AARP Betrayal of Trust finally official State, National, International, posted by Ken in South Pleasanton, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Nov 5, 2009 at 2:50 pm
I received an email from AARP with the title "Today we took a stand for you". With friends like this, who needs enemies? Time to cancel membership and find a group that cares about the long-term impact of legislation on the welfare of our nation and personal freedoms.
My response to AARP:
Thanks for nothing Barry,
All during this debate AARP has supported the legislation making its way through Washington, despite numerous denials to the contrary. When I logon to the AARP site, the only opportunity I have to express my opinion is by clicking on a button YOU provide that is in support of this disastrous legislation. If AARP really represented us, you would have had the decency to at least put up the appearance of wanting our real reaction to legislation. The hard work of your staff in analyzing the legislation has amounted to nothing more than propaganda in favor of the legislation. Instead you chose to side with the spending large amounts of our tax dollars on a program that has as one of its goals the reduction of Medicare and Medicaid payments, driving those who depend on those payments into a government system that will ration healthcare to the detriment of all. Furthermore, as a retired person, why should I be asked to fund elective abortions and health care to illegal (sorry, undocumented) aliens? Today, you have betrayed us by taking a stand that hurts seniors and avoids the opportunity to make focused changes to our healthcare system that would be less costly, create less bureaucracy in Washington, and leave the responsibility for healthcare options to the patient, not the government. Shame on you and all your supporters for such short-sighted, self-serving grandstanding.
Here's the text of the email for anyone with a stomach strong enough to read it. Notice how many times they provide a one-click button to tell someone you approve, but never provide a button to oppose. This has been the case on their website ever since the debate began.
The House votes this week on a final health reform bill!
The bill contains a number of critical components that AARP fought hard for to ensure it improves the health of our members and their families.
Click here to ask your representative to support the bill.
Over the last several months, AARP has fought hard for crucial components of health reform that will improve the health and lives of our members and their families.
The House of Representatives will vote on a final bill this week that includes key priorities for older Americans.
That's why we've chosen to support the legislation about to be voted on by the House the Affordable Health Care for America Act. We believe it protects and strengthens Medicare, and ensures that your care will never take a back seat to insurance companies' profits.
Click here to tell Rep. McNerney to vote for health reform and help us move this legislation one big step closer to becoming a reality.
Ill be the first to admit that the bill isn't perfect. But there are so many provisions that would make our broken system work better for older Americans, critical components that AARP fought hard for, such as:
Ensuring seniors' access to doctors so they can see the doctor of their choice or find a doctor if they need one;
Preventing insurance companies from denying affordable coverage to anyone because of their health or their age;
Saving seniors from having to pay thousands in out-of-pocket costs for their prescription drugs by closing the Medicare Part D coverage gap, or "doughnut hole"; and
Ensuring that people who already have coverage through their employers, including retirees, dont lose that coverage.
We know that critics and special interests will try to derail this legislation. They will probably even attack AARP for supporting this bill. From my perspective, I couldn't be prouder of the work I see AARP staff putting in to analyze legislation, advocate on your behalf, and constantly evaluate ways to help improve the health of older Americans.
But this isn't and shouldn't be about us. This moment is about reform that improves the health and lives of our members and their families. And, in the end, it won't be the words of the television talking heads or the newspapers or even AARP that will ring in your member of Congress' head when it's time to vote tomorrow. It will be YOURS.
Tell Rep. McNerney to support reform and cast a vote to pass this crucial bill.
As we near the final, most difficult stages of this process, thanks in advance for all your help to ensure that Congress passes reform that works for older Americans.
Posted by John Campbell, a resident of another community, on Nov 5, 2009 at 4:56 pm
This looks like a California site, but I found you and I am in Maryland. However, I am less than merry about Barry Rand and his representing my AARP membership as supporting this legislation. Has he even read the bill?--all gazillon pages?--and where did all those testimonials come from?-- I didn,t get one!--maybe they were sent to reegistered Dems! It's time AARP allowed FEEDBACK that is direct and unslanted. Thanks for letting me vent.
Posted by Karen, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 5, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Actually, I'm glad that AARP is representing so many of us who have been denied health insurance. There's no where to go after COBRA except for California's Guaranteed Issue and my insurance broker has told me that I will be paying about $1200 a month just for my own individual coverage (not a family plan). I don't usually talk to anyone about this problem but I'm just discovering recently that there are a lot of people in my predicament. Anyone who thinks they are not immune to losing their job and health insurance is just kidding themselves...job losses and major illnesses and accidents can happen to anyone at any time...to decent, hard working poeple. Everyone is vulnerable - even people who are in unions and think they have iron-clad benefits. There's no such thing as a sure thing...
Posted by Daniel, a resident of another community, on Nov 5, 2009 at 8:00 pm
I've resigned my membership in AARP. This isn't about what's in it for you and me; it's about the spending that is going to cripple our kids and their kids. There are many intelligent alternatives to socialized medicine, starting with torte reform, that could cover those who are not covered. It seems that the concept of spending is lost on those on the receiving end.
Posted by !, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 5, 2009 at 8:29 pm
I for one am losing all hope for the future. The democrats have zapped my interest in life, my optimism, my hope for a modest retirement and my hope that my only daughter (a tween) will have a promising future. She'll be burdened with tremendous debt and will never be able to overcome it. If both nationalized healthcare and cap and trade are passed, I honestly don't think there will be much of a future for anyone in the U.S. given the chaos and unemployment that will result. We'll be forced to look outside the US and there are not many options where freedom and capitalism reside.
Now that the democrats have total power, we are witnessing what damage it can do to America and to our motivation to succeed.
Tuesday's conservative victories were my "hope and change" however I am afraid that at the rate Obama is destroying this country, in three more years of his term, America will be completely destroyed.
Posted by Stay Cool, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 5, 2009 at 8:58 pm Stay Cool is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
I am not in any way trying to start a debate, but only to offer perspective - the way you describe how you feel now is *exactly* the way I felt when Bush was elected. Expecting my first child, I was full of despair that someone whose policies and philosophy represented almost everything I opposed was President. I felt that way for eight years. By the time he left, the country was in shambles in many arenas. For the first time in eight years, I feel peace. For the first time since becoming a parent, I feel peace. So realize that what seems like it should work to you is a nightmare for others, and vice versa, and hopefully we can meet in the middle across terms to do what's best for most.
Posted by !, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 5, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Not debating you. I just acknowledge that it must have been sheer hell for you to live here under Bush...since you don't seem to appreciate capitalism and freedom.
America was certainly not the place to live pre-Obama with those two ideals. Now that Obama is having his way, destroying capitalism and freedom, I can understand how you are sleeping better...that is until we're all living in chaos when there is no more food in the grocery stores, no more jobs, inflation in this country is the level of Zimbabwe, and you can't even see your doc (who is an imported MD from Zaire because there are a shortage of US educated docs). (Oh...you probably could receive medical assistance if it is determined that you are a democrat and have donated substantial sums to Obama's campaign.)
Sleep well for now. Soon even the democrats may wake up to the mess Obama's socialist/marxist/communist policies have caused.
Posted by Karen, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 5, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Tort Reform (no "e" on the end...that's a food item) has nothing to do with insurance coverage...Tort reform refers to placing limits on the amount of money people could recover from insurance companies when they sue their physicians and hospitals for wrong-doing. It does not assure anyone of having health insurance. Passing legislation only on tort reform would just line the pockets of insurance company executives (and major shareholders) who already receive huge bonuses while their average employees (people like us) receive very low wages. Somehow, I don't think that's exactly what you want.
Please, don't be led around by someone else. Study the issue carefully and read a lot to be fully informed. We need to pass this legislation because average Americans will soon have so few dollars to spend on anything other than health care that they will not be able to spend on housing, consumer goods, food, entertainment, clothing etc. etc. etc. and our economy will TANK for our children. Our own family currently spends $1736. every month just on health insurance and we all have deductibles of $2500 each. Our children will have no future because there will be no one with enough money to buy their goods and services and no businesses robust enough to employ them! The bill before Congress imposes an extra 5% tax on couples making over 1 million a year (an extra $50K a year) - is that you??? probably not ...so why are you falling for the line of bs being thrown around by the insurance industry and high wage earners who are running the opposition to health reform? They don't want to pay an extra $5% tax so they are riling up people who are falling for their bs. (Excuse me) This legislation is an opportunity to reduce health costs for the average American so that they have enough money left over from their monthly budget to buy goods and services from one another and keep each other in business and keep all of us in our jobs!!!
It is amazing to see the brainwashing that seems to be going on. Take a class in economics so you can avoid shooting yourself and your kids in the foot !
Posted by !, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 5, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Oh...please clarify where our country was in shambles under Bush. I seem to remember the shambles of 911. Are you saying that Bush caused that? Oh yes, there was Katrina. Bush caused that, right? Then all the UN resolutions that Sadaam broke still should not have warranted the consequences he received from us, correct? All those millions of people he tortured and killed was just their problem, correct? He was never going to attack the US, correct?
Since you've revealed that you are a young mom, I would hope you'd wish a better future for your child than the one he/she will have thanks to Obama and your democrat admIn czar comrade, given that you child(ren) will be hit with enormous taxes to pay off an insurmountable debt...that is if there are any jobs left for him/her. Stay healthy too...otherwise Obama's review panel will deem you are not worth the medical expense to keep around.
Posted by !, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 6, 2009 at 6:16 am
Stay Cool...the fact that you are sleeping better now -- given that
unemployment is skyrocketing, our inalienable rights are being taken away or threatened every day,our national defense is being weakened,
our goal of achieving energy independence is becoming more unrealistic everyday, having free and fair elections (read ACORN and the increase in illegal aliens), the increase in Islamic influence (sharia law, banking, schooling, population increases), our taxes are skyrocketing, and on and on...
leads me to believe that you have more in common with America's enemies than with mainstream America.
Posted by !, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 6, 2009 at 7:20 am
SC: You made a statement that you have not yet backed up. You said that Bush's eight years left this country in shambles. But I am trying to find evidence the shambles. You owe the readers and me some evidence.
Are you referring to the financial collapse that started with Carter's Community Redevelopment Act which was increased exponentially under Clinton. Then the Bush Admin tried to warn Congress about the problems with FannieMae and Freddie Mac...but Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, plus Obama and others dismissed these allegations.
Yes, Bush contributed to the bailouts ... which was not a conservative thing to do. And I had a big problem with his position on the bailouts.
I do wish Bush had used his veto power more re: spending...but we had a war do deal with...unlike Clinton who avoided these hard decisions.
It is when conservatives deviate with the principles of their party that America suffers.
Posted by Dominic, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Nov 6, 2009 at 9:19 am
It is foolish and short-sighted to think the AARP is representing those who have been denied health insurance...of course that is how they spin it...fact is, they were bought off by the Obama Adminsistration and stand to recieve very large sums of money if this bill passes...I pay booocooo bucks right now for health insurance so if government option health insurance was a good thing I would be for it. It is a very bad thing for most americans including the elderly...Let's wake up and look into the facts rather than let organizations like the AARP think for us...we can't trust them...
Posted by No Loons, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 6, 2009 at 9:21 am
AARP has always been in bed with the left-wing loons - its just that they have become increasingly more open about it. They are supporting Obamacare for two reasons:
1) They are left-wing loons and support conversion of this country to socialism.
2) They are one of the largest providers of supplemental insurance to those on Medicare. The cutting of Medicare benefits under Obamacare will be a boon to them.
I have not torn up my AARP card. I still use it for receiving discounts. I just simply quit paying for AARP membership. That's a win-win stategy.
Everyone should be calling and e-mailing Pelosi's lapdog McNerney and letting him know if he votes for Obamacare he will be out on his posterior come next November. Then call the vial, evil Pelosi's office, play like your from San Francisco, and let her know your thoughts in vivid prose.
Posted by Dublinmike, a resident of Dublin, on Nov 6, 2009 at 10:01 am
! , our economy went to hell under Bush's watch, technically.
I read up on Herbert Hoover this last year (the President before FDR) and was surprised in the similarities to Bush's administration. Generally, their view about how to help the American economy was to do nothing. Let capitalism take it's natural course and he also assumed that American industrialists would know how to fix the problem.
Please, do not assume that I am tearing down Hoover as that he was a good man, just looking at the way he thought best to handle the American crises after the Wall Street crash of 1929.
Posted by Stay Cool, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 6, 2009 at 10:02 am Stay Cool is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Happy to respond to your request for clarification. However, I don't want to continue to divert the discussion from Ken's original topic regarding the AARP, so I will start another thread on the subject.
Posted by No Loons, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 6, 2009 at 10:11 am
The last election was a disaster for Republicans because so many independent voters drank Obama's kool-aid. They got caught up in his rock-start aura, and didn't didn't bother to look at his background and voting record (what little their was of it). Now they realize they elected a Socialist or Communist (depending on just how far left you think his brand of left-wing loonism is). Couple that with the other two stooges, Pelosi and Reid, and you have a trio that are scaring the c**p out of people. That's why even the independents and for than a few left-wing loons voted against the left-wing loon candidates for Govenor of New Jersey and Virgina.
Posted by Give me a break!, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 6, 2009 at 10:27 am
I always think it is amazing that Bush was in office for 8 years leading us into huge debit, but after 8 years of power, this country's problems are all Clinton's fault...except for the ones that are Obama's... even though he has been in office only 8 months. Apparently, Bush did nothing, which would all be funny if Bush hadn't been the single most disastrous president to ever serve. He did much more harm to this country domestically and globally than Saddam ever would have. As much as some of you would like to erase everything that Bush did to harm this country and blame it on Clinton and Bush, it is total delusional. Maybe Isaac is right about the Koolaide.
Posted by Give me a break!, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 6, 2009 at 10:36 am
To drop to your level, maybe the ole "it takes was to know one" is appropriate...you sure sound like one..look up rational thinking and logic in the dictionary and see if you can train your brain to adopt some.
Posted by Anothermember, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 6, 2009 at 10:43 am
Don't know why everyone is getting so upset - you are all missing the point. The whole problem with medical care is greed - nothing else. Fix the stupidity of allowing people to charge whatever they want and forcing you to have to pay it through your premiums.
Posted by RS, a resident of the Pleasanton Valley neighborhood, on Nov 6, 2009 at 11:00 am
When GOVERNMENT TAKES 500 BILLION OUT OF MEDICARE, PUTS IN A GOVERMENT OPTION, IN WHICH WILL BE BANKRUPT IN 5 YEARS JUST LIKE SOCIAL SECUIRTY, MEDICARE, POST OFFICE, FANNIE MAE, FREDDIE MAC, FHA, SEC GET 2 BILLION MORE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T DO THEIR JOB. WAKE UP FIRE ALL INCUMBENTS DEMOCRATES AND REPUBLICANS WHO DID NOT DO THEIR JOB BOTH FEDERAL, STATE AND COUNTY, AND ANYONE WHO VOTES FOR THIS HEALTH CARE BILL. WERE WATCHING YOU CONGRESSMAN. THE AARP IS A CORRUPT ORGANIZATION, JUST LIKE ACORN. WHAT WERE THEY PROMISED BY THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION?
Posted by Judy, a resident of the Pleasanton Valley neighborhood, on Nov 6, 2009 at 11:26 am
We are already paying for health care in emergency rooms, where people are so sick they take big bucks to help. Sensible programs, with reasonable prices, will help us all. I'm on Medicare, with Kaiser, but there was a time when private insurance costs would have been disastrous for me. Bring on Medicare for all.
Posted by Connie, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Nov 6, 2009 at 11:45 am
Karen, I would say you, not Daniel, are the one being led around and brainwashed. AARP has sent me everything for 10 yrs....they have me on their mailing list, so they likely COUNT me..against my will. THEY throw around phony, increased numbers. I don't want a forever bill to be about me. It should be what's SUSTAINABLE and for the good of AMERICA forever. Too many selfish & greedy only think about today. For example, I received a Soros funded MoveOn.org email last night(white house gave them my email). MoveOn is proudly making THREATS to DEMS congresspeople...threating to run candidates against them & spending any amount necessary to destroy all Congressmen who dare to vote no this current health bill, which is full of cr*p not fit for passing. The economic truth is the average American will go broke just paying the INTEREST on the debt this bill will accumulate once we start using it. People have to remember we ALL have to start paying for these first 5 years now before we even start to help the poor average America. Such costly, twisted deceiving of self and the country.
Posted by Connie, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Nov 6, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Actually, MoveOn said so far they had $3,578,117.00 for destroying Dems that delay the vote by daring to debate it further. Also,in MoveOn's email was thanks to dem organization 'Democracy for America' for sending an open letter to Senate Dems and Sen Dem Caucus leaders that any Dem Senator that dares to delay with deate...be stripped of all committee charimanships. So it looks like the Dem activists believe their elected congresspeople and senators can be 'led around by others' and borrowing Karen's words act "like cows coming home from the field, one following the other WITHOUT THINKING ". So America has zero chance of getting a meaningful bill that won't destroy America in the process.
Posted by Karen, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 6, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Connie- If this health reform bill passes:
1. Very high income earners (multimillionaires) will be doing the "heavy lifting" to pay for it through their increased taxes. That's why the "movers and shakers" don't want this bill passed. And
they are seeking your support. Hence, the organized tea parties.
2. Your tax bill will not go up if you are a moderate earner (do you make more than $500,000 as an individual???) but your medical bills and insurance premiums will go down.
3. You can keep your current doctors and insurance if you so desire.
4. You will have a few coins left over to buy some fun stuff and keep someone in their business and their job.
5. Your kids and grandkids will have enough left over to buy a home in the future and put their kids thru college instead of paying for medical insurance and expenses that will soar sky high if the current state of affairs continues. Their taxes will not go thru the roof unless they make a million bucks a year.