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Pastor stays at TLC

Original post made by Wow, Vineyard Hills, on Dec 6, 2009

Amazingly enough, he gets to stay. [Portion removed for hearsay]...majority vote of congregation.
Fascinating! Shuttle rides for all the people who couldn't get there on their own to vote yesterday. Never seen so many old people, bless their hearts.
shameless and sad.

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Posted by Please
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 6, 2009 at 4:19 pm

Please do tell us what the heck you are talking about. If there are fact that you can share, share them.

From the tone of your post, one can only assume that you're talking about a local church, in which there has been some sort of inappropriate behavior on the part of an pastor, involving youth?

If this is the case and some church is scmoozing it over, the public has a right to know and you have an obligation to tell.


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Posted by Please
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 6, 2009 at 4:39 pm

Well I found the below letter from a "Pasor Dave" at a "Trinity Luthern" in Pleasanton. From the tone of this letter, I can only assume that this is the Church and the Pastor you refer to?


"I believe in forgiveness and I can not walk away"

Pastor Dave

(See HIS letter below)
I can say without reservation that if this is the guy and if he in anyway had inappropriate relations with a minor, and if as you say the "board" voted to let him stay in place a s Pastor, but "not to work with minors", that this Church and it's followers are very sick and desperate people!

The way the Pastor puts this letter is not only narcissistic, but a classic example of the blind and lost, leading the blind and lost!

"I believe in forgiveness and I can not walk away"

Pastor Dave

What I found:

"ADVENT REDEMPTION
"The days are surely coming, says the Lord, when I will fulfill the promise…"

Jeremiah 33:14-16
"Stand up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."

Luke 21:28b
"Now may our God and Father himself and our Lord Jesus direct our ways…

And may the Lord make you increase and abound in love for one another…
And may He so strengthen your hearts in holiness that you may be blameless
before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus."
I Thessalonians 3:11-13

With the dawning of the season of Advent we enter in upon a new church year. Advent is the season of anticipation
and preparation. We are preparing for the coming of Jesus, future and past, while living in the present. We anticipate
the return of Jesus when all things will be made new. We are preparing for the celebration of the birth of Jesus once
more. We also live in the present reality of our own lives, lives that are in transition.

For many of us these present times around Trinity have been confusing, stressful, and filled with concern for our
future. These times are difficult. The call is for us to lift up new and fresh reserves of hope in anticipation of a
brighter future. We do this by clinging to the Word of God and opening ourselves to God's leading through prayer
and fellowship. We communicate our many and varied feelings, our concerns in the hope that the conversation will
provide a dialogue of openness to a new reality.

In that conversation we forgive, we love, we cry, and we strive to
work together to overcome the disconnections of the past. We long for reconciliation; and much like the birth of a
child that gift from God comes with the birth pangs. It also comes with some uncertainty. What will the future truly
be, and what will we need to be about as the people of God? How will we go about fulfilling the desires of God, of
witnessing to our hope, of living out our vision as the called people of Christ?

This is what Advent is truly to be about. It is about anticipation and preparation. It is about redemption. It is about
our collective cooperation and accountability to strive to work together. Colossians 3:12 is a passage of scripture that
serves as a powerful reminder of how we move forward together. "Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and
beloved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and
forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. And over all these
virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity."
I love my Lord and Savior. I love the ministry that we share. I love to share the Gospel. I cannot walk away.

I believe in forgiveness and reconciliation. I believe that we can grow, that fundamental to the Christian spirit is an
openness to the redemption of life, that no one is perfect, but all are in need of God's mercy and grace.

There is a need for a change in our values, attitudes and behaviors, all of us together as pastors and people, but most
especially as pastors and leaders. It would be my hope that we would work to establish a more effective pattern of
interaction, respect and trust, and that together we would take on the responsibility of leading this congregation with
integrity into a new and brighter day.

We have a marvelous ministry here at Trinity! God has blessed us in so many ways. I pray that we will make this an
Advent of anticipation and preparation for the new adventure in our faith, that we will "bear with each other and
forgive" that we will clothe ourselves with "compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, patience and love."
May the peace of God rest among our hearts and souls,

Pastor Dave"


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Posted by Please
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 6, 2009 at 4:48 pm

Pastor Dave Beard
The Rev. David P. Beard became the fourth pastor of Trinity in 1991. A California native born in La Jolla, CA. Pastor Dave has been an active Christian all of his life and involved in the ministry of church for the past 35 years. Pastor Beard began his service in the Outdoor Camping ministries of Southern and Northern California. He is a graduate of California Lutheran University and Pacific Lutheran Theological Seminary. His internship was in the campus ministry of Pacific Lutheran University. He has served previous congregations in Dublin, Santa Barbara and Long Beach, CA. Dave is married to his wife Sue and together they are the parents of two grown daughters, Sarah and Amy.
"This I believe that Trinity is to be a place that is filled with such praise of God and such joy that it overflows into this community in ways that we can only begin to fathom." Indeed Trinity has experienced a tremendous growth in all aspects of her ministry. We have witnessed the transformation of our congregation into a vibrant "Community of Christ". It is Pastor Beard's personal desire to encourage people to experience the love of God, to grow in their relationship with Christ, to discover their spiritual gifts, to be transformed into committed followers and dedicated disciples of Christ, connected in a enriching relationship with God, with a heartfelt desire to witness to the gift of abundant life in Christ, to serve each other in ways that are caring, compassionate and life giving.

Contact Info.
TrinL(remove-spaces-to-send) @ aol.com
ph: 925.846.6363 x102


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Posted by Wow
a resident of Vineyard Hills
on Dec 6, 2009 at 5:17 pm

[Post removed due to hearsay]


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Posted by Please
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 6, 2009 at 5:45 pm

[Post removed due to hearsay]


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Posted by not true
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 6, 2009 at 9:16 pm

A note to all.....I do not know who 'wow' is but the comments made are in-excusable, and not accurate at all.

There was NO abuse...and any reference to child abuse or inappropriate behavior with children is beyond the pale.


Those reading this blog are being lead to believe there was some kind of child abuse, and that is not the case.


To: "wow".

If you continue to have a problem with the Pastor or the council - please go to them and ask your questions. But, to come on here and speak such nonsence/slander, and lead others to make up their own conclusions from your 'veiled' comments about abuse.......oh my-God help you...I am dumbfounded.


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Posted by Parent of Two
a resident of Val Vista
on Dec 6, 2009 at 11:46 pm

Parent of Two is a registered user.

Several points here:

1) There were NEVER any allegations of immoral behavior against the pastor. Some people had working disputes with him, and sought to have him removed.

2) The vote was almost 2-1 in favor of keeping the pastor since most of the congregation had no dispute with him nor an axe to grind.

3) Speculation by uninvolved parties is irresponsible and is bordering on slander. If you don't know, don't speculate. The ENTIRE congregation was provided with the facts prior to the vote.

4) Many of those that sought to remove the pastor didn't show up for church today even though several were scheduled to help with the service.


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Posted by Please
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 7, 2009 at 8:01 am

not true,

Pastor Dave is NOT a private individual, but rather the pastor of a large community church that has been in the limelight.That being said, I think that "Wow" had justifiable concern. [Post removed due to hearsay] He never mentioned the church or the pastor, I did after 10 minutes of research as we were looking at that church for our family and we got weird vibes there recently.

That being said, there was a "vote" and this Pastor seems to have been "forgiven" by the council and congregation? This is exactly what is totally WRONG with holding an individual to a higher standard and or blowing over their actions!

So, lets hear the FACTS since this is a COMMUNITY church. I am sure if these alleged actions and behaviors that even Pastor Dave mentions in the public news letter are "forgivable" of he is asking for forgiveness, lets hear the FACTS so we can make educated decisions on weather or not this would be a church that many would choose to say at, or potential new member can make and educated CHOICE! It all seems to have a HUGE RED FLAG to me?

No one as you stated is being led to believe there was any child abuse but I assume that you concur that there were inappropriate behaviors that were substantial enough to have a vote on weather the Pastor says or goes! SO, let's hear it!

"Amazingly enough, he gets to stay. He's not allowed to be around the Youth but he gets to stay...majority vote of congregation.


Fascinating! Shuttle rides for all the people who couldn't get there on their own to vote yesterday. Never seen so many old people, bless their hearts."


Parent Of Two,

"1) There were NEVER any allegations of immoral behavior against the pastor. Some people had working disputes with him, and sought to have him removed."

Again from the tone of the pastors letter, something was and still is a huge concern! So, a majority voted to let the guy stay, BUT that leaves a potential large number of people and or kids who have been affected in a substantail negative manner by one they trusted who should be held to the highest of standards. What about these people? At this point it seems that damage control is the agenda!

"The ENTIRE congregation was provided with the facts prior to the vote."

So again, being a public community church, lets here these facts, or better yet have the church post a FAQ on their web site! That would be the correct and accountable thing to do right?

"Many of those that sought to remove the pastor didn't show up for church today even though several were scheduled to help with the service."

Bad on Them, shame on THEM for NOT FORGIVING and NOT buying into this ridiculous situation?





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Posted by Please
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 7, 2009 at 8:10 am

From Pastor Daves Bio:

""This I believe that Trinity is to be a place that is filled with such praise of God and such joy that it overflows into this community in ways that we can only begin to fathom."

So as I said, it's a COMMUNITY CHURCH, that "overflows into this community" SO lets hear some truth and see what these "ways that we can only begin to fathom" are all about!


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Posted by Rae
a resident of Mohr Park
on Dec 7, 2009 at 8:21 am

Rae is a registered user.

Pleasanton Weekly,
Once more a post filled with innuendo and speculation about a specific person has been allowed to remain on this forum. The PW Town Square is continuing to evolve into nothing more than a place where the "good" citizens of Pleasanton, hiding behind screen names and punctuation marks, come, not to start a reasonable discussion of current events, but to spread vitriol.

The name-calling and personal attacks in this forum on not only those who have yet to be indicted for a crime, but posters involved in our community and schools, coaches and their children, and now pastors, is seriously out of control.

Some "Community of Character"! A great show from self-proclaimed Christians . . . especially during this season of Christianity.


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Posted by Please
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 7, 2009 at 10:56 am

Rae,

You are SO off track here! There has been zero "innuendo and speculation" here and further your comments "name-calling and personal attacks" don't even relate to this topic.

It is SO text book the way you come and lay this out!


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Posted by Rae
a resident of Mohr Park
on Dec 7, 2009 at 11:35 am

Rae is a registered user.

Please said: "There has been zero "innuendo and speculation" here" Really?

[Portion removed due to hearsay]

Posted by Wow, a resident of the Vineyard Hills neighborhood, 17 hours ago [Post removed due to hearsay]

Posted by Please, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, 17 hours ago [Post removed due to hearsay]

"we got weird vibes there"

"I assume that you concur that there were inappropriate behaviors"

"lets hear some truth and see what these "ways that we can only begin to fathom" are all about!"

. . . and that's just on this thread, on this subject. 'nuff said, by me anyway!



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Posted by Please
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 7, 2009 at 2:37 pm

Rae,

So PLEASE do tell as the Weekly erased what the original poster said happened as (hearsay)...

What were the VOTES about this weekend? What does the Pastors letter elude to? Must we REALLY keep this all a secret, as to what really went down at our little community church?


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Posted by Please
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 7, 2009 at 2:39 pm

Plus, it's all coming out anyways and better if from the horses mouth! Don't you think? How about the CHURCH and the PASTOR making that "letter" that "explained everything" PUBLIC on there web site along with the pastors letter?


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Posted by Simple
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 7, 2009 at 3:43 pm

What happened is that some members felt the Pastor was 'controlling' and perhaps did not value the work/efforts of some volunteers, members and groups within the church. Others were concerned about the building program in which the church wishes to expand and needs to work closely with neighbors and the city to ensure all are involved and concerns addressed.

That is the basis of what it is about...the direction of the church and who can best lead that direction. And he apologized and said he wants to work with everyone to improve his relationships with those whom he may have hurt by not working closely with them or not listened as he should have.

So - that is what it is about. Nothing sinister....no 'abuse'.

Just a church body with concerns about the direction of their church...and everyone was given an opportunity to address AND SHARE their concerns and then a call for a vote was made and all members notified.

The vote was taken and the Pastor remains...and the church moves forward to improve. BTW – it is a wonderful place to worship and some amazing members that do great works.


That's it. Merry CHRISTmas to all.


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Posted by Louis
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 7, 2009 at 4:46 pm

David Beard is surely a happy man today. He gathered his supporters and was allowed to remain to lead the church despite some very serious accusations. It is my opinion that a true man of God would have realized long ago that his presence and leadership skills were causing a rift and dividing the congregation of a once great church. It was then that he should have made a gracious exit. Now the members of the church in key leadership positions who worked so closely with him and witnessed the side of him that most don't see will leave and David Beard will be able to continue. I realized when he lied (and this is not hearsay)that Trinity was not the place for me. I think it terribly sad that so many long time members must be the ones to leave, rather than the pastor of the church. It's now clear why respected and admired members suddenly were joining other churches. I won't get into the specific allegations and testimonies against David Beard in the Bishop's report, but it was recommended that he resign so the church could move forward. It was noted that he showed no remorse for any of his actions to anyone. It was very disheartening watching Sunday attendance dwindle so dramatically while the pastor continued to alienate his congregation and was even ordered to stay away from the youth. A very sad ending indeed.


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Posted by Ceasar
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Dec 7, 2009 at 8:07 pm

It's just too complicated. Why don't you all take a break from going to church for awhile. All of your bickering is stressing me out.

Go bowling or something.


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Posted by Please
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 7, 2009 at 9:24 pm

I don't even know where to begin!

I have spoken to close friend(s) that have attended Trinity Luther for years about this whole situation ans I am shocked and saddened.

To Simple, It's NOT that simple! A Pastor being "controlling" of church members and or their offspring is a serious issue, not to be taken lightly! Controlling people is a disease at best!

People tend to put a great deal of their "faith" in a Pastor, as well as their time and money into a congregation. There's a dependency that forms for people, dependant of a church, the ministry, pastors and other fellow members. There is components of anger, shock and more importantly DENIAL when a church leaders actions and behavior fall short of peoples perception of that persons holiness and righteousness.

Someone mentioned a 2-1 vote to keep this pastor and in the same sentence said that the "majority" wanted to keep the pastor! We,, that leaves a lot of men, woman and children very unhappy doesn't it?

The Pastors letter as well as what people have said, leaves one with the distinct impression that this man only conceded when he was called to the carpet. Not in my humble opinion a virtue that I would seek in a Pastor for my family.

And as far as the churches "growth" and the need to expand, it's a time tested dilema when one man feels so powerful in spirit, the he is so doing Gods work! The typical Church is a non profit, HUGE PROFIT entity! Tons of volunteers, not taxes etc. It's a BUSINESS!


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Posted by Please
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 7, 2009 at 9:33 pm

And why are these "allegations" and "his being ordered to stay away from the youth" so secretive here? I hears some here say that "everyone" got a report with the "facts" and made a vote to keep him as Pastor! Well, who is everyone? Is this not a prominent local Pleasanton church where MANY with children have been and will be drawn in the future to attend unknowing of any of this?

It really seems that people are so damaged or in such denial that they feel it is taboo to talk about this? NOT talking about it and letting the public know what happened is an INJUSTICE!

Just the fact that this is so HUSH publically is a HUGE RED FLAG!

So, just what are these facts?


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Posted by Please
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 7, 2009 at 9:51 pm

Posted by Sam, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 16, 2009 at 1:10 pm

it has nothing to do with liking or disliking his preaching. trinity lutheran belongs to the congregation, not the pastor. the pastor is an employee of the congregation. a large number of them have sufficient cause to ask for his removal. the members who do not want his removal are those whose participation at trinity is limited to showing up for sunday services only. the members who want his removal are the ones who by their service and dedication make trinity work. they are the council members, the sunday school teachers, committee members, and all the rest who volunteer their time, money, and talents so that the other members who contribute nothing more than their presence can enjoy events and services.




these people know the real david beard and have plenty of reasons and evidence to ask for an end to his calling. i urge any member of trinity to ask lots of questions from many other members- find out what david beard is really like for yourselves.




i will also add a note of caution- if david beard stays, then whoever stays with him had better be prepared to take on all of the work and responsibilities for all of the events and services, because the ones making the effort now will be gone. that means that you will have to get off of your fat pews and work yourselves or do without. based on what i have seen and heard of you so far, the church will be a hollow shell of its former glory.

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Posted by David, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 16, 2009 at 1:16 pm

"Comments removed by Pleasanton Weekly Online staff as innuendo, hearsay or specific accusatory information unsupported by facts."




I find it hilarious that you removed my comments which were based on actual personal experience, yet you kept the first comment from the original poster in spite of his unfounded accusations of conspiracy and innuendo of a smear campaign.




I had heard that a member of Trinity was on the staff of the pleasanton weekly, but never thought that they would stoop so low as to infringe on the right of free speech for their own personal reasons. I guess we all know now which side the editor is on in this matter.



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Posted by Please
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 7, 2009 at 9:52 pm

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Posted by Please
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 7, 2009 at 10:11 pm

Pleasnton Weekly Staff,

I implore you to NOT lock this thread as you did the November thread.
The Pleasanton community is entitled to know whats going on at this community church!

Posted by David, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 17, 2009 at 12:09 am

Qwerty,




I think that the only one who is "striking out in anger" is the person who started the thread. Most other comments have been pretty well reasoned and moderate in tone. david beard has unjured a great many people in the congregation and in the nearby neighborhood with his behavior, attitude, and un-Christian like conduct. Enough so that the ELCA (Lutheran) synod bishop and his counselors conducted a thorough investigation recently. the un-biased, objective recommendation of the bishop was that david beard end his call at trinity as the pastor, or in other words resign and move on.




But Qwerty, it seems like its not enough for you to know that there are serious issues at trinity- you have to know all of the salacious details. would it suffice for you to know that nearly all of pastor beard's closest and dearest friends since his arrival at trinity have left the church rather than spend another moment with him?




is it enough that probably the closest friend he ever had in pleasanton is the one doing all he can to have david beard removed? or that the bishop's report cited that one of their greatest concerns was that not once did david beard show any remorse for his actions, or for the loss of several hundred members of the church.




however, the greatest concern of all in the bishop's view was that in all their interviews with david beard he called it "my church", "my ministry", "my teachings", "my vision", "my plans". not once did he mention the name or influence of Christ in any of those things.




david beard is not there to share the ministry of Christ, but his ministry. david beard is not there to share the teaching of Christ but his teaching. david beard is not there to share the vision of Christ, but his vision.




are you getting the point yet? its not just more than half of the congregation that would like to see him move on to the next chapter in his life, the bishop of the ELCA also says it is time for him to go.


Posted by David, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 17, 2009 at 4:21 pm

Matt is correct. Qwerty doesn't care about the pastor or the congregation. its not enough that he has been told the situation was serious enough for the ELCA bishop to intervene. he just wants all of the soap opera gossip.

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Posted by John, a resident of the Stoneridge neighborhood, on Nov 17, 2009 at 9:37 pm

There must be something up. I can't imagine that a Bishop and his team would put forward a recommendation like this without good cause.


Recommendation number 1:




"It is the opinion of the consultation team that there can be no resolution of the state of tension/conflict that exists at Trinity Lutheran as long as Pastor Beard remains in the office of pastor.


It is the recommendation of the listening team that Pastor Beard resign his call to the Trinity Lutheran church immediately, and is to have no further contact with members of Trinity Lutheran..."


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Posted by Please
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 8, 2009 at 7:43 am

If the Pastor is a man of integrity and service to God,who holds the common good of the people closest to his heart and mission, let's hear from him on this forum. This is a small community with a large majority of believers and Trinity Lutheran has been in the limelight for quite a while now, so how about is Pastor?


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Posted by !
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 8, 2009 at 9:00 am

That the Pleasanton Weekly can allow a public flogging of a private citizen is beyond me...and is also very scary. I can understand if the individual is a public sector emploee since we would be paying his/her salary. However, I believe that the pastor would have a legal case against a dew parties here, PW included.


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Posted by Godless
a resident of Old Towne
on Dec 8, 2009 at 9:03 am

When my daughter first started dating, I told her that if she wanted to determine the character of a man, ignore what he said and pay attention to his actions. The actions are more telling than his words. If his words and his actions are consistent over time, you've seen the true character of that person. But, once the words and the actions diverge you have a person who is conflicted or who is untruthful. When the word's and the actions diverge, it's time to start dating someone else!

The same goes with the pastor in this case. The decision should be made based upon his actions. It's great that he can recite scripture. But, what do his actions say?

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Posted by Marie
a resident of another community
on Dec 8, 2009 at 9:20 am

If Trinity is not meeting your needs as a Church then look at another Church. There are plenty of other places to worship in P-town. I am sure they will welcome you with open arms!!


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Posted by in ur town
a resident of Canyon Meadows
on Dec 8, 2009 at 9:28 am

Mankind in his insatiable search for divine knowledge has discarded all biblical teachings. realizing that the strength of religion is the repression of knowledge. All structures of religion have collapsed. Life prays for death in the horror of these revelations. It was never imagined how graphic the reality that would be known as the end of creation would manifest itself. We believe all this chaos and atrocity can be traced back to one single event. We hold these truths to be painfully self-evident. All men are NOT created equal. Only the strong will prosper, only the strong will conquer. Only in the darkness of Christ have I realized "God hates us all".

Holy man open up your eyes to the ways of the world you've been so blind. As the walls of religion come crashing down how's the ignorance taste the second time around? Welcome to the horror of the revelation tell me what you think of your savior now. I reject all the biblical views of the truth. Dismiss it as the folklore of the times. I won't be force fed prophecies from a book of untruths for the weakest mind.


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Posted by I have solutions
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 8, 2009 at 9:50 am

The resolution to these issues is simple:

1. Never, ever, allow that church to further build into the neighborhood. By their own admission everyone will be leaving the church anyway so there will be no need for expansion.

2. Tax the churches. Also assess them a fee that will go directly to the schools. Churches are huge moneymakers and they obviously have the time and money to spend on things like this. Why should the schools not benefit? The Catholic church is the largest landowner in the world, and they pay not one single dime in taxes. That's worse than just wrong, it is criminal.


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Posted by Marie
a resident of another community
on Dec 8, 2009 at 9:57 am

FYI-Yes Churches do pay property taxes. Churches give in ways that you might not think of like outreach to the community.


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Posted by Please
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 8, 2009 at 10:03 am

Pleasanton Weekly,

The church and Pastor are NOT a private matter! This is a VERY public community matter, so I implore you NOT to censure this and or LOCK the THREAD as you did in the past, even though rumor has it that a Weekly employee is involved with Trinity Lutheran!

Now is YOUR chance to come clean, be REAL and LET THE PUBLIC discuss public matters!

Anything less ON THE PART OF THE WEEKLY, is irresponsible and deplorable!


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Posted by Please
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 8, 2009 at 10:17 am

!

He is NOT a private citizen, but rather a community Church head Pastor and Leader! Has been for MANY years at Trinity Lutheran.

Fuhrer, he has been VERY public in regard to the whole "building and expanding" Trinity Lutheran as evidenced at the MANY City Council Meetings over the last year! He was Called To The Carpet by Community Members, as well as City Council and he chocked publicly on that whole matter. He also seems to have alienated the MAJORITY of long time Church members who have dedicated MANY years of devotion, service and monetary support of "His Vision", so Get Over It

"Posted by !, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, 1 hour ago

That the Pleasanton Weekly can allow a public flogging of a private citizen is beyond me...and is also very scary. I can understand if the individual is a public sector employee since we would be paying his/her salary. However, I believe that the pastor would have a legal case against a dew parties here, PW included."

P.S. NO "Public Flogging" here! Lots of posts, mostly from inactive Sunday Service Followers and posts from those formerly or currently most close to the Pastor, who seem to have bee a part of the DAILY workings of the Church!

We are all adults here and I am sure we are more than capable of going over details and coming to are own conclusion if this is a Community Church that we wish to be part of or not!


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Posted by Please
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 8, 2009 at 10:21 am

! Wrong assumption here! Absolutely NO Merit what so ever for a "legal Case"..... Law Libraries are PUBLIC, so feel free to go research!

Personally, I have the On Line Legal Libraries, Lexis as well as West law.


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Posted by Please
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 8, 2009 at 10:51 am

Marie,

"Posted by Marie, a resident of another community, 1 hour ago

If Trinity is not meeting your needs as a Church then look at another Church. There are plenty of other places to worship in P-town. I am sure they will welcome you with open arms!!"

Thats total DENIAL and WAY too simplified! People and their children develope a spiritual dependence and a safe zone in a church community and their spiritual advisor, Pastor over time. They expend a great deal of time and energy, money and put their heart, their total trust and faith from their inner core, on a Pastor in many cases.

This type of ongoing travesty within a congregation very much affects people and their children to the core of their being in both a spiritual, monetary and psychological sense!

Your, as well as many others at TLC mindset apparently dictates a "if you don't like it, hit the road" mentality and as such you seem to have NO spiritual foundation, much less a grounded center as a Christan!


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Posted by In ur town
a resident of Canyon Meadows
on Dec 8, 2009 at 10:54 am

Post removed due to irrelevance.


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Posted by GatorCountry
a resident of Mohr Park
on Dec 8, 2009 at 11:06 am

I stand corrected... WOW is a VERY SICK, weird person..

Pleasanton Weekly I implore you to strike the first comment in this wild string.. The comment made by WOW is TOTAL HERE-SAY...I am a member of the church and was part of the process and never heard anything like what that SICK-CRAZY person WOW stated!!!

Please correct it immediately!!


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Posted by in ur town
a resident of Canyon Meadows
on Dec 8, 2009 at 11:28 am

PW how can you say that my is irrelevant? Doesn't everyone have the right to express their thoughts on this topic. I am not making accusations and placing blame "like the Christians" shouldn't I be able to post here? My comments were very relevant to the church. Shame on you for not giving everyone the same right you fight for under your freedom of the press. Who monitors you and your stories?


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Posted by Please
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 8, 2009 at 11:30 am

Gator,

[Portion removed for hearsay]

Why would your agenda being a person of faith and values want to hide this?

Also, as a Christian, how do you judge Wow as being " a VERY SICK and weird person" for writing" the following as it is their personal experience!

"Amazingly enough, he gets to stay. [Portion removed for hearsay]...majority vote of congregation.


Fascinating! Shuttle rides for all the people who couldn't get there on their own to vote yesterday. Never seen so many old people, bless their hearts.


shameless and sad."

Also, I am blown away at your condemnation, judgement and choice of persecuting words! Who shall be your judge?

Your attitude and actions are exactly why many have left "churches" as of late. It really seems that our own Christian brood has become so synical and judgemental to an extreme!




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Posted by Please
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 8, 2009 at 11:38 am

Pleasanton Weekly,

If you LOCK this thread deeming it has "run it's coarse" as you did with the November TLC church related thread, you have LOST all credibility and standing in the community.YOUR team would be deemed to be just as "contriving" as the Pastor at the center of this discussion has admitted to being with his congregation openly and publicly.

I have screen shots of all the posts in this thread and have asked several times that you NOT take a side and censure this topic. TLC was/is extremely public and has been in the limelight constantly for over the last year. The letter posted here is verbatim from the Pastor. Peoples posts are their direct reality as far as their experiences both with thew church and with Churches in general. Even ur towns post was their own reality however anti Christian. Why would you remove an anti Christian post? That's absurd as Pleasanton is made up of Christians, Pagans. Hindi, Islam and more! Why would a pagan view be inappropriate here?


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Posted by Gina Channell-Allen
president of the Pleasanton Weekly
on Dec 8, 2009 at 11:38 am

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In ur town:

False blame was implied through the words you chose to use.

We have confirmed with the church that youth and/or abuse was not part of the discussion with the pastor.

If the false accusations such as the one you posted (though it was veiled and did not name anyone in particular) continues I will lock this thread to registered users only.


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Posted by Please
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 8, 2009 at 11:40 am

I meant CONTROLING

"YOUR team would be deemed to be just as "CONTROLING" as the Pastor at the center of this discussion has admitted to being with his congregation openly and publicly."


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Posted by Claudette McDermott
a resident of Del Prado
on Dec 8, 2009 at 12:07 pm

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This is going where we shouldn't go... "ur town and Mee Too" seem like inciters, knowing christians are here venting.

I think this article needs to be pulled before it brings more negativity than it already has. Just a thought PW and Looking Ahead :)


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Posted by GatorCountry
a resident of Mohr Park
on Dec 8, 2009 at 1:54 pm

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Thanks for FINALLY editing Wow's vicious comment... I think there has been major damage done already to a good man.. It took 2.5 days to correct it....

There were some legitimate concerns that are being addressed so we can start re-building and healing wounds in the congregation.I try to stick to facts and the truth and so should everyone else..

There must been have some big toes that were stepped on (business and politically wise) and they have stooped very very low this time..


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Posted by Parent of Two
a resident of Val Vista
on Dec 8, 2009 at 3:44 pm

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It's rather disturbing to see the scorched earth policy of some of the (former) members at TLC. We get it. You didn't get along with the Pastor. He was difficult to work with. He has a large ego.

Fine. We get it.

2/3 of the congregation doesn't think these "issues" are adequate to basically tear down a guy's life. Apparently, some of you won't be satisfied until the Pastor, the church, and all of the Sunday "fat pews" are reduced to smoldering ash. And you're trying to teach us about Christian values?! Maybe you need to look in the mirror to find the problem.


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Posted by Dominic Di Blasio
a resident of Del Prado
on Dec 8, 2009 at 4:42 pm

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"Please" Leave!
It's easy to be anonymous and throw darts! If you don't attend this church than stop attacking the leadership of it. Frankly, I suspect "Wow" and "Please" may be the same individual. Just stirring the pot and causing controversy with baseless allegations and demands. If you don't like what is going on at TLC then get involved there...You are wasting everyone's time including your own on this one.


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Posted by johno
a resident of Happy Valley
on Dec 8, 2009 at 6:18 pm

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I feel that it is only fair to re post this here as it relates totally to this topic discussion.

Gina,




Your end all response and attitude is exactly what the majority of the TLC congregation and Pastor told the long term members who had been the ones that volunteered their time and efforts, to keep the church running for years. This thinking and these type of actions have also been echoed here on the forum by current Church members. And I may add that the attitude and judgement coming from these Christians is deplorable at best.




"If you don't like it here then leave" you say!! You have said that a hundred times when you have been called to the carpet by community members on these forums. I feel that this is a very shallow mentality. Would you say that so freely to all your advertisers? Can you really affords to do that? Actually you may just be doing what the Pastor allegedly has done in alienating the member of the church.




Again very interesting that you called the church office and spoke to an employee that no doubt has a personal stake and an agenda. You really feel that you got unbiased information? Would you call a robber or a drunk, to verify if the ploice reports or info is accurate? Much of the posted information is clearly from the church members. Why not let a healthy conversation take place without restricting to people who you have their contact information? Do you take into account that MANY, as in over 200 former and unhappy current members are trying to express a healthy anger as part of their personal healing?




I ask you once again, did you read the Pastors open letter on the church web site? Did you read the Bishops recommendations? I have as of an hour ago and their scathing. The Lutheran church Bishop called for immediate resignation and NO contact with church member! This Pastors self interest was and still is the the main focus of this situation. He won't step down even as the Bishop recommends and he is dwindling down the congregation at a rapid pace.








You say that the unhappy and or former members that worked much more closely with the Pastor than the vast majority of the congregation, are posting "rantings and accusations"... How do you know? What constitutes rantings and accusations? From what I see, 95% of the topics and posts on the weekly are truly rantings and accusations and you of all people know that, but you let all these topics and posts remain!




When your paper reports an crime or a problem with in the community, it always has a bias of the reporter or editor. Even when someone is arrested, it's really an "accusation" as people are innocent until proven guilty!




So in effect from today's actions, you clearly are demanding that nobody from the Pleasanton community discuss the church issue unless a registered member and I am sure that in no time you will LOCK all related threads anyways.




Fianlly you state once again, "We did this just now because we have other things to do than constantly monitor the rantings and accusations of some Town Square commenters."




So, what other things do you have to do than be actively involved with the Newspaper and associated on line Town Forum? It's all just too much of a bother for you it seems and you cop out with an end all


my way or the hiway every time! Did you ever think that you are alienating your advertisers and the public in the same manner that TLC and the Pastor has alienated their own flock?




"Posted by Gina Channell-Allen, president of the Pleasanton Weekly, 5 hours ago


Gina Channell-Allen is a member (registered user) of Pleasanton Weekly




I am not a member of Trinity Lutheran. We did not report on this story, but did call for clarification when the posters started making accusations. We did this just now because we have other things to do than constantly monitor the rantings and accusations of some Town Square commenters.










My staff and I will lock any thread that gets out of hand. And we completely understand if you choose to not post here any longer."


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Posted by johno
a resident of Happy Valley
on Dec 8, 2009 at 6:28 pm

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1234 page views! Now thats some serious interest for what the Weekly President deems "rantings and accusations of some Town Square commenters"...

Why would the pro Pastor post be valid, but posts from those that were more closely associated with the Pastor be deemed ranting?


A few people had "ranted" that my personal involvement was to stir the pot. I have rental property in close proximity of the church and many associations with current and former TLC members that have been affected.

Further, I was at the council meetings related to the church expansion, including the meeting in which the Council reamed the Pastor for giving false and misleading information in regard to the expansion.


Why are people SO concerned with the Pastors lively hood, but have ZERO concern for the hundreds of people who have been affected and let down, by the Pastors own admission ion the church web site?

Hers a guy, as Madden would say, that was asked by the regional Bishop upon extensive investigation into numerous allegation to LEAVE the church and have NO contact with it's members, who REFUSES to leave at a time when the church membership is diminishing weekly in vast numbers!

Lets be CANDID here and continue this very relevant discussion.


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Posted by Gina Channell-Allen
president of the Pleasanton Weekly
on Dec 8, 2009 at 6:46 pm

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Johno / Please ---

First, we confirmed through several sources inside and outside of the church that the action was taken not for the reason insinuated by the posts, which was abuse of a child, which is a crime. Dissension in a congregation is not a crime. There was no crime. No cover up. No drama.

And would I tell an advertiser we would understand if he or she chose not to post on our site. Absolutely, especially when said advertiser is abusing the terms of use and making unfounded accusations.

You may feel that locking the threads is a cop out. Sorry you feel that way. But that doesn't mean we won't lock a forum if necessary. I've fought long and hard to keep these forums open, so people can post without having to register. However, when commenters start abusing the terms of use in this manner, we will step in. Believe it or not, our small staff is pretty busy and we do have plenty to do other than monitor the forums.

The reason I responded to you is because, although the post was long and you couldn't help but insult me, it seemed that you wanted an explanation and answers. Here you have it: We did confirm with sources other than the church office; there was no crime committed; my staff and I will continue to lock threads we feel are getting unruly.

(And, before anyone asks: yes, we are the one who can and will determine what "unruly" is, what an "accusation" consists of and what is a "rant" and what is a healthy discussion.)

Please remember, these forums are provided to the community by the Pleasanton Weekly. The ability to post here is an opportunity, not a right.


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Posted by cw
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Dec 21, 2009 at 1:57 pm

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Parent of two;

It's rather disturbing to see the scorched earth policy of some of the (former) members at TLC. We get it. You didn't get along with the Pastor. He was difficult to work with. He has a large ego.

I find your "scorched earth" comment as applied to former members of Trinity hilarious considering the openly hostile attitude displayed the next day at Trinity towards anyone who did not stand up in the vote to keep Beard. For those who don't fully understand the situation, the vote only served to more clearly define who the "enemy" was trying to boot their beloved pastor. I know why you want to trivialize the issues. It makes it a simpler and easier solution for you to understand and deal with if you want to think that a few dissidents were unable to get along with the pastor. You conveniently fail to mention that these former members consist of five former presidents of the congregation, and many former very close personal friends of the Beards. You also conveniently mistook our regard for privacy and people's feelings as being secretive and conspiring.

Fine. We get it.

No, you don't. Not at all. You don't get that the ELCA bishop thought it was more than just a handful of dissidents that were not getting along with a pastor. You don't get that he came to an objective recommendation to have Beard resign after holding discussions with hundreds of members on both sides of the issues. Obviously the bishop and his staff in your mind were also part of the conspiracy to remove Beard.


2/3 of the congregation doesn't think these "issues" are adequate to basically tear down a guy's life. Apparently, some of you won't be satisfied until the Pastor, the church, and all of the Sunday "fat pews" are reduced to smoldering ash. And you're trying to teach us about Christian values?! Maybe you need to look in the mirror to find the problem.

That's because you were never in a position to see Beard as he truly is, and not just the smiling pastor who shakes your hand as you head out the door on Sunday. I was a member of Trinity for over ten years, attending both the 8:30 and 10 am services regularly, and the thing that impressed me most about the voting meeting that Saturday was the number of people I had never seen till that day. It was like being in Chicago in the Richard Daley years.

There may be one or two people aren't ready to let go yet, but I can tell you with a very high degree of certainty that the vast majority of people who left Trinity after the vote are happy and content. We made our best effort, the vote was taken, and we are happy to move on. Which leaves you with a lot to do. Nearly all of the current and past leadership have left. The majority of people who worked on the council committees, organized the events, and taught your kids in Sunday School are gone. The woman's ministry is gone, the youth ministry is struggling, and even the choir has lost half its members. Now is your chance to get up off of that pew and actually do something. And you get to work closely with Pastor Beard. Let's see you put your faith where your mouth is.


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