Posted by Ann, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Nov 9, 2009 at 4:15 pm
They ought to put him on the next boat and send him back where he came from. I had a friend who witness the situation and she and her daughter was very scared. Sounds fishy when the family says he needs an intrepretor because he's only been here a few months, yet he can work the kiosk @ the mall. Typical they probably want a public defender too..
Posted by Julie, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 9, 2009 at 4:43 pm Julie is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
It all sounds weird. My first thought was also "how can he work at the mall and yet need an interpreter?" And, why would multiple people call 911 if his behavior was being exaggerated?
I'm not much into the "put him on the next boat back where he came from" mentality though. What if it were a white guy who did it? None of my grandparents were born here - they were all immigrants. You'd never know it to look at me though as I'm white, blonde hair and blue eyed!
Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community, on Nov 9, 2009 at 4:51 pm
acgov.org still lists the charge against Hamid as a 422.6(a), misdemeanor hate crime
PENAL CODE SECTION 422.6(A): Provides it is a misdemeanor to interfere by force or threat of force with a person's statutory or constitutional rights because of a person's race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, sex, disability, or sexual orientation.
Posted by Original Joe, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Nov 9, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Well somebody sure AINT TELLIN' THE TRUTH!
From the original post on NOV.5 "Co-workers told police that Hamid's actions were out of the ordinary and that he had worked at a kiosk near Starbucks for years." Now his family says he's only been here for a few months and needs an interp. ? Maybe they're all "politically incorrect".
Posted by MainStreetDiva, a member of the Vintage Hills Elementary School community, on Nov 9, 2009 at 6:34 pm MainStreetDiva is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Wait a minute. My daughter can't find a job in the mall even after living here for 15 years, but someone who "just got here" and "is still learning the language & the laws" was hired? Gimme a break.
There is so much conflicting information that the whole thing sounds fishy. Is he new, or has he been working here for years? And was it just a simple accident, or did he deliberately lash out at someone?
Posted by Ann, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Nov 9, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Have no mercy? What are you talking about? Tell the families of 911 that one and see what there response would be. I suppose you feel mercy for the major in the army at Ft Hood also? Too bad he didnt die like the ones he killed.
Julie my grandparents also were not from this country, HOWEVER, my dad, aunts and uncles all learned the language of english. They were not put in a special English as a 2nd language class.
Posted by Original Joe, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Nov 9, 2009 at 6:55 pm
MainSt.Diva...Maybe your daughter isn't "politically correct" enough to have a job at the mall. Maybe she should try the Post Office for Christmas rush...Oh!, how stupid of me, they don't hire "born here" at the Post Office. I'm being politically incorrect, aren't I? But its the damn truth.
Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore, on Nov 9, 2009 at 8:38 pm
get a grip ann...there's no need to run around screaming like a banshee...
the whole story re: ft. hood is not in...the incident is not about muslims...
wars spill over and their are consequence for everybody...nobody is gonna get of this war without a scratch...
i would never have thought that you are such a hawk...don't forget, tens of thousands of innocent civilians have been murdered by us forces and all those wmd still haven't been found...have you forgotten?
my postman was born and raised in the good ole USA! YUP...that's a fact!!!
Posted by MainStreetDiva, a member of the Vintage Hills Elementary School community, on Nov 10, 2009 at 9:01 am MainStreetDiva is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Cholo: Down boy, down. Sit.....stay. Good. ;)
Go ahead and attack me personally any way you want to! You do anyway! But please don't slam my daughter.
Rather than continue to attempt to hijack this thread, being the nasty 'hyena' that I am... :) ....I think I'll start a new topic called "Where can teenagers find part-time work?" Maybe we could get some leads for local part-time jobs for the holiday season.
By the way, my postal carrier is born-and-raised American. And a great guy at that!
Posted by Toni, a resident of the Vineyard Hills neighborhood, on Nov 10, 2009 at 9:45 am
I cannot believe what I have read here. And we call ourselves Americans. Someone was slandering him, not him slandering the customer. Until he was verbally attacked did he react as any person would do if it were them.
Posted by Frank, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Nov 10, 2009 at 10:20 am
Thank you Toni- finally a comment that's on topic, with an explanation that's not only plausible, but probable. It's quite likely he was taunted by people who are bigoted and intolerant like most of the people leaving comments here today. Please remember that America is a "melting pot" and unless you are Native American you have no reason to cry.
Posted by Me, a resident of the Walnut Hills neighborhood, on Nov 10, 2009 at 10:53 am
I have lived in Pleasanton for 31 years and I am embarrassed by some of your comments. You are my neighbors? WOW. Now at the age of 35, I have had enough common sense and education to wait for the whole story. The family's story does not make sense. His actions do not make sense. I know if someone taunted me at the mall, I would react but not with violence. My sharp tongue is enough retaliation.
I'd like to think of us as a great salad not a melting pot but I get what you are saying Frank.
Posted by SteveP, a resident of the Parkside neighborhood, on Nov 10, 2009 at 11:25 am SteveP is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Not surprising that the bleeding hearts have come out of the woodwork, making excuses for the mall-jihadist.
So, Frank, in the name of political correctness, it's apparently OK for a foreigner to attack a mall patron for some alleged insult, while holding a pen in a fist threateningly over his head, while yelling "Allah is power" and "Islam is great"?
This is OK with you and does not make him a criminal and threat to sane people in Pleasanton? I'd love to see you on the receiving end of this attack and see if you're so passive, permissive and tolerant.
Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community, on Nov 10, 2009 at 11:59 am
Yeah Toni and Frank, because we always see those nutty Christians down at the mall taunting people of Arabic descent.
So whatever happened, we do know that people were frightened and hiding and dialing 911, and when the PD arrived they thought the guy was whacked out enough so that they took him initially for a 5150. Subsequent to that, the DA has put a hate crime charge on the case.
I think this is something different from the retaliation to taunting you are describing, and excusing as well? And even if that IS the case, what happened to sticks and stones? Christians are expected to turn the other cheek. What does the Quran instruct?
Posted by 2ME4U, a resident of the Carlton Oaks neighborhood, on Nov 10, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Cry for God people and many of the people on this forum seem to be capable of taunting and many do. You just don't do it in person, you type it secretly from a seat in your office or home. I don't know what really happened and I'm proud to say I don't act like I do.
Posted by Julie, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 10, 2009 at 5:53 pm Julie is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
"So, Frank, in the name of political correctness, it's apparently OK for a foreigner to attack a mall patron for some alleged insult, while holding a pen in a fist threateningly over his head, while yelling "Allah is power" and "Islam is great"?"
What makes you sound racist SteveP is the fact that you feel the need to use the word "foreigner". Where I come from it isn't okay for ANYONE to attack a mall patron for some alleged insult! And also where I come from, it isn't okay to insult someone based on their race/culture/gender/religion/etc. Given the comments here I wouldn't be shocked if the "alleged" insult was an "actual" insult.
Posted by 2ME4U, a resident of the Carlton Oaks neighborhood, on Nov 10, 2009 at 6:23 pm
A problem with "liberals" is the belief that they can change things with truth and uderstanding. Truth is these people will never be changed and don't even understand that they are bigoted. They think they see the real world and know the truth. I have yet to see one person on this forum swayed to another side of the Republican/Democrat or racist/humanist or any other side of the fence they started on.
Anyway I support your beliefs Julie, Sal, Me, Frank, Toni, etc. but not your efforts to convince these hate filled people.
Posted by SteveP, a resident of the Parkside neighborhood, on Nov 11, 2009 at 9:10 am SteveP is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Julie, Sal, et al.....so, you still continue to attack me and claim that this (apparently now non-English speaking) Christian hater is justified in attacking a person wearing a crucifix? Who's the hater?
Your positions condone violence against Christians, even if there was some insult hurled at this nutcase. Those of you that have children teach your kids it's OK to hit someone if say something to you that offends you ideaology?
If I see this situation as wrong and it makes me a bigot so be it. It's scary to think you folks think your position is correct and moral....sad and amazing. Don't hurt yourself bending over backwards to support multiculturalism...this is what you get.
Posted by 2ME4U, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Nov 11, 2009 at 10:27 am
You guys win. I lose. Christians never do anything wrong and all Muslims are future terrorists. I condoned violence against Christians but not against other human beings. The only hate filled people are Muslims, all Christians are full of pure love. White peole that call themselves Christian have never committed a mass killing as bad or worse than at Ft. Hood or DC sniper. Good job!
Posted by Me, a resident of the Walnut Hills neighborhood, on Nov 11, 2009 at 11:40 am
@2Me4U: Are we related? The sarcasm sounds very familial to me. Don't you like it when they assumed we condoned the hitting of another person? Closed minded people often see and hear what they want to hear and see.
Posted by 2ME4U, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Nov 11, 2009 at 11:54 am
Since a true debate with give and take leading to a greater understanding is impossible, I gave up. I will not indite all people of a 'type' because of the actions of a few. I tried hating everyone that looked like Tim McVeigh, but it was to hard to hate the man in the mirror. So easy for others to hate and condem all people that look diffrently then themselves or pray to a god of a diffrent name. But since I have now been converted I will burn all my Muhamed Ali memorabilia. He's black, Muslim and fought against our country and the war that was more important than Americans lives called Viet Nam. Look what happened when we gave up, it became a poplular tourist destination. Anyway I also must now condem all Pleasantonians for the few remarks here on the forum I disagree with. I will soon hate everyone, wish me luck!
Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community, on Nov 11, 2009 at 12:19 pm
a true debate with give and take, so far 4U that has consisted of trying to compare cry to God people exercising free speech rights (in perhaps the most annoying way possible) to an alledged physical assault based on religious beliefs.
Then you come up with the gem, "Truth is these people will never be changed and don't even understand that they are bigoted". Maybe try applying that statement to these islamic fascists who would see this country and all who don't believe what they believe destroyed, even if it means their own destruction, i.e. suicide bombers and the 12th imam.
News for U from ME: When U dismiss those who are disagreeing with U as hate filled people, it is not give and take.
Posted by Frank, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Nov 11, 2009 at 1:48 pm
As usual, we've completely lost sight of the topic at hand, and degraded into our "debate" between the "hate filled" and the "bleeding hearts". If I remember right, this was about some guy at a mall. It doesn't appear that any of us were at the mall that day, so should we just leave it at that?........no, I didn't think so. Maybe the guy was taunted- maybe he wasn't. Maybe he intended to go on a killing spree with a ball point pen- maybe not. Maybe he is some kind of religious extremist (which there are some- OF ALL FAITHS)- or maybe just some guy pushed into defending his beliefs. I honestly don't know as I wasn't there, and am not pretending that I was. I do know that violence on his or anyone else's part is wrong, and taunting and intolerance on his or anyone else's part is wrong. I also know that not all Muslims are terrorists, just as not all of us Christians are abortion clinic bombers, etc.. I guess until we see all of the facts, we won't know, and hopefully won't let prejudices and stereotypes form our opinions ahead of time. Oh, and for the record, if I don't condone violence or intolerance am I a "hater" or a "bleeding heart"?
Posted by 2ME4U, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Nov 11, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Jim01 - If you read my post again you will see I compared the Cry to God people to the possible taunters of the man arrested. People claimed nobody would taunt people based on religious beliefs and I mentioned the CRY to God people as taunters(Not to this man maybe but they taunt people and their religious beliefs right here in P-Town). Secondly I don't support fascist of any religion or nationality. Thirdly we have friends and relatives going over there and dieing to protect us, and 'them', even though it might mean their own destruction. "They" are not the only ones willing to die to protect what they believe and I mean that with respect for all our soldsiers that risk their lives. I also don't dismiss those that disagree with me, I concede I don't have the ability to sway your opinion. It's not just this post but many here on the forum that say things condeming Muslims. If you don't know what I'm talking about you haven't read all the posts on all the threads about this and the Fort Hood incident.
Frank - Well said, I don't know what really happened, but believe the people wanting to ship him back to where he came from, etc. feel they do.
Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community, on Nov 11, 2009 at 8:35 pm
I read your posts again, and I think you are covering your tracks. You put up the cry for God people for an attack, and now you are saying 'People claimed nobody would taunt people'. Since you were the first to bring the C2 God people into it, who was claiming no one would taunt the Muslim extremist in the mall based on their Christian beliefs?
Then you add an insult to all of our troops on Veterans Day, using my terminology to reference our soldiers fighting terrorism and preserving freedom? There is wrong and right, I do not think you will find many people in your corner on that statement.
Absolutely no doubt, it is dismissive to call those on the other side of a debate "these hate filled people" based on the limited comments you have read. Your sarcastic comments tell exactly what your feelings are, even if you are going to backtrack now.
Even forgetting all that, show me who are the "many here on the forum that say things condemning Muslims"? Your statement implies that someone here is making blanket statements 'condemning Muslims'.
The problem with your humanist beliefs and seeking greater understanding is the enemies of freedom killing our soldiers don't care about that stuff. That is what I meant when I said to apply your statement to the Islamic fascists.
Posted by Jerry, a resident of the Oak Hill neighborhood, on Nov 12, 2009 at 1:12 am
2ME4U wrote:(Referencing Vietnam)" Look what happened when we gave up, it became a popular tourist destination"...
Not before thousands of its people were massacred and/or tortured for refusing indoctrination into the communist way of life(remember the attempts of the "Vietnamese Boat People" to escape???). How soon we forget...
Posted by 2ME4U, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Nov 12, 2009 at 7:42 am
Jim - It was you ya d-bag, "...because we always see those nutty Christians down at the mall taunting people of Arabic descent." You stated that and I understood your sarcasim. I'm not back tracking or covering my tracks (are you track obssesed?) Anyway I will try to compile a list of statements here on the forum that condem Muslims when I have time, since you need Cliff notes. I'm not going to address the rest you are moronic and wouldn't understand if I spoon fed you the information.
Jerry - Are you for the U.S. going into every counrtry where their people are being killed? Darfur, etc? If you are you have a point about Viet Nam. If we are the police of the world that's one thing. I personally would rather have them killing them, then them killing my Uncle etc. That's not right maybe but I bet if we started killing each other in the same way the rest of the world would sit back and watch.
Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community, on Nov 12, 2009 at 9:58 am
Ok, I am starting to understand, based on my sarcastic comment you came up with 'People claimed nobody would taunt people'. I have been reading the report of what happened and following up with looking at the court records to figure out what is going on.
So now I am a d-bag and a moron.
Ok, I am starting to understand why you support people like Toni when they presume "Someone was slandering him, not him slandering the customer" and justifying Walid's actions, saying "Until he was verbally attacked did he react as any person would do" when that is completely indefensible.
So 'any person' would react to verbal taunts with actions that caused responding Police to take him for a psychiatric evaluation? I mean, cmon.
Oh, BTW, looking at acgov court records, Abdul Hamid is no longer listed as an inmate at Santa Rita. He's made bail, perhaps?
Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community, on Nov 12, 2009 at 10:09 am
Yeah, Jerry, you just need to learn the way to greater understanding. Those communists who drove people to the desperate measure of escaping their home country by boat were only lacking compassion, sooner or later, they all come around, and everyone can live in peace and harmony.
That Castro regime in Cuba certainly has worked out well for those folks, none of them are desperate to escape that island.
And I am certain if we just pull out of Afghanistan and ignore the region, there is no chance Al Qaeda and the Taleban will get their hands on Pakistan's nukes or give us any more trouble. Those guys just need some alone time to read the Quran a few more times and gain greater understanding, no doubt they will soon stop polluting the world with heroin subjugating women, grant all people their personal dignity and stop slaughtering infidels.
Posted by Birdy, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Nov 12, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Speaking for 2ME4U here...As you know some of the OP have been taken down on the subject, and of corse some responce posts have been pulled but here are a few comments that Jim doesn't find offensive or doesn't think exist...
at the mall - the muslims would have already burned the mall to the ground
Itīs not the man itīs the religion. Believe me that behaviour is already normal
local police should nail him by a very "sensitive" part of his body to an old barn and then hand him a dull rusty knife as they set it on fire
[Post removed due to disrespectful comment or offensive language]
The point would have been better made though with all the posts to pull from but after a PW filtering there's less to pick from.
Posted by Birdy, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Nov 12, 2009 at 1:22 pm
The PW sure has gone through the posts on the topic and did quite a cleaning. If you look at the huge number of "Portion of post removed because of disrespectful comment" you will maybe understand that things have been said that were awful. My favorite though that is still up is...
"we have to tolerate them in schools, stores, and soon we will have to take crosses off of churches"
Sounds bad if you believe in judging a person individually by their own merits. It also shows that if that's still up how bad were the things that were removed. 2ME4U you are on the right side of the issue, admitting you don't know what really happened is truthful and honest. I also agree people pick and choose on what they think merits U.S. intervention, Darfur is a perfect example. We know genocide is going on at a higher number of deaths than Viet Nam, but we stay out. Why? I believe I know, but ask yourself why.
Posted by 2ME4U, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Nov 12, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Wow thanks for doing the work for me Birdy (maybe reason runs in Birland) and yes PW has cleaned up a big bigoted mess. New comments are popping up still like,
" the big difference is that Hamid apparently subscribes to an ideology that espouses the murder of non-believers."
This theological scholar really has done his homework. Can we agree that "On my side" I have some pie in the sky, overly hopeful, pot smoking, idealists and on "your side" you have some close minded, bigoted, xenophobic, hate filled people. I'm not saying I or Jim or Birdy is either but I'll take my sides idiots over yours.
Posted by Jerry, a resident of the Oak Hill neighborhood, on Nov 13, 2009 at 1:52 am
I think if one reviewed history, they would find the reason the U.S. went into Viet Nam was because the communist north invaded the south, not because people were being killed by their own countrymen. I think history will also show the slaughter in Viet Nam took place in the time frame of immediately after the U.S. left and the place becoming a "popular tourist destination". I think I've heard it refered to as "cleansing"...
Birdy, I agree Darfur is a disgrace to mankind and my heart aches for the people. If I'm not mistaken, the U.S. coaxed the African Union into sending a peace keeping force into Darfur which lead to more suffering, as the A.U. "peace keepers" raped and pillaged the villages and refuge camps, as well as taking the relief supplies(sent by the U.S. and other western countries)for themselves and the assorted Warlords that control the region. I would ask - where are the U.N. "peace keepers"???
I'm of the opinion one primary reason no one cares what's happening in Darfur is that the region has nothing of value(oil, minerals, ect.)the rest of the world needs. The world should be ashamed(that includes the U.S.)...
I'm not one that believes the U.S. should be the world's police force but I do believe in honoring mutual security treaties, such as we have with South Korea and Japan, as well as taking whatever action is necessary to protect the citizens of this country(whenever and wherever)...
Posted by Judy, a resident of Dublin, on Nov 15, 2009 at 2:04 am
I was married to a Muslim. He was actually an ok guy, pretty even keel, cal;m, not out to take out any non-Muslims and all that.
That being said I learned some things about Muslims. If you are Arab, black, white, Armenian, Russian, Asian, or whatever you are, if you are Muslim, you are one of them and they don't look at or care about color, ethnicity or national origin. If you are not Muslim, you are "other" and going to hell. That's it there is no grey areas, it is all black or white.
Even the ones like my ex-husband have been so indoctrinated in their religion that they refuse to even listen, much less consider other points of view. Anything but what they believe is wrong. They are mostly ill informed about other religions. They have a kind of skewed concept of them (particularly Christianity in my experience) and even when you try to explain it to them (soley for their edification) they refuse to listen.
I finally told him that he had been ill informed and I thought Islam directs its followers to LEARN things and that if he was a good Muslim he would listen and learn the accurate information. Something as "simple" as the concept of the Trinity was taught to him wrong and I had to explain how it supposedly works. His instructors didn't understand it and managed to pass down poor information to their students.
Posted by 2ME4U, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Nov 15, 2009 at 8:10 am
Don't Christians believe you are going to hell if you are not Christian? I think that's basic to most religious beliefs as in "We are right, they are wrong, truth and salvation can only be found in our way."
Posted by Really?, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 15, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Oh they definitely do! I went to a service with a friend and was shocked by what was being preached. My friend was a Christian and was trying to convince me to convert (I'm Catholic) because she feared for me since I was going to hell. When I went to the service- the message was screamed by the preacher that unless those of us in the audience accepted Jesus as our Saviour we would spend eternity in the fires of Hell. It was well described what the fires would feel like, and I noticed young kids crying, scared by this screaming preacher. It did not matter that I have spent the last 40 years going to mass weekly, volunteering through my church, that I was baptized, confirmed, etc. They were the only passage way to heaven. The rest of us were nothing.
Now that is a group that I truly fear. Especially their involvement in Government!