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Original post made by Annon, Another Pleasanton neighborhood, on Sep 13, 2009

On every major measurement, the Census Bureau report shows that the country lost ground during Bush's two terms. While Bush was in office, the median household income declined, poverty increased, childhood poverty increased even more, and the number of Americans without health insurance spiked. By contrast, the country's condition improved on each of those measures during Bill Clinton's two terms, often substantially.

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Posted by john
a resident of another community
on Sep 13, 2009 at 9:48 am

interesting observation Annon. Can you point out the effective policies that created this phenomenon? (detail it with fact)


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Posted by Annon
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 13, 2009 at 9:54 am

Shure, just give me 2 minutes, Geez!


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Posted by Nice try
a resident of Downtown
on Sep 13, 2009 at 11:39 am

Pretty weak attempt there Annon. Census is controlled by the democrats and is in no way non partial. Until yesterday Acorn was going to be playing an even bigger part in the census but now that they were on TV and under indicment in 14 states are losing favor with Obama.


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Posted by Annon
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 13, 2009 at 12:24 pm

Nice try,

What I posted is GOV 101 and if you fail to understan GOV 101 I can't help you. Have a GREAT day!


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Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Sep 13, 2009 at 7:55 pm

Good thing the internet, dot com boom, and business cycles had absolutely nothing to do with that.....

Anyone that thinks one camp is better than the other is foolish.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 14, 2009 at 3:47 am

It was under Clinton that the "easy mortgage for all" was approved. This led to the current housing crisis and is a big part of this recession.

Bush did not do anything to correct it, plus he spent and spent while cutting taxes.

Now Obama is spending and spending - and on items that during a recession should not happen (his idea of healthcare "reform," or the "cash for clunkers" for instance)

Both democrats and republicans seem unable to keep a healthy economy.


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Posted by Julia
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 14, 2009 at 8:40 am

I wouldn't take this Annon too serious...I don't think all the brain cells are functioning correctly. Shure is spelled sure. Understan is spelled understand. Annon appears to be from another location...like some of those off shore spams I receive.


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Posted by artlover
a resident of Birdland
on Sep 14, 2009 at 8:40 am

The pendulum swings to the right, it swings to the left- BORING. I agree, both parties have a lock on greediness, and huberis! So, what's new?


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Posted by Ken in South Pleasanton
a resident of Downtown
on Sep 14, 2009 at 9:04 am

Interesting. Unsubstantiated claims without links to sources from an anonymous poster. I don't care what side Annon is on, his/her post is just uneducated drivel from a fool.


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Posted by poster guy
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 14, 2009 at 9:46 am

Here's the link to the original article. I'm sure you didn't see it cuz it wasn't featured prominently on fauxnews.com or drudge. Go figure.

Web Link

Try reading it. It's full of facts and information that are sure to get in the way of your opinion. So feel free to ignore the facts, cuz they always seem to get in the way for the repugs...


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Posted by nerd
a resident of Castlewood Heights
on Sep 14, 2009 at 10:25 am

yea aaron lets believe a study by democrats based on a "fill out yourself" form.....[Portion removed due to disrespectful comment or offensive language]












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Posted by Annon
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 14, 2009 at 10:26 am

Um, People! These are the most coomon known facts on the planet! What is there to debate?

A) The country lost ground during Bush's two terms.

B)While Bush was in office, the median household income declined,

C)poverty increased,

D)childhood poverty increased even more, and

E)the number of Americans without health insurance spiked. By contrast,

F) the country's condition improved on each of those measures during Bill Clinton's two terms, often substantially.


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Posted by Reader
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 14, 2009 at 12:02 pm

You've proved correlation, but not causation.


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Posted by Annon
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 14, 2009 at 12:34 pm

Julia,

Perhap I have a learning disability, or am I just plain "stupid" and or worthless?

SO, soory Mrs. High and Mighty...


Posted by Julia, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, 3 hours ago

I wouldn't take this Annon too serious...I don't think all the brain cells are functioning correctly. Shure is spelled sure. Understan is spelled understand. Annon appears to be from another location...like some of those off shore spams I receive.


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Posted by poster guy
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 14, 2009 at 1:39 pm

Annon,

Don't be so hard on yourself. As long as you're not showing up at [Portion removed due to disrespectful comment or offensive language] rallies or listening to glenn beck, you have nothing to worry about.


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Posted by Dominic Di Blasio
a resident of Del Prado
on Sep 14, 2009 at 3:10 pm

Dominic Di Blasio is a registered user.

What a joke, the Atlantic is a liberal magazine which is biased to the left and the article even quotes a "left leaning" source for these selective statisics...Here are some problems with this article as was posted by a reader...

"Median income excludes a significant portion of compensation, including health care benefits. Comparison of the welfare of families that ignore a significant percentage of the compensation they receive are spurious and misleading. Intentionally misleading, I might add, since this is well-trod ground.

The rest is just the worst sort of cherry picking. If one were to take, say, the 1998 statistics and compare them to, say, the 2006 statistics, we'd say that the Bush record is stronger than the Clinton record. Check the record--did Brownstein write an article in 2007 saying that the Bush record was better than the Clinton record? Why not? The evidence was there to see!"

Sorry Annon, democrat style reporting works with dems mostly those who allow others to do their thinking for them...here we have some folks check sources and search out the facts and the truth...


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Posted by Annon
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 14, 2009 at 3:32 pm

Hmm? A debate on the facts? Why?

Uh aren't alot of you folks listening to beck and the like and taking hogwash as gospel?

Thats irronic you can't see things for what they are!

However , I FULLY respect your views. Tha's what makes our nation so great.

PEACE


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Posted by poster guy
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 14, 2009 at 4:17 pm

Dominic,

Interesting comments. However, I think you miss the point of why they're saying they excluded compensation benefits. Over the past 10 years, as I'm sure you're aware, healthcare costs have risen dramatically. People who are provided healthcare through their employer (say for a family of 4) have seen these costs more than double over this time. If you would include these benefits in their income levels, it would show that they're making 5-10k per year more than they actually take home, because that 5-10k is going to providing their healthcare (based on average HC costs being 12k versus about 5k back in 2000). Plus, one thing you didn't see too often 10 years ago were employees being asked to kick in a portion of the employee-provided healthcare costs (not to mention higher co-pays, etc), so in the end it's a double-wammy. If you include HC compensation, you'll get a misleading income level.

Regardless, reducing to ad hominem attacks is a weak argument. The facts speak for themselves, regardless of the "cherry-picking". Attack the argument, attack the analysis facts, but dismissing them out of hand because it's "a liberal source" is a bit weak. It's getting old, after 8 years and a media that handled bush with soft gloves and cheered us into the mess in iraq, to fall back on the "liberal media" line...with fox news, beck, limbaugh, WaPo, AP, etc, you can't really go with that anymore...


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Country Fair
on Sep 14, 2009 at 11:41 pm

Annon, surely you wouldn't try to REwrite HISTORY would you ? Clinton was elected in 92...with a DEM Congress. TWO years later Repub were elected to majority which continued for the remaining 6 years of Clinton's presidency. AFTER Rep were in office for awhile the economy reversed to a virbrant economy. First 2 years Dem Congress, SIX years Repub Congress, then G W was elected with a Repub Congress for just SIX years. Then the Pelosi DEM Congress was elected. Congress is charged with money matters. The PELOSI all DEM Congress was in charge during the mortgage situation....& was in charge for 2 years prior to Obama being elected. Obama INHERITED a DEM Congress. They still rule. Clinton economy inproved after new REP COngress, just like G W B economy deteriorated with the Pelosi Congress. FACTS are sticky things to face.


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