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Why were two topics REMOVED by Weekly? CENSORSHIP?

Original post made by Posts Removed?, Downtown, on Aug 30, 2009

Why were tow topics concerning Phillip Garrido's and the kidnapping of Jaycee Dugard REMOVED by the weekly?

Too hard to stomach?

Too graphic?

What's up with the CENSORSHIP?

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Posted by Another Gatetree Resident
a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Aug 30, 2009 at 6:01 pm

It appears the topic of a loud boom in Val Vista on the 28th was also removed.

Pleasanton Weekly at it's finest.


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Posted by Right
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 30, 2009 at 8:32 pm

Well, the loud boom topic is still here.
As for the Garrido situation, perhaps News of the World isn't the best source of information.
Let's show this young lady and her daughters some consideration.


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Posted by Gina Channell-Allen
president of the Pleasanton Weekly
on Aug 30, 2009 at 9:07 pm

Gina Channell-Allen is a registered user.

The two threads on the kidnapping were not removed.

However, I have been removing several posts this weekend from those threads and many others because the comments were disrespectful to other posters, irrelevant to the topic, or just a simple waste of time to read.

Censorship. Yes, censorship of irrelevant, disrespectful and sometimes stupid comments. And my staff and I are trying to remain diligent in the effort to rein in the few posters who are abusing this forum.

I would appreciate everyone's help in this by reporting objectionable comments. However, please keep in mind that "objectionable comment" does NOT mean something you disagree with.....


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Posted by Jerry
a resident of Oak Hill
on Aug 30, 2009 at 10:40 pm

If "objectionable comment" is not meant to be something one doesn't agree with, what does it mean? This is puzzling...

I submit the opinion that a comment could be objectionable to some and to some non-objectionable...

If one person finds a comment "objectionable", does that make it so...

I suppose I understand what you are attempting to do(irrelevant/disrespectful)but if I find a comment "a waste of time to read", I simply skip it and move on...

This "reporting" kinda seems similar to the White House's request for e-mails pertaining to a citizen's supposedly "in-correct" comments made toward the proposed Health Care fiasco or the request to report your neighbors fireplace habits... But hey, it's your website, so have at it...:)


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Posted by Ron
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 30, 2009 at 11:11 pm

Gina,

"Censorship. Yes, censorship of irrelevant, disrespectful and sometimes stupid comments."

So I take it that you are the "decider" of what constituted STUPID?

OUCH!

Obama said:

"Quite frankly, I think the officer who arrested Gates ACTED STUPIDLY."

look at what what a mess that comment got Obama into~


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Posted by Ron
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 30, 2009 at 11:22 pm



And all the crazy political ongoings, topics, attacks and posts DON'T constitute:



"just a simple waste of time to read. - Censorship. Yes, censorship of irrelevant, disrespectful and sometimes stupid comments"

And these topics:



As the PRESIDENT of The Weekly, I find your wording directed to the readership to be
Not very well thought out.




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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 31, 2009 at 9:37 am

I think that Gina is referring tO MANY of my posts. For some reason, my comments are considered "stupid" and they are often deleted or edited. For example, several sentences are sometimes removed so that only half of my post remains. No reason posted?

However, when there is a Cholo imposter up to dirty tricks using my name, and teasing Stacy by making derogatory comments about her body, those are allowed to remain?

Hmmmmmmmmm...curious!

BUSTED...


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 31, 2009 at 9:43 am

I forgot to mention that when I used the Yiddish word "moser" the entire sentence was deleted? A moser is a Jew who snitches on another Jew. Not a bad word at all?

And, once when using a very polite greeting in the Basque language "Kaixo" it was also deleted. It simply means Hello!

They are not "stupid" words. The languages are very old languages and in popular use today.

you go figure...why would somebody want to remove certain words removed?


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Posted by Another Gatetree Resident
a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Aug 31, 2009 at 10:35 am

You are correct -- the thread on the "Val Vista Boom" is back, absent my post within the thread.

Amazing -- not only is it Censorship, but SELECTIVE Censorship to boot!


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Posted by Gina Channell-Allen
president of the Pleasanton Weekly
on Aug 31, 2009 at 10:36 am

Gina Channell-Allen is a registered user.

Jerry - "Objectionable comment" is for abusive or hateful comments toward other posters, obscene language, or some other violation of our terms of use. I'm getting many reports that are fine as far as that is concerned, but someone doesn't like the message.

Ron - Read my response to Jerry. Whether you agree or not, those posts do not constitute "objectionable" in my definition.

And "stupid" includes flaming, irrelevent comments perceived as a waste of time by me and my staff. If you have a problem with this definition, I understand if you find another forum to post your opinions.


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Posted by WoW
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 31, 2009 at 12:06 pm

"Censorship. Yes, censorship of irrelevant, disrespectful and sometimes stupid comments."

"If you have a problem with this definition, I understand if you find another forum to post your opinions."

Perhaps this type of public outreach or PR is why you're PRESIDENT and NOT PR?

Geez Gina!


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Posted by Rae
a resident of Mohr Park
on Aug 31, 2009 at 2:19 pm

Ms. Channell-Allen,

Thank you for your responses. It does seem, however, that some posts are allowed to remain even though they violate your "terms of use".

For example, the Moxley Real Estate Team frequently posts information on housing sales with a pointer to their website. Would this not be a violation of the following "terms of use": "You agree not to make posts of a commercial nature that promote a business, product or service."

"Gunnittisabax" has recent random posts promoting his/her investment blog and how to make money using it. Isn't this a violation of: "You agree not to make posts that are primarily intended to promote, or create links to another Website."

And then there are the posters whose sole purpose since the Presidential election seems to be to take over this forum by posting regurgitated opinion hit pieces from other web sites.

First of all, one of the "terms of use" states that "You agree to be respectful of others, be truthful and be solely responsible for all postings you make." How can a poster who just regurgitates someone else's opinions be "solely responsible" for their posts?

Secondly, another term says: "You agree not to post anything on PleasantonWeekly.com that is not your original work, unless you know with certainty that it is legally in the public domain and permissible under U.S. copyright laws." Do you know for a fact that all this re-posted material is not a copyright violation? I didn't think that just because something was found on the internet, it could be reposted ad infinitum.

Finally, the real problem isn't, as suggested, whether or not readers agree or disagree with the re-posted opinion pieces. The problem is that in many cases the information being reposted verbatim from blog to forum to blog is thinly veiled hate speech. It's a shame, but this forum seems to have become a repository for posters who have nothing better to do than troll websites looking for opinions that are meant to inflame fear and anger, while edging very close to inciting violent action against individuals as well as the government.

Thank you for your diligence in at least removing the profanity and actual threats of violence. Every little bit helps.


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Posted by Gina Channell-Allen
president of the Pleasanton Weekly
on Aug 31, 2009 at 3:12 pm

Gina Channell-Allen is a registered user.

WoW- You're correct. I'm not in PR, and never claimed to be. And over the past 72 hours I've been more of a Town Square babysitter than anything. This forum has become a very unfriendly place and people who want to have an intelligent conversation don't want to post here because of the nastiness.

Rae - You're correct that I have let some posts that are borderline violations of the terms of use slide. My staff and I are too busy monitoring and removing really nasty posts and I'm more concerned about that.

In my statement about "objectionable comments," I was referring to all the alerts the PLW editor and I receive when that "Report Objectionable Content" link is hit. While I haven't been getting "objectionable" hits for the Moxley and investment posts, I have been getting pretty tons of alerts on things that do not violate terms of use, but someone doesn't agree with.

And, yes, I am sure that the posts that attibute ideas or content to another source is not a copyright infringement. The people who claim that are usually the ones who don't like the message and inundate my email inbox with objectionable comment alerts.

As I said earlier, this forum has become a very unfriendly place. Please help me bring it back to the community forum it was intended to be by reporting truly objectionable comments.


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Posted by Another Gatetree Resident
a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Aug 31, 2009 at 5:34 pm

Gina;

I think your efforts are admirable; however, Jeb Bing holds the crown for most "objectionable." IMHO, this forum's tone shifted when Jeb posted the true identity of some of the posters. His "violation" was more than "borderline."

Bottom line, Pleasanton is no longer a friendly place and this forum proves that point in stellar fashion.


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Posted by Stay Cool
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 31, 2009 at 6:14 pm

The fact remains that each poster needs to be responsible for what s/he is contributing to the discussion.
There are a lot of unwarranted, personal attacks seen on these boards, and it is both depressing and sickening. I think the boards are an anomaly and most reasonable people are not masochistic enough to participate in the discussions, not to mention the fact that the discussions often offer nothing of value when they get to the point of insults. I come here because I want to see what topics are on people's minds, and to provide an alternative viewpoint in contributing to a debate, but it seldom turns out to be a rewarding experience. Just last week, I was told to take my head out of my rear and stick it back in the sand, that I was full of "xxxx," and I was called a liar based on a post I didn't even make. What mature community talks to each other that way?
I hope the forum will soon turn around to be a place where people can discuss and debate with intelligent, thoughtful arguments - I know these people live in Pleasanton.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 31, 2009 at 7:09 pm

Stay cool, law student, etc.

you are back with your left wing stuff why don't you just stick to one name? Imposter!!!!

Busted!!!!!!!!!


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Posted by Stay Cool
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 31, 2009 at 7:23 pm

Oh Cholo, I am just Stay Cool. Not Law Student, or Fact Checker. You haven't busted anyone. There is actually more than one left-leaning person in Pleasanton that posts on this board.





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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 31, 2009 at 8:11 pm

Stay Cool...the post is by an IMPOSTER! Many of my posts are deleted or edited so I come across as very very sweet!

If I complain, the imposter posts are allowed to remain and in the past, mine have been deleted for complaining. That's why I stop Reporting.

best,

Cholo


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Posted by resident
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 31, 2009 at 9:06 pm

Another Gatetree Resident, you are so right. Jeb violated every premise of this forum by posting names of people who had been promised otherwise.
I also agree with Rae that many topics are nothing less than free advertising. Gina allows Claudette McDermott to write a "topic" as well as make posts that are limited to registered users. None of these posts are anything other than free advertising for her business. Tacky. And it has to be a real thorn in the side of those who pay for advertising.
This forum seemed much more civilized before Jeb decided to restrict posts about Measure G to registered users. After that it has been open warfare. Maybe it would have degraded to that anyway. I am afraid that the character in our "town of character" is nothing to be proud of.


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Posted by WoW Gina Allen!!
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 31, 2009 at 10:44 pm

Posted by Gina Channell-Allen, president of the Pleasanton Weekly

"I have been removing several posts this weekend from those threads and many others because the comments were disrespectful to other posters, irrelevant to the topic, or just a simple waste of time to read."
"Censorship. Yes, censorship of irrelevant, disrespectful and sometimes stupid comments"

"And "stupid" includes flaming, irrelevent comments perceived as a waste of time by me and my staff. If you have a problem with this definition, I understand if you find another forum to post your opinions."


What do you say to your readership and life blood when you're angry, being that I am sure your above posts were made with a level head.

Between you and Jeb, your Weekly is becoing Weaker!


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Posted by tyu
a resident of Birdland
on Sep 6, 2009 at 6:24 pm

I can't find the Val Vista boom story if it wasn't removed as "Right, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 30, 2009 at 8:32 pm" stated and I noticed "Gina Channell-Allen is a member (registered user) of Pleasanton Weekly" didn't mention it in her comment so I think it's gone like the Trailer parking thread. Link the post here if it's still online but I think they pulled it. I have had one comment deleted on here and it was nowhere near as bad as many others and in my opinion it wasn't bad at all. It was an opinion, no swears, no outing of posters real names, it was on topic...Anyway I think the PW forum has gone down hill with all the national news posts (Obama). There are millions of places for that stuff and this is the only real place for P-Town info. I wish we could keep it to California at least here and get are national news and propaganda from other sources. This post is full of errors I'm sure but the printed version of the PW looks like it was typed with as much care as my post. The proofreader needs to be fired or one needs to be hired. It looks amateurish at best.


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Posted by unclehomerr..
a resident of Downtown
on Sep 6, 2009 at 6:39 pm

Here 'ya go, tyu.

Web Link

Start here and I'll dig up the rest for you.

unclehomerr..
[always helpful]


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Posted by unclehomerr..
a resident of Downtown
on Sep 6, 2009 at 6:43 pm

Here's the other one.

Web Link

Just let me know if you need any more help. unclehomerr's help line!

unclehomerr..


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