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Original post made by aaron, Highland Oaks, on Mar 3, 2008

Doesn't anyone else see this as a bad idea? at the owens location, not too many homes or businesses. but along stoneridge, many neighborhoods. which have always been quiet, and for the most part crime free!!! This is definately a bad decision, and am wondering if something can be done to halt it before it comes. I mean weren't they supposed to go out to livermore then to tracy like 10 years ago. or is it ok for alameda county to pay taxes on nothing. wasn't there also an extension to san jose comming soon? either way i don't want bart in my neighborhood. look at all the neighborhoods along barts path. all are crime riden and pretty trashy. look out the parking lot and see crime, poverty, and filth. is that what people want surrounding the mall, and the surrounding neighborhood. not what i want or my neighbors, that's for sure. I don't see the mall having that much of a problem, with business. they seem pretty busy to me. and if so, why not try putting better stores, instead of worsening the area. About 20 years ago there was a homeless problem in that neighborhood, and the parks. do we need this again? I don't think so. it may not happen immediately, but with time it will happen.

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Posted by Bart Or Gas
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 3, 2008 at 2:38 pm

Aaron;

You probably don't want to pay $3.70 a gallon for gas either, right? That's what the price currently is at the Shell on the corner of West Las Positas and Hopyard.

We need to either bite the bullet and accept higher gas prices because we choose to keep the demand high by refusing to get out of our cars, or look at alternate means of transportation. BART is one of those.

For what it's worth -- people cried the same story years ago in San Mateo County. Now they would like to have an alternative and there are few available to them.


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Posted by aaron
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Mar 3, 2008 at 2:48 pm

hopyard isn't far from anywhere in pleasanton. one station for a town of 50k people is plenty. bart is in pleasnton already. noneed for expansion. look at all the roberies and burglarized vehicle at bart. it's gong to make the mall much more of a target, + the adjoining neighborhoods. i don't care if bart is hear, but it shouldn't be attached to a residential area. wheels goes all around town. and owens is within reason to everyone. i see another pleasanton neighborhood next to you BART OR GAS name. would you want it put up adjacent to your neighborhood. muirwood is 700k plus houses. above muirwood we're lookiing at 2,3 million dollar houses. let's make it that easy. public tansit is good. but you can't put a place known for crime, next to a residential neighborhood who has no crime. that's not right, and will make alot of people not like the place they've enjoyed for 20,30 yrs


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Posted by Bart Or Gas
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 3, 2008 at 5:06 pm

Hate to tell you, but my neighborhood is selling in excess of $850k -- so your point was?

I like the Highland Oaks neighborhood alot. Ditto Muirwood. But you can't tell me you have no crime there. At the very least, you have plenty of teens driving drunk and killing friends. Last time I checked, that was a crime.

People can choose one con for another. You either have high gas prices, or reduce the demand through public transportation. If you think the instant gratification population that now resides in Pleasanton (that wasn't here 20/30 years ago) will use Wheels to get to Bart, then more power to you. This town feels more "self-entitled" than that.


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Posted by frank
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Mar 3, 2008 at 6:51 pm

This original post must be some kind of joke. The West Dublin Bart decision was made and it's funding identified about 15 years or so ago when the Pleasanton Bart station was approved for building. This was a regional decision that involved not just Pleasanton but Dublin, too, as well as other regional transportation planning agencies. Does this quote perhaps rank as an ultimate NIMBY statement:

" either way i don't want bart in my neighborhood. look at all the neighborhoods along barts path. all are crime riden and pretty trashy. look out the parking lot and see crime, poverty, and filth."

as well as:

"am wondering if something can be done to halt it"

So, I ask, does the Pleasanton Bart station and its neighborhood fit the above description? After all, this station has been in service since 1997!!! Has the poster ever taken Bart from Pleasanton? Fascinating what's being written in these threads (I still think this one is a joke and the poster is pulling out collective leg - to not know about the Dublin West Station and be oblivious to the transportation needs of a larger regional population that supported decisions that are at least 15 years old???).......


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Posted by PToWN94566
a resident of Walnut Grove Elementary School
on Mar 3, 2008 at 10:12 pm

That sounds like the exact same complaint when Bart was first built here in Pleasanton. It's not going to bring anymore crime than we already have, with the exsisting Bart station. People get so scared about "people from over the hill" coming here and breaking into one's home. If someone is that set on breaking and entering, I highly doubt they would rely on just Bart. I think it's a great idea and it might even boost sales at the mall or other parts of the town- people from other towns might be more willing to explore our little city. Maybe all those empty stores by TGI Friday's will open for some reason. As for the homeless and it looking trashy- that won't happen. The Castro Valley Bart station as well as Walnut Creek, Pleasant Hill stations don't look dumpy or trashy. I think the stations that have run downed areas is more something that a specific city needs to look into, not the Bart peoples.

Personally I think people in the tri valley need to realize there is a growth of population among us. People are starting to like the suburbs more and want to visit it or move there. Being so close to major cities, Pleasanton can't stay as "bubbled" as it has been in the past. It can remain a safe and beautiful town as long as the citizens and everyone else here does their part. Anyway, I'm glad it's going in. Now, my question is, are people going to eventually complain again when Bart does decide to go to Livermore or Tracy? Is crime going to just come from that side of the hills then?


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Posted by Public Transport Lover
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Mar 3, 2008 at 10:38 pm

Actually, people, please stay in your cars and keep subsidizing public transport for the greater good. Like how drivers in San Francisco subsidize the bus system through higher parking permit prices. I love using public transit and not having to deal with idiots on the road. If you don't like it, then stay off public transit! You non-users keep asking me which side the train that goes to San Francisco is on! At an end station, now come on.


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Posted by aaron
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Mar 4, 2008 at 11:40 am

walnut creek bart is ok. castro valley not so much. i've taken bart for yrs. around owens and hacienda crime has gone up. lots of car theft, same with that uhaul there. alot of truck have been stolen with videos linking the people to riding bart. then stealing a 26' truck and filling it with people houses, stores, ect.
i will say again I AM NOT AGAINST BART!, but there is no need for a second station. Pleasanton is too small for multiple stations. what is the point. the owens station would be what a mile and a half away! wow too far for everyone here.
as for bart or gas, 2 yrs ago my house was worth $950k bud, now about 8-850k, just stating median home prices in muirwood. so good for you, i'm stating a fact that, people pay lots of money to live there. some might want bart there, but for the people that have lived in that neighborhood for many years. like it because it is quiet. I don't really want to see bums, in the creeks and parks surrounding my neighborhood. but that's my opinion. what i see as a joke is peoples rudeness, and overopinionated actions. the fact is i've propbably been here longer than anyone on this posting. lived alot more than 15 yrs. i've lived in pleasanton for 25yrs. the livermore expansion was supposed to break ground 8 yrs ago, and i am for that. but 1 station per small town is all that is needed. the owens staion is very close to everyone in town. pleasanton is not that big. try bringing in good businesses.
do people also want to surround the bart stations with thousands of aprtments surrounding bart like dublin? no point, if revenue is all your after, we have a differnece of opinion, which is fine and is why I do value this site. i was thinking about it this morning, how even though you may not agree with me some people probably do, and it is good for those against me to hear my concerns as well as when i hear yours, take it into consideration, and respect their choices. if people want to turn pleasanton into another city, try that one. Pleasanton bart does have alot of crime frank, just cause you don't hear about it doesn't mean it's not there. lots of car theft. but most cases are handled by bart police, not pleasanton police. but i guess people like doing insurance claims.
No reason to argue much about this, but i just wanted to voice my concern for my neighborhood, i've been part of since 1983. i agree most people won't be effected, but to highland oaks, muirwood, south muirwood, springdale, the preserve, moller ranch, and all the condos and stoneridge apartments. which seems to be alot of neighborhoods will be affected. some people love it some people hate it. just like everything else today. there is no way to get 100% consensious anywhere. either way. i stick with my opinion of being against the stoneridge expansion of bart.


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Posted by Bart or Gas
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 4, 2008 at 11:55 am

Quote from aaron: as for bart or gas, 2 yrs ago my house was worth $950k bud, now about 8-850k, just stating median home prices in muirwood. so good for you, i'm stating a fact that, people pay lots of money to live there. some might want bart there, but for the people that have lived in that neighborhood for many years. like it because it is quiet. I don't really want to see bums, in the creeks and parks surrounding my neighborhood. but that's my opinion. what i see as a joke is peoples rudeness, and overopinionated actions. the fact is i've propbably been here longer than anyone on this posting. lived alot more than 15 yrs. i've lived in pleasanton for 25yrs. the livermore expansion was supposed to break ground 8 yrs ago, and i am for that. but 1 station per small town is all that is needed. the owens staion is very close to everyone in town. pleasanton is not that big. try bringing in good businesses.

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I hate to tell you this, but the noise you are now living with as a result of being between Foothill Road, 680, and 580 is far more impacting than BART will ever be. And if people stay in their cars, it will only get worse.

You do have me beat relative to tenure in town. I moved out here 18 years ago. But the town is changing. Moller Ranch has likely impacted your quality of life FAR more than Bart ever will. Yet you seem okay with that. Go figure.


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Posted by aaron
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Mar 4, 2008 at 12:09 pm

as for noise buddy, there is no noise. i hear nothing from 580 or 680. it's not the bart noise i'm talking about, though it will increase, but that will be far enough to mask itself with other noises, it's the people that will come. socialogical change is innevitable. but i still believe it is a bad location.
the moller ranch and preserve wasn't too bad accept all the deers hit by forcing them out of their habitat. simply because those people living there are residents, and are respectful to their neighbors and surroundings. i didn't like the orchard across from foothill being developed. but thats not so bad either. i think you are just angry at something bart or gas. go take it out at the gym or something.


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Posted by Bart or Gas
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 4, 2008 at 12:25 pm

I'm not angry at all. I just find your ability to talk out of both sides of your face absolutely amazing.


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Posted by aaron
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Mar 4, 2008 at 2:30 pm

OK............. WHEN YOU COME OUTSIDE AND YOUR CAR IS GONE, I HOPE YOU FEEL THE SAME WAY


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Posted by Bart or Gas
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 4, 2008 at 2:56 pm

I've had my car stolen before aaron. It's only metal and insured to boot. I think you're being an alarmist. If you're really that scared of BART, perhaps you should move to the backwoods of Montana.


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Posted by Beth
a resident of Del Prado
on Mar 4, 2008 at 3:23 pm

In answer to your original question:

No, there is no way to halt it.


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Posted by aaron
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Mar 4, 2008 at 3:44 pm

if you work in sf bart or gas why not live there? don't spit on me for your views. mine are mine your are yours. i guess your modo is get out if you don't like my views, well i could say the same to you, and many other from the area feel the same way.

thanks beth, you are the only one to answer a question, in stead of trying to argue a point. and throw insults of get out if you don't like it.

but i guess some people just like to fight. keep up the good work bart or gas, you are truelly a special person with your views. like i said it's not bart it's the amount of stations and their location. so i guess since i'm so scared of bart would youlike to hold my hand as i get on the train?lol. no fears, simply reality. i don't use scare tactics, just realistic variables, and opinions. enjoy your day.


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Posted by Bart or Gas
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 4, 2008 at 4:11 pm

Quote from aaron: if you work in sf bart or gas why not live there?
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I don't work in San Francisco. I work in Bishop Ranch. As for scare tactics, you're the one indicating people will have cars stolen thanks to an additional BART station. I've had my car stolen and it was no where near a BART station.

You are certainly free to be unhappy with the 2nd Coming of BART. *LOL* But don't put theft fear in the minds of those who may ignorantly believe you and think that will be the case/outcome.

You enjoy your day too! It's beautiful outside. Maybe we should go watch Hosterman's Bird Of Prey carry off someone's pet.


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Posted by aaron
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Mar 4, 2008 at 4:13 pm

this posting was a ways back on here.

Woman robbed leaving BART station
Crimes & Incidents, posted by Editor, Pleasanton Weekly Online, on Jan 14, 2008 at 12:06 pm

A 55-year-old woman was robbed after leaving the Pleasanton BART station Thursday night, according to police. A man allegedly approached her from behind, threatened her and grabbed her purse before escaping by car.

i'd want this in my neighborhood wouldn't you? lots of people that age in muirwood.



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Posted by Bart or Gas
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 4, 2008 at 4:21 pm

The article you cite was posted Friday, January 11, 2008 @ 4:10 PM. Many read it.

How about the one discussed at this Web Link? Birch Creek Drive, Vine Street and Vineyard Avenue are no where near BART.

And then there was the skateboard beating that took place at the Safeway on Santa Rita. The article can be found at this Web Link. Crime is here in Pleasanton and it comes from sources other than BART.

Unfortunately, many refuse to believe it and would like to blame all that is bad in town on the first, and now second, coming of BART.

*LMAO*


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Posted by aaron
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Mar 4, 2008 at 6:25 pm

like i said bart or gas, you just like to argue here. good job. there always will be minor crimes. but that's part of life. if you work in bishop ranch why does this even affect you?

if you want to live by bart, go to hayward save 300k on your house and whatever else on gas. which you seem full of.
what about the stabbibng at orloft park or the ones at the sports park......irrelevent. like every rebutle you have. i just don't get how you think that crime robberies and theft won't increase. but that's ok.
no more gas for me.


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Posted by matt
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Mar 4, 2008 at 6:30 pm

hi guys,
i'm from highland oaks/ muirwood area, and i know myself and my family like having bart in town for a's games, giants games, ect. but i have to agree with aaron. no need for a second station. is owens really that crowded? not when i've gone there. oakland is crowded. sf is crowded, richmond is crowded. pleasanton/dublin not so much. And from talking with my neighbors as the timeframe gets closer people aren't happy. but hey people like having trailer parks next to them right? and foot traffic by non- residents? not so much. if there was a way to stop it, i would help.


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Posted by matt
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Mar 4, 2008 at 6:32 pm

bart or gas, did you enjoy your car getting stolen? and aren't you glad no-one with a gun or knife strong armed you for it? or possibly injured? maybe not. maybe next time that will be the case. cause that type of behavior is ok.


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Posted by frank
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Mar 4, 2008 at 9:07 pm

I beat you "bud", I've lived here 29 years. So, if you've lived here 25 years, why were you previously oblivious to the West Dublin Bart station (as evidenced by your post - these are your words- no recognition in that post that you were here at the time when it all happened) which was approved 15 years ago? And now want to stop it despite all of the information about that you should have already known? I knew it was coming because I was here at the time and was paying attention......


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Posted by bart rider
a resident of Vineyard Avenue
on Mar 4, 2008 at 11:42 pm

"is owens really that crowded? not when i've gone there. oakland is crowded. sf is crowded, richmond is crowded. pleasanton/dublin not so much"
it's obvious that you do not take BART weekdays 7:29am.
"but hey people like having trailer parks next to them right? and foot traffic by non- residents? not so much."
is there something wrong with trailer parks? that's where all the grandparents live if they want to stay in CA. LOL. those statements are elitist and close-minded.


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Posted by Bart or Gas
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 5, 2008 at 5:06 am

quote from aaron: like i said bart or gas, you just like to argue here. good job. there always will be minor crimes. but that's part of life. if you work in bishop ranch why does this even affect you?
if you want to live by bart, go to hayward save 300k on your house and whatever else on gas. which you seem full of.

what about the stabbibng at orloft park or the ones at the sports park......irrelevent. like every rebutle you have. i just don't get how you think that crime robberies and theft won't increase. but that's ok.

no more gas for me.
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I don't see any of the things I posted as crimes as being minor. Any crime is significant, even the crime Pleasanton has that gets hidden because it might affect our image. As for working at Bishop Ranch and this not affecting me -- last time I checked the air quality in the valley and the increasing number of spare the air days affects EVERYONE. Every car we can have NOT making a commute helps all our local valley residents. But that doesn't matter to you, does it?

BTW, try spell checking your posts before you hit submit. They tend to lose their effectiveness in "rebutle" -- especially when one is "stabbibng" at air.

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Quote from matt: bart or gas, did you enjoy your car getting stolen? and aren't you glad no-one with a gun or knife strong armed you for it? or possibly injured? maybe not. maybe next time that will be the case. cause that type of behavior is ok.
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Matt -- having my car stolen was no big shakes. It's just transportation that is insured and can be replaced. It was parked, locked, and alarmed and still gone when I returned to it. Yes, I was fortunate to have not been in the car, but trust me -- anyone strong arms me for any reason, they stand to have a BIG surprise awaiting them. I tend to not put myself in the position of being a victim. No, the behavior is not okay -- but one can chose to look to others for the solution or become part of the solution. I prefer to be part of the solution.

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Frank and Bart Rider -- Awesome responses. This is not new news, yet the ostriches crying foul appear to have just pulled their heads out of the sand and come up for air.

For What It's Worth, I use Bart to go to events in Oakland and San Francisco. I also use it when called for jury duty as it seems I never get assigned at Stoneridge. I'd much rather use that mode of transportation than drive and other than on weekends, you have to be at the station before 7:15 to park. What SOME tend to forget is a lot of folks from Tracy and further out drive in as far as the end of the line. Not just those fortunate enough to be able to afford Pleasanton use the stations.


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Posted by Chris
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Mar 5, 2008 at 2:27 pm

Wait, where the heck is Cholo??? No rebuttle from Cholo??!!!


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Posted by Rich
a resident of Stoneridge
on Mar 5, 2008 at 4:27 pm

I moved here just a few years ago. I love it. have a nice condo near 580/680. right off stoneridge and springdale. one of the selling points then was near bart. which it is. i'm pretty impartial on the issue, but i wasn't aware initally that they were putting it so close. which might be nice, but i would have moved a little further away if known prior. that's alot more vehicles and foot traffic. which is pretty conjested already. so is this on the pleasanton side, or dublin side? i see a few people saying west dublin. i though thats what the dougherty/ dublin blvd side was?


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Posted by Mary
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Mar 6, 2008 at 4:02 pm

I'm not a fan, but nothing can be done now. bart is nice to have around. i go to school in sf, i love it. owens is definately close enough though.


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Posted by Linda
a resident of Rosewood
on Mar 6, 2008 at 6:33 pm

I have lived in the Tri-Valley for 20 years. My one concern is the traffic the new BART station will bring to Stoneridge Mall Road. I happen to work in the Ericson Building across the street from Nordstroms parking lot, during the holidays it is a zoo. Can you imagine what the new Parking Garage and all the cars parking in it will do especially during Christmas? We have to leave early or we can not get out of our business parking lots.


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Posted by Robert
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Mar 9, 2008 at 7:51 pm

Why a 2nd Bart Station? Who does it serve? Shoppers at the Mall? The Owens Bart with the new Parking Garage serves the area just fine. If there is full train leaving the Owens station how are passengers going to get on the West Dublin train? Money should have been spent on a Livermore Bart Station, not a 2nd Pleasanton station.


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Posted by amber
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Mar 9, 2008 at 9:36 pm

"If there is full train leaving the Owens station how are passengers going to get on the West Dublin train?" --ummm, the same way they get on when a full train arrives in Castro Valley, or San Leandro, or or or...


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Posted by stephen
a resident of Birdland
on Mar 10, 2008 at 10:41 am

It is a waste, i'd rather board owens, and take a 5-10 min train to livermore, than wait on a stoneridge station which is only a mile from the owens, going the same places. if expansion is happening right now, why not put it where it's needed, not a needless 2nd.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Mar 10, 2008 at 11:05 am

I think it is somewhat of a waste too. BART this far out from an urban center is used more as long-distance regional transport, not like a local train with short-distance stops. A Livermore station would provide more value, as would building BART out to Tracy (maybe BART could even loop around from Tracy to Pittsburg).


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Posted by Aaron
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Mar 10, 2008 at 12:41 pm

tracy to pitsburg would be perfect. it would connect the rest of the bay. instead of city, traveling, which could probably be reached faster on bike then going thru line, buying a ticket and waiting 15 minutes for the train. it should connect the bay, not a stimulate attempt on stoneridge. we pay taxes on bart developemet, why not use our money wisely, not wastefully.


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Posted by Jerry
a resident of Oak Hill
on Mar 10, 2008 at 6:00 pm

IMO, Livermore officials should have been in a courtroom long ago. They've been shafted much to long.


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Posted by Bart or Gas
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 10, 2008 at 6:37 pm

Read this Web Link. Then you will understand why another station is planned.

Thank you Dublin. Your growth has impacted the Tri-Valley beyond belief.


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Posted by Ben
a resident of Ironwood
on Mar 11, 2008 at 4:14 pm

I am not a fan of the bart addition. or of dublin for that matter. i definately wouldn't want pleasanton developing the way dublin does. and the extension shouldn't happen on pleasanton side, i am uncertain of which side it will be on. but if around highland oaks, springdale, muirwood area i think it's a bad idea.


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Posted by John
a resident of Birdland
on Mar 11, 2008 at 4:17 pm

Livermore should have gone to court when bart decided they would go to san jose first, after alameda county is still paying expansion taxes to go out to livemore.

bart is ok for getting to other cities, but i agree with the poster, there is no need for a 2nd bart station in pleasanton, 1 is enough!!!!


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Posted by frank
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Mar 11, 2008 at 5:57 pm

Access to the West Dublin station is from both sides, Dublin and Pleasanton. Construction on both sides is well underway. For more information about this station go to Web Link

There you will find important details such as costs and the housing and hotel on the Dublin side. Both sides will have parking garages.

Again, when the Dublin/Pleasanton station was built a decade ago the West station foundation was laid and subsequently funding for it was developed. Now it is being built. Back in 2005 there was talk that construction would perhaps start in 2006. Go see Web Link




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Posted by frank
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Mar 11, 2008 at 6:40 pm

So, here is a planning description of the Bart West Dublin station. At a minimum you should get the idea that this thing has been long in coming......

WEST DUBLIN / PLEASANTON
DEVELOPMENT In November 1999, the BART Board of Directors approved a public/private venture between BART and Orix Real Estate Equities, Inc. and Jones Lang LaSalle to leverage private development on BART land to build the West Dublin/Pleasanton Station. The $100 million project is to consist of:
• A new West Dublin/Pleasanton BART Station with parking,
• A bus intermodal facility and pedestrian bridges to connect the station in the media of the freeway to BART property on either side of the freeway, and
• Private development consisting of residential units and a hotel in Dublin, and an office building in Pleasanton.
Funding the public improvements, currently estimated to cost $53 million, will involve the creation of a Joint Powers Authority between ABAG and BART which would issue bonds for construction of the station and ancillary facilities, including the BART parking garages. Repayment of the bonds would be through a combination of private funds from long-term lease of BART's property, contributions from the Cities of Dublin and Pleasanton of tax revenues generated by the private development on BART land, and BART revenues generated by the station. The bond funding for the project is also being supplemented by grant funding from the Alameda County Congestion Management Agency (ACCMA) and the Tri-Valley Transportation Council (TVTC).
In April 2001, the BART Board of Directors certified the Supplemental Environmental Impact Report (SEIS) and adopted the overall public/private development project. BART secured pre-development funds from the ACCMA to prepare the SEIS. A Letter of Intent has been executed with Orix/JLL for all private development at the proposed station. The Master Development Agreement has also been executed between BART and Orix/JLL for the overall project. BART and Orix/JLL have selected Walsh Pacific as the design/build contractor for the station and pedestrian bridges. All parties are now conducting the design effort to identify a Guaranteed Maximum Price (GMP) for the public improvements " a step necessary to identify the size of the bond issuance. In October 2003, the Tri-Valley Transportation Council authorized a $4 million grant to BART in order to, in part, conduct the design effort to identify the GMP. In January 2004, the Alameda County CMA programmed an additional $6.9 million to the project for construction of the public improvements.
Given the current real estate market, one of the critical issues being addressed by BART and Orix/JLL is the ability of the private development to service the debt from the bonds to be issued. The current schedule calls for BART Board consideration of the debt structure during 2004, with bonds being issued after Board consideration, and station construction beginning in 2005. Completion of construction of the public improvements is scheduled for late 2007. Final approvals from the Cities of Dublin and Pleasanton are pending on the tax sharing approach. Although an MOU has been executed, both cities will need to vote on the specific lease mechanism being proposed to secure the tax revenues.


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Posted by Lily
a resident of Kottinger Ranch
on Mar 12, 2008 at 10:29 am

....very interesting discussions taking place!

just some information for the minds... BART has been known to increase the property values in areas around stations...but beauty is in the eye of the beholder...

i think the idea of the second station was for a couple of reasons... 680 interchange... DUH... more people can get off of the freeway detour to the new station and hop on BART the rest of the way to work... (SINCE WE ALL KNOW HOW BAD 238 IS) ... second... dublin wants more sales tax being spent in its city... more shoppers = more income, same for ptown. and of course the absolute NEED for more parking at the old station, the new parking structure will help but im sure it won't be enough for the coming gas prices. PLUS this won't be a full service type station so they say.

understandable that it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to build another dublin/ptown station before Livermore or Tracy. but FYI BART owns several acres in Livermore, specifically the land behind the truck scales, so its just a matter of when. Unfortunately just like you folks upset with BART so are those homeowners off of Vasco Rd, which could be the speed bump that BART is dealing with in regards to the future Livermore station, if you don't know how difficult those folks are being ask them how they feel about the new Toyota dealership set to be erected there in the near future.

Although i can see both sides of the fence on the topic of a new station... i tend to lean on the side of "let's put one in and encourage less drivers on the road"


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Posted by Bart
a resident of Canyon Creek
on Mar 12, 2008 at 12:45 pm

Yes my name is Bart, I'm not a bart advocate. I live just beyond foothill, on dublin canyon rd. 580/680 is jacked up still, for as long as I can remember. more traffic there is going to be horrendous. i do enjoy bart for certain things. it is a great service to have. but still a bad idea. the parking at owens is bad but instead of building 100k's of apartment homes the could have used that land more constructively, i understand, dublin wanted more revenue, but if bart owned that land they should have taken care of their needs. not revenue. though i'm sure the sale of those aptmnts. paid alot of those bonds. but i'm not a fan i work in tracy and bart does me no good. once it goes out there it might help, but if they were suppoesed to be done in 2007 why haven't they. the bridge melted down last year was replaced in what a month. for alot less money. it doesn't take as much as these people say. people just like making there pockets bigger.


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Posted by Jeff
a resident of Stoneridge Park
on Mar 12, 2008 at 3:36 pm

Aaron, your crime example of "Woman robbed walking from BART" is a bad example of how Bad People would use BART to come here and rob people. The suspects in that case were in a car. She just happened to be walking down the street at night in the business park where most of everything is closed and there happened to be no one around.

As for the new station dragging everything down in the area economically, the coming station, accompanying development and additional parking helped the new owners of Stoneridge Mall decide to pursue additional expansion opportunities with more higher end stores, another higher end anchor store, additional upscale restaurants, and more parking. This is over and above what the original ownership group submitted to the City and received approval for.


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Posted by Aaron
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Mar 13, 2008 at 9:58 am

jeff- some will come here via bart. the uhaul example is perfect. the lady that got robbed, well it an easier to hit a target if you are at the range. people go to locations they know there is vacant cars. or single people walking around. it is a target for them, it's simply a matter of wether they want to shoot! I'm for stoneridge expansion, but they can pay for it themselves, there hasn't been a real upgrade/ expansion aside from the 2 restraunts. is it that hard to bring business there? doubtfully. seems like to commenter Bart is right, everyone wants the pockets bigger, not making things better. it shouldn't cost a dime to bring businesses here. it shouldn't cost us for 15-40 years to get the alameda county area of bart connected. and why waste that much money to add another station. livermore should be completed first. then devlope stoneridge. and possibly find contractors like the state did for the bridge. fast and cheap. + i don't see it having daily issues.


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Posted by Mel
a resident of Livermore
on Mar 14, 2008 at 8:59 am

Thing about BART it's a really nasty system compared to other trains in the country. Wheels is not much better.


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Posted by Patricia
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Mar 14, 2008 at 2:36 pm

I remember when BART first came to Pleasanton, people were freaking out that we were going to have all this crime and homeless people everywhere, camping in our parks and begging on Main Street. I have not seen major increases in crime and most of the begging I see is for signatures to petitions outside Safeway.

WAY BACK when this was originally approved, I supported BART building the Owens St. station, then continuing on to Livermore, which has paid for the system for years and eventually to Tracy. Going out that way would certainly go a long way toward relieving traffic on 580 and possibly even the number of cars on the Stanley-Valley-Santa Rita route. But most Pleasanton residents were too busy screaming that they didn't want BART in their back yard to think about regional traffic issues and how BART could best be used to address them for residents of the entire Tri-Valley and beyond.

So the fight to extend BART from Pleasanton to Livermore and Tracy was lost. Now, so many people come in from Livermore, Tracy and beyond AND so many Pleasanton folks have realized how much easier it is to take BART into the city and to the airport than to fight traffic and find/pay for parking, no one can find a parking spot at the Owens St. Station. And traffic on Pleasanton streets reflects that, as all those people get off BART in the evening and drive home.

So it's a little late to wake up and say "OMG! They're building a BART station at Stoneridge? Can we stop it?" Because the answer is no. You missed out on the chance to get involved and share your views back then. And we all missed out on a chance to create a truly regional solution to the traffic, parking and pollution problems that plague us and ALL our neighbors.


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Posted by Tim
a resident of Birdland
on Mar 15, 2008 at 3:59 pm

I live in Pleasanton and take BART every weekday. Crime already occurs in areas of high density (Stoneridge Mall, current BART lot, etc.) so the new station probably will bring a little more crime. Sadly, almost all growth generates incremental crime.

However, the reason I am against the new station is that it will do nothing to reduce traffic. Run line extensions to Livermore and Brentwood before building more stations on existing track. Traffic is only getting worse and we need to get more cars off of Pleasanton, and all Bay Area, freeways.


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Posted by aaron
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Mar 17, 2008 at 11:23 am

tim agreed. it's going to happen. but lets do it right, livermore 1st. tracy brentwood. parts that are the worste for traffic. 1more mile of driving to ownes isn't going to disrupt anyone very much.


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Posted by aaron
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Mar 18, 2008 at 12:51 pm

bart or gas you are a fool, trying to post comments on other postings, is that hoping no-one will see it. you are pitiful, going on the double homicide page trying to make light of it. go to hell!!!


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Posted by Bart or Gas
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 18, 2008 at 12:58 pm

Aaron -- I notice you didn't respond tho. Was the double homicide also a product of Bart coming to Pleasanton? Will those types of crimes increase as a result?


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Posted by aaron
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Mar 18, 2008 at 4:31 pm

bart or gas it has nothing to do with that, try being a little respectfull of those involved in the tragety. it has nothing to do with it, you are a idiot though,. trying to make a point off of a event like that. And they could, crime isn't the only issue with bart. you are a antagonist. worthless in society. car more about smog than murder. the crime is unrelated and the fact you try to is foolish. you aren't worth the time. i saw matthew call you out on the other page no response for that. like i said your views are your own, mine are mine. we don't agree. judging by your civility on the castlewood post, i'm glad, and know we couldn't. you are a self riteous, moron!


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Posted by Bart or Gas
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 18, 2008 at 4:56 pm

aaron -- Call me what you like. Wading through your poor spelling and grammar slop makes the impact you are trying to make comical.

Keep it up, buddy.


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Posted by Matthew
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Mar 18, 2008 at 5:06 pm

bart or gas the biggest smuck out here. try heading proper people skills. and you know what bart only needs 1 station here. you can wait in line. don't waste my time, money, neighborhood, and traffic conjestion. what clears one area will have an impact on another,what eases some stresses others. you look at yours but not at mine. and wonder why you are at as a fool.


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Posted by frank
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Mar 18, 2008 at 9:02 pm

Hey, editor.

Time to shut down this thread. aaron has degenerated his posts down to name-calling and has been followed by Matthew. When the posters are not capable of keeping the discussion civil and relevant, you must do what you must do.

I'm sure I will be attacked next for posting this as well as anything else I ever posted.


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Posted by Bart or Gas
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 19, 2008 at 5:14 am

Frank;

Great post! Well written!

BTW, do you see a common thread in style, spelling and punctuation between aaron and Matthew? I do. I suspect they are two peas in the same pod.


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Posted by aaron
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Mar 19, 2008 at 1:02 pm

frank, i don't recall anything on you. bart or gas you attack on another page this page and try to flip i get it you are for bart congrats. it is coming here, but at what cost, tons of tax dollars that could have been used better. and i don't know this matthew, but maybe not everyone hits a spell check. sorry. but it seems any posting i do bart or gas has a target for, he/she even tries to lure into another page, and very disrespectful, to the fact of a terrible thing had just happend.


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Posted by leo
a resident of Amador Estates
on Mar 20, 2008 at 11:07 am

1 is enough, no 2nd needed.


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Posted by carla
a resident of Happy Valley
on Mar 20, 2008 at 12:21 pm

A 2nd BART station in Pleasanton instead of expansion to Livermore does seem ridiculous but the original posting here is the most absurd case of NIMBYism I have ever seen.

And nobody cares if your house costs 750k. What, only people who pay 500k? 300k? 100k? should live near public transportation? And get over yourself, at 750k you're living in a fairly cheap house in Pleasanton.


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Posted by PleasantonNative
a resident of Valley Trails
on Mar 20, 2008 at 5:15 pm

The Owens Station isn't near anything worth walking to. A Stoneridge Station makes a whole lot of sense. It's too bad it doesn't go into downtown.


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Posted by PleasantonNative
a resident of Valley Trails
on Mar 20, 2008 at 5:24 pm

Regarding crime, Pleasanton's always had crime. You have an unsolved murder since 1984, and have dealt with several more since.

Drug dealers used to hang out in the parks. I'm sure they're still there. Following some of the logic from above, they must have taken the bus into town or something, because everyone knows that criminals don't drive. I mean, duuuuuuh.

It's common knowledge that gang bangers park their rides in BART stations, and then take BART to engage in gang warfare. Move to Oakley, where it's safe!

No, but seriously, I'm guessing that none of you were ever teenagers in Pleasanton, before there was BART. I'm telling you, it's not the safest town in the world. The kids aren't telling you the whole story, probably because they don't want to burst your bubble. If you don't want BART near Stoneridge, because you're worried about CRIME, you are so living in denial!


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Posted by aaron
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Mar 21, 2008 at 1:15 pm

my house is 950k but the median house price right now in the declined market of alemeda county is 750k. so sorry your house is more expensive. mine is fine. last time i checked 950k is alot to most california. but hey. sorry i know happy valley is more woodsy and pricey. nice neighblrhood. but it's the same nonsense everyone else is say. the origonal posting was a topic starter but everyone says the same resonse.
I don't want bart in my neighborhood, for multiple reasons, it is a waste, send it to livermore, those who think traffic around stonerdige is nice, you are mistaken, it can be a zoo. crime will increase, it's statistics. foot traffic in muirwood/ foothill. homeless- you don't think they'll take bart. are you kidding me, have you ever been on there, i've seen multiple get off in ptown. for those who don't see it as affecting you because you're across town great. you are across town, it's a far walk, to get to my house from stoneridge mall would take about 10 minutes. that very close. but hey i know bart is good green california yea!!! but my original point, no need for 2 stations here. it is wastefull. but that's fine i do use bart myself. public transportation is important. and yes pleasanton hasn't always been crime free, oh wait for the most part it has. i've seen it for almost 26years now. in those 26 years, not much crime has been here. and it's appreciated.


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Posted by Been There
a resident of Birdland
on Mar 21, 2008 at 4:37 pm

The placement of the second BART station in Pleasanton was court-ord ered, years ago. This station is a result of a lawsuit. Every public official throughout the Tri-Valley is focused on getting BART to Livermore. However, this station, again, was the result of a lawsuit several years ago. If you want more information, call your BART Director. He/she will tell you all about it.


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Posted by Sheryl Ehrlich
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Mar 22, 2008 at 1:23 pm

My comment is this, I grew up in P-Town. We moved there from Dublin in 1968. I graduated from Amador High in 1975. I remember our town before Bart or anything else came in. We had crime then just like there is now. Crime is everywhere. You know what's a crime my parents paid for Bart for years and years and neither one of them lived long enough to see Bart come to Pleasanton. I love Pleasanton and my family still owns my parents house. So give me a break.

I live in Oregon now for about 21 years. I miss P-Town everyday.


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Posted by aaron
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Mar 24, 2008 at 1:58 pm

that is obsurd. what is this obama propoganda or something.jk.lol. all these white folks. come on now, pleasanton isn't a racist town. is this saturday night live on here. twombly of foothill, at 301am you must have been drunk.


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Posted by fact finder
a resident of Stoneridge
on Apr 2, 2008 at 9:45 pm

The transportation of choice for this murder was Bart. This women only lived one mile away from Bart!! Fact!


90-Year-Old's Accused Killer Fights Extradition
LAFAYETTE (AP) A Missouri man being held on suspicion of the sexual assault and murder of an elderly Lafayette woman is fighting extradition back to California.

Richard Craig McNew is being held in a jail outside of St. Louis in connection with the attack last month on 90-year-old Anna Elizabeth Vuori.

Investigators identified the 30-year-old McNew as a suspect after DNA evidence collected from the scene found a match in a national database.

He was tracked to the St. Louis area where he was being held on unrelated charges.
McNew worked for a Missouri-based company that sent teams of sales reps throughout the country to sell magazine subscriptions.

Neighbors told investigators that a number of door-to-door salesman had been seen in the area before Vuori was found dead in her home.

An extradition hearing is scheduled for Feb. 2.

( 2006 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.)


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Posted by factfinder
a resident of Stoneridge
on Apr 2, 2008 at 10:01 pm

The Transportation of choice for these murders was bart!! Victim lived only 1 mile from Bart!!! FACT!


Slaying Suspects On Drugs, Cops Say
Lafayette victim called random
Charlie Goodyear, Bernadette Tansey, Stacy Finz, Chronicle Staff Writers

Wednesday, June 10, 1998

Janet Daher's suspected attackers were high on rock cocaine and prepared for violence when they boarded a BART train in San Francisco, got off in Lafayette and found the perfect target -- an open garage door.

``They didn't care how many people were in there,'' said Contra Costa Sheriff's Lieutenant George Lawrence at a press conference yesterday to announce the arrest of three suspects. ``They came armed. They wore gloves. We believe they were on drugs.''

Lawrence identified Joseph Andrew Perez Jr., 26, as the ``main player'' in the March 24 stabbing and

strangulation of Daher. Perez was arrested early Sunday at his family's Millbrae home and is being held without bail at the County Jail in Martinez on suspicion of murder, robbery, burglary and grand theft.

But in a jailhouse interview, Perez denied having anything to do with Daher's killing.

``I'm not going to say I'm an innocent person, but I'm innocent on this,'' he said.

Perez's criminal record dates back to when he was 12 years old. He pleaded guilty to car theft in 1992, was sentenced to prison for robbery in 1993 and escaped six months later. He was rearrested in San Francisco for assault in 1994 and was sentenced to an additional two years in state prison for being a felon in possession of a firearm.

He also faced charges of escaping from a Ukiah camp run by the Department of Corrections.

Perez had been paroled about a month before Daher was killed.

``This gentleman has had more than his share of breaks by the courts and has been unable to handle any of them,'' said Ed Elmer, a deputy regional parole administrator.

Also under suspicion are a 17- year-old San Francisco juvenile and a 18-year-old Fairfield man, whom police would not identify but who has reportedly been cooperating in the investigation. Both are in custody at unidentified jails outside Contra Costa County.

And investigators may arrest a fourth person as an accessory. Perez's father said one of his son's friends, who lives in San Francisco, was picked up by police for questioning yesterday.

Police have also recovered three folding knives believed to have been used in the stabbing.

On Friday night, the Fairfield suspect led police to one knife discarded in a field that investigators had previously searched near a Cordelia roofing business where Daher's Mercedes all-terrain vehicle had been abandoned the day of the slaying. Two others were taken from the suspect Friday.

Several days after Daher was killed, the Fairfield man was arrested on a BART train after an altercation with another passenger. Police who searched him discovered some of the estimated $20,000 worth of Daher's jewelry stolen from a jewelry box in her bedroom, according to law enforcement sources.

BART police did not press charges in the BART altercation but kept the jewelry, which is being held as evidence in the Daher case.

Police said that on March 24, the three suspects had smoked rock cocaine at the juvenile's home in San Francisco, then took BART to Lafayette and walked up Happy Valley Road from the station before turning right onto Rose Lane.

Toward the top of the hill, they noticed the garage door open at the Daher home and entered the house. The killers strangled the 46- year-old mother of two with a telephone cord and slit her throat in the upstairs master bedroom.

``This act was totally at random,'' Lawrence told reporters. ``They had no relationship with the Daher family or anyone in Lafayette.''

Later Lawrence confirmed that Daher ``didn't put up any resistance'' during the attack.

Lawrence said the three suspects drove from Daher's home north to Solano County where one was dropped off at the Overnighter Lodge. The two other suspects parked Daher's Mercedes and walked back to the motel where the fourth suspect picked them up in a car. All four then drove back to San Francisco, Lawrence said.

Police received a major break in the case last Thursday when a Fairfield woman called to say a relative may know something about the slaying. That relative in turn led investigators to Perez.

But there were people who could have helped police much sooner. The suspects were bragging about the killing and giving Daher's jewelry to girlfriends and trading items for drugs. One suspect may have even had one of the thousands of flyers handed out around the Bay Area asking for help in solving Daher's killing.

``We believe that several people may have known about this early on and failed to come forward,'' Lawrence said.

Police are still searching for a diamond ring and other jewelry also believed to have been stolen from the Daher home.

Perez said yesterday that he smokes marijuana daily but would only admit using cocaine once since he was paroled in February. He also said he doesn't physically resemble a suspect sketch provided by police. His father, Joseph Perez Sr., said he doesn't believe his son was involved in the slaying. But he said his son has a drug problem and may have helped plan the burglary of Daher's home.

``My heart goes out to that family,'' Perez Sr. said.

Daher's husband, Joe Daher, again thanked the media yesterday for sustained coverage of the case.

``It's been a long and draining 11 weeks but we're relieved to know that these three animals are where they belong,'' he said.

Joe Daher also thanked his neighbors and Lafayette residents, many of whom contributed to a $50,000 reward fund and passed out flyers.

``Jan and I always had a great feeling living here in Lafayette,'' he added in an emotion-choked voice. ``Little did we know how lucky we were.''

Asked if he wanted to speak with any of the suspects, Joe Daher replied, ``I'd like to do more than talk to these guys.''

Lafayette Mayor Anne Grodin said Daher's death ``has been a heart-wrenching experience for the little community of Lafayette.''

Chronicle staff writers Jaxon Vanderbeken, Benjamin Pimentel and Torri Minton also contributed to this report.

This article appeared on page A - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle


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Posted by Jerry
a resident of Oak Hill
on Apr 3, 2008 at 1:18 am

"An open garage door" - An invitation to those that would steal or do harm. If there isn't an activity happening in your garage with someone present, keep your garage door closed. During my daily exercise walk around the neighborhood I see numerous garage doors open with no one visible. On my way home half an hour later I pass these same houses and the doors are still open.

If I remember correctly, didn't the "kids in the Lexus" steal some items from a San Ramon house that had a garage door open at night. Keep them closed - you never know......


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Posted by ds
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Apr 4, 2008 at 8:36 pm

I do not live in the neighborhood surrounding the new BART station so have nothing to lose or gain from my viewpoint. However, I feel it is a huge mistake to put another BART station in Pleasanton - especially right next to the mall and surrounding neighborhoods. It doesn't solve any of the issues associated with commuters or easing traffic congestion in the tri-valley area. There is no parking associated with the new station which is a major concern with BART in general. It would have solved so much more if they had built it further out into Livermore. This had to have been a "political" decision regardless of how long ago it was made. Public transportation is sorely needed in California and especially in the Tracy to San Francisco corridor. What were the elected officials thinking when this decision was made. Who was getting a kickback or a reelection? No concerned intelligent being would have put a BART station of this type 1/4 mile from another station. It does nothing but slow BART down from reaching its maximum speed!


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Posted by frank
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Apr 4, 2008 at 10:15 pm

This thread has now been running for more than a month and still has legs. Interesting...

But, get over it folks. Many of you are relatively new arrivals in Pleasanton and seem to be newly aware that this Bart station is "happening". Move on to other issues that you might actually have a say in. This decision was made at least 15 years ago and funding subsequently secured. Both parking garages are mostly built and the platform construction is substantially progressed. Be indignant all you want, but it will not change anything.

At the time I too wanted the extension to Livermore rather than another close-by station when the next station would be built. But at the time I remember there was this big struggle between Pleasanton and Dublin - Pleasanton sensibly wanted the station to be at Hacienda but Dublin wanted the station near their main business and residential district as it existed at the time. Pleasanton won out but the consolation prize was the future West Dublin station to be located as you see it today. So, there you have it.


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Posted by factfinder
a resident of Stoneridge
on Apr 6, 2008 at 9:10 pm


No new arrivals here..Frank. I've been in the valley for over 35 yrs.

Our family is a part of a community that stopped/halted the light-rail from taking over the iron horse trail in Alamo. The same can be done with Bart @ Stoneridge.


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Posted by Shelley
a resident of Downtown
on Apr 6, 2008 at 9:15 pm

It's too bad a light rail wasn't made out of the iron horse trail. The 680 corridor needs better public transportation than County Connection buses.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Apr 7, 2008 at 7:59 am

We don't need teens from Alamo coming to Pleasanton on a light rail system to commit crimes. They can drive the Lexus instead.


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Posted by Shelley
a resident of Downtown
on Apr 7, 2008 at 3:17 pm

LOL! Build a wall around Pleasanton! Issue visas and passports for visitors and residents! That will solve the crime AND traffic problem!


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Posted by aaron
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Apr 8, 2008 at 4:45 pm

factfinder, tell us how? that's a terrible trade for pleasanton. The neighborhoods shouldn't have to loose their character. there is no parking assigned, and the malls parking is packed. hence not a good place. and ds, i'm sure there was and is still kickbacks going to these people. thats how business and politics work, especially around here. if you got enough money you get what you want. too bad. any other extension would make sense. this does not. so how long are we going to back up a bad decision. if it's wrong do you just keep going regardless of what is right and what is really needed, and not just a waste of tons of tax dollars. but hey since we're in a recession and have all this money to waste. why not waste more.


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