Posted by Stay Cool, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 28, 2009 at 2:25 pm
The piece you point out was in response to all the "Obama hates America and is trying to destroy it" posts seen here on the PWonline. Did you read the piece? Whether you agree or disagree with it, it is not hate propaganda.
Posted by poster boy, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 28, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Read the post and the accompanying thread. The headline was meant to grab attention, the post is an ironic piece on wingnut anti-obama hysteria. Read it all the way through and I'm sure you'll be comforted by the content of the message.
Posted by ?!, a resident of the Amador Estates neighborhood, on Sep 28, 2009 at 7:54 pm
How can you say the PW promotes anti-American sentiment by merely offering the Town Forum for it's readers to use? The PW should be thanked for offering this board and for them to intervene minimally.
I wiil say, that the PW DOES promote liberal democrats very frequently and at the expense of offering an opposing view. However, that is their right. If a conservative (like me) wants to start a local newspaper and promote conservative causes, I have that right to do so (at least for now... until Obama takes away this freedom too, which is one of his goals).
Posted by poster boy, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 28, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Yes. Obama wants to take away your right to promote conservative causes. That's why all those people who carried around Obama-with-Hitler-mustache pictures are all under arrest right now and Hannity, Rush, OReilly and Beck are all shut down. *sigh*
Can you please point me to one piece of evidence to show that Obama wants to take away your right to speak out against his policies? Can you please explain how he plans to single-handedly overthrow the 1st amendment? Otherwise enough of the "Obama wants to steal our rights" talk...
Posted by ?!, a resident of the Amador Estates neighborhood, on Sep 28, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Dear Poster Boy (or toddler),
I won't cite you one example of our free speech being threatened (1st Amendment), I'll cite you at least three major ones and there are probably many many more...
1. The Obama Admin's vote (including McNerney's vote) NOT to permanently revoke the enactment of the "Fairness Doctrine" which is essentially a censorship on political talk radio. In other words, the Obama Admin wants to adopt some form of censorship of talk radio and they are in the process of figuring out how to do so. The Czar they've hired -- Mark Lloyd -- an avowed Marxist actually wants all media to be State controlled...thus outlawing all type of alternative media and free speech. (In a very chilling video you can search on youtube, you can see firsthand how he cheers the effectiveness of State Controlled media in Rwanda and how this media was instrumental in allowing the genocide to occur. He is a scary Marxist who wants to abolish free speech in the media.)
2. Remember Obama's message on a WhiteHouse website encouraging people to report those who are communicating "fishy" messages? This is Obama's attempt to scare the public if they don't shape up and march to his every command!
3. Have you heard of Obama's strongly chastising Humana for publicizing an opposing view of Nationalized Healthcare? This is an offense against free speech! For more info, here you go...
Not the Fed, as in Bernanke, but the Feds, as in the federal government.
Here are excerpts from an AP news story that just came in:
The government is investigating a major insurance company for allegedly trying to scare seniors with a mailer warning they could lose important benefits under health care legislation in Congress.
And the most chilling two paragraphs:
In a warning letter to Humana, HHS said the government is concerned that the mailer "is misleading and confusing" partly because the company's lobbying campaign could be mistaken for an official communication about Medicare benefits.
HHS ordered the company to immediately halt any such mailings, and remove any related materials from its Web site. In the letter, the government also said it may take other action against Humana, which is based in Louisville, Ky.
One of the ways that governments try to "win" debates is to make debate by the other side illegal. This is what HHS is doing, at the behest of Senator Baucus. Asked on yesterday's Face the Nation on CBS whether a "sort of meanness" had settled "over our political dialogue," Obama said, "Right." I'm not sure that the questionner, Bob Schieffer, knows the difference between meanness and anger. I have seen some of the former, but much of the latter, at the various town hall meetings. But here's where Obama has a chance to practice what he preaches. He has the power to countermand HHS's order. And HHS's action would certainly qualify as mean. You can't get much meaner than to threaten someone with guns. And that is what a warning letter from HHS is. Think about what would happen if Humana ignored the HHS letter and kept speaking out critically on health care. The next step would be to bring Humana to court. If Humana refused, the next step would be, literally, for the Feds to come in with guns.
For years, various commentators have said that Friedrich Hayek, in The Road to Serfdom, and Milton Friedman, in Capitalism and Freedom, exaggerated the dangers to freedom of speech from government control. But also for years, drug companies have feared criticizing the FDA because the FDA has so much discretionary control over their economic livelihoods. Now HHS has upped the ante. Will the defenders of freedom of speech step up to defend Humana's rights, as opposed to Humana's statements. How many people will there be who disagree with what Humana said, but who defend (I don't even need "to the death"--I'll settle for a letter and postage stamp) their right to say it?
BTW, here's the Humana mailer. The Huffington Post blogger, Dawn Teo, seems to disagree with its content. Now to the big test: will she defend Humana's freedom of speech? I'll bet she doesn't but this is a bet I would truly love to lose.
Bleg: I can't find an actual copy of the HHS letter on the web and so I'm taking the press's word for it. Can anyone provide a link to the actual letter?
Update: Let's Give them a Fair Trial and then Hang Them
Thanks to commenter MBP below, we now have a link to the letter from HHS to Humana. It's only three paragraphs. Here are the last two:
CMS is concerned that, among other things, this information is misleading and confusing to beneficiaries, represents information to beneficiaries as official communications about the Medicare Advantage program, and is potentially contrary to federal regulations and guidance for the MA and Part D programs and other federal law, including HIPAA. As we continue our research into this issue, we are instructing you to end immediately all such mailings to beneficiaries and to remove any related materials directed to Medicare enrollees from your website.
Please be advised that we take this matter very seriously and, based upon the findings of our investigation, will pursue compliance and enforcement actions.
Besides the excellent point made by RL, the second commenter below, notice two other interesting things:
1. It's "potentially contrary to federal regulations" and therefore "we are instructing you to end immediately, etc." So just the potential that it's violating the law is enough, apparently, for Teresa DeCaro to make her threat.
2. Also, "based upon the findings of our investigation, will pursue compliance and enforcement actions." Notice a little step missing? What if they investigate and find nothing wrong? She's, of course, presuming the outcome of the investigation.
Posted by Julie, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 28, 2009 at 10:03 pm Julie is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
?!, I have a question: Why do you feel the need to insult a fellow poster by altering their screen name in a way that likens said poster to a toddler? I don't see where Poster Boy called you names or sought to insult you in such a personal way. When people start off their post with insults they way you did, the only goal you accomplish is turning people off to what you have to say.
Here is the White House website with the link to report misinformation people have seen on health care reform, created specifically to combat the large quantity of misinformation being spread from reform opponents. My understanting is that the WH is no longer accepting reports, due to public concern. That doesn't seem very threatening. It certainly didn't scare those who weren't "shaping up and marching to (Obama's) every command.
(not posted for liberal bias, but because that's the first place I could find the text) The information provided in the fliers was misleading and fear-inducing, not to mention that it was sent under a dishonest premise.
RE: "based upon the findings of our investigation, will pursue compliance and enforcement actions." Notice a little step missing? What if they investigate and find nothing wrong? She's, of course, presuming the outcome of the investigation."
It says right there "based upon the findings." Which means if they don't find anything, nothing will be pursued. You are *really* reaching here.
Also, is it at all possible for you to post without making an insulting comment to the person you are addressing?
2. "fishy" messages -- I'm having trouble seeing how this somehow limited free speech. Did it scare you?
3. It looks like HHS was chastising Humana for saying something that wasn't true and could appear fraudulent:
"In a warning letter to Humana, HHS said the government is concerned that the mailer "is misleading and confusing" partly because the company's lobbying campaign could be mistaken for an official communication about Medicare benefits."
That doesn't sound like overturning the first amendment to me.
Posted by poster boy, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 29, 2009 at 12:30 am
?!, just a quick question to start out, since we're going to play the name game...isn't "?!" instant message shorthand for "I'm clueless"?(!)
To add what Stay Cool and reader posted about the fairness doctrine, I did a quick google search on "fairness doctrine and obama" just to see what it'd come up with and low and behold at the top of the list was an article on foxnews.com dated february 2009 detailing how Obama has no interest in reinstating the fairness doctrine. FAIL
Hilarious. But let's just take your argument and say Obama wants to reimpose the fairness doctrine. Even if he does this, it means any broadcast station would have to give equal time to opposing views on any topic. This means each side will be afforded equal time to present their arguments, which would only be "fair", therefore the "fairness doctrine". How Obama will be able to stifle free speech by giving each side equal time is beyond me. But don't worry, he's not going to do anything about the fairness doctrine, so you get to keep you wingnut reason-free radio and fauxnews.
As for the whitehouse website asking for people to post "fishy" messages. I just reported yours, so get ready for those black helicopters to come descending down at any moment...
Finally, about Humana. This company, in its role in providing a Medicare Advantage package had entered into a contractual relationship with the federal government. One of the stipulations of this agreement was that the only communications they were allowed to have with their customers was to inform them of policy changes and other items of purely informational nature. Any messages of advocating policy positions needed approval of Medicare, which Humana did not get in this case. They violated the terms of their contract with Medicare when they sent out that mailer. Humana received subsidies from the federal government to provide their Medicare advantage plan at a huge profit to themselves, so if they wanted to pass up on this form of corporate welfare they could've passed on the agreement in the first place. This is not a free-speech issue, and if you'd turn off Glenn Beck and stop worrying about the Marxist boogeymen you seem to see in every corner of the Obama administration, you'd know that.
Posted by Jerry, a resident of the Oak Hill neighborhood, on Sep 29, 2009 at 1:15 am
In the event no one else had done so, a friend reported himself to the "Fishy Website"........He disappeared a few weeks ago. We don't know if "they" got him or he's running away from spousal support...:)
Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community, on Sep 29, 2009 at 9:53 am jimf01 is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
PB, are you really that ignorant about the issues surrounding the fairness doctrine? You ought to already be aware that the fairness doctrine is being repackaged as localism. In 2007, Obama himself submitted a pro-localism written statement to an FCC hearing. A month later, he sent a letter to the FCC Chairman stating, “The Commission has failed to further the goals of diversity in the media and promote localism.”
Podesta is Obama's point man on localism, his Center for American Progress, who btw just hired a guy name Van Jones who just lost his White House job has a report out, "The Structural Imbalance of Political Talk Radio"
What it boils down to is a free speech issue. You know full well that the equal time scenario you present would lead to financial ruin for radio stations which are profitable due to conservative talk radio. Progressive talk radio is an utter failure as a business. Air America, etc. Even green 960 in the SF Bay Area has their drive-time afternoon host on the internet begging for donations. If anyone was actually listening, they could make money.
The summer of town hall meetings is another, much more benign, way that the voice of the people is being shut down. Our own Rep, Jerry McNerney refused requests to hold an in person town hall and hear from his constituents about Health Care Reform. Instead he had a conference call. McNerney's people ran the call of course, and despite the there were 5000 callers, exactly 12 of them got to say something in an hour plus, and 9 of those were in favor of ObamaCare. No followup questions, no real voice of opposition.
?! already called out Mark Lloyd above, who openly praised Hugo Chavez and his "incredible revolution"
Scary? Here is scary: The bill...also grants the Secretary of Commerce "access to all relevant data concerning [critical] networks without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule, or policy restricting such access." Kiss your checks and balances goodbye.
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Sep 29, 2009 at 10:04 am Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
The radio spectrum is regulated by the government because it is a limited public resource. It isn't like a newspaper or an internet website, of which there is an ability to have an unlimited number. One radio station can interfere with another if they didn't follow their licensing requirements. Therefore, it is in the interest of access to a public resource that free speech is protected through limiting radio stations by number, by broadcasting power, by frequency, etc.
Remember when ABC broadcast Obama? If the Fairness Doctrine were in place, ABC would have to offer equal airtime to an opposing viewpoint. Online or in the print world, an opposing viewpoint could set up their own publication very easily. But in the broadcasting world, an opposing viewpoint cannot do the same because the airwaves are already taken by others.
The folks on there are very angry. And surprisingly, it is often Obama who they are angry with. They do not want a public option, they want single payer. They want Afghanistan called off and the troops home, all of them, now. They want Bush and Cheney in jail, now! I hear people on there express complete bewilderment, shocked that Obama hasn't done all of these things already. I am not exaggerating.
Posted by Patriot Liberal, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Sep 29, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Well it appears that my Anti American Sentiment topic has been turned into the ANTI Community Of Character Topic!
Any chance to argue and name call here huh?
Anyone posting have children in Pleasanton Schools? Did you get the Community Of Character Sheet? It explains basic ground rules for CIVILITY, which IS EXPECTED as early as FIRST GRADE in our CIOMMUNITY SCHOOLS, ;-)
Perhaps we should have a PUSD FORUM where our kids can conduct their differences the same way their parents do here on the Weekly Forum.
We have had MANY middle and high school kids wheigh in on many topics so, we can lead by example for them.
Posted by m, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 29, 2009 at 6:16 pm
No "Julie" ... I guess it's better they see the sex and drugs that are on teen-TV everyday. If you don't believe me, then go see the PBS FRONTLINE Series on Merchants of Cool ... yep, your kids are doing nasties that you may not even know about ... don't trust me ... trust PBS
Posted by Julie, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 29, 2009 at 7:15 pm Julie is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
m, why does not wanting my kids to experience the many rude people on this forum who have no idea how to debate graciously need to equal that they instead would be watching sex and drugs on teen t.v.? Here we go again..it's black or it's white. I like my kids to experience positive adult role models. And yes, I'm sure that my kids are doing some things that are inappropriate. They are teenagers and I am a 40 something mom who does not kid herself.
And, my name really is Julie, you don't need to put it in quotes.
Posted by mark, a resident of another community, on Sep 30, 2009 at 1:09 am
To patriot liberal, if your not aware of this administrations, along with the previous administrations agenda to destroy the middle class and the countrys sovereignty, you simply are not paying attention to what is unfolding right before your eyes (History in the making as we commit the generations that follow to lifelong indebtedness). Don't think for one minute that you will get any of the facts from the nightly news or any other corporate mainstream media medium, it's not gonna happen.
Check out my post about the United Nations plan for America.
Beware of posters that seek to further that agenda. Some are pretty slick about portraying themselves as caring individuals with good faith intentions, but really are here to try and steer the direction of this forum to furthur a diabolical agenda.Stay Cool is a good example. I haven't been on this forum for awhile but I would bet my house that he has been on these types of threads like flys on ......., and having a field day. Its not hard to spot them once to get a feel for it. They've got a full bag of tricks to attack true patriots, their messages and/or any relevant truth, due to the infamous Edward Bernays, the king of manipulation and traitor to America.
Obama, Bush, Clinton, Reagan and Daddy Bush, all puppets that are owned by the same masters. You can replace the puppet, but you will get the same results because the policies do not change. You ought to be able to see that Obama is carrying the torch for Bush now, only it's like he's on steroids because they want to get as much out of him before enough Americans and the rest of the world WAKE-UP to what he is all about. People will come to despise him much like Bush, and then the next "savior" will assume his role, and I'm betting it is Ron Paul, which is sad because he comes off as being a real patriot, and at one time I would have supported, but the evidence that I'm finding says otherwise. Washington DC is 99% owned and controlled puppets.
Sooner or later most of the sleeping Americans will wake up, but will it be in time to save the country?
Americans number 1 and 2 enemies and reasons for this countrys destruction are: The Federal Reserve (Private &Central) Bank and The United Nations. Anyone tells you otherwise are either ignorant in this regard or are flat out lying and serve only to further Americas demise.
Challenge to Stay Cool, AGAIN: Try and dispute and/or debate with me that last paragraph. To date, you have avoided this debate everytime, but have chose to try and discredit many other truths that I posted. Probably don't want to give anymore attention to this subject matter because there is to much at stake if Americans were to wake up to these criminal acts perpetrated against all Americans. Slippery enough to know not to take the chance on exposing this sleeping GIANT, kind of like the effect that Pearl Harbor had on what was considered a sleeping giant back then. America did not want to go to war before Pearl Harbor, but the following day 1 MILLION men enlisted in the service to fight that war.
This ABOMINATION is on our Watch
STAND UP and be COUNTED PATRIOTS, if not now, when? The time is NOW. You have a duty to seek out the truths and to act accordingly. Freedom is not free, vigilance is required.
Thomas Jefferson had this to say,
"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which
is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of
the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such
misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."
These southern boys know what is going on in the real world:
Posted by Parent of Two, a resident of the Val Vista neighborhood, on Sep 30, 2009 at 9:30 am Parent of Two is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Hmmm, Mark sounds suspiciously like that guy "Privatize" that invaded the boards around election time last year... Remember him? He was the guy who wanted to dissolve the Federal Reserve, and posted something about it in every single thread.
Posted by Billie, a resident of the Mohr Park neighborhood, on Sep 30, 2009 at 10:48 am
Hmmmmm . . .
That Jefferson quote is sure getting some milage from the anti-Obama/government "patriot" mob. Of course, it isn't he first time it's been proudly touted by those who hate our government, those who govern, and those who support it. When Timothy McVey was arrested he was wearing a t-shirt imprinted with the words from Jefferson's quote: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants." I guess all those innocent men, women and children in Oklahoma City were just "natural manure" for the "patriot" cause.
Oh, and "mark", watched the video, and you're right, the Hitler salute and all it represents, as well as the Confederate battle flag and everything it stands for, are exactly what I would expect you to support, given the nature of your posts.
Posted by mark, a resident of another community, on Sep 30, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Well billie that just ruined my day knowing that you didn't miss me. you are the reason i came back, i thought we both felt that way, and parent of 2, sorry to disappoint you, but I have no reason to nor did i use any other name. hold on, i did have to register once in order to post on one thread. But it did not allow me to use the name "mark" so i signed on as "marko", there you have it. To bad privatise is not around though. He probably got tired of trying to reason with unreasonable know it alls that know nothing but what they are told to believe by there masters. Dumbed Down Americans
Posted by mark, a resident of another community, on Sep 30, 2009 at 10:37 pm
To parent of two,
You say the guy "invaded the boards" and he "wanted to dissolve the Federal Reserve, and posted something about it in every single thread."
If what you say is true, then I assume that he knew the facts regarding the Federal Reserve Bank (FED). Anyone that knows the truth about the FED also knows that the Federal Reserve Act is the most damaging law and biggest fraud ever to have been perpetrated against the American people.
Did you know that the FED is not part of the government period, but is a private for proffit bank and most of the "share holders" are foreigners? These "share holders" own the FED.
Did you know that the US government has absolutely no oversight of the FED?
Did you know that when our government needs money, they have to borrow that money from the FED, and pay interest on that money?
Did you know that the FED creates that money out of thin air?
Did you know that every single dollar that is collected for income tax is paid to the FED every year, and it does not even pay off the interest on the money that this country owes to the FED?
Did you know that the FED gives all of that money to the "share holders" and they do not even pay taxes on any of their gains?
Did you know that the IRS was created the same year that the Federal Reserve Act was passed, that being 1913?
The Rothschild Banking Family are the key owners of the FED. This is a quote from Mayer Amschel Rothschild the Godfather of the Rothschild Banking Cartel of Europe:
"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws."
I see you are so fond of Thomas Jefferson quotes, here is another one:
"If the American people ever allow private banks
to control the issue of their money,
first by inflation and then by deflation,
the banks and corporations that will
grow up around them,
will deprive the people of their property
until their children will wake up homeless
on the continent their fathers conquered."
These are all facts and there is much more. The bottom line is the FED owns the government, the country, they own me, they own you, they own everything.
The question is, what are you going to do?
Are you going to blow this off by convincing yourself that it just can't be true?
Apparently that is what you and most of the other people on this have done. You complain about "that guy PRIVATIZE" and I'm sure that he was posting the same facts and trying to get the people to wake up to the fraud that effects us everyday of our lives. If it were not for the FED we would not pay income tax period. Income tax is still to this day, illegal and is unconstitutional. Wouldn't you like to have all of the income tax that you paid to Rothschild, Rockefellar and other Banksters?
Do you think that I am taking the time to do this for kicks? I assure you that there are many other things Iwould rather be doing than sitting here doing this. Iam trying to wakeup Americans to this fraud so that we can take our country back.
I can only assume that you have two kids. If nothing else, you owe it to your kids to at least investigate this matter further.
I'll take off the gloves if you want to ask any guestions in good faith. Everything I claimed is fact and can be found on the internet without much effort. The quotes above are 100% correct, the Banksters are making the laws and our children or there children will all wake up one day homeless in this country, as one of their goals is to obtain absolutely all property.
I have one more quote, by Henry Ford:
"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
"The American School included three cardinal policy points:
1. Support industry: The advocacy of protectionism, and opposition to free trade - particularly for the protection of "infant industries" and those facing import competition from abroad. Examples: Tariff of 1816 and Morrill Tariff
2. Create physical infrastructure: Government finance of internal improvements to speed commerce and develop industry. This involved the regulation of privately held infrastructure, to ensure that it meets the nation's needs. Examples: Cumberland Road and Union Pacific Railroad
3. Create financial infrastructure: A government sponsored National Bank to issue currency and encourage commerce. This involved the use of sovereign powers for the regulation of credit to encourage the development of the economy, and to deter speculation. Examples: First Bank of the United States, Second Bank of the United States, and National Banking Act