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Please, folks, make up your minds already

Original post made by poster boy on Oct 9, 2009

Wingnuts, Please make up your minds:

Issue 1. Obama's first act as president was announcing the closing of Guantanamo. Dick Cheney went bonkers and predicted mushroom clouds in every American city. GOPers in congress predicted terrorists running loose in American streets. Shock. Awe. 7 months later, the facilities are still open, the plans to close them have been delayed by the inability to find countries willing to take on the prisoners, the GOP won't let them be transferred to American soil, and after all this Obama is being criticized by the same wingnuts that decried the act for not having closed Gitmo like he promised. Make up your mind.

Issue 2. Obama passed a stimulus package to both stabilize our financial system and stimulate the economy. The wingnuts attack it as a colossal waste of money and Republican governors in Texas, Louisiana, South Carolina, Minnesota, and Alaska threatened to refuse the money. Now Bobby Jindal puts his name on checks that are made up of federal stimulus money and takes credit for the projects they're financing. Texas is complaining to the feds that they're not getting the full money allotted to them. Sarah Palin quit. The governor of South Carolina went on an extended vacation from reality. And besides, only 200 billion of the 800 billion has been spent...that totally shows it didn't work. So please spend that money we don't want spent faster...Please folks, make up your minds. Stimulus bad or good?

Issue 3. Obama isn't pulling the troops out of Iraq fast enough. And if he does, then the country could fall apart and become a terrorist state. So he shouldn't. But let's criticize him for not doing it fast enough anyway, and if he does we can blame him for losing Iraq. Cuz keeping our troops there is bad, only it was good when Bush did it, but now it's bad cuz he isn't pulling them out like he said he would, but he is now, so that's bad, but it'll be good when they're out, unless it's bad. If it makes him more popular, then it's bad. Make up your minds.

Issue 4. Afghanistan is turning into a quagmire and devoting more troops there is only making things worse, so we should do what the generals say and send more troops there so that we can fight an entrenched force that has embedded itself culturally into the population and can't be forced out and will drag this conflict on for several years with no resolution other than a few thousand more dead Americans, but we should at least try and if we don't listen to the generals then we're accepting defeat and we can't do that unless we do. So if he sends troops in there, we'll criticize him for bungling the war, and if he makes the decision right away then we'll criticize him for being rash, but if he takes too long then we'll criticize him for taking too long to make a decision and if troops continue to die we'll blame his rashness/delay and then we'll say, see, he's a secret communist/muslim/fascist who hates america and wants to see our troops die needlessly (as opposed to the great hero of freedom that preceded him).

Issue 5. The government needs to keep its hands off my Medicare. There's nothing wrong with our healthcare system, I have healthcare, I'm fine, so why should I flip the bill for millions of people too lazy to take care of themselves. But it sure would be nice if we had a low-cost option that competes against private healthcare plans to keep their prices low. I love choice. As long as it's not the government I'm choosing. I want the same plan the congress gets, even though I don't want government-run healthcare, like the kind members of congress have. And I refuse to support a plan that will lower the deficit over 10 years. How do you spend 829 billion and lower the deficit...those guys are liars! LIARS! Make up your minds.

Issue 6. Obama is lowering the level of discourse in America. Did you see the way he called out Republicans for supposedly not supporting health insurance reform and called them liars for perpetuating things like death panels and forced abortions? And the way he promotes all these people calling him socialist/fascist/communist. He does nothing to stop it, so it must be true. And besides, he's not an American anyway, and he's a secret muslim trying to turn the country's nuclear arsenal over to Iran. And for that matter, he's not even a real Negro! He's like only 1/4th negro or something...the rest is white and arab...i saw it in a pie chart somewhere. It's true...Make up your minds (fascist, communist, socialist, muslim, noncitizen...please pick one and stick to it...)

Issue 7. The Nobel Peace Prize is a joke. It's all part of a socialist agenda to take over the world and force the one world UN government on us that'll be run by the Anti-Christ Barack Hussein Obama. It's in the Book of Revelation...all there to see. And besides, he's done nothing to earn it. Even though he's not really an American and is in fact the Anti-christ (which Revelation predicted would be a secret Muslim, by the way, even though the book of Revelation was written 700 years before Islam started, but I digress...) And besides, it's not fair that Ronald Reagan or Richard Nixon never won such a prestigious award. I mean, Nixon instigated the Christmas Day bombings of Hanoi, after all, and Reagan sold weapons to the Iranians in exchange for them releasing/taking more hostages. What more can you do for peace? These men should've been honored too with an award that we think is a joke and part of a secret socialist conspiracy to enslave the world. Which is it? Nobel bad or Nobel good?

Issue 8. Obama is arrogant for thinking he could've single-handedly brought the Olympic games to his hometown. It was great to see his ego brought back to earth. And if he hadn't done anything, we'd be attacking his arrogance for not lifting a finger to help the cause of bringing the Olympics to the US. Either way, what's bad for the US is bad for Obama, so let's cheer for the bad for the US part, but not really.

Issue 9. Obama is doing too much too soon. He's trying to push our country into socialism/communism. He's taking over all our industries. He's driving up the deficit and attempting to put us all in the poor house. He's pushing healthcare on us, dumping Gitmo, Gays in the military, GM bailout, bank bailouts, he's doing so much. And the stock market is down almost 1500 points since he became president...that's the obama recession! Only the stock market is now up over 3000 points since its lows, so we'll call that nothing else...<crickets>. And after all that, he hasn't accomplished anything. After all, he's got nothing to show for it. MAKE UP YOUR MINDS! He's either doing too much or he's not accomplishing anything...decide!

Issue 10. It's been almost 9 months! How come he hasn't fixed the world yet??!?!

All I'm asking is for a little consistency...Thanks much.

Comments (40)

Posted by Stay Cool, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 9, 2009 at 10:32 pm

poster boy, ftw!!


Posted by M., a resident of Downtown
on Oct 9, 2009 at 10:40 pm

M. is a registered user.

No wing nut comments yet?

I thought for sure they would be jumping at the chance to show some verifiable proof as opposed to the usual mysterious website with no link, fox news OP Ed piece relabeled as AP, etc... I still can't wait for that overwhelming irrefutable preponderance of evidence that Obama is whatever the wing nuts say he is. Perhaps it will be unveiled sometime before I die?

Well done Poster Boy


Posted by Julie, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 9, 2009 at 10:56 pm

Julie is a registered user.

PB, now YOU are funny and intelligent. PW should have given YOU a blog here.

Maybe there's no counters because the target audience is reading the post, nodding and saying, "Exactly! Maybe PB understands now!". I've always thought that sarcasm and irony are tools of intelligent humour... Have you ever tried using them on young children? They don't get it either.


Posted by a reader, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 10, 2009 at 8:23 am

Something's working. Google just announced that they are going to ramp up hiring!

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Posted by M., a resident of Downtown
on Oct 10, 2009 at 4:09 pm

M. is a registered user.

I guess the wing nuts have nothing to say in defense of their position which is shocking given their usual verbose responses.


Posted by Really?, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 10, 2009 at 8:59 pm

I am so glad you were able to say exactly what I have been thinking yet so frustrated I could never say it as clearly as you have.

I am so baffled by the attitude of wanting to see our President fail, yet claim to love America. This new form of "patriotism", even taking historic references (tea party members) as a battle cry, is out of control.

Thanks for your excellent posts.


Posted by Janna, a resident of Dublin
on Oct 10, 2009 at 9:27 pm

Wingnut heads must be exploding all over Pleasanton.

Excellent representation of all the nonsensical behavior displayed by the right wing! They will never be happy.


Posted by poster boy, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 10, 2009 at 10:38 pm

I'm honestly beginning to think the wingnuts haven't responded because it was just too dang much to read and they decided to skip over the post. Remember, their hero george bush preferred having entire policy decisions summarized in a page or less so he doesn't have to spend all that time having to actually read it. I'm sure his adoring legions follow the same policy...perhaps I should offer a cliffnotes version...


Posted by M., a resident of Downtown
on Oct 11, 2009 at 12:19 am

M. is a registered user.

You could be right about it just being too much for them to commit to reading, however I have a suspicion that they don't know how to respond without looking like fools, as such they choose not to. The same thing can be seen from religious zealots and other assorted wing nut groups when confronted by a question they can not answer they simply ignore, change subjects, or toss out a bible quote that has absolutely nothing to do with the question whatsoever.


Posted by hmmmmm, a resident of Del Prado
on Oct 11, 2009 at 7:50 am

The wingnuts are you call them are probably out working to support people like Poster Boy, Stay Cool, and Stacey who have nothing to do but hang on this website day and night 7 days a week. You need to get a life as no one is listening to you any longer.


Posted by Stay Cool, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 11, 2009 at 8:43 am

Yes, hmmmm (is that your name today), I'm sure that's what you'd like to believe since that would fit nicely into your little fantasy of slacker liberals. However, pb has already explained how he is an active, employed, and contributing citizen. Stacey is clearly no slouch. And I can assure you that I am not dependent on the support (financial or otherwise) of the collective "you." We all take care of our own business and lead very productive lives, and come to this forum to peek throughout the day and comment as we see fit. It's simply a diversion.
As a side note, it's a shame that you have to start off your week by trying to insult people. I think that's just one of many differences between us - you appear to be very unhappy. You should try happiness - it works!


Posted by hmmmmmmmmm, a resident of Del Prado
on Oct 11, 2009 at 8:56 am

Stay Cool,

been weeks since I have been on here but everytime I look in the same names come up. Stay Cool, Poster Boy, and Stacey so there is no way you guys can be that busy. By the way, I called no one a name and if I am not mistaken you are referring to people as "wingnuts" correct? You look up the term many use to refer to liberals............DDU.


Posted by Stay Cool, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 11, 2009 at 9:14 am

There are 24 hours in a day - a person can fit a lot of things into a well-organized day, including a few forum comments. Interestingly, there are plenty of people on the right (mark, rita, !, etc.) who are on here just as much or more that we are - why don't you comment on the frequency of their posts?
For the record, I do not use the word "wingnuts." I try to avoid insulting terminology or personal attacks. You should try to do the same.


Posted by Patriot Liberal, a resident of Downtown
on Oct 11, 2009 at 10:13 am

The irony here is insane! The VASY majority of Pleasanton residents are Conservative Republicans. There are maybe 5 regular posters on the Weekly that are Liberal Democrats, or even better yet, conservative Democrats.

Last time I checked CA had a 12% unemployment figure and rising.

So, I can only assume that the VAST majority of regular posters here are conservative Republicans who work from home, or are unemployed!

Also of irony, is the fact that OUR tax dollars are NOT supporting the unemployed, unemployment insurance is!

Finally, these so called Patriot Conservatives who HOPE the President fails, are totally anti American in the most literal sense!

How absolutely UN American to hope a President Fails, and thus America fails, just because the elected official is NOT a right wing conservative!

Childish at best! I don't know ANY Liberal Democrats that HOPED that Bush would fail, but rather most on both sides of the political spectrum have been affected and very disappointed in the Bush Admins total failure.

Eight years after the Bush War Machine and related FRAUD, America is in a state of despair, that only a miracle could reverse.


Posted by Patriot Liberal, a resident of Downtown
on Oct 11, 2009 at 10:21 am

Also ironic, is the fact the during the PROSPARITY era, not ONE word or mention of how the state or federal government was managing or spending our tax dollars.

Now that unemployment has sky rocketed and people are loosing their homes and jobs, the "Patriot Conservatives" are whimpering at every turn, and playing the BLAME Game!

"It's all Obama and the Liberal fault! Obama Hates America. Those Socialists, Marxists, etc."


Posted by Dark Corners of Town, a resident of Country Fair
on Oct 11, 2009 at 3:57 pm

For those of you looking for a debate and wondering why no one is showing up...
The original post starts out with "Obama's first act as president was announcing the closing of Guantanamo. Dick Cheney went bonkers and predicted mushroom clouds in every American city." A search of whitehouse.gov executive orders and memoranda shows that the President's first act was not about Guantanamo but about ethics and Presidential records. Do you have a quote attributed to Cheney after January 22, 2009 about mushroom clouds in every American city? I gave up reading after the first two sentences. Maybe others did, too.

And for Patriot Liberal, Alameda County shows that for the Nov 2008 election, 39% of Pleasanton voters were registered Democrat, 35% were registered Republican, and 22% Decline to State.

To start a debate, it helps to have something that is debatable.


Posted by Stay Cool, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 11, 2009 at 5:56 pm

Dark Corners,
I'm not wondering why no one is showing up. I think it's pretty clear.
I don't understand how you can claim to make an assessment of the "debatability" of the original post if, as you said, you didn't read past the first two sentences. The details you are quibbling over are minor - so he signed the order to close Guantanamo on his SECOND day in office. Okay!
As for the Cheney quote, I'm sure poster boy is referring to Cheney's media blitz in May in 2009, when he protested the closure of Guantanamo and the torture memo issue, and frequently referenced the possibility of terrorists releasing biological and nuclear weapons in American cities (interview w/ Bob Schieffer and speech on 5/21/09).
Thanks for providing the stats on the breakdown in Pleasanton. I myself do not think the town is particularly conservative. I think conservatives are just more vocal on this board.


Posted by Rita, a resident of Downtown
on Oct 11, 2009 at 5:57 pm




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Posted by You bore me, a resident of Downtown
on Oct 11, 2009 at 9:56 pm

You're rather schizophrenic PB. The best advice I have to offer you; never fall in love with a politician because they'll screw you over every time....and clearly you're in love with Obama.


Posted by Dark Corners of Town, a resident of Country Fair
on Oct 11, 2009 at 11:24 pm

The first link below is the transcript from the Cheney/Schieffer interview. Cheney's reference to nuclear weapons and American cities is in the context of post 9/11 gathering of intelligence. Not once during the interview was there a link between Obanma's order to close Guantanamo and Cheney (going bonkers) predicting mushroom clouds.

The speech on 5/21/09 was to the American Enterprise Institute (second link below) and there, too, was no link between Guantanamo closing and mushroom clouds.

I recommend people read these documents and not poster boy's fabrications.

Web Link

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Posted by Really?, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 11, 2009 at 11:39 pm

<dark corners is very literal>


Posted by poster boy, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 12, 2009 at 12:07 am

Dark Corners of Town,
If only Dick Cheney himself had applied the same level of literalism to his claims that saddam hussein was in league with al-qaeda and was therefore behind the 9/11 attacks. Mine was rhetorical flourish meant to prove a point, his was an attempt to justify an invasion of a country that posed no immediate threat to us, had not attacked us, and a war that has costs us thousands of lives and trillions of dollars. But sure, apply a standard to me that you won't apply to the man you're defending.

As for the source of my comments that he predicted mushroom clouds over American cities, look no further than the interview he gave to Politico only 2 weeks after obama was sworn in. This interview was given in direct response to Obama announcing he was closing Gitmo and rolling back some of the surveillance programs.

Web Link

"Cheney said 'the ultimate threat to the country' is 'a 9/11-type event where the terrorists are armed with something much more dangerous than an airline ticket and a box cutter – a nuclear weapon or a biological agent of some kind' that is deployed in the middle of an American city. "..."I think there's a high probability of such an attempt. Whether or not they can pull it off depends whether or not we keep in place policies that have allowed us to defeat all further attempts, since 9/11, to launch mass-casualty attacks against the United States."

the "depends whether or not we keep in place policies" refers to Obama closing Gitmo and other policy changes. Cheney is basically saying, if Obama changes course, we'll come under attack and whether they pull it off depends on how much Obama changes. And if you worry about whether this in fact is a reference to Gitmo in particular, it says it explicitly in the article...

"Cheney called Guantanamo a 'first-class program,' and 'a necessary facility' that is operated legally and with better food and treatment than the jails in inmates' native countries....But he said he worried that 'instead of sitting down and carefully evaluating the policies,' Obama officials are unwisely following 'campaign rhetoric' and preparing to release terrorism suspects or afford them legal protections granted to more conventional defendants in crime cases."

It is on the basis of these comments that I claimed he went bonkers. Because these comments are...well...bonkers. "Preparing to release terrorism suspects"...really?...nice one.

I stand by my claims.

Now what about the other 9 issues i raised? Anything???


Posted by Stay Cool, a resident of Apperson Ridge
on Oct 12, 2009 at 7:25 am

Beautiful! Hopefully Dark Corners' corners have become a bit brighter! :)


Posted by Dark Corners of Town, a resident of Country Fair
on Oct 12, 2009 at 8:08 am

Thank-you for the link to the Politico article and the audio recording of some of the interview. So did he 'predict mushroom clouds in every American city'? He said the greatest threat still remains, that there are people who will attempt to use nuclear or biological weapons in an American city. Do you believe this is not true? If people are motivated to hijack 4 planes simultaneously, bring down the World Trade Center buildings, hit the Pentagon, and kill 3,000+ fellow Americans, then why would not that same motivation in others be working to produce other attempts against you and me?

So without any flourish, do you think there are still people in the world who want to kill Americans on our soil? And if so, what do you think the best policies are to prevent it?


Posted by ok, a resident of another community
on Oct 12, 2009 at 8:37 am

Now thats a tirade. Lumping people together. Trying to remember what we call this when we assign atributes to a class of people..... careful not to fall off your soapbox stay cool.


Posted by Stay Cool, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 12, 2009 at 10:08 am

Ok,
Help me understand your comment.


Posted by Confused..., a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 12, 2009 at 12:39 pm

I am now confused. I seem to read both the liberals and conservatives agreeing to PB's post. How can this happen? Explain! Or we are posting just for the sake of posting and creating a forum to provoke blogs?


Posted by Honest, a resident of Del Prado
on Oct 12, 2009 at 12:46 pm

Confused,

I think what you are seeing up above is frustration over Obama's performance or complete lack of it thus far so rather than try to debate the current situation you are seeing the usual characters bringing up past history to deflect and this is why you are not seeing any of the objective voices commenting.


Posted by Love Palin, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 12, 2009 at 2:36 pm

There was some argument over Cheney and what he said, but many conservatives don't like Cheney any more than they do Sarah Palin. Cheney and Palin proved themselves socialists when they threw their support behind the $700 Billion billion TARP (Troubled Asset Relief ...). Capitalism and free markets were fine for the unwashed masses but rich Wall Street investment bankers needed tax payer bailouts (socialism). Now some of those same bankers are giving themselves record bonuses at taxpayer expense.

So now we have Obama who is out making rookie mistakes faster than Jimmy Carter did. Let's admit he didn't deserve the Nobel and that he had no business going abroad trying champion the Chicago Olympic bid when there were plenty more important problems to worry about.


Posted by Jerry, a resident of Oak Hill
on Oct 13, 2009 at 12:49 am

I hope there isn't anyone posting on this forum that's so naive, or foolish, as to not believe there are those that hate the U.S. to the point they would gleefully cause a "mushroom cloud" over our cities, if given the opportunity...

If someone is caught planning/attempting such an event, if one American life can be saved, I don't really care what methods(up to and including their demise)are used when gathering intellengence from these individuals...

Please don't waste time telling me this type treatment would put our military personnel in danger of receiving the same type treatment. They're already in danger of this type treatment. Non-believers can ask those captured during WW2, Korea or Vietnam...


Posted by Dark Corners of Town, a resident of Country Fair
on Oct 13, 2009 at 8:29 pm

Onto Issue 2:

You say "Republican governors in Texas, Louisiana, South Carolina, Minnesota, and Alaska threatened to refuse the money." Except for MN (where I can't find any record of fund refusals), each of the governors of TX, LA, SC and AL, have accepted the majority of the funds available to them. They turned down funds that required changes to their state laws, policies, or to create government programs that would have to be eliminated after the stimulus funds ended. Texas, for example, accepted $12.9B (or $17.1B depending on what you count) and only turned down $550M. In addition, the Alaska legislature voted to accept more funds than Palin wanted, and in SC, their state supreme court forced Sanford to accept $700M that he did not want. The system of checks and balances is working. If any of those governors is taking credit, they have the principled stand and the right to do so. There are no inconsistencies in their positions and actions. Furthermore, Pawlenty of MN made it clear in an interview that he objects to the federal government's stimulus program. But if the federal government is going to take his state citizens tax money and place them into massive future debt, then he will do everything he can to get money back into his state. How crystal clear is that? I see no 'make up your mind' needed on Issue 2.

Locally, CA had to change its laws this week regarding evaluating teachers using student test scores in order to qualify for additional stimulus funds for education. Until this week, you could have listed CA in the list above as refusing federal funds.

Until I hear from you, I won't spend time on the next issues. Not sure where everyone went, even though I see you all posting on other threads.

Cheers!


Posted by mark, a resident of another community
on Oct 14, 2009 at 12:09 am

poster boy and or stay cool, alter ego or whatever you are, I think you have gone off the deep end. I didnt read the entire story, nor did Iread any comments, but let me be the first to say that you my freind, are fill of ship. Do you think you are God? I can see that you get your info from the mainstream media, and that means you are believing and posting lies, half truths, material misrepresentations, ommisions and concealment of material facts. In other words, you are full of ship and that sinks your ship with all your "holier than thou" attitude and belief and your rhetoric that you got from a box Cracker Jacks.


I have to admit, I just now glanced at some of the comments. It seems that you have some sort of following, although I'm not convinced that thet actually know what it is that they have committed too. Do you know what you are committed too, other than your unconditional worship of the Obaminable Blowman. It does appear that you are quite proud of yourself, and I'm sure that you see "godliness" in yourself.

I'll give you some advice,the media in this country sold us out a long time ago. I'm sure you have the ability to verify that, as it is easy to find on the web. What we have is a corporate media(all media here in the states is owned or controled by 5 groups-MONOPOLY), a corporate government and bigger and more powerful corpoations, all owned and or controlled by the BANKSTERS, that would be the ones that own the PRIVATE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK and the same ones that make money out of thin air. Remember I asked you to explain why they no longer report M3 or money supply(You still have not replied)

I have explained it before but for the most part, no one seems to listen, but these Banksters are the absolute rulers of this country, after all , they control the money. They loan the money made out of thin air to the government, whenever the federal government needs money, say for instance to pay for the wars.All of that money is borrowed from these private banksters and interest is also charged. Down to the last penny, every bit of federal income tax collected by the IRS is paid to these private bankster against the interest owed them by the government.The Federal Reserves (FED) Owners, most of which are foreign, (with the Rothschild European Banking Family owning more shares than anyone else) collect all of that tax money and divy it up among them and keep all of it, and on top of that, it is tax free for them. Needless to say, wars are ttheir biggest money maker and that is part of the reason that all wars in the last 200 years have been fought because of the banksters wishes/demands.


The following is a quote by Mayer Amschel Rothschild.Do you think he knew what he was talking about? You bet he did, whoever controls the money rules everything and everyone.

"Give me control of a nation's money
and I care not who makes the laws."

Getting back to where I was, the government tells the media what to print and what not to print. That is the way it is, period. Therefore the media reports only what the government wants us to know, and most of that contains some level of deception, sometimes total and complete misrepresentations. These banksters have been in power for a long time,long enough so that most of what you were taught about all of history are lies.


Posted by mark, a resident of another community
on Oct 14, 2009 at 2:27 am

I accidently submitted an unfinished post, so it will pick up here.


Now I know that the alter ego that started this thread will deny all of this, and when he does he is knowingly lying to everyone concerned. I will say it again. The info that you get from the mainstream media is for the most part, a misrepresentation of the facts to some degree, and many times contains more lies than truth. Poster boy and his aliases has a hidden agenda and is promoting it here on this forum, to everyones harm.


Here is a quote made recently by postercool/stayboy, which is a total lie, and more evidence of his promoting a hidden agenda.The facts that support what I said are not hard to find on the internet. Apparently he believes that no one on this site will research anything


POSTER BOY SAID" The Rothschilds, being a prominent Jewish family, are often stand-ins for the "international jewish conspiracy", so forum readers please keep this in mind when you come across Mark's posts.



The fact is the Rothschild are the most powerful family in the world and they got that way by contolling the money for most countries and with that control they have stolen money and gold from everyone.The Fed owns all the gold that once belonged to this country. Rothschild owns the FED. All of the federal income tax that you pay goes staight into Rothschilds pockets, although a portion goes into the pockets of the other co-owners of the FED. Rothschild gets the lions share.

Here is a link to a portion of a film, the portion explains the FEDERAL RESERVE BANKING SYSTEM, the history and this includes some of the Rothschilds decietful actions, how money is created, fractional reserve banking, and more. It is easy to understand and this should have been taught in every school, but instead it is concealed Web Link


The info contained in the video is essential for every American, in that all of the problems we face today, as individuals and/or as a country, stem and are a result of, in one way or another the FED. Watch The video, about 40 minutes, as in will probably be the most important video or film that you have ever seen. You wont regret it, but instead you will be wondering why this info has been concealed from you. You will also tell all your friends to watch it also. If we are going to turn this country around, this is where it begins. We will have to end the FED just like THIS COUNTRY DID IN 1811 AND AGAIN IN 1836 and for the same reasons.

This is what Thomas Jefferson said about Central Banks. (The FED is a central bank)He was absolutely correct with this statement. IF that doesn't stir you, nothing will. The Bankters, if left the way it is, would come to be the owners of everything in this country, and the country itself. That is the way it is set up, and designed by the Rothschilds. And then we have posterboy, lying about me and about the Rothschilds, as he trys to cover for them, but to everyone elses harm. This is the bottomline, factual and the truth.


"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs"


Posted by mark, a resident of another community
on Oct 14, 2009 at 4:25 am

Here is another link to a short video regarding the federal reserve. It is very good and it explains some of the history using facts.

Web Link

I had posted this video in another thread with the title "PART OF HISTORY YOU WERE NEVER TOLD"


As I pointed out earlier, posterboy continues to lie and he does so about issues of great importance, and he did it in that thread. I present facts and/ or the truth. So in this instance, I exposed posterboy as the liar and traitor that he is. The following is a copy of my initial post, followed by his post and then a copy of my reply.



"PART OF HISTORY YOU WERE NEVER TOLD
State, National, International, posted by mark, a resident of another community, on Oct 10, 2009 at 12:44 am
A true account of history regarding the power of the Bankers and the death of the Presidents that stood against them. A must watch video.

Web Link





Comments
Posted by poster boy, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Oct 10, 2009 at 11:07 pm

Mark,


With all due respect. I know you're passionate about this stuff and feel like this is really going on. But this stuff about the Rothschilds controlling our banking system since 1791, instigating the war of 1812, killing lincoln, garfield, mckineley, kennedy, etc...it's all anti-semetic mythology. This stuff can be filed alongside the protocols of the elders of zion. For reference, check the Anti-Defamation League's response to all this.




Web Link




The Rothschilds, being a prominent Jewish family, are often stand-ins for the "international jewish conspiracy", so forum readers please keep this in mind when you come across Mark's posts.

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Posted by mark, a resident of another community, 0 minutes ago

THE LIAR AND TRAITOR POSTERBOY, is lying about everything, but in particular and regarding the video, posterpunk states:




" But this stuff about the Rothschilds controlling our banking system since 1791,...........it's all anti-semetic mythology"




That is not claimed in the video(nor by me) What is claimed in the video verbatim "1791: The Rothschilds get control of a nations money, through Alexander Hamilton (Their agent in George Washingtons Cabinet)when they set up a central bank in the USA called The First Bank Of The United States. This is established with a 20 year charter.1811: The charter for the Rothschild Bank of The United States runs out and Congress votes against its renewal. Nathan Mayer Rothschild is not amused and he states,"Either the application for the renewal of the charter is granted, or the United States will find itself involved in a most disastrous war." However the United States stands firm and the Charter is not renewed.which causes Nathan Mayer Rothschild to issue another threat, "Teach those impudent Americans a lesson. Bring them back to colonial status." 1812: Backed by Rothschilds money, and Nathan Mayer Rothschild's orders, the British declare war on the United States.




No where does it state or imply what posterboy is lying about, "Rothschilds controlling our banking system since 1791"




The video gives an accurate accout of the true history of Rothschild and their central banks.




Everything else that posrerboy claimed is also a lie. Even the part about using the anti defamation league as a reference is deceptive and therefore a lie The problem with that is the Anti defamation league was created by the Rothschilds and created for serving their interest. The league is not going to be truthful in this instance nor in any matter that goes against Jews.




POSTERPUNK, YOUR CREDIBILITY IS LESS THAN ZERO AND YOU ARE A LIAR , A CHEAT AND A TRAITOR. YOU SHOULD DISAPPEAR OR MOVE TO ISRAEL.

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I know for a fact that Obama is a puppet, owned by the banksters, which is the Rothschilds.It is very clear that posterboy/staycool and/or any other alias he hides behind has unconditional worship of Obama. Before posterboy came into existence, staycool and before him homeowner ,shall we say chased me around on this forum trying to find fault with and tried to discredit me and the material I used in my posts. Some of these posts were used to expose the FED which would work against the Rothschild in particular because for the most part,it is his bank. It looks like and I believe it to be true, that in addition to Obama, staycool/posterboy has uncondition worship of Rothschild and/or the FED. It could be to a point of the alter ego being on the payroll for that "group" to some degree You can be assured that the Obama camp has people watching and participating to some degree in forums like this one for political reasons, damage control or whatever it might be called.

Having dealt with staycool for awhile, and now posterboy, I believe that this is only one person. Regardless, whoever it is has provided me with all the evidence that I need as proof that he/she/they are promoting the Banksters agenda and it is harmful to this country and to everyone that is not a party to their scheme

In the last 8 years, I have dedicated more than 10,000 hours to researching issues such as the Federal Reserve. One could say that I know more than most about these types of issues. It is my intent to provide factual evidence/truth in all my postings here. I am hopefull that others might benefit from the research that I have done and continue to do. Ihave nothing to hide but I am convinced that the alter ego is hiding much from all of us. I am always looking for the truth and the two video links I provided is what I believe to be true.If any of you can find the time then I ask you to view the videos and let me know what you think. This country needs for all of you to get up to speed on this matter. With this knowledge, I think you will see and agree with me regarding the hidden agenda of the alter ego at hand. Thanks MARK


Posted by Grace, a resident of Highland Oaks
on Oct 14, 2009 at 8:30 am

"Posted by Dark Corners of Town, a resident of the Country Fair neighborhood, 11 hours ago

Onto Issue 2:
You say "Republican governors in Texas, Louisiana, South Carolina, Minnesota, and Alaska threatened to refuse the money." Except for MN (where I can't find any record of fund refusals), ..."

See here:
Web Link


Posted by Michael, a resident of Livermore
on Oct 14, 2009 at 8:39 am

I wonder how long it will be before impeachment and maybe even treason charges get applied to the Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, group. How long before China and India move to a different currency replacing the US dollar? Regardless of your political leanings at some point unless jobs increase the american people are going to get fed up with not having money nor futures. Heck Obama cannot even get us involved in a war like Rosevelt did in order to get out of the great depression because we are just finishing up in Iraq but he is expanding in Afghanistan.


Posted by J, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 14, 2009 at 9:28 am

Mark- The conspiracy theory thing has me a little concerned about your state of mind... Have you taken your medication or considered getting some?

Also, most PC's have a spell check function you may find handy...


Posted by Dark Corners of Town, a resident of Country Fair
on Oct 14, 2009 at 7:13 pm

Grace, great article as it further describes some consequences to states for accepting the conditions of the federal stimulus funds. I didn't see, however, any mention of Minnesota or its governor. Am I missing something?

Thanks.


Posted by Dark Corners of Town, a resident of Country Fair
on Oct 15, 2009 at 5:44 am

Given the expected visit of the President to SF today, I couldn't help moving on to the next issues:

Let's let Code Pink speak to Issues 3 & 4.

Web Link


Next topic........Medicare.......that's a big one. May take some time, that is if you are still open to a healthy debate.


Posted by mmm,mmm,mmm, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 15, 2009 at 6:34 am

come on folks this is exactly what obama wants and is dependency on the government for anything and everything. next he will find ways to go after your savings, investments, and personal property. like watching a tragic movie unfold but not a movie but true.


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