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by The Farmer, Castlewood,
on Sep 27, 2009
What a joke! Teachers are being laid off, class sizes are increasing, budgets are continually being cut, stimulus money hasn't trickled down, and we're going to increase the school year and the school day? Chile, please!
Obama is out of line. I won't vote for him again, regardless of who the GOP candidate is.
So he is trying to make everyone suffer just so the poor kids can have a safe place to be after school and on weekends? He is basically trying to eliminate differences between families, so we all have to suffer. And that secretary of education.... should be replaced, they are only thinking about how to solve poor families' problems. So do that: get these families to stay in school as long as they need to but do not make it our problem, and do not punish our kids.
My children are very busy after school, and I already think that the 3 pm dismissal time is too long. With all the sports, music and other activities, plus their homework, they are very busy. They would not have time for additional hours at school. If Obama gets his way, I guess I would have to home school.
He is completely wrong, first health care and now this!
Resident, you may be on to something. You're the parent here; if you think your children spend too much time in school, by all means pull them out. Just don't be too surprised if your children are "left behind."
Anyone would agree that meaningful time in the classroom is a good thing.
I really hope you're joking, cuz if so that's a great post. Hilarious. If not, someone should call CPS on your kids...
I think what'll end up happening is the extra school time will be dedicated to teaching the kids songs in praise of obama. He'll prolly have ACORN come in to run the sessions and they'll pass out condoms and informational packets on how to setup brothels. Meanwhile all the private school kids will stop by an hurl insults at them. Neener neener neener...we got out at 3!!!
Should be quite interesting and wonder what it will be like when our kids go to school like in Japan where they get out at 5 at night and go to cram school on Saturdays. If nothing else it should cut down on the P Town kids drinking and doing drugs after school. The teacher will lose their minds though
Did you read the article?
"Kids in the U.S. spend more hours in school (1,146 instructional hours per year) than do kids in the Asian countries that persistently outscore the U.S. on math and science tests â€” Singapore (903), Taiwan (1,050), Japan (1,005) and Hong Kong (1,013). That is despite the fact that Taiwan, Japan and Hong Kong have longer school years (190 to 201 days) than does the U.S. (180 days)."
Yes, Resident, I did read the article. Did you? Or did you just pick out the parts you liked best? There is copious evidence that additional time can lead to better results. The article cites several examples.
So what do you think explains why asian countries do better than the US in math and science even though the students spend less time in class than in the US?
More time in class is obviously not the solution for the US problems. The US is already the country that has kids in school the most hours per year (1,146 hours, versus for example Japan with only 1,005).
What other countries do, if you actually read the article as you say, is have more days in school (190 to 201 vs the US with only 180) - they do not have longer days, just more days.
Besides, if you really read the article, you would have noticed what the concern seems about: a safe place for kids to be after school. The concern is not for all kids, but just for those who do not have after school activities, no summer school.
"Disadvantaged kids, on the whole, make no progress in the summer, Alexander said. Some studies suggest they actually fall back. Wealthier kids have parents who read to them, have strong language skills and go to great lengths to give them learning opportunities such as computers, summer camp, vacations, music lessons, or playing on sports teams. "
""Those hours from 3 o'clock to 7 o'clock are times of high anxiety for parents," Duncan said. "They want their children safe. Families are working one and two and three jobs now to make ends meet and to keep food on the table.""
I could quote more, but you can just read the article.
Maybe you only know families whose kids are not engaged in productive activities after school, but all the families we hang out with have the same kind of activities as we do: sports, music, academic enrichment classes, and our kids do very well on standardized tests.
School until 5 pm may be needed for some, but not all US kids.
I guess if the Obama administration thinks it can reverse 'global warming' then it should be a cinch to make days and years longer.
The reason Asian countries score better than US students is primarily due to the respect shown to teachers, and the value that people place on eductation in those countries. Many Asian countries also "teach the test" which for better or worse also leads to higher scores. Personally, I think we should extend the school year. Summer was for students to go home and help with the summer harvest, which obviously is no longer the case for the vast majority of students. I think transitioning to a longer (no of days) school year would be more beneficial than extending the number of hours in each day.
Personally I am not into extending the school day. I'm for quality over quantity. Remember, "correlation does not imply causation". It may be something else besides the length of the school day that contributes to academic success in other countries. There are so many factors going on - some of which Pleasanton Parent touched on, e.g. cultural values.
I also want my kids to have time to be kids.
"SAFE" NATIONAL baby-sitting is one thing, intense MATH & SCIENCE is something else. But, we all know it wouldn't be math & science would it ??? More horror about the current earth cycle we're in, and more social engineering and 'preferences' for selected 'groups'.
Another case of Obama pandering to the lowest common denominators... Rather than consider the masses, he is gearing almost all of his policies and rhetoric towards the "disadvantaged". Rather than improve conditions for ALL students, he just wants to help the ones who are too lazy to help themselves.
Just like his health plan.
Just because I know you love the Bush references PO2- what do you think No Child Left Behind is? Do you even realize the ramifications that program has brought to public education?
How is this proposal not good for all children? What, it will interfere with their soccer practice?
re: "he just wants to help the ones who are too lazy to help themselves.....Just like his health plan."
In 2 or 3 years when your company holds a meeting and informs you that it's dropping healthcare coverage because premiums have reached over 20k/year/employee and they simply can't afford it anymore, I'll hope you keep in mind how lazy you are and how it's your own fault for not being able to make enough money to cover that 20k tab on your own...
The problem with your reply is that you assume Obama's healthcare reform will actually fix the real problems: rising cost of health care, no coverage for pre-existing conditions, etc.
If you read the plan, and Obama's main objective is to have a public option, healthcare for all.
The problems with healthcare that need immediate fixing should be addressed, but trying to give healthcare to everyone right now is probably not a good idea. Where does Obama suggest we get the money for that? We already have so much debt, the dollar is going down, it is a mess. Fix the economy first, then talk about giving everyone healthcare.
And the longer school days are not required, the US already has kids in school the most hours (even more than Japan) yet the results in science and math do not reflect that. And again, where is Obama going to get the money? Just here in PUSD we are struggling with all the cuts to education from the state, and the federal govt is suggesting more hours? Where is the money for all these silly ideas?
And if you read the article posted above, yes, Obama is worried about helping disadvantaged kids, and he is using the excuse that we need to do better on test scores.... well, some kids already do very well in school, on standardized tests, and successfully get into college, graduate and do well in their professional lives.
Obama's plans are not for all.
You may want to read this article, it talks about the percentage of people not paying federal taxes:
Maybe these are the same people who are all for universal healthcare and a free daycare until 5 pm?
Is Obama going to send our kids to private schools like Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard like he went to without any money nor a job? The campaigner in chiefs weak act is wearing thin................................to quote a great phrase "where's the beef?"
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