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Jimmy Carter - Just Shut Up

Original post made by Snarky on Sep 16, 2009

Jimmy Carter is an embarrassment. He was when he was President. He is now. I figured it would not take long for him to brand anyone who disagreed with Obama a racist. Jimmy, SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE! No one cares what you think. You were the worst president in U.S. History, and you have constantly made a fool of yourself since. Thanks to your complete incompetence, our economy was almost ruined, and you handed the keys to Iran over to the Islamist thugs (we are still paying for that brilliant move). Go back to your Peanut farm and put a sock in it.

You can disagree with Obama and his policies, and not be a racist. I for one am proud of our country for electing a minority to the office of President. And even though I disagree with his policies, he seems like a good guy. But for Jimmy the simpleton Carter to drag race into this is inexcusable.

Comments (67)

Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Sep 16, 2009 at 12:16 pm

I find nothing wrong with President Jimmy Carter voicing a personal opinion. Your line: Go back to your Peanut farm and put a sock in it." is funny!

I wasn't offended by what Rep. Wilson said and I don't think that he should have been reprimanded. These are difficult times, there is no one way to express oneself.


Posted by saj, a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Sep 16, 2009 at 12:52 pm

While Joe Wilson's shout out may not have been racially motivated, as a white woman, it is difficult for me to hear all the rhetoric that is being bandied about by the right without thinking there is some racist undercurrent. For example:

Audra Shay, the Young Republican leader who posted on Facebook that she agreed with comments stating that if you'd better be worried if the sun goes down on a "(Term removed as offensive for Town Square Forum)" in the south and "we need to take the country back from the c---- . . . "

Councilman Gary Frago has sent at least a half-dozen e-mails to city staff and other prominent community members containing racist jokes aimed at President Barack Obama, his wife and black people in general. Some compared Obama to O.J. Simpson while others suggested that "(Term removed as offensive for Town Square Forum)" should now be called "presidential solutions. His defense?? "I don't see where there's a story, I'm not the only one that does it," Fargo said in his defense, after the Merced Sun Star published the offensive emails. "I didn't originate them, they came to me and I just passed them on."

Or the "historical keepsake photo" sent around by a Tennessee state government staffer, the picture of watermelons on the White House lawn distributed by a California mayor.

Dr. David McKalip, a conservative activist who floated a picture of Obama as a witch doctor.

Or Rusty DePass comparing Michelle Obama to a gorilla.

Rush Limbaugh and the "Barack, The Magic Negro" song? Or stating "I had a dream that I was a slave building a sphinx in a desert that looked like Obama." Or his joke that food-safety advocates will go after all the unhealthy foods people like to eat, one by one -- but they'll have to wait until Obama is out of office to ban Oreos.

Glenn Beck "This president, I think, has exposed himself as a guy, over and over and over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people, or the white culture." I guess Glenn Beck forgot that the people that raised Obama and whom he loved deeply – namely his mother, and grandparents were white.


Posted by Stay Cool, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 16, 2009 at 1:14 pm

Don't forget Tea Party leader Mark Williams referring to Obama as an "Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug" and a "racist in chief."


Posted by Curious, a resident of Del Prado
on Sep 16, 2009 at 2:35 pm

"Worst president in US history"? Wow, that is a pretty heavy charge considering the last eight years. Those folks that hand out the Nobel Prizes must be real morons. And all those folks who participate in Habitat for Humanity - what fools!


Posted by Julie, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 16, 2009 at 4:45 pm

Julie is a registered user.

It's impossible to know for sure if there is a race issue or not. It's absurd to say that it "definitely doesn't exist", particularly given some of the examples. And, I've rarely met a person who brags about being racist. Basically, just because a person SAYS they aren't racist doesn't mean they aren't racist.

By the way, Snarky. Nice rebuttal to Jimmy Carter: "Just shut up". Boy, there are a lot of people who post on this forum to whom I'd LOVE to write that.


Posted by Poster boy, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 16, 2009 at 5:28 pm

It's interesting that the same people who are saying jimmy carter should just shut up are the same people defending joe wilson's right to make an ass of himself during obama's speech. Make up your minds already...


Posted by Bossk, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 16, 2009 at 6:20 pm

Curious,

You are correct. Carter was probably a mediocre president but his post-presidential career should make all Americans proud. I was glad to see him awarded the Nobel Prize in recognition of his service to the world.

Whether or not Wilson's remark were racially motivated is impossible to prove either way. The amount of disrespct directed toward the President is curious but tt could just be a sign of the times. I think the discussion of race is a good debate to have either way.


Posted by Snarky, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 16, 2009 at 10:24 pm

Look, I dislike Jimmy the Rabbit basher. The real question is can you criticize an African American in a position of power without the damn race card being played? What Joe Wilson did was disrespectful and unfortunate. But it is a big leap for Peanut Boy to recklessly speculate on his intentions.

FALSE accusations of racism dilute and water down the very concept, which is repulsive. The race card has been played so freely, often with sinister motives to benefit a handful of people (Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and other race baiters) that when we encounter a real incident of racism, we tend to be immune. Kind of like crying wolf, although on a much more troubling scale.

Racism is ugly and there is no room for it. But using the charge of racism for political gain is the most repulsive act of all. Maybe Jimmy should go back and hang out with his Hamas buddies. He can find out what real hatred and racism is. Except over there it is not a question of political gain... it is an excuse to kill innocent people.


Posted by McPleasanton, a resident of Vineyard Hills
on Sep 16, 2009 at 11:46 pm

"Republicans are men of narrow vision, who are afraid of the future." - Jimmy Carter

Um, lets see....you think Carter has an agenda? And isn't this the pot calling the kettle black? Seems he is discriminating against men in another party with this statement?

Carter clearly is getting his joys in trying to solidify the minority base within the Democratic party.You will hear the race card thrown about many more times before the 2012 election. Total BS. The man has done a lot of good in the world, but he has lost his marbles.


Posted by poster boy, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 17, 2009 at 12:26 am

It's important to note that from day one Obama himself and no member of his campaigns or his administration have ever played the race card. In fact, they make a point of distancing themselves from any attempt to do so...just look at how the administration has distanced themselves from carter today. Remember that Biden himself made a racially insensitive remark about Obama during the primary campaigns and Obama later nominated him as his VP. I think Obama is making a point of not defining his presidency based on race, but the unfortunate thing it's out there regardless.

I can't remember if Joe Wilson is active duty or not, but if so his behavior alone is a court-marshal offense. You do not raise your voice so disrespectfully to your superior officer...Obama is your commander-in-chief, after all. And now I see Joe Wilson is signing autographs of pictures of him yelling at obama. If a democratic lawmaker had ever done this to a GOP president, there'd be riots in the streets across the south...


Posted by m, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 17, 2009 at 8:24 am

It's hard to suggest that racism is not a part of this scenario... but I think everyone is wise enough to see the undertone. For example, listen to George Lopez's HBO Special On Demand ... this guy spends the first part of his act blurting racial statements ... no jokes ... just race. Honestly, I think we'll get past the race issue ... there are just way too many non-whites emerging into the main stream. But, don't worry, we'll find innovative ways to re-instill prejudice.


Posted by Billie, a resident of Mohr Park
on Sep 17, 2009 at 9:25 am

Snarky,
From your posts I get the feeling that you seem to think racism can only be identified if there is an overt act of violence associated with the usual derogatory words. Not so. Racism can be much more subtle than that.

Take for example the most recent event to spark this discussion - Rep. Joe Wilson's behavior in the Congressional chamber during President Obama's speech. Rep. Wilson says his remark was motivated purely by his feelings on illegal aliens and health care. Did he use a racial epitaph to describe Pres. Obama? No. Yet, when you look at Rep. Wilson's background, he comes from a place where his motives are not that clear.

Here is a man who grew up in the segregated South. A man who, as an aide to Sen. Strom Thurmond in the 60's, publically disavowed Sen. Thurmond's bi-racial daughter, even after she was recognized (although not in public) by Sen. Thurmond. He said that he doubted her claim, and that even if it was true, her coming forward "diminished" Sen. Thurmond's legacy. Would that be the legacy of Sen. Thurmond's very vocal opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1957?

Rep. Wilson was very opposed to the removal of the Confederate battle flag flying over the SC State House. In 1999, prior to his "no" vote regarding taking down the flag, he stated that "the Confederate heritage is very honourable." Would that be the heritage that included slavery?

Rep. Wilson is a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans organization. This is an organization that is committed to "the vindication of the cause for which we fought." One that has a Heritage Defense Fund to fight "violations" like the NAACP's "mean spirited attacks" and "continued intolerance" on flying the Confederate battle flag. Gee, I wonder why a person of color in the South might have a problem with that?

Then there's the minor details that HR3200 does, in fact, have specific language against covering illegal aliens, and, while Rep. Wilson claimed background as an immigration attorney to make his remarks, he was, in fact, a real estate attorney.

So, while Rep. Wilson disavows any racist motivation, I believe that his core beliefs, as shown by his other actions and associations, come from a place that is racially motivated, and that his racism manifested itself in the disrespect he showed for Pres. Obama under the cover of his "spontaneous" outburst.

You can absolutely disagree with Pres. Obama and his policies, but when that disagreement is couched in terms of misdirection, misinformation, fear tactics and partisan attacks on the person, rather than focused debate on the issue specifics, you have to wonder what else is driving the personal attacks and animosity that is being shown towards our first bi-racial President.


Posted by saj, a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Sep 17, 2009 at 9:34 am

Yes you can criticize an African American president on his policies. It is the racial slurs, images and name calling that bothers me. Critic his policy att you want but keep the racially charged "jokes" comments and images out of the debate


Posted by saj, a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Sep 17, 2009 at 9:37 am

The examples I posted above that are being sent around openly among the conservative movement are reprehensible and have nothing to do with actual policy debate.


Posted by Ken in South Pleasanton, a resident of Downtown
on Sep 17, 2009 at 10:00 am

I agree that Carter can say what he wants. But when such a statement comes from a person who commands national and international coverage simply because of his past, he should know better. His thoughtless comments are on par with his presidency...forgetable.


Posted by Parent of Two, a resident of Val Vista
on Sep 17, 2009 at 10:31 am

Parent of Two is a registered user.

My god, you Obama/Carter apologists don't seem to get it.

Joe Wilson was rude, disrespectful, and out of order to shout "You lie!" at Obama. It had NOTHING to do with racism, and to suggest it did, is race-baiting (and typical of the post-Presidential Carter, who is desperately trying to remain publicly relevant). Are people who disagree or criticize Bush anti-white?

Two main possibilities here:
Carter is freelancing, and just being the liberal equivalent of a senile old man on his porch, criticizing anyone that he doesn't agree with him... OR

Obama is using Carter to play the race card, so he can remain above the fray, but getting the race card into the public view. He might also just be secretly cheering and encouraging Carter to speak his faltering mind.

We'll see whether Obama expresses regret that Carter brought race into it.


Posted by SteveP, a resident of Parkside
on Sep 17, 2009 at 10:33 am

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Saj, the 'Barack the magic negro' comment was coined in an article in the L.A. Times. Look it up. Limbaugh just used it to illustrate the obvious double standard that leftists employ---if a liberal institution like the Times uses that term, it's consider inciteful. Anyone to the right of Nancy Pelosi, however, is called a racist for repeating what the Times printed.
Same issue when Obamas middle name was used. How could you ignore this obvious hypocrisy?


Posted by Snarky, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 17, 2009 at 11:07 am

As I see it, the issue is this:

Were Joe Wilson's comments rude and objectionable? Yes
Were they racist? Absolutely Not. What he shouted was not a racial attack.
Were his intentions or motivations racist? How will we ever know? He is an elected official, so he should be given the benefit of the doubt. But it is irresponsible for a former President (I say that loosely) to ascribe racist motivations to his actions, or anyone else's actions, without proof. Again, you cheapen the whole racism issue when you constantly play that card without a shred of proof.

Yes Jimmy should be admired for his work on Habitat for Humanity. But he should also be roundly criticized for cheap partisan race baiting. And his record of codling foreign enemies of the US against the wishes of the State Department is bordering on treasonous. He is a buffoon, and even Democrats are distancing themselves from this ignoramus.


Posted by Long Time Resident, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 17, 2009 at 12:26 pm

Jimmy the Peanut Farmer should keep his personal opinion to himself. If he does speak as a private citizen, he SHOULD state that before opening his mouth. He was the President of the U.S.A. and whenever he speaks, he still does carry that baggage. If one believes he is expressing his personal opinion, fine... but say so...


Posted by Long Time Resident, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 17, 2009 at 12:28 pm

Many Many of us disagree with Obamacare. Does that make us racists too? Come on! Ask yourself that!

Next time you say something 'bad' about another person of color, does that make you a racist? Ask yourself that question! Love to hear your answer!


Posted by Stay Cool, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 17, 2009 at 12:42 pm

Obviously, the argument is not that disagreeing with Obama's policies makes people racist. That is an oversimplification that does nothing to address the debate.
The argument is that there is an increase in rhetoric with hateful and often racist undertones, as shown in the examples given in earlier posts.


Posted by Parent of Two, a resident of Val Vista
on Sep 17, 2009 at 12:53 pm

Parent of Two is a registered user.

Wrong. The issue is that the left-wing is taking an isolated outburst by a single person, and attempting to formulate a race debate around it.

Jimmy Carter brought up race. Not Wilson (and not even Obama). So the person with the agenda is speaking from the left, and trying to stir up the racial undertones in order to promulgate a race/class war.


Posted by Stay Cool, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 17, 2009 at 12:58 pm

Wrong. The race debate existed before Jimmy Carter made a comment on it. I doesn't need to be formulated by anyone.
When the head of the Tea Party movement calls Obama an "Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug" and a "racist in chief," it's clear it's not the left that is trying to stir up the racial undertones in order to promulgate a race/class war.


Posted by Parent of Two, a resident of Val Vista
on Sep 17, 2009 at 1:49 pm

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Wow, oh wow. You REALLY REALLY don't get it, do you?

If one person with an opposing view to yours says something BAD, that doesn't suddenly give you a "Play the Race Card for FREE" card. If some ignorant racist makes a racially insensitive comment, that doesn't mean that an EX-president can throw racial accusations towards someone who was merely being rude.

WHY DON'T YOU LIBERALS UNDERSTAND?! Funny how political correctness doesn't apply when you're a senile ex-president, but everyone else has to tiptoe around Obama.

How would you like it if you shushed a black person (or Asian or Hispanic) for talking in a movie theater, and someone five rows over (that was sleeping at the time) suddenly said "YOU'RE A RACIST FOR SAYING THAT!" That's what Carter is doing.


Posted by Stay Cool, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 17, 2009 at 2:03 pm

Parent of Two,
You really don't need to be so aggressive. We liberals understand just fine. Some of us just don't agree with you. That doesn't make us wrong.
Again, the issue is the increased rhetoric with racial undertones. It is not just about Joe Wilson.
Here is what Carter said: "I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he's African-American," Carter told "NBC Nightly News."
He followed it up with:
"When a radical fringe element of demonstrators and others begin to attack the president of the United States as an animal or as a reincarnation of Adolf Hitler or when they wave signs in the air that said we should have buried Obama with Kennedy, those kinds of things are beyond the bounds," the Democrat who served from 1977-1981 told students at Emory University.
"I think people who are guilty of that kind of personal attack against Obama have been influenced to a major degree by a belief that he should not be president because he happens to be African American.
"It's a racist attitude, and my hope is and my expectation is that in the future both Democratic leaders and Republican leaders will take the initiative in condemning that kind of unprecedented attack on the president of the United States," Carter said.
Web link for quotes:
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Posted by Parent of Two, a resident of Val Vista
on Sep 17, 2009 at 2:15 pm

Parent of Two is a registered user.

But Carter was speaking in response to a completely NON-racist event.

And he chose to make it about racism.

And that's where he was wrong.

And that's what you don't seem to understand.


Posted by Billie, a resident of Mohr Park
on Sep 17, 2009 at 3:14 pm

I'm curious Parent of Two. Do you consider it a "racist event" only if racially specific, derogatory epitaphs or words are used? With or without physical action?

Because I gotta tell you, racism can be as subtle as tone of voice. For example, think back to the presidential campaign, when Sen. Obama's full name was used by the opposition when speaking about him, with special emphasis on his middle name. You think the speakers weren't trying to make a racial point about him without actually saying the words? In the same context, I don't think George Walker Bush has the same ring to it as Barack Hussein Obama.

There are all kinds of ways to conceal racism and predjudice behind words that, in a different context, would not be considered racially motivated.


Posted by Stay Cool, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 17, 2009 at 3:49 pm

Billie, well said.
Parent of Two, you said: "How would you like it if you shushed a black person (or Asian or Hispanic) for talking in a movie theater, and someone five rows over (that was sleeping at the time) suddenly said "YOU'RE A RACIST FOR SAYING THAT!" That's what Carter is doing." That is a poor analogy, because what actually happened is that Joe Wilson shouted a disrespectful comment, in a disrespectful manner, to the President of the United States - while the President was, by invitation, addressing Congress and the American people. Against the backdrop of the hateful, bigoted comments being made by the right(especially in the media) in reference to the President, along with racist caricatures (witch doctor, etc.) we have seen, Wilson's unprecedented behavior bears close scrutiny.
I have a solution. You tell the right wing extremists and media to quit propogating hateful rhetoric regarding the President, and when they do that, then the rest of us won't have anything to be concerned about.


Posted by Julie, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 17, 2009 at 11:00 pm

Julie is a registered user.

"Stay Cool", "Billie", great posts!

The people not getting it are the ones who think you have to yell out "N***er" in order to be considered "racist".


Posted by Big Poppau, a resident of Del Prado
on Sep 18, 2009 at 12:06 am

Jimmy Carter = National Hemmoroid.


Posted by Stay Cool, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2009 at 6:15 am

Isn't that Limbaugh's line?


Posted by Huh?, a resident of Downtown
on Sep 18, 2009 at 6:53 am

stay cool (or whatever), billie, and julie,

reflect on these hate comments. Pelosi D-"Un American", Steny Hoyer D- "very rabid people", Harry Reid D- "fear mongers",Jimmy Carter D- "racist", Democratic national committee -"angry mobs of ....extremists", Dick Durbin D- "birthers....and tea baggers""

Sounds like some classy talk eh?


Posted by Stay Cool, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2009 at 7:29 am

I'll give you teabaggers. That's not too cool, and I wouldn't use it. However, if you would take your other selections and place them back in the context from which they came, they're quite reasonable. And 'birther' is just a short way of saying 'someone who is obsessed with trying to disprove Obama's citizenship by generating fake Kenyan BIRTH certificates.'


Posted by Billie, a resident of Mohr Park
on Sep 18, 2009 at 7:31 am

*sigh*

No, "Huh?", not classy, but not racist either. Those comments are much like what you just did with Stay Cool's screen name above when you suffixed it with "(or whatever)", and didn't capitalize my or Julie's names. Do you see the difference now?


Posted by The RIGHT wing, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2009 at 8:06 am

Yeah, show some class and respect for the President and the office... let's see

Bush=Hitler
Bush Lied, People Died

The list can go on and on. Conservatives do not have a monopoly on disrespecting the office of the President. I guess everyone who criticized Bush was a racist too (against conservative whites), since you don't have to overtly use racist slurs, we can guess at your motivations and brand you a RACIST HATER!


Posted by Billie, a resident of Mohr Park
on Sep 18, 2009 at 8:31 am

"The RIGHT Wing", if your comments were directed at me, and, by branding me a "RACIST HATER" you are trying to point out that I believe there is absolutely no place for racism in America, well, you hit the nail on the head! Thanks!


Posted by Billie, a resident of Mohr Park
on Sep 18, 2009 at 8:43 am

Oh, and on the other hand "The RIGHT Wing", if you mis-spoke and were, instead, calling me a racist, would you point out specifically what, in my comments, led you to that conclusion? Thanks.

It really is difficult to have a discussion about an issue when a poster is more interested in making personal comments than focusing on the issue under discussion.


Posted by The RIGHT wing, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2009 at 8:51 am

Bingo. Billie, that is my point exactly.

"Oh, and on the other hand "The RIGHT Wing", if you mis-spoke and were, instead, calling me a racist, would you point out specifically what, in my comments, led you to that conclusion?"

The answer is absolutely nothing. And there was nothing in Joe Wilson's comments that were inherently racist either (disrespectful yes, racist no). So let's stop with the racism stuff already. We have enough serious issues to work through without fanning emotions through the reckless charge of "racism". Shame on Jimmy Carter


Posted by Stay Cool, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2009 at 8:52 am

Billie,
Hold your head high - personal attacks are the modus operandi on these boards. All you can do is keep it classy on your end, which you do! :)


Posted by Parent of Two, a resident of Val Vista
on Sep 18, 2009 at 8:56 am

Parent of Two is a registered user.

Holding your head high is also a good way to not see where you're going....

Just something my grandpa used to say. It made me smile.


Posted by Parent of Two, a resident of Val Vista
on Sep 18, 2009 at 8:59 am

Parent of Two is a registered user.

The main "issue" I have with the Obamamaniacs is the double-standard. Saying Bush was an idiot and a liar was fine for them, but when someone says Obama is a liar (in a rude way), suddenly it's an issue of racism!?!?!

No, calling someone a liar isn't racism. It might be partisan politicking, but it's irresponsible to fan the racist flame over any anti-Obama sentiments. If we say Nancy Pelosi is an idiot, does that make us sexist?!


Posted by Snarky, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2009 at 9:02 am

Parent of Two, now THAT is funny! We are all Americans, and even if we disagree, we can have respectful debate of the issues without resorting to charges of racism.


Posted by Stay Cool, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2009 at 9:05 am

I still need to know what an Obamamaniac is.


Posted by Stay Cool, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2009 at 9:09 am

Snarky, the problem is that the debates are not respectful. That's the whole thing. I have yet to see one person here who claims the left is playing the race card address the examples of racist rhetoric given in earlier posts.


Posted by Parent of Two, a resident of Val Vista
on Sep 18, 2009 at 9:16 am

Parent of Two is a registered user.

Stay Cool,
Your "examples of racist rhetoric" are irrelevant here. Unless they were uttered by Joe Wilson, they have NOTHING to do with the subject.

Oh, and an Obamamaniac is the left-equivalent of a Rush dittohead. Someone that blindly parrots or advocates what Obama says or does as being gospel simply because Obama said it. And if you couldn't figure out what it meant from the context, that probably means that you are one.


Posted by Billie, a resident of Mohr Park
on Sep 18, 2009 at 9:27 am

Stay Cool,
Thanks! You too!

The RIGHT Wing,
Did you read what I wrote much earlier on in this thread about Sen. Wilson's comment?

I, unlike Sen. Wilson, am not in the public eye. Those posting on this forum know nothing about my background, my associations, or causes I have championed. Since we are not speaking face-to-face, the inflection of my voice, or words I might emphasize to make a point, are hidden. That is, of course, unless I capitalize specific words to "shout" in internet-speak.

Sen. Wilson, on the other hand, is a public figure whose background is well-published. We not only know his background, his associations and the causes he has championed are well-documented, as well. We know who, and what, he has stood up for, and continues to stand behind, in his state - his core beliefs, if you will. Given all of the facts we know about Sen. Wilson, it certainly is not a stretch to believe that the disrespect he showed Pres. Obama by his outburst did, indeed, come from a racially motivated place.


Posted by Stay Cool, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2009 at 9:38 am

Parent of Two, you wrote: "Oh, and an Obamamaniac is the left-equivalent of a Rush dittohead. Someone that blindly parrots or advocates what Obama says or does as being gospel simply because Obama said it. And if you couldn't figure out what it meant from the context, that probably means that you are one."
How very predictable of you. I'm not sure why you need to end with such a comment, but I'm not surprised.
As for my examples of racist rhetoric being irrelevant here, you are mistaken. I posted President Carter's statements in an earlier post, and his statements are in direct reference to the aforementioned racist rhetoric. Since this post is about Jimmy Carter, the specific examples of what he alluded to in his comments (which are under debate here) are perfectly appropriate.
As for Obamamaniacs, I haven't seen a lot of that here. Some maybe, but I would offer that on these boards, anyone who posts positively about the President is considered an Obamamaniac. I wonder about this group - did they all say the things you suggested they said about Bush? Then they all went on to blindly follow Obama? That's remarkable.
I try to use terms like "far right" rather than treat everyone with an opposing opinion to mine as though they are brainwashed or drinking the kool aid. You could do the same.


Posted by The RIGHT wing, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2009 at 9:42 am

Billie... whatever.

Jimmy Carter meets all of your requirements too, and given his past well-documented causes he championed (Hugo Chavez, Hamas, anit-republican remarks, etc etc etc) we know his core beliefs. And so it is not a stretch to conclude that he is a RACIST HATER of conservatives, not to mention a complete idiot.

Shouldn't he be painting a house or something?

I do find it interesting that democrats and Obama (much to their credit) and are running from his comments and want nothing to do with him.


Posted by Billie, a resident of Mohr Park
on Sep 18, 2009 at 11:32 am

The RIGHT Wing,
I'm not sure I understand your comment that Pres. Carter is a "RACIST HATER of conservatives." Just as with your comments about me, I don't know if you are calling him a racist, or applauding the fact that his background shows his dislike of segregation, discrimination and racism, as well as his committment to ending them.

Personally, I think his beliefs were made very clear in his recent remarks about racism in America, and are, in fact, backed up by his past actions and associations.

In the 70s Pres. Carter refused to join the White Citizens' Council, a southern white supremacist pro-segregation organization. This prompted a boycott of his peanut warehouse. Oh, and BTW, the White Citizens' Council has become the Council of Conservative Citizens, a political organization that continues to support "white nationalism" and "white separatism".

As Governor of Georgia (1977-81), Carter declared that "the time of racial segregation was over, and that racial discrimination had no place in the future of the state." A bold statement in a state deeply entrenched in southern "traditions", but he actually backed it up by appointing more minorities to positions on his staff and state agencies than all of his predecessors combined.

In 2002, Pres. Carter received the Nobel Peace Prize for his work "to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts, to advance democracy and human rights, and to promote economic and social development".

And then, of course, there's his work with Habitat for Humanity.

So, back to my opening statement. If, in fact, you are calling Pres. Carter a racist, perhaps you can enlighten me on exactly how his background would lead you to that premis. Thank you.


Posted by The RIGHT Wing, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2009 at 12:15 pm

Billie -

Oh I don't know...

how about in August 2008, Carter told Jim Lehrer about the possibility of "this black boy" becoming nominated and possibly elected president. That is far more offensive than what Joe Wilson said.

And his hatred towards jews and white conservatives is well documented.

So he builds a few houses. That pales in comparison to the damage he did to our country as (gulp) President, and after with is constant coddling of enemies of the US. Ask the families of the hundreds of Marines that died in Lebanon what they think of him thanks to his missteps in Iran.

The day he departs the earth I personally will not turn on the TV so I don't have to watch all the BS drivel over what a great man he is. Puhleeze... save it for someone who cares. He hates white conservatives and jews, so that makes him a racist hater in my book.


Posted by Stay Cool, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2009 at 12:52 pm

"JIM LEHRER: And do you think that -- if it happens that he is elected, or even just being nominated, is -- will send **positive ripple effects** throughout the country **on the race issue**?
JIMMY CARTER: Around the world. Around the world. And I think it already has sent a wave of approbation and admiration in many countries around the world, just knowing that this black boy who grew up with just a loving mother and grandparents -- and that was about all he had to start with -- does now have a chance to become the nominee of the Democratic Party for president."
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See, what I like to do is go directly to the source to provide context for comments. Mentioning that a black person is black in a discussion about race is not racist. Calling him a boy can be attributed in part to perception of Obama's relative youth, and/or Carter's southern background.
Saying that a person "hates white conservatives and jews," especially when that person received a Nobel Peace Prize, in part for his efforts in trying to find a peaceful solution in the Middle East, is just bizarre.


Posted by Stay Cool, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2009 at 12:53 pm

Forgot to mention, **emphasis** mine.


Posted by Parent of Two, a resident of Val Vista
on Sep 18, 2009 at 1:58 pm

Parent of Two is a registered user.

I have no problem with Jimmy Carter getting the Nobel Peace Prize for attempting to broker a peace between Egypt and Israel. As a matter of fact, he did a much better job of that than he did DOING THE JOB HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO.

Carter is overly politically correct (possibly because of his southern upbringing) and adds racial or prejudicial overtones to everything he sees and hears, and he is overly sensitive to those imagined barbs. That's fine, I get that.

I put some of the blame on whoever put a camera in front of him and said "What do you think of what Joe Wilson did?" Did they ask George HW Bush? Did they ask Bill Clinton (well, maybe)? Did they ask Dubya? I think they KNEW what Carter would say (most of us could have predicted it), and counted on him saying something racially based. Wanting to be relevant again, he responded.


Posted by Julie, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2009 at 5:08 pm

Julie is a registered user.

Stay Cool & Billie, I think it's great how you calmly debate your points without resorting to name calling or disrespect.


Posted by Einstein, a resident of Mohr Elementary School
on Sep 18, 2009 at 7:49 pm

Einstein is a registered user.

Jimmy was bad then and now just illustrates why is is rated as America's worst president below both Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton who were impeached and Richard Nixon who would have been.


Posted by Julie, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2009 at 9:48 pm

Julie is a registered user.

Huh? You imply that Bill Clinton deserves a seat in the "Bad Presidents" section? He left office with the highest approval rating of any other president (65%). Yes, he was impeached...and also acquitted. He may not have had high morals regarding marriage, but I'd hardly consider him a "bad president". "Bad husband"...perhaps.

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Posted by Einstein, a resident of Mohr Elementary School
on Sep 18, 2009 at 9:55 pm

Julie,

No offense but you spend a ton of time on these blogs and spend most of your time defending the liberal cause regardless of the hard done to this country. That is your right but Bill Clinton was bankrupt morally and set such a poor example that our young are still reeling from it. I do not know about you or the age of your children but many of us had to explain to our children why the president of the US was receiving oral sex in the white house bathroom after we of course had to explain what oral sex was. he is just lucky that Bush had enough class not to blame him for 911 and the dot com meltdown. he was a joke and continues to be a joke as he does not realize he is no longer important to us.


Posted by Julie, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2009 at 10:18 pm

Julie is a registered user.

Einstein, as usual an opposing post to a perceived "liberal" view is started with commentary about the poster herself. Do you people all do that to deflect from the actual debate, or are you simply mean spirited?

How much time I spend on these blogs has no bearing on this argument. And, as usual, inaccurate information is offered. Since you seem to want to focus on me (you *begin* your post about me...) please tell me what constitutes "a ton of time"? I actually spend "a ton of time" at work (9 hours today), driving my kids around, spending time with my family. I believe this is my 3rd post of the day: I posted 4 hours ago, 10 minutes ago, and now. My previous 2 posts were 1-3 liners which likely took about 1 minute each of my time. I do not recall posting on any other thread today, but I am tired from all my *work* today and could be misremembering. I find it hard to take the rest of your post seriously when you start out with such an exaggerated, inaccurate, negative and unprovoked commentary about me personally.

Exaggeration continues to be a theme in the rest of your post: "Bill Clinton was bankrupt morally and set such a poor example that our young are still reeling from it." To what "young" are you referring? Clinton was impeached over a decade ago. Twentysomethings are "reeling" morally thanks to Bill Clinton? You can't mean teenagers - they'd be preschoolers/kindergartners at the time. I think we are all capable of making our own moral decisions in our 20's and most would not be influenced by the actions of a president who has been out of office for almost a decade.

By the way, when you start off with "no offense", you don't really mean it. Therefore you come off as untrustworthy from the start.

Finally, I can think of two journalists who do not currently consider Bill Clinton a "joke".


Posted by Really?, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2009 at 10:19 pm

I guess you also find Newt Gingrich,Congressman Bob Livingston,Rudy Giulliani,Governor James McGreevey,Senator David Vitter,Senator Larry Craig,Senator John Ensign,Governor Mark Sanford better examples for your children? You spend most of your time defending the conservative cause, while my children are still reeling from these poor, morally bankrupt examples of leadership. Hmmmm... guess political figures have some bipartisan commonalities.


Posted by Julie, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2009 at 10:22 pm

Julie is a registered user.

Sorry! I also posted a 2 liner about the yogurt shop! Do Conservatives like yogurt or was that just me defending liberalism again?


Posted by Billie, a resident of Mohr Park
on Sep 19, 2009 at 8:54 am

Julie,
You do a nice job yourself of posting and responding to posts "calmly . . . without resorting to name calling or disrespect."

I know emotions are high around many of the issues we, individually and as a country, are facing today. However, I do not understand how anyone, on either side of an issue, could possibly think that personally mocking, demeaning or denigrating someone else (from a poster on this forum to the President) helps the discussion, pulls anyone over to your side of the debate, leads to a solution, or even, bottom line, is morally the right thing to do.

I was going to say that online forums and blogs seem to have given some folks a false sense of security in that they can forget about treating each other with respect, but then I thought back to the recent round of town halls, and even the Sen. Wilson incident that started this thread. Maybe, instead, it's a kind of "mob mentality" that has taken over. It seems that when some individuals get around a group of people (whether on a forum or in a meeting) who believe the same way they do about an issue, they give themself permission to speak and act out in a way that they would never do face-to-face and one-on-one.

Do I think that Sen. Wilson would have disrespected the President if they'd been face-to-face, one-on-one, and not surrounded by his fellow GOP colleagues? Even given his "strong" feelings and background? Absolutely not.

Not only a sad commentary on the state of affairs today, but it makes solutions to our problems that much harder to reach.


Posted by Stay Cool, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 19, 2009 at 12:34 pm

Julie,
That depends on whether you posted about red yogurt or blue yogurt. :~)
Julie, Billie, Really? - you speak well for both yourselves and your viewpoint by keeping things civil in your posts, and it is appreciated!

I have to make a comment about the accusations regarding Bill Clinton above - I don't buy it one bit that his behavior left our youth "reeling" - especially since I was one of the youth at the time. In this celebrity-obsessed culture, it was not the POTUS that was causing our kids to grow up too fast.

Excellent point about the two journalists, too. Bill Clinton was sent for a reason - he is still an excellent statesman.


Posted by Pete, a resident of Downtown
on Sep 19, 2009 at 12:43 pm

wow! Julie, billie, stay cool, law student etc.,

you guys are just the greatest and the envy of the city. So polite, so resourceful, so understanding no matter what the offense or level of morality, anything goes and you are good with it, I am all for it and we all should strive to be like you. :O)


Posted by Billie, a resident of Mohr Park
on Sep 19, 2009 at 12:56 pm

"so understanding no matter what the offense or level of morality, anything goes and you are good with it"

*LOL!!*

Gee Pete,
I guess you didn't actually read the posts! I do like to think, however, that I can make a point while remaining *mostly* civil.


Posted by Wayne, a resident of Dublin
on Sep 19, 2009 at 1:10 pm

A conservative named Einstein what a intellectually disingenuous joke.

Einstein was an extremely socially minded individual. Not a facts are my opinion and I matter first bogey man driven conservative ideologue.

Just because you can CHANNEL any opinion you want doesn't make it a valid or reality based opinion.




Posted by Julie, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 19, 2009 at 1:17 pm

Julie is a registered user.

And now some of us are faced with more disrespect (in the form of sarcasm) for being positive!


Posted by Billie, a resident of Mohr Park
on Sep 19, 2009 at 2:47 pm

Hey Julie, I really did think it was funny! I'm still chuckling!

Pete, Thanks for the laugh! I needed that pick-me-up this afternoon - and if you can't laugh at yourself . . .

and that's it for me. I'm outta here. Have a great rest of the weekend one and all! :-)


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