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Deplorable decision on the part of Gina Allen

Original post made by Please, Downtown, on Dec 8, 2009

Gina Allen,

In regard to "calling the church" in a matter of minutes just NOW to get the "facts" centered around the church, Trinity Lutheran and as it has it a Pleasanton Weekly "staff" is an active member of the church, your decision to LOCK that thread in effort to STOP the dialogue is deplorable and was an extremely BAD choice.

It's all about screen shots and a candid discussion with your superiors now! TAKE ACCOUNTABILTY HERE!

I would ask you to step down now as President in the same regard that the Lutheran Church Bishop asked Pastor Dave to step down!

Talk about a "Patriot Radical" mentality here, my God! You even removed a rather Pagan post as it was not to YOUR liking or in line with YOUR Religious beliefs!

What are you thinking here?

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Posted by Please
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 8, 2009 at 12:05 pm

And with 944 page views on that thread regarding Trinity Lutheran and Pastor Dave, it's too little, too late on your part in a direct
decision to QUASH the discussion.

Should we deem YOU the Pleasanton Community decider or what? This is so beyond deplorable for a local community Media President!

You want people to register to post on that thread so they can be identified! Then what Mrs Allen?


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Posted by Gina Channell-Allen
president of the Pleasanton Weekly
on Dec 8, 2009 at 12:07 pm

Gina Channell-Allen is a registered user.

I am not a member of Trinity Lutheran. We did not report on this story, but did call for clarification when the posters started making accusations. We did this just now because we have other things to do than constantly monitor the rantings and accusations of some Town Square commenters.

My staff and I will lock any thread that gets out of hand. And we completely understand if you choose to not post here any longer.


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Posted by Rae
a resident of Mohr Park
on Dec 8, 2009 at 1:45 pm

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Ms. Channell-Allen,
THANK YOU! Well said.
Rae


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Posted by Parent of Two
a resident of Val Vista
on Dec 8, 2009 at 3:55 pm

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I'm still baffled by "Please" and why he/she is so insistent on knowing the sordid details behind a church/congregation matter that has been handled already.

Find one of the anti-Pastor (ex)members, and a pro-Pastor member and TALK TO THEM on your own. There's really no need to make a public call for details where none are justified or deserved.


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Posted by johno
a resident of Happy Valley
on Dec 8, 2009 at 5:49 pm

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Gina,

Your end all response and attitude is exactly what the majority of the TLC congregation and Pastor told the long term members who had been the ones that volunteered their time and efforts, to keep the church running for years. This thinking and these type of actions have also been echoed here on the forum by current Church members. And I may add that the attitude and judgement coming from these Christians is deplorable at best.

"If you don't like it here then leave" you say!! You have said that a hundred times when you have been called to the carpet by community members on these forums. I feel that this is a very shallow mentality. Would you say that so freely to all your advertisers? Can you really affords to do that? Actually you may just be doing what the Pastor allegedly has done in alienating the member of the church.

Again very interesting that you called the church office and spoke to an employee that no doubt has a personal stake and an agenda. You really feel that you got unbiased information? Would you call a robber or a drunk, to verify if the ploice reports or info is accurate? Much of the posted information is clearly from the church members. Why not let a healthy conversation take place without restricting to people who you have their contact information? Do you take into account that MANY, as in over 200 former and unhappy current members are trying to express a healthy anger as part of their personal healing?

I ask you once again, did you read the Pastors open letter on the church web site? Did you read the Bishops recommendations? I have as of an hour ago and their scathing. The Lutheran church Bishop called for immediate resignation and NO contact with church member! This Pastors self interest was and still is the the main focus of this situation. He won't step down even as the Bishop recommends and he is dwindling down the congregation at a rapid pace.



You say that the unhappy and or former members that worked much more closely with the Pastor than the vast majority of the congregation, are posting "rantings and accusations"... How do you know? What constitutes rantings and accusations? From what I see, 95% of the topics and posts on the weekly are truly rantings and accusations and you of all people know that, but you let all these topics and posts remain!

When your paper reports an crime or a problem with in the community, it always has a bias of the reporter or editor. Even when someone is arrested, it's really an "accusation" as people are innocent until proven guilty!

So in effect from today's actions, you clearly are demanding that nobody from the Pleasanton community discuss the church issue unless a registered member and I am sure that in no time you will LOCK all related threads anyways.

Fianlly you state once again, "We did this just now because we have other things to do than constantly monitor the rantings and accusations of some Town Square commenters."

So, what other things do you have to do than be actively involved with the Newspaper and associated on line Town Forum? It's all just too much of a bother for you it seems and you cop out with an end all
my way or the hiway every time! Did you ever think that you are alienating your advertisers and the public in the same manner that TLC and the Pastor has alienated their own flock?

"Posted by Gina Channell-Allen, president of the Pleasanton Weekly, 5 hours ago
Gina Channell-Allen is a member (registered user) of Pleasanton Weekly

I am not a member of Trinity Lutheran. We did not report on this story, but did call for clarification when the posters started making accusations. We did this just now because we have other things to do than constantly monitor the rantings and accusations of some Town Square commenters.




My staff and I will lock any thread that gets out of hand. And we completely understand if you choose to not post here any longer."


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Posted by Gina Channell-Allen
president of the Pleasanton Weekly
on Dec 8, 2009 at 6:44 pm

Gina Channell-Allen is a registered user.

Johno / Please ---

First, we confirmed through several sources inside and outside of the church that the action was taken not for the reason insinuated by the posts, which was abuse of a child, which is a crime. Dissension in a congregation is not a crime. There was no crime. No cover up. No drama.

And would I tell an advertiser we would understand if he or she chose not to post on our site. Absolutely, especially when said advertiser is abusing the terms of use and making unfounded accusations.

You may feel that locking the threads is a cop out. Sorry you feel that way. But that doesn't mean we won't lock a forum if necessary. I've fought long and hard to keep these forums open, so people can post without having to register. However, when commenters start abusing the terms of use in this manner, we will step in. Believe it or not, our small staff is pretty busy and we do have plenty to do other than monitor the forums.

The reason I responded to you is because, although the post was long and you couldn't help but insult me, it seemed that you wanted an explanation and answers. Here you have it: We did confirm with sources other than the church office; there was no crime committed; my staff and I will continue to lock threads we feel are getting unruly.

(And, before anyone asks: yes, we are the one who can and will determine what "unruly" is, what an "accusation" consists of and what is a "rant" and what is a healthy discussion.)

Please remember, these forums are provided to the community by the Pleasanton Weekly. The ability to post here is an opportunity, not a right.



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Posted by Parent of Two
a resident of Val Vista
on Dec 8, 2009 at 7:02 pm

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So, now that they failed in their efforts to boot the Pastor, this group is now targeting the editorial board of the Pleasanton Weekly. Apparently, they're unhappy or something...


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Posted by Jack
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 8, 2009 at 7:36 pm

Jack is a registered user.

Daddy always said, "Never argue with people who buy ink by the gallon."
And posting here is a privilege...


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Posted by johno
a resident of Happy Valley
on Dec 9, 2009 at 12:03 am

johno is a registered user.

Gina, I respect that posting is a privilege, but just what have I an other really done short of expressing out honest views, in YOUR living room?

You first sated that you contacted the church to "verify facts" and that was done in a ten minute period today prior to your locking that thread!

Then you state that you have no time to hang out on the forums and wade through what you deem to be not post worthy views of your readers, so the route you take is just to lock threads that bug YOU!

Now you sate that you "confirmed through several sources inside and outside of the church" all of the sudden. So which is it really. As President of a Town Newspaper, I hesitate to understand your saying that you confirmed the facts in regard to an ongoing situation that is totally complex in nature.

So, you come off like the "decider" once again Gina. All of the good Christians in support of the Pastor, which the BISHOP of the Lutheran Church asked to step down, hail you!

What About the 200 plus members who's families have been affected in a very negative manner?

I am not trying to be rude her, just trying to be reasonable. I am in the Legal Field and I tend to analyze people words and actions to the very core of their communication.

Your attitude and communication is really hard to read and understand, other than a finding that you are in need of total control and that you act on emotion and impulse. Correct me if I am not interpreting you correctly.




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Posted by johno
a resident of Happy Valley
on Dec 9, 2009 at 12:18 am

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Come on Gina!

"First, we confirmed through several sources inside and outside of the church that the action was taken not for the reason insinuated by the posts, which was abuse of a child, which is a crime. "

The person that started the topic immediately came out and said there was NO abuse of a child" in about the third post!

Do you even read or comprehend these threads prior to your censure?


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Posted by Rae
a resident of Mohr Park
on Dec 9, 2009 at 8:22 am

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Ms. Channell-Allen,
I say once again, "Thank you"!

I'm not sure what thread "johno" was reading, but the continuing innuendo and speculation on a recent thread regarding this topic had, in my mind, really crossed the line of decency.

It doesn't seem to matter what response comes back from you, involved church members, or those of us who are just appalled at the level of malevolence and ill-will that have permeated this topic on several threads, some posters just seem to want to keep it going. Like "Parent of Two", I'm baffled!

So, thank you for your ongoing efforts to keep Forum discussions, as you said, "healthy".


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Posted by Dominic Di Blasio
a resident of Del Prado
on Dec 9, 2009 at 10:35 am

Dominic Di Blasio is a registered user.

I too, compliment the President of Pleasant Weekly for her position here.

I guess I don't really understand why posting without registering is a good thing? Perhaps someone can clarify for me the benefits of this. I don't know of any other blogs or publications that allow people to post opinions without registering...Fact is, opinions tend be the cheapest commodity in the world, since everybody has one. Seems to me, that when people don't have to identify who they are, there is more of tendency to rudeness, attacking criticism and character assassination which is my experience with this forum.

I don't get the obsession with this non-issue at all. The attacks on TLC's leadership seem to coming from people that don't even attend there...This is forum that is a privilege and the Publisher has the right to lock threads at their discretion. If you think there is bias in their doing this, really, you should post somewhere else. I feel they do it as a service to the greater readership as a whole.


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Posted by cw
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Dec 19, 2009 at 3:23 am

cw is a registered user.

I guess I don't really understand why posting without registering is a good thing?

There is a certain amount of safety in remaining anonymous. There are too many people who might take your disagreement with their opinion as a personal affront and decide to retaliate with more than words.

Then too, being anonymous allows certain people a freedom of expression they would never experience otherwise.


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Posted by cw
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Dec 22, 2009 at 2:42 pm

cw is a registered user.

Parent of Two is a member (registered user) of Pleasanton Weekly

So, now that they failed in their efforts to boot the Pastor, this group is now targeting the editorial board of the Pleasanton Weekly. Apparently, they're unhappy or something...

You have a knock for distorting the facts. The vote was based on a reccomendation from the ELCA Bishop after a lengthy investigation to the congregation at Trinity for pastor beard to step down. Those who agreed with the Bishop have now for the most part left Trinity and were quite happy to do so.

Its curious that you voted against any discussion of the issues during that meeting for the vote, and are now doing your best to muzzle any discussion on this forum. What exactly is it that you are so afraid of that you would wish to have everyone refain from discussing?


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