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Fiahlo's Fiasco

Original post made by resident, Downtown, on Nov 13, 2009

The ice rink was proposed for Round Table or Domus in the parking lot. Great idea. When those deals allegedly fell through, it was approved to go in the library parking lot. Out of the blue, with no public or city hearings, Fiahlo unilaterally decided to move the rink to the corner of First and Angela.
The neighbors rightly protested the move when none of them had any input about the congestion, the 24/7 noise or the complete disruption of their lives over a period of two months. The bait and switch, done behind Fiahlo's closed door, backfired. For many good reasons, most outlined in a thread here several months ago, that potential disaster was scrapped.
The rink is back at the library lot where it did not need to go and should not have been placed. Time will tell about the impact on the lives of those who live near there and those who use the library. The city will likely be on the hook for tens of thousands of dollars in expenses (want to bet that none of us will EVER have access to those records?) and the neighbors will suffer the disruption for a rink that proposes to charge far too much for an activity that cannot even take place if our El Nino year brings the expected rains this season.
The bottom line is that these things should not be done without input from those who are affected. This is another case of the egos of those who run this city getting in the way of doing the right thing. Community of character? Not!

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Posted by Library Patron
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 13, 2009 at 9:06 am

I think the rink is a good idea. The location picked, however, could not have been worse.


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Posted by ghj
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Nov 13, 2009 at 9:45 am

Did we forget about the Delucci Park location that was proposed and then moved because of those neighborhoods complaining. I'm pretty sure no matter where you put it there would be an outcry of complaints. It's Pleasanton, people love to act as if every little thing is the end of the world. Can someone come up with a location that is owned by the city that has less residents within a 1000 yards? Somewhere that would inconvience less residents? I grew up here as did my father and this issue is so minor and temperary that it's a blink of the eye relative to other issues and is also less important then about almost every issue.


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Posted by MdP
a resident of Downtown
on Nov 13, 2009 at 10:00 am

It is a huge problem for people with small children, people with mobility issues, unaccompanied children trying to get to the library. I don't think this was ever taken into consideration.


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Posted by ghj
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Nov 13, 2009 at 10:12 am

"people with small children, people with mobility issues, unaccompanied children trying to get to the library."
I will say that's true and lets say that's 100 people or 200 that fit that discription that would use the library during the ice rink that will not be able to solve the problem. Can we find a solution, although it's way to late to do anything but compalin, that would bother less people in a less important way? I know the library is very important to the users but for example if it was put infront of the libray users houses it would likely bother them in a more important way as in no sleep, no parking, drunken teens on your lawn, etc.
P.S. 'Unaccompanied children' that can't navigate around the rink to the library's front door should not be unaccompanied IMHO.


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Posted by karen
a resident of Carlton Oaks
on Nov 13, 2009 at 10:26 am

The Domus lot off Main street is the logical location, for many reasons.


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Posted by Lucky Guy
a resident of Bordeaux Estates
on Nov 13, 2009 at 10:51 am

Pleasanton--Community of Character--and it shows everyday. More like a Community of Complainers and spoiled Cry Babies. Quit bitching and solve the issue instead of attacking the City Manager, who you alledge makes shady deals. He serves at the will and pleasure of the Council YOU elected. You don't want him, have him fired. That would be another shot heard round the world like the mistaken burning of the Fallon House years ago, the Pleasanton parent who allowed the strip party and oh yeah the wrong brown shade of the house on the hill. Now we could add a fired city manager who mislocated an ice rink. Should make for a great laugh in Europe.


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Posted by MdP
a resident of Downtown
on Nov 13, 2009 at 10:52 am

Unfortunately nothing can be done about it this year. Let's hope the city comes to some sense for next year.


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Posted by PToWN94566
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 13, 2009 at 1:07 pm

PToWN94566 is a registered user.

I find it comical that people claim that there would/will be noise 24/7. Why is it I highly doubt that the rink will be open at 11pm or later and also not open at 8am? Also, the city could have put it in the middle of a field and people would have complained. As MdP said, there's nothing we can do about it this year. Lets enjoy the rink that is being built, make observations about the location, and make suggestions for it next year. And yes, the location could have been a lot worse than what has been picked.


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Posted by ghj
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Nov 13, 2009 at 2:03 pm

PToWN94566 - I support the rink and think that as far as city owned land away from houses, etc their aren't many better places if any when all is considered. Also complaints are going to come, as you said, no matter what and I think the city did their best to find the place where the least people would complain (remember when they were going to put it in Delucci and it got shot down by people who owned homes along there?) But as far as the constant noise I think they are talking about the generators that will be used (if any) for power. They can't re freeze the ice every morning so they need to keep it frozen through the night. If they use generators, how loud they actually will be, etc still remains to be seen and heard, but that's what the anti-rink and the anti-rink next to library people are talking about.


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Posted by trekmtb
a resident of Heritage Oaks
on Nov 13, 2009 at 2:10 pm

Maybe the generators (if they even use them) will drown out the noise made by the 25 (exaggerated?) freight/commuter trains that pass within 2 blocks of the site every day.


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Posted by chris
a resident of Downtown
on Nov 13, 2009 at 4:18 pm

it should have been out where that new beautiful expensive baseball park is at Bernal!


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Posted by MdP
a resident of Downtown
on Nov 13, 2009 at 4:49 pm

"it should have been out where that new beautiful expensive baseball park is at Bernal!"

Sounds more appropriate to me.


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Posted by FedUp
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 14, 2009 at 8:07 pm

I still think the Sports Park is the perfect spot. I hope the city will reconsider it for next year.

Lots of parking, lots of open space, lights. Everything is ready for it.


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Posted by ghj
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Nov 15, 2009 at 7:53 am

Well nobody care what one person thinks. Majority rules when it comes to things like this. Sports Park has more people that would complain. You need to find a place with the least amount of complaints, not where it would be convinient for you. I would love it a Delucci, where it was going to be at one time, but there were a lot of complaints, I didn't get what I wanted either.


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Posted by resident
a resident of Downtown
on Nov 15, 2009 at 10:02 am

Delucci park was the worst idea of all and was what Fiahlo tried to stick us with, allowing no public input on it. The rink was to go on one of the busiest corners on the heavily traveled cut-through route where there is no traffic light for the crosswalk. It would have been built on top of the grass, requiring a complete rework of the park at city expense. It would have caused a traffic, parking and pedestrian nightmare. Fiahlo's solution to the parking problem was to ban ALL street parking, even for residents -- how lovely -- while the rink operated. The neighbors would have spent two months listening to 24 hours per day of generators trying to freeze the ice. The kids crossing the street in the dark, at a corner without a stop light, would have been in danger of being hit.
The best downtown location was Domus and perhaps someone can uncover the real story about why that location was not used. If you think this downton rink will go away just because the planning commission has bought into the new practice rink, well think again. The merchants are insisting that a downtown rink be there every year to draw shoppers. At some point, after enough aggravation from noise and parking and loss of use of the library, perhaps saner minds will place the merchant demands lower on the scale and consider the rest of the residents. There are plenty of locations that make sense but the merchants demanded a "downtown" rink. I am not personally inclined to spend money downtown if these merchants care so little about my needs that they insist on a downtown-at-any-cost ice rink. The Bernal property or the sports park would make more sense and should be the venue of choice in future years.


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Posted by FedUp
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 16, 2009 at 7:46 am

I agree. they are both much better locations. The Sports Park is even better since it already has parking and it is paved, plus lots of room.


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Posted by Karen
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Nov 16, 2009 at 8:44 am

I think the ice rink was supposed to be a draw for our downtown association/businesses. If it is located in the Sports Park or the new Bernal Park it will be too far out for shoppers to support our businesses.


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Posted by FedUp
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 16, 2009 at 9:40 am

Well, hopefully an alternative location will be found next year. It's bad enough that the library parking gets taken over whenever there is a big event at the Fairgrounds, now there'll be 2 + months of no parking because of this rink.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Nov 16, 2009 at 9:51 am

Stacey is a registered user.

There's probably room in the old transportation corridor maybe behind the under-construction Firehouse Arts Center. But I have a feeling that that may have been considered and for whatever reason was deemed infeasible.


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Posted by reality
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 17, 2009 at 6:56 pm

The owners of the Domus property and the Round Table property have firmly rejected the prospect of having the ice rink on their property. It is not an option so please stop suggesting it be there.
They do not want it and that is their right.

The San Francisco property across from the Libray is not an option either. We do not own it.

I still think it will be a fun time for all. Just try to enjoy it.


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Posted by hhr
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 17, 2009 at 7:04 pm

I hope that by next year it gets moved to another location. The sports park would be ideal. The city should consider it.


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Posted by Huh
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 17, 2009 at 7:32 pm

So you're calling it a fiasco before the rink even opens? What if it becomes a big hit, makes some money for the local schools' enrichment fund, brings families and neighbors together for an afternoon or evening of fun, and gives the kids (accompanied by parents) something fun and local to do over the winter break?

I mean, really, What IF?


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Posted by westsider
a resident of Highland Oaks
on Nov 18, 2009 at 1:33 pm

Wow, thanks 'huh.' You're a breath of fresh air here. I'm with you: let's give it a chance, it might actually be a great thing for kids and families and the schools. What IF?


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Posted by mdp
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 18, 2009 at 5:56 pm

What IF next year they move this rink to a larger place with more parking space. Then they can build a larger rink that will accommodate more people, and parking won't be a nightmare.

I feel for older folks and people with mobility problems having to carry a pile of books for blocks to get to their cars.

This is the most inconsiderate decision by the city towards library users. It's bad enough during the Fair with all the parking abuse, and now this for at least 2 months!

I urge people not happy with this to make sure and write the city and voice your concerns.


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