Harvest Park student arrested for ecstasy possession, distribution Schools & Kids, posted by Editor, Pleasanton Weekly Online, on Sep 25, 2009 at 12:30 pm
A 13-year-old boy was arrested Thursday after allegedly possessing and furnishing the drug ecstasy to some students, according to police. The student, who was not named because he is a minor, allegedly brought the drug on campus and gave it to three girls in the eighth grade.
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Posted by really, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 25, 2009 at 12:30 pm
"It's not a very common occurrence (in Pleasanton), especially at a middle school," Tryphonas added.
really? i hear kids talk about this stuff all the time. maybe parents should pay more attention to what there children are REALLY doing. not only ecstasy, but pot, mushrooms and acid... i remember it was around when i was in middle school at pleasanton.
Posted by m, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 25, 2009 at 1:51 pm
I'm not sure I want to lay it on the footsteps of parents. Kids have a lot of individual free time. They make a lot of decisions based on peer alignment. Is it a sign of the times or a sign that bad behavior is closer to our doorstep than we think???
Posted by Parent of Two, a resident of the Val Vista neighborhood, on Sep 25, 2009 at 2:04 pm Parent of Two is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Well, maybe the person who wrote the first reply should come up with some names of the drug distributors in the middle schools. And if your kids talk about it "all the time", maybe you should stop posting in here, and have your kids talk to the cops.
Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore, on Sep 25, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Hey students...you're still not out of the woods...educate yourselves about X...pay attention for the next month to any unusual symptoms and tell your parents...they can continue for awhile.
If parents don't get on this, there children might be dead before graduation from high school. Tell parents if they ask the name of the 13 yr. old and stay away from him and his pals. He might be working for a dealer. And I mean stay away from the 13 years bad news!
Posted by PToWN94566, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 25, 2009 at 6:22 pm PToWN94566 is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
I disagree with the article (Tryphonas)- it is an occurrence in this town and I wouldn't doubt that some student at tonight's pig roast has either had a few drinks before hand or smoked some weed. I went to Harvest Park in the from 1994-1996 and I remember at least twice a year school administrators doing random locker checks; every time they would find something illegal, ranging from pot to cocaine. It only got worse in high school as a large group of students would gather near the softball fields and smoke cigarettes.
Even at Foothill things like this happen. A student from their softball team back in the early 2000's was kicked off the team for drinking in the parking lot. Drinking and doing drugs in this town is NOT a new phenomenon.
Posted by Me Too, a resident of the Canyon Creek neighborhood, on Sep 25, 2009 at 9:00 pm
"These students should be expelled for the rest of the school year."
Why? All expelling them does is send them to a new school (which Pleasanton has to pay for). They should be arrested and as a juvi it really doesn't mean much, but repeated offenses do. So maybe they will learn a lesson. And as most of you are probably very good parents, you would certainly deal with the situation (if it were your kid) at home in a VERY strict manner. Expelling them does nothing, except send them to a place where they may likely be outcast and then lead to more drug use. While I'm not a big fan, making them go to drug/alcohol class for endless hours is also a good punishment.
Posted by john, a resident of the Bonde Ranch neighborhood, on Sep 25, 2009 at 9:12 pm
I don't think it's that uncommon, yet parents are leaving their kids unsupervised after school because they don't want to argue with them that they need supervision. Statistics show that the most dangerous time for middle school students in immediately after school. Parents...beware. Your kids have access to these drugs.
Posted by concerned, a resident of the Pleasanton Valley neighborhood, on Sep 25, 2009 at 10:31 pm
So taking drugs is illegal...but only the boy that SUPPLIED the drugs has to deal with anything other than being suspended for days? The ones who TOOK the drugs have no legal consequences? Being suspended for two days (Monday, Tuesday) seems like nothing.
Posted by parent of 2 good kids, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 25, 2009 at 11:33 pm
"making them go to drug/alcohol class for endless hours is also a good punishment"
Great idea -- but make the useless parents attend each and every session as well. Guaranteed, those parents buy every cell phone, ipod, designer jean, or anything else the brats want, then fail to supervise them at all. The parents of this town live in their little worlds of entitlement, giving their kids everything without earning any of it and then they expect "the schools" or "the teachers" or what the hell, "the Easter bunny" to discipline and direct their kids.
I raised two of them with no issues at all and they are now productive members of society. It was a full time job and I did not expect everyone else to do what was my responsibility.
Stop breeding if you have no intention of raising your kids to be something other than a burden on the rest of us.
Posted by Concerned Parent, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 26, 2009 at 2:06 am
I have known 1 of these girls for many years. I have seen a sad path of self destruction that I'm sure will only continue. Crying out for attention that will probably never come from home. I would guess there is a family history of drug abuse. My child tried a long time ago to reach out to no avail.
[Portion removed due to hearsay]
The boy that was arrested & expelled received such a harsh punishment because he brought it on campus & distributed it. The others took it.
As parents we need to have open minds & not be naive! Drugs are EVERYWHERE! I grew up in a small city nearby known for drugs & other crime, yet I was never offered anything more than marijuana & alcohol. These kids have money at their disposal & little supervision. Many save up lunch money to spend on whatever they want.
Sad, but what can a commmunity do to help a child who's parents don't do their part?
Posted by Sandra, a resident of the Canyon Oaks neighborhood, on Sep 26, 2009 at 9:48 am
I have known this family for many years and this is so very out of character for this former "gate" student. I feel he would never do such a thing if the idea wasn't put in his head by some girls he was pressured to impress.
Posted by concerned partent, a resident of the Foothill Knolls neighborhood, on Sep 26, 2009 at 1:06 pm
So it sounds to me that the boy was the only one in trouble with the police? What about the girls that gave him money and took the drug at school? They just get their parents called and a suspention from school? Something is not right with this system...
Posted by DMC, a member of the Amador Valley High School community, on Sep 26, 2009 at 1:54 pm
"Any responsible parent would make sure that their kids STAY AWAY FROM THE LOSERS, which is to say any kids that is doing drugs or alcohol.
STICK WITH THE WINNERS! Don't let drugs and the people tha tdo drugs drag you down and ruin your life."
Please, drugs are not as bad as you make them out to be. Anyone who uses drugs as a teen is a "loser"? Well then, the majority of teens in this town are headed for failure. Yes, there are a select few that move on to harder drugs and die young (Tomo), but the majority of kids that experiment with drugs (alcohol, prescription or OTC meds, and pot) turn out just fine.
Posted by PToWN94566, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 26, 2009 at 2:15 pm PToWN94566 is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
"Please, drugs are not as bad as you make them out to be. Anyone who uses drugs as a teen is a "loser"? Well then, the majority of teens in this town are headed for failure. Yes, there are a select few that move on to harder drugs..."
So distributing and using ecstasy isn't considered a hard drug? Taking a little pill that is a concoction of many drugs usually is considered hard. Ecstasy that is available today usually isn't pure MDMA; cocaine, heroin, meth and an assortment of other drugs usually can be found in the pills.
I think the point that some posters are missing is that children/teens shouldn't even have the desire to experiment with them. So many of the drugs classes stress the importance of "Just Say No," but how often is there a discussion of "there's absolutely no importance or need in experimenting with drugs just to see what it likes"? Cholo's words are very true- parents should be speaking to their children and finding out why they are friends with such people in the first place.
In response to the poster about being shocked because of the student being a former gate student- that really isn't new news either. Many college students (and I wouldn't doubt that it's also happening in high schools) take some sort of upper to keep them alert and awake, to study longer, to party longer etc. It's these kinds of actions that make a person abuse drugs.
I'm curious too as to what is happening to the students who took the drugs. No suspension or drug class? It's not like the whole school isn't going to find out, but maybe the school should hold a school wide assembly and have the students all involved in this situation speak; admit that they took drugs, discuss the consequences etc. I doubt that would ever happen, but I bet they would feel ashamed enough to not want to go near them again (hopefully).
Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore, on Sep 26, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Stick With The Winners! Too bad the LOSERS got caught up with drugs but if you want to stay clean & sober, Stay Away From The Losers!
There is no way to know if one the 4 kids is a DEALER. You never know AS THE LOSERS LIE BIG TIME! That's why it's best to stay away from all of the kids that do alcohol and/or drugs. Too many kids have lost their lives, their futures, etc. by doing drugs and/or alcohol. Why risk it? Also, the kids that don't care what happens to them also DON'T CARE WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU. Not to forget, their parents also don't care what happens to you. They're too irresponsible to care about their own kids so why would they waste their time thinking about you? To them, you're a waste of time.
There are lots of teen dealers in schools. If one approaches you and offers you a free sample, report it to your parents. Report to the police and also to the school principle.
If you know who the kids are that were busted, tell your school mates so that they can inform their parents. Tough luck Losers. Stay away from sane and healthy kids. If you wanna harm yourself, then that's your choice. Don't drag innocent kids along your goofy path. Hit the road and don't come back no more. LOSERS...
Posted by Consequences, a member of the Harvest Park Middle School community, on Sep 26, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Suspension is not enough. Mr. Hanson should gather all the students into the multi purpose room with these 4 kids to set an example. He needs let the students know who these 4 kids are and that they got caught in possession of drugs in HPMS. In doing so, hopefully, kids will not follow their footsteps.
Posted by Confused, a member of the Harvest Park Middle School community, on Sep 26, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Headline: "Police say three eighth grade girls allegedly took drug at the middle school" and the Sgt says it was not "significantly apparent" the girls were under the influence of drugs, even though they were said to have ingested it"
Im confused....., the girls admitted to taking the drugs on school campus, yet the police released them to their parents with no consequences from the PD and only a 3 day suspension? THEY TOOK DRUGS ON SCHOOL PROPERTY ON SCHOOL TIME....I believe the boy who supplied the drugs is definaltely going to be facing the music...but what kind of example does this show the girls and other students, as long as you take drugs but dont look to screwed up we will let you go home for three days and then come back???????
Posted by parent of 2 good kids, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 26, 2009 at 4:15 pm
You are all missing the big picture -- make the PARENTS suffer consequences along with the so-called good kids if you want to see anything really happen. It is the irresponsible parents who have created and nurtured these kids, who WILL become burdens on society. Force the parents and the kids to attend drug classes, speak to assemblies at school about their lack of parenting and then something might actually happen. So many Pleasanton parents are unfit to take care of a rock let alone a child.
Posted by Pleasanton Parent, a resident of the Old Towne neighborhood, on Sep 26, 2009 at 6:20 pm
I put a small percentage of blame on most parents. Taken in perspective, there are a lot of good parents being scammed by kids like these (normal at home - wannabe gangstas at school). Pleasanton is squeaky clean compared to some other communities around here. And for that I thank the Pleasanton PD for DARE and other programs.
Posted by yomama, a resident of the Amador Estates neighborhood, on Sep 27, 2009 at 9:47 am
To "parent of 2 good kids" - oh I bet your kids have done stuff that you know nothing about. Did you follow your kids everywhere they went? Even while they're at school? There's no way for parents to be with their kids 100% of the time. Parenting has a lot to do with how kids end up but at the end of the day it's the kid who makes the choice to either do drugs or not - even with the best parenting, kids do bad things (I know, I went to a Christian school and you'd be surprised how many kids drink, have sex, etc)
Posted by supporter, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 27, 2009 at 5:50 pm
To Parent of 2 good kids: It's disturbing you are part of our community. It's such a high horse you are perched upon! You freely pass judgement on people and situations you know very little about. Some kids experiemnt with drugs, some kids do stupid things and regret it. It's part of growing up. It does not make them bad kids or make their parents unfit to be parents. With certainy, it is a wake up call for the parents. With the help of drug classes, counseling and open discussions, hopefully, these families can change the path these children are on. They need our SUPPORT during this time, not tongue lashes from ignorant members of our community.
Posted by Patriot Liberal, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Sep 27, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Part One of Two:
Experimenting with drugs can be a normal part of growing up and
an individual can be lucky enough not to get a "bad dose" and die and even end up quite successful.
Case in point:
Some of the most creative wealthiest men in the world, from the Bay Area:
We can thank these guys for the very computer and software we're using to communicate this issue.
Some individuals can have all the fame and success the world has to offer and drown their sorrows with drugs and die!
Case in point:
Michael Jackson, Marylin Monroe and thousands of others.
Part two tomorrow, my personal experience and some deep insight into factors behind experimenting with drugs.
In the mean time, to understand today's youth more clearly, think about the political divide, the anger and hostility within this communites parents and think about divorce. I know from first hand experience that their can be added teen pressures and temptation to veer off the path of normalcy, by way of growing up in an affluent atmosphere as well.
Also use GOOGLE and research (EMO)(Cutting) (Teen depression and suicide) for insight into the complexities of today's youth.
Posted by Pleasanton Parent, a member of the Harvest Park Middle School community, on Sep 27, 2009 at 10:46 pm
I was shocked to read this article! I have a sixth grade daughter who goes to Harvest Park. I pick her up every day after school as she walks out to meet me at the Walnut Grove Park. My eyes will be WIDE open from now on! It frightens me to hear of such young students already experimenting with drugs like ecstasy. I wish there was a solution to this problem. Will definitely be having a talk with my daughter about the dangers of drugs.
Posted by Ptownlifer, a resident of the Danbury Park neighborhood, on Sep 28, 2009 at 9:04 am
OK, so I grew up here and when I went to Fairlands there were drugs goiong around. When I was in the 6th grade which then was part of elementary school people were passing around pot. At Harvest Park you could get almost anything you want. High school was even worse. People smoked pot in the bathroom. Hell I even sold pot to the football team. Then don't forget the game station that was the hub. You can't blame this on the parents. I sold pot to kids in AP classes and on sports teams that came from very good households. They had good relationships with their parents and got good grades but still smoked pot or did worse.
Posted by fed up, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 28, 2009 at 9:17 am
the school district, in conjunction with the legal system, should implement a policy that ALL kids suspended or expelled for drug use/possession be enrolled in a MANDATORY 3-month outpatient drug rehabilitation/diversion program before being offered the priviledge of returning to school. Completion of the program should be mandatory.
Posted by ANONY, a resident of the Foothill Farms neighborhood, on Sep 28, 2009 at 9:33 am
IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH THIS STATEMENT:::::::::
the school district, in conjunction with the legal system, should implement a policy that ALL kids suspended or expelled for drug use/possession be enrolled in a MANDATORY 3-month outpatient drug rehabilitation/diversion program before being offered the priviledge of returning to school. Completion of the program should be mandatory
Posted by support, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 28, 2009 at 9:39 am
Message to the Parents of the children who have tried or have been exposed to drugs of any kind, particularly in middle school I highly recommend the counseling offered by the school through the Pleasanton Police Dept. The fee is about $60. and well worth it the counselor was great – explaining the effects, placing the fear and offered suggested resolutions . It was a real eye-opener for our middle schooler as well as for my husband and I. Drugs are quite prevalent in middle school, at the time we thought only high school, but middle school is wide spread as well. A year later our middle schooler is quite aware, and as a family we are a lot closer in our communication (I also continued outside counseling for on-going awareness and to make sure we addressed all that may have been going on). It does start at home and at the middle school level there are programs that your middle school administration can support you, today you just cannot take anything to chance, especially with who they are communicating with via text, phone, IM, etc. (Yes we have a strict house rule when and check cell phones on a regular basis). We went through all of the emotions, oh not our middle schooler, questioning the who, why, what, when and how's and took the responsibility to partner with the school, manage our middle schooler and modify things as a family to address this silent "killer" in our schools. Several other families were attendance as well and it can happen to any family in this great town just be prepared to acknowledge that it can happen to your child as well. I hope the students who were suspended attend this course.
Posted by ANONY, a resident of the Foothill Farms neighborhood, on Sep 28, 2009 at 9:39 am
-Kids with great grades are the most pressured from their parents, and peer pressure.
-PPD; are the doing enough undercover work seeking out these drug dealers? or are they more apt to give a speeding ticket?
-PUSD; are you doing weekly random locker and backpack checks?? Do you need a PARENT PATROL TEAM to help you out?
-PTA's; why aren't you helping out with the situation here?
-PARENTS; what are we doing about this??
KIDS; ectasy has killed, drugs have killed, is it really worth dying over? are you that foolish to think that it wont kill you??
-COMMUNITY; can we implement more teen clubs, weekend activities other than sports, something fun and silly? like sack races with prizes? How about family days every month, only for parents with middle school and then/or high school families??
PLEASE GIVE THESE IDEAS SOME THOUGHT.... I've worked with teens voluntarily for 25+ years, donating my time to help kids in need, just maybe we need to STEP UP??
Posted by Pleasanton Parent, a resident of the Vineyard Hills neighborhood, on Sep 28, 2009 at 10:45 am
Wow - lots of good comments and feedback...here is my 2 cents
First of all - parents - do your job. Know who your kids are hanging out with, what they are doing and where they are going. A lot of parents believe every lie their child tells them, because they don't want to believe their child could be bad or doing bad things. Check their stories out, call that parent they are supposed to be spending the night at. See if there is supervison at a party. Listen to what is being said in public. And why are your kids out so late? They should be home by 11 pm I know of a house where kids crash in the pool house all the time. No permission, parents don't know they are there...it is just known among "friends" that you can use this pool house whenever...just be gone by 7 am...Drinking...same thing...word is out who is drinking, so don't let your child associated with them. For god sake, be a responsible parent. Schools: do your job. Step up the consequences for having alcohol/drugs at school or being drunk at school, and make the parents part of the consequence. I read these kids facebook pages...they think it is hilaroius that they are suspended for being drunk at school...because they get to stay home...and for god sake parents punish the kids. They should lose all privelages (phones, computers, going out) schools take away their fun time (no senior trips etc). Schools: ENFORCE your dress code rules. God these girls run around like sluts, and even though paper is wasted year in and year out listing all the rules, no one enforces them. When I grew up no one wanted to go to the princiapls office..becasue you got the ruler over the knuckles and everyone in the school knew about it...these kids need some self humility when they've done wrong, maybe that will help deter others. Instead everyone trys to hush is up and suspend them for a few days. I can see it now....visualize "girl wearing a bright pink t-shirt that reads: I got caught bring alcohol to school and I have to wear this shirt to school for 2 weeks and scrub the football bleachers...."
Posted by Disturbing Facts, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 28, 2009 at 12:48 pm
It just amazes me that some parents dont think it is wrong to just let your kids roam the city. My kids think my huband and I are a pain because we want to know what our kids are doing, who they are with and sometimes it annoys me that when I allow my kid to go over to their friends homes and speak to the parents who say they are far, we aren't doing anything, then I find out they left them there alone, I am ok with that but i'd like to know so I can keep tabs on my child.
Plus parents if your child is known to want to roam around town.. teach them to ask you to drive and not other parents...i have had many kids come over and throw out potential things to do and places to go...i always dive into the conversation and ask how they plan to get there...i've noticed a lot of kids just assume I would jump in my car and bring them anywhere...oops not me so sorry...i'd rather have my kid at my place even with his friends constantly over atleast I know who they are with and know what they are doing.
kids get into trouble when they are not given responsibility and time, make the weekend family day and atleast be with your kids a portion of the day, give them chores, make them do their homework...comeon parents not that hard, if they get mad who cares they are the kid... you are the parent
Posted by Pleasantonian, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Sep 28, 2009 at 3:57 pm
There isn't much for youth to do in our town. Newark has a youth center with all sorts of activities. Why not establish one here in Pleasanton?
This is from the PUSD e-connection:
You have until September 30 to offer your thoughts about the needs ofyouth in Pleasanton by taking the Youth Master Plan survey. Visit theCity's website at www.ci.pleasanton.ca.us and click on the "Got Opinions?"link.
Posted by Reasonable parent, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 28, 2009 at 4:27 pm
So maybe my teenager should be staying away from his latchkey friend with too much time on his hands. But how many of you have succeeded in separating your teen from their best friends? If you remember middle/high school yourself, you know it is not so easy to just one day decide to walk away from your "questionable" friend and have lunch with those "good kids". My tactic is to only let them "hang out" in public places where they are in sight of others, or hang out in parent-supervised homes. So far, no drugs, but I'm not so naive as to think that can't happen.
Eventually they all get drivers licenses and then they go off to college! Where even the "best" kids experiment with all kinds of things (does no one remember this??). While there are certainly tragedies, most turn out just fine and laugh about those experiences 25 years later. Getting caught and punished (and getting a police record) would, for most kids, do way more harm than the experimentation.
Not to say I want my 11 and 13 year old kids experimenting with ANYTHING. But we need to keep this all in perspective. A kid who is buying, selling or using at 12 or 13 is not on a good track. But it is insane to think that we can protect our kids from all exposure AND curiosity for a lifetime!
They need the perspective to know what is dangerous and needs reporting, what is merely a bad lifestyle choice, and when it's best to just laugh along with your friends and then find something more productive to do.
Posted by harvest park student - a kid who thinks this is outrageous, a member of the Harvest Park Middle School community, on Sep 28, 2009 at 5:04 pm
ok, so my friend told me about what happened and i was like, where did u here this - it sounds like just another one of those rumors going around about a group of kids that "are not on the patriot path" :P. Then today my mom told me that what happened was actually true and i wasn't that surprised. it's about time they get some punishment.
[Portion removed due to hearsay] and people are getting detentions for wearing a tank top that is completely dress code, but their bra strap just HAPPENED to slip a little so that it showed!!! does this sound right to you! these kid's need more punishment than just being allowed to sit at home and watch TV for 3 days! they need to be educated and the school should know what happened and be educated as well - the side effects of doing drugs AND the APPROPRIATE consequences that come with them! i hope that the students responsible can talk to the school about what happened. anyways, i'm still in shock that this ACTUALLY happened - i've always known this happens but i could never imagine actual kids MY AGE doing these serious drugs. hmmmmmmm.....
Posted by they should know, a member of the Amador Valley High School community, on Sep 28, 2009 at 6:12 pm
As a former Harvest Park student, I know these kids had Health class (which explians the dangers of drugs) in late 7th grade. They should have known better. When the school fails to react strongly, it sends the wrong message and makes it harder for us kids who are trying to do the right thing.
My mom works, but I know, one mis-step and she'll be all over me like the flying monkeys from The Wizard of Oz. Knowing that helps me remember to do the right thing, even when everybody else isn't
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Sep 28, 2009 at 8:52 pm Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
I think Disturbing Facts hits the nail on the head.
Patriot Liberal wrote a list above about famous drug users. I don't think it can be said that drugs were what made those people successful, both the "good" and the "bad" people, but drugs are indeed what brought those successful people down.
To the kids trying to do the right thing, keep it up. Not every adult experimented with drugs while they were growing up. And even if an adult in your life did, that doesn't make it right. Be better than that.
Posted by Pt, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Sep 29, 2009 at 5:58 am
Drugs have been at all the middle schools and high schools in Pleasanton for a very long time. My kids are in college. In 8th grade a parent told me that my son was OK (for their daughter). He might have friends who do drugs but he doesn't. I was surprised by the parent's statement. Not that my son didn't do drugs - that I was 90% sure of as I am of our daughter because they place so much on nutrition, exercise and their body and mind. I was confident he would stand up for himself - not so much about daughter & peer pressure.
Both kids thought DARE was a joke. The earlier years taught the K-2nd some very strange things - not from the parents' view but from what our kids told us and neighbor kids told their parents. Obviously, I'm talking about how the child understood what was being said.
I do not agree that being expelled helps anyone. More structure can. Drug rehab programs have LOTS! 1 neighbor kid went to one; 2 others probably should have been in outplacement; all 3 are now parents. At least they all graduated from AVHS or Foothill.