Posted by unknown, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Nov 25, 2009 at 4:14 pm
i have lived in pleasanton my whole life and I'm not comfortable living here anymore. Yes vineyard is the ghetto but there's other streets are too. The PPD are hanging out to much at starbucks instead of patrolling our streets!!!!!!!!!!! That's why I go outside with pepper spray to protect myself.
Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore, on Nov 25, 2009 at 4:16 pm
During the holidays there's an increase in crime. Don't carry large amounts of cash. Also, don't go shopping and pack your gifts in the trunk of your car and then go shop more until you drop. There are many thieves waiting in parked cars, alerting their friends that you've just stuffed the trunk of you car with valuables. It only takes a few seconds to pop open your trunk and make off with a nice free xmas gift. Don't expect criminals to be understanding because of the bad economy. They're waiting for you and anybody that looks vulnerable.
Posted by Vintage Heights Resident, a resident of another community, on Nov 25, 2009 at 6:08 pm
It's about time the Pleasanton PD gets their head out of the sand and realizes the Vineyard ghetto needs regular patrolling/monitoring. The open drug dealing in the Shell parking lot, loitering in the park, and this violence should be a wake-up call. Maybe take one radar unit off the streets for a while and assign that position to the ghetto area?
Posted by Dan Doerr, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 25, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Forget about extra police actually patrolling the streets, Vineyard or anywhere else. The police of every jurisdiction are way too busy parked at the bottom of Rt 84 as you come eastbound off the hill at Pigeon Pass, giving tickets to every poor sucker who relied on their cruise control to keep them under 55, just as the speed limit drops to 50.
Posted by A Hoax, a resident of the Vineyard Avenue neighborhood, on Nov 25, 2009 at 8:03 pm
It's a hoax; don't believe these kids. And, there are no sidewalks on Vine Street and Wild Flower Lane; it's an unincorporated area of the city in Alameda County. These kids apparently have too much time on their hands and have to make this up for attention. The PPD is just going along with their story because they have nothing better to do either.
Posted by Kris, a resident of the Kottinger Ranch neighborhood, on Nov 25, 2009 at 10:00 pm
I know all three kids. It's not a hoax. I don't trust to walk down Old Vineyard. The kids are respectable kids; why would they break his jaw? I wouldn't want to go through that pain. They're not getting all that much attention or ... they're not getting money. So what would be the purpose ?
Posted by PToWN94566, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 26, 2009 at 12:59 am PToWN94566 is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
LOL Vineyard is far from being a ghetto. If you're scared to live in Pleasanton, there are other towns that are even more secluded then us. Perhaps people didn't live here when we had Rosie living in the old bus stop- she was known to just walk into people's houses. There was also another homeless man that lived in the Amador Community Park- when there use to be large ivy bushes- and he'd make nasty comments to young females walking by. If people want true ghettos, get in your car and drive over the hill to have an eye shocking expereince. Better yet, make use of your time and volunteer at a homeless shelter; that'll open your eyes and make you appreciate our town.
Posted by Patricia, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Nov 26, 2009 at 7:47 am Patricia is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
I also know these boys and it is not a hoax. One of them is going to have to have his jaw wired and all three have had the living daylights scared out of them and their cell phones etc. stolen. I find it telling that every post either accuses them of making it up, blames it on the neighborhood they live in, or trashes the police. For goodness sake, rentals do not a ghetto make! Have any of you ever been outside of Pleasanton? Like Ptown said, go volunteer at a shelter or a food kitchen and see what it's like out there. And be thankful that you live in a very nice, safe place. But bad things DO happen in nice safe places, too -- and to nice people. The police can't be everywhere and bad guys know it.
Most of all, though, where is your compassion? No one has bothered to express any concern about the kids, so let me:
Guys, I'm sorry to hear you went through this and I hope you heal quickly. I'm just glad to hear you're all three OK.
Posted by Resident, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 26, 2009 at 9:04 am
People have to be careful no matter where they live. I used to live in a very safe neighborhood in another state, and during soccer practice one morning, at toddler was kidnapped when no one was paying attention.
I think that just because we live in Pleasanton, it does not mean we can stop being careful. Even in Palo Alto, last year on the news they talked about a girl being assaulted on her way back from school
Bad things happen even in the best of neighborhoods. The police in Pleasanton are very good and do what they can, but we need to do our part and be careful and teach our kids to be careful.
As for those who are suggesting this was a hoax: I don't think it can be a hoax, come on, the kid has a broken jaw!
I hope they catch the 4-5 guys responsible for this and they give them jail time. I also hope for the kid's speedy recovery, a broken jaw must be painful.
Posted by JR, a resident of the Danbury Park neighborhood, on Nov 26, 2009 at 9:14 am
Police cannot alone prevent crime. Be aware of your surroundings and report problems. Many people would not like to get envolved and think it is the job of the police. It is everyones job. I feel very bad for the kids that this happened to AND the young men that had to resort to this. Obviously there is nobody in their lives that care about them.
Posted by little m, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 26, 2009 at 10:19 am
Remember a short while ago when a white kid batted someone over their head in an upper middle crust neighborhood ... or the kid who slammed into the DMV wall and killed all the occupants ... white kids ... Amador Valley is home to a lot of white druggies ... Crime is not isolated to Vineyard ... we just like to keep our white kids on a pedestal b/c they are our babies ... (incidentally I am guilty of this just like most of my friends).
Posted by Dan Doerr, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 26, 2009 at 10:45 am
What happened to "allegedly"? In the original posting the word allegedly was inserted in the headline, as in "Pleasanton teens ALLEGEDLY robbed"...
Since essentially no other crime story ever reported in the PW contained the word "allegedly" in the headline, I bet a lot of the "hoax" posters were made suspicious of the story by that, as opposed to some other inherent issue.
This is just another example of PW's over the top PC - this time in being careful not to blame "4 to 5 black males" for the crime that the police said they committed, even at the expense of the victims' credibility.
Apparently the PW realized this morning at 6:30 a.m. that they were wrong to try and cast doubts about the veracity of the teens and removed the word from the headline.
Perhaps in the future they could do the review up front and save the victims from being called liars in a public forum, especially since its hard to defend yourself with a broken jaw.
Posted by Longtime resident, a resident of the Pleasanton Heights neighborhood, on Nov 26, 2009 at 10:53 am
Vineyard might not be a ghetto, but it is a "barrio". The PPD must increase patrols along the corridor from First St. to Bernal and all the side streets. We need to provide protection for the many hard working young hispanic families in the area. I am sure these robbers were from outside Pleasanton looking for easy targets. Wake up Pleasanton. Wait until the new Stoneridge Bart station opens.
Posted by Salsa, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Nov 27, 2009 at 7:46 am
Stuff happens. We need to be aware of our surroundings and report suspicious stuff. Instead of us complaining all the time, why don't some of us do something to help our community. That area is a barrio and the families there do need protection from bad people who come in all colors. Perhaps some of us should take the time to help organize neighborhood watch programs in the area and mabey share a Thanksgiving meal. The PPD does a wonderful job, I would like to think that we have their backs.
Posted by Love Ptown, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 27, 2009 at 8:20 am
With the economic times it's not surprising we would have this issue. Until you know the facts, you shouldn't make assumptions about the teens, the police or the neighborhood. Shame on all of you that are placing the blame on something you've made up in your minds. No facts are in. We should support the entire community in a thoughtful way, instead of condemming it.
Posted by Mary, a resident of the Vineyard Avenue neighborhood, on Nov 27, 2009 at 9:15 am
VINEYARD is NOT a ghetto, what a stupid thing to say. Ignorance runs wild in this little city. Why aren't YOU doing something about the crime here? It really isn't that bad compared to other cities. Our police officers do a darn decent job, maybe they could do better. Vineyard sucks because there are middle class white people who live here whose kids smoke and deal marijuana, that is what sucks, and all these kids have a "ok to smoke marijuana card" at age 16 now, so the cops cant do anything... but no one talks about that.... I've seen the older white man who sells the crap to the kids... but the cops cant catch him, the parents "ignore" the problem and look the other way if it is their kid.... what a joke.. if there is anything to worry about, IT IS ALL OUR CHILDREN IN ALL OF PLEASANTON WHO ARE NOT HAPPY, PUSHED TO HARD, AND SMOKING WEED... IT IS ALL OVER THIS CITY... NOT JUST ON VINEYARD... get off your *** and get real with what is really happening here... and stop ranting about something you won't do anything about... I love living on Vineyard, it is beautiful here!!
Posted by annonymous, a resident of the Canyon Oaks neighborhood, on Nov 27, 2009 at 9:49 am
Dave - I know your comment isn't going to be popular but I agree with you 100%. Crime can happen anywhere but in Pleasanton, it seems to occur more often in the Vineyard neighborhood - and can anyone figure out why that is??? Read Dave's comment, he's exactly right.
Posted by Anonymous, a resident of the Vineyard Avenue neighborhood, on Nov 27, 2009 at 10:16 am
The Vineyard avenue area is a neighborhood of contrasts. You have a large church on one end and a gas station on the other where drug deals supposedly take place. There are decent homes on the side streets of vineyard towards the school which I think is in the southerly direction.The people on that side of the neighborhood seem very nice, the homes are well-kept and is generally a pleasant place to walk. On the opposite end of the spectrum are the rental units on side streets north of vineyard, particularly where this most recent incident took place. I wouldn't walk there at night. Not that I think it is a ghetto because I don't think anything in Pleasanton qualifies as a true ghetto. Rather, the people living in that area are noisy and often display raucous behavior. I don't see those things happening very much on the other side of Vineyard.
Livermore has similar issues near railroad ave. The side closest to downtown has some nice homes and apartments nearby. The other side of the tracks is full of homes that are not well-kept and actually look rather run down. It is a junky neighborhood with people who are sloppy, have very messy yards and junky cars. It tells you something about the type of people who live there.
Posted by Victims' friend, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 27, 2009 at 10:28 pm
My home is the one where the three teens went following their assault. They immediately called the police and then their parents. The police arrived very quickly, followed by the fire department. All of the police and firemen performed very professionally. The policemen got all of the information from the teens and the firemen checked the one whose jaw had been broken.
One of the men who assaulted the teens pulled a gun and put it the head/spine of another of the teens. This is really scary. The boys could have been killed.
Don't pay any attention or respond to anyone who doesn't know what really happened there. This area is part of Pleasanton and not part of the unincorporated area nearby. This is a good neighborhood.
Thank you to everyone who has shown their support. We can all do well by raising our children to know that they need to be responsible to themselves and their families and communities. Acting in a way to prove that you are tough is foolish. We all need to act in a way that can become a universal rule.
Posted by KraTr, a resident of the Kottinger Ranch neighborhood, on Nov 27, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Wow... whoever you people are who said this is a hoax you are dead wrong. These guys are my close friends and I'm appalled at what happened to them. You should be ashamed of yourselves. AND WHO WOULD BREAK THEIR OWN JAW FOR THIS REASON FOR CHRIST SAKES! And the people who did this: It's this type of negative influence and villainous acts that give Vineyard a bad name. This is just one act of violence. Wrong? yes. Immoral? Definitely. But this is just one group of guys! It doesn't mean Vineyard is a ghetto. They could have been from out of town for all we know!
All in all, the point is they need to be brought to justice, the stereotypes on Vineyard need to stop, and you need to think logically about the boy's situation right now.
Hey you 3. Recooperate well and I hope you the best. for the 1 in the hospital(no names needed) I'm sorry for all that's happened, and I don't need to repeat all that's happened. Love always to all 3 of you.
Posted by Tait, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 28, 2009 at 8:40 am
The definiton of a ghetto according to wikipedia: "portion of a city in which members of a minority group live; especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure."
Think about it, that portion of town is a thriving area. It has it's own dynamic; as negative and unacceptable it might be to most of us, it actually is "successful" in a sense of it's own survival. Fortuanataly for most of Pleasanton it's confined to a small area.
Posted by Rae, a resident of the Mohr Park neighborhood, on Nov 28, 2009 at 10:14 am
Right on! It isn't enough just to confine "those" people to an area economically, we need to throw up a fence around all those undesirables. We could even electrify it.
Then we could pass a gun law just for the "good" citizens of Pleasanton, you know, the right kind of people. They could not only carry guns, but could patrol the ghetto and shoot anyone who tries to escape, doesn't have the appropriate papers, looks like they might be from outside the US . . . heck, even outside Pleasanton. We'd have to set something up so that the ones employed as maids and gardeners could go to their jobs, but there would have to be a curfew, and separate transportation, maybe a couple of buses, to drop them off. Of course we wouldn't allow them to have or drive a car; they might try to escape.
We'd have to identify all of our "good" citizens who are patrolling the ghetto fence so that the PPD wouldn't get confused and think they were one of "those" other kinds of people. I know, any true Pleasanton American who is doing their duty and patrolling can wear a brown shirt.
Posted by Maria, a resident of the Vineyard Avenue neighborhood, on Nov 28, 2009 at 3:30 pm
It's a shame that there are people who can not properly define the word "ghetto" - try living in New York City or San Francisco's tenderloin district. Have you visited 3rd street behind the Giant's Stadium in San Francisco?
It pains me to know that KKK thinking and racism and Pure Ignorance still exists in a town that is attempting to become affluent...
If you do not like it here, then you are more than welcome to move back to where ever you came from. Or choose a place in Texas where you would feel ultimately comfortable with the good ole boys.
The year is 2009! Come on People now, smile on each other! Get with the program, find your peace with what is true and what is real....
FEAR is the only factor causing all this trouble here!
Posted by Loretta, a resident of the Vineyard Avenue neighborhood, on Nov 28, 2009 at 4:20 pm
LET ME SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT! I live on Wildflower Lane off of Vine Street. My community is Heritage Gardens, a small single family home community. My community is NOT in the unicorporated area of Pleasanton. I have lived in this neighborhood for 20 years. I KNOW MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
Let's get the facts staight, okay.
First, the boys who were robbed came straight to my front door and told me what they had just experienced. They were very shaken up and still frightened after what they just went through. The boy who got his jaw broke told me he needed to use the phone to report what had happened to them to the police. The police arrived quickly along with the fire department. The boys were checked out physically to see if they were okay and they were all questioned by the police about what had happened. All of this took place in my home. The questioning of the boys took place over a 2 hour period.
Second, all of the boys that were robbed are very, very, nice decent boys. I know this because my son is friends to all of them. That's why they came to my house. Whom ever said this is a hoax DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT!
Third, yes there are apartments down on Vine Street with mostly hispanic people living there. I have walked down that area many, many times, and nobody from those apartments ever harmed me!
Fourth, I am very certain that the young men that robbed the boys were NOT from Pleasanton at all.
Fifth, all cities have different pockets of different social ecomomic areas. Pleasanton is no different. However, Pleasanton as a whole is a very safe, clean, community with good family values.
I feel very strongly that what happened to the boys was an isolated incidence because I feel the men that robbed them were not Pleastonians. They were from out of town.
To all the boys, I am so happy overall you are okay. To the boy I know very well that got his jaw broke, please know that you are in my prayers and I wish you a speedy recovery.
P.S. To anyone who doesn't know what they're talking about, just be quiet!
Posted by PLEASANTON RESIDENT, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Nov 28, 2009 at 7:06 pm
I find it odd that there are not police patroling the Pleasanton neighborhoods when I have rareley driven down main street where I don't see a minimum of 7 police cars cruising that one strip. I've thought this town has too many police when I constantly see that many cruising first street. They can't be where there needed all the time, but they certainly have a better chance if they spread out and not clump up on main street. I hope you kids are ok. The reprocussions of such a frightening experience run deep. Your in my prayers and thoughts.
Posted by Pleasanton Resident, a resident of the Vineyard Hills neighborhood, on Nov 28, 2009 at 10:39 pm
There are two very disturbing things about this article. One, this incident took place blocks from my home. Two, I didn't find out about it until today. In the meantime, my 14 year old daughter and her friends had been enjoying the holiday break walking up and down Vineyard nearly every day. While I have been notified of chicken pox head lice, and the remote possibility of the swine flu, robbed at gunpoint slides by? Granted this occured during a school break, however it seems Pleasanton needs a broadcasting notofication system at least as widespread as the school districts.
I would also like to see routine patrol especially in vulnerable areas. Does anyone know this is not already happening? Are the PPD spending their time on other issues?
Posted by Cpncerned Citizen, a resident of the Foothill Knolls neighborhood, on Nov 29, 2009 at 9:26 am
Whoever assumed this is a made-up story is messed up! How can it be a hoax? Ask the student with the broken jaw why he has to have his mouth wired shut for next next 4-6 weeks! Maybe that person believes that 9/11 was a hoax, too. They only need to ask the family members of the some 3,000 persons killed what happened to their loved ones.
Posted by Amador Alum 09, a member of the Amador Valley High School community, on Nov 29, 2009 at 11:34 pm
for those who have said that this was a hoax, get reall, things like this happen every day all over this world. pleasanton is no getto if you want to see a real getto then go to the bronx. Even though pleasanton is a safe town bad things still happen all the time, for example drunk driving accidents, suicides, kidnapings etc. as for the PPD like other people have said they cant be everywhere at once. we also dont have enough money in the town to hire more officers. so stop bad mouthing them and gett off your lazy butts and start watching your kids or other kids. this communitie has to work together as a team to keep everyone safe. the cops do what they can but their not superman. as for the boys that were victimized i hope yo all are ok and heal quickly.
Posted by ptownright, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Nov 30, 2009 at 8:53 am ptownright is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
We need to get more street lights on Vineyard. I lived on Vineyard for 15 years and my only complaint is lack of proper street lighting, especially, in areas around the parks. This simple addition could prevent petty crimes and also give Vineyard better appeal.
Posted by hybrid owner, a resident of the Valley Trails neighborhood, on Nov 30, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Yes, Thank you Loretta! Two of these boys are friends with my son. They play music together. I am praying also for the speedy recovery of the boy with the broken jaw. This is a very traumatic experience for anyone to have to endure. I just hope they will all be okay.
Posted by Red, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Nov 30, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Called the PD today to talk to a Detective and got his voice mail saying he only works Tuesday thru Friday. That is wrong. 10 hour days 7-5! And the City Manager and the Mayor allow this!!!! Oh yeah the CM works a four day week every other week. Go back to straight 40 hours.