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Fox News is to journalism what professional wrestling is to sport

Original post made by Steven Y on Oct 20, 2009

You know how you can tell that Fox News Channel is a wingnut propaganda outfit? They collectively behave like whiny victims whenever they're called out. See also Rush Limbaugh. The far-right has this very un-manly reaction whenever attacked -- they play the hurt victim and refuse to own their very obvious shortcomings.

Fox News is to journalism what professional wrestling is to sport, regardless of whether we're talking about their news shows or their opinion shows. Admitting it's an act didn't really hurt wrestling and it probably won't hurt Fox News. But carrying on with the "But... but... We're fair and balanced!" act is like pro wrestling continuing to insist that the outcomes aren't predetermined and there's no steroids. When pro wrestling is more honest than a "news network," there's some serious deception going on.

And I agree with Cenk. The White House is right to point out the fact that Fox News isn't news. What's the harm? Attacking Fox News is certainly better than asking administration officials to resign who are named on the Glenn Beck Un-American Activities Committee.

Comments (25)

Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community
on Oct 20, 2009 at 9:35 am

jimf01 is a registered user.

Note to libtard posters. If you are going to cut and paste uninformed pablum directly from progressive blogs, at least change the names in the comments to make it appear you have an original thought to offer

"And I agree with Cenk"


Posted by poster boy, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 20, 2009 at 9:36 am

jimf01,

come on you know us libs do not read the stuff we just sign it and send it on its way.


Posted by Emily, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 20, 2009 at 11:32 am

I challenge those who are so quick to claim Fox News as worthless to actually watch the channel for a week. It should only take about 2 hours before you that little voice inside your head starts going, "uh oh...I never heard that before."

You are being completely duped by the MSM. To non-Fox viewers, if you think you are getting actual news from the networks or MSNBC, you are in for a pretty rude awakening. You're being led like sheep, listening only to what the powers that be want you to hear.

You really have no idea what is really going on around you.


Posted by SteveP, a resident of Parkside
on Oct 20, 2009 at 11:59 am

Good one, posterboy! And so true. I'm sure the 1500 + pages of the healthcare power grab bill will be read by every Dem member of Congress.....not!


Posted by yomama, a resident of Amador Estates
on Oct 20, 2009 at 12:35 pm

This article is to fact what Nadia Sulyman is to mentally healthy.


Posted by a reader, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 20, 2009 at 12:58 pm

Emily,

I have watched Fox for far more than a week, and I disagree. I remember Brit Hume "reporting" that the current financial crisis could have been prevented if congress had approved one or two of the proposed bills that would have added new regulations for Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac.

There were two major problems with the story.

1. He kept referring to a Democratic congress, but these bills were defeated in 2003 and 2005. In those years Republicans controlled both the Senate and the House of Representatives, so it was a Republican congress that defeated the bills. That was never mentioned and the story.

2. Stating as fact that the current economic crisis could have been averted had the legislation passed. First, that is clearly an opinion and not fact, and second it is a minority opinion to say the least. The biggest failure of the crisis was AIG, and AIG failed because of derivatives obligations, not mortgages.

Fox was clearly ran an opinion piece in this case as news. Fox news is by no means unbiased.


Posted by Emily, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 20, 2009 at 3:30 pm

A Reader,

So you've got one example of what you call an opinion piece and therefore you are labeling Fox as unbiased? You don't mention any other news organizations as being unbiased, just Fox. I wonder if you share the same opinion of MSNBC, NBC Nightly News, etc. If Fox is biased in your eyes, please tell me you don't think these outlets are beacons of fairness and balance.

If you have watched Fox like you said you have, you have to admit that they are very good about presenting both sides of the issues. I can't tell you how many times I have seen Bob Beckel debate Andrea Tantaros, or Juan Williams take on Newt Gingrich. Sean Hannity is forever inviting liberals to serve on his Great American panel. For crying out loud, did having Alan Combs as his partner for years not count for any kind of balance? Fox is atleast willing to allow both sides to present their positions.

Let me ask you this. When was the last time you saw the MSM lead with a story that was less than complimentary to the President, because there have been PLENTY of them! How long did it take NBC to report on ACORN? When did you learn about Van Jones and his communist ties? And if Glenn Beck is so wrong about everything he discusses on his show, where are all the facts that debunk his findings? Did Anita Dunn not say she admired Mao and boast about how the Obama administration controlled the media? Did Ron Bloom, the boy-man put in charge of rebuilding the manufacturing industry...after doing such a wonderful job with his role as Car Czar, not refer to the free market as a joke (or have you not heard about that one yet)? Did Mark Lloyd not lavish praise on Hugo Chavez and his "incredible revolution?" Do I even need to mention Wright, Ayers, and Chicago gang? One last question...if it weren't for Fox, would these stories ever have even come out??? Of course they wouldn't have, and if that doesn't send a chill up your spine I don't know what would.

The above examples of stories reported on Fox were the result of actual video of the people making the statements themselves. They are not opinion and they are not biased. The words are right out of the people's mouths themselves for you to hear and decide upon. Where was the "reporting" by the MSM on any of them? Why is the potential of a White House riddled with Marxist radicals not news-worthy to so-called "journalists?"

Fox News isn't perfect, but it most certainly is a news organization and a damn fine one at that. People inherently know when they are being deceived and lied to. That's why so many people are flocking to Fox from the MSM and other cable "news organizations".


Posted by Be Positive, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 20, 2009 at 6:27 pm

Really Emily, as you are entitled to your opinion about those who view certain channels, expect the opposite viewpoint about the ones you view from others.

It is funny how I feel the same way you do "You're being led like sheep, listening only to what the powers that be want you to hear".....only about Fox news! I sure wasn't hearing this kind of reporting from them the last 8 years.

It is a difference of opinions and we are all entitled to them, what worries me more than what "news" people are watching, is what this news is teaching you. And how it is teaching you to express yourself. The lack of respect for this country and the elected officials is a disgrace.

Look at your own words-"Why is the potential of a White House riddled with Marxist radicals not news-worthy to so-called "journalists?" Yes, you are entitled the freedom to say what you want, or repeat what you are hearing, and I am free to hear what you are saying as anti-American and disrespectful, and hateful to our country.

Hearing this kind of talk on a blog is to be expected, to hear it on TV day in and day out is outrageous. The anti-democratic movement that is looking for the failure of our President is seething with disrespect that is trickling down into our cities, our neighborhoods, and our children. We are becoming a society of blamers not doers. It has become more about "winning" and seeing others fail than addressing real solutions to solve our countries greatest issues.

I suggest turning the TV off altogether, listen to NPR or find a real source of non-partisan news and form your own opinions.


Posted by Joyce, a resident of Country Fair
on Oct 20, 2009 at 7:03 pm

This is worse than Nixon's enemy list of people who had done assorted acts..the list was Nixon's. This current attack from the White House is from Obama & his entire team for the single act of freedom of speech !! It's truly scary that they don't value freedom of speech. I DVR everything, I find it's amazing the 1/2 doz of administration staff all stupidly used the SAME words....like wonder boy had given they each a copy of a script to follow. Why is he / they so paranoid. If he is so afraid of Fox, how will he have the courage to destroy terrorists. Their disregard for Americans basic right to freedom of speech, press (& media) is a huge slap to our founders creation. It's VERY CHILLING !


Posted by Emily, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 20, 2009 at 7:12 pm

Be serious...please,

It's not about Republicans or Democrats. And while we are all entitled to our opinions, you fail to refute any facts.

The past eight years are just that...the past. Time to move on. I didn't like what Bush was doing either, but what this administration is doing is worse.

But since you're still hanging onto the past, I encourage you to consider just what kind of people this President is surrounding himself with. Then ask yourself if you'd be ok with them if Bush had put them in their positions and if the msm would have covered them differently.

As for your ridiculous comment about my positions being anti-American I respectfully submit that examining the character and philosophies of those in power is altogether in keeping with the actions of the Founding Fathers of this great country. Your opinion that I should refrain from doing so, however, is not.


Posted by Sharon, a resident of Castlewood Heights
on Oct 20, 2009 at 7:22 pm

MSNBC is 'all bias, all the time'. Olberman was the first to introduce 'liar' into the political lexicon. He SHOUTED LIAR EVERY DAY for about 4years...so classless & UNprofessional...dumbed down & removed all political debate. He so debased our process, I fear US politics is forever changed. Now they added ED who is not worthy of any airtime anywherre....I guess he knows how ignorant his viewers are. Why didn't the 'staffers' condem them for being biased....merely offering a 'point of view'???? In Germany & Russia in the last century, the dictators wouldn't allow freedom of speech. Even tho the people had elected the dictator, after losing the right to verbalize their opinions, they realized what they had ALLOWED to happen TO them.


Posted by Stay Cool, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 20, 2009 at 7:33 pm

I just think this latest atempt to silence the media is a ploy to hide the fact that Obama and his crew are in way over their head and have no idea what they are doing. I mean, even Gates is telling Obama that the election results in Afghanistan and the war and different issues. Hillary and now John "swiftboat liar" Heinz Kerry are there just to delay and take the heat off of Obama.

On an economic note, does anyone see anything this administration is doing to create jobs? I think not! Higher taxes on small business and cap and trade cannot exactly be deemed as stimulus can they? No!!!


Posted by Keith Olbermann, a resident of Del Prado
on Oct 20, 2009 at 8:11 pm

Dear A Reader,

Isn't Brit Hume's show a commentary/opinion show? That would imply that there is bias in what's being said....that's the point of the show. Fox has news reports and commentary. My channel has all commentary, some of which masquerades as news but don't be fooled.

Keith


Posted by a reader, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 20, 2009 at 9:00 pm

"Keith",

But Brit read those items to introduce the show as news, not commentary.

Emily,

I agree that there are biases in all news sources. I get more of my news from good old newspapers and web sites. The Wall Street Journal has pretty good news reporting, but the editorial page has lost some credibility.


Posted by Stay Cool, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 20, 2009 at 9:27 pm

...would never misspell "attempt."


Posted by To Sharon, a resident of Castlewood Heights
on Oct 21, 2009 at 9:21 am

You give me hope for our neighborhood!!!


Posted by Retarded Liberal, a resident of Bordeaux Estates
on Oct 21, 2009 at 9:59 am

As of May 30, 2009, the US Population was estimated at 304,059,724 persons.

Well, over 100 million retarded, head in the sand liberal Dems just have it all wrong. We are all stupid, blind and we all worship ONE man, or rather God, OBAMA!

We don't think for our selves, bu8t rather we believe 100% everything that anyone in our party says. We trust the Government 100%, why should we not? Where is the EVIDENSE that we should not?

Why didn't we just elect McCain and Pailin darn it! After all, we were doing SO well with GODS work in the middle East and we had a Surplus of funds for that at the time.

Just think about our freedoms! We could have had a double barreled evangelical Christian teaching us values and instilling these values on America! After all, there are over 100,000,000 liberal out to destroy America!

Geeeeez!


Posted by Saddened, a resident of Country Fair
on Oct 21, 2009 at 10:49 am

It's scarily UNAmerican for a President's team, considering all the MAJOR issues on their plates, to ATTACK & TARGET a SINGLE network to silence.!! It's stupid for a Pres to pick a battle with any media
( I guess if he had spare time, he COULD attack HOLLYWOOD ). His actions HIGHLIGHT his desire for a PARTISAN MEDIA. IT's wrong, UNAmerican, petty, biased, stupid.....a fight he will regret. This is even more offensive than sticking his foot in it with.....'STUPID police shouldn't do their normal job of questioning & neighborhood protection'. that quick kneejerk showed his racial bias. Now, attacking a news network demonstrates his partisan political bias...violating our founder's desire for freedom of press/speech.
Whether it's him personally or the people HE CHOSE for his inner circle is irrelevant.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Oct 21, 2009 at 10:54 am

Stacey is a registered user.

I also found it scarily unamerican for a President's team to influence analysis of issues on a single network by issuing talking points to the commentators.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Oct 21, 2009 at 10:56 am

Stacey is a registered user.

(Re: above, see Scott McClellan interview on Hardball with Chris Matthews in where he admits to giving talking points to Fox News)

At least in a Communist country, no one has any illusion that the government is influencing what is broadcast on State-run media. Here in the US what we have is much more subtle and much more insidious.


Posted by Keitth Olbermann, a resident of Del Prado
on Oct 21, 2009 at 11:14 am

Stacey,

Do you mean Scott McClellan the book-peddler? I haven't seen the interview; is he claiming that they provided talking points to be used in reporting the news or was it provided to "commentators"? Were the talking points used? Is it possible that Scott was trying to generate interest in selling his book....and wouldn't his motivation be somewhat suspect? Do you think the current administration doesn't issue talking points to the media?

It's clear to me that many people don't understand the difference between a commentator and a journalist.


Posted by Mark, a resident of Birdland
on Oct 21, 2009 at 6:27 pm

Watching "Faux" News is sort of like watching a poorly written sitcom.

Watching idiots like O'Reily, Glenn Beck and Hannity can be good after a hard day's work. You just sit in front of the tube and laugh out at their idiocies. I particularly enjoyed watching Faux News last November on Election Day. It was a parade of quivering lips. I should have recorded it!


Posted by Emily, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 21, 2009 at 7:18 pm

Really, Mark? "They're idiots?" That's your argument? Careful...no need to strain yourself!

Why the reluctance to dispute any of those pesky facts Fox airs?

We are on to the whole Alinsky isolate-ridicule crap. I have a real hard time taking you seriously when the most appropriate response to you starts with "Sticks and stones..."


Posted by !, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 21, 2009 at 9:15 pm

Without FoxNews, we wouldn't have learned about...

- Obama's connection with Bill Ayres, Rev. Wright
- Obama's reliance on Alinksy and "Rules for Radicals"
- ACORN
- Problems of Obamacare versions
- Socialist and Marxist backgrounds of Obama's Czars
- Issues of Stimulus Package actually "stimulating" the economy and jobs
- Issues of Cap and Trade//Global Warming


- Many more issues of Obama and his Socialist Admin.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Oct 21, 2009 at 10:25 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Keith,

- Yes, Scott McClellan, former White House Press Secretary
- It was about providing talking points to commentators.
- It doesn't really matter if the points were used or not. The fact that they were provided at all is enough to cause concern. See my comment above regarding "subtle" and "insidious".
- That is possible he was being interviewed to generate interest in his book, but how does that make his claim suspect?
- If the current administration issues talking points to other media outlets, that too is of great concern. Why would that excuse the previous administration?
- The journalists of Fox News don't have shows, or at least shows that are wildly popular.


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