Posted by Love Living in Pleasanton, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 8:29 am
I don't understand the objection here. When residents are asked why they live here, the normal reply is because they love Pleasanton's family atmosphere, the schools (also associated with strong commitment to family) and the downtown. Yet residents 'close' to the things we all love complain when yet another family/community atmosphere characteristic-- wintertime ice rink-- is added because it inconveniences them? I for one would LOVE to be able to afford to live in one of those houses near downtown so I can be in the center of everything I love about this Community.
Posted by Dean, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 8:33 am
Oh boy...here we go again! What is it about people in the downtown neighborhoods? Are they totally against anything and everything that spells FUN and alive? Or do they think that the rest of our opinions from elsewhere in Pleasanton do not have a right to think of progress, fun, vibrancy in downtown Pleasanton except them? They do not own downtown.
Maybe they should consider moving to the rural areas, nobody bothering them, no people, no kids, no cars, except them and themselves...
Posted by Arroyo, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 8:36 am
Hmmmm. No summer weekend excursion trains to the downtown. No downtown hot-rod cruise night. No larger water slide complex. Reduced number of downtown parades. No extension of Stoneridge Drive. No Staples Ranch development. No building additions to existing churches. No skating rink at DeLucchi. No skating rink next to the Library. Perhaps, we should change the city name to PleasantNo.....
Posted by 2ME4U, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 8:38 am
Too bad if it doesn't go through. It would be a fun thing for kids to do and make some lifetime memories. Most CA kids don't get to try ice skating as they do in Michigan and the like. I understand the neighbors concerns but hope that the good to all will outweigh the temporary inconvenience. It's a NIMBY thing here, 'Do it over there, just Not In My BackYard.' I would welcome it in front of my house but an out of the way small court wouldn't cut it I guess.
Posted by trekmtb, a resident of the Heritage Oaks neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 8:38 am
I live 2 blocks from Delucchi Park. I moved from across town about one year ago so that I could be closer to downtown and the events associated with it. I fully support the idea of the skate rink and I think that most of my neighbors do also.
Posted by momo, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 8:42 am
having lived in an area that is similar to the downtown nieghborhoods I understand the objections. You get really tired of never being able to park in front of you home,always fighting with the congestion, people loitering in front of your home etc... It is easy for everone to criticize the people who live there. Your tune would soon change if it was your neighborhood that was impacted by an event!!!
Posted by I live in the area, a resident of the Pleasanton Heights neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 8:46 am
Not all of the residents that live close to the downtown area are of the same opinion. It is always the same folks that complain about every little project that may affect (or not) thier world. The fact is that we live 3 blocks from downtown and we love it! The concerts in the park, the farmers market, the events in town. This is why we bought our house in this neighborhood so we would have walking access to the activities! I think it is a great idea to have the ice rink. We have never been inconvienced in any way by the events held in town. If people don't start embracing the downtown area, this town will not be appealing to businesses, young people moving in etc. The outcome will be a drop in property values and a downtown that looked like it did many years ago (I know some would love nothing more) but Pleasanton is the great place it is today because of the life it took on after these "annoying" events started. Yes, there are other places in Pleasanton that may have more of an open area like the Bernal Park or Fairgrounds... you could say the same for the concerts in the park or the farmers market...Come on neighbors...stop making a big stink about a good thing!
Posted by Ngo Park King, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 8:48 am
What the City Council and the Downtown Association either don't get, or simply want to ignore, is that there is a critical shortage of parking downtown. So, whenever the endless parades, concerts, street fairs, etc., etc. are held, parking spills out to the surrounding neighborhoods, impacting those residents on a frequent basis. Why is it that Livermore is able to do redevelopment, put in two concert halls, and put in a major parking garage, while Pleasanton is preoccupied with national politics, keeping Wal-Mart grocery out of town, filing lawsuits they lose, or sending the Mayor to schmooze with left-wing loons in Washington, DC?
Why can't the winter ice rink be put at the fairgrounds? Of course, the reason is that the ice rink isn't for the enjoyment of Pleasanton residents; the reason is they want to attract business downtown. If they had their act together, a downtown parking structure could have been a shovel-ready project for stimulus money. Attracting business downtown is OK, but until a parking structure is put in, these downtown activities are a major pain the posterior.
Posted by resident, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 8:58 am
For the first post: "Love Living in Pleasanton"
"I for one would LOVE to be able to afford to live in one of those houses near downtown so I can be in the center of everything I love about this Community."
Well you soon will be able to afford to do just that if the neighborhood continues to try to block the things that made it an attractive place to live in the past. Without a vibrant downtown area, second Street is just a group of aging houses along the highway to Livermore. And there is little about downtown Pleasanton that could currently be characterized as vibrant.
Posted by P-town lover, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 9:25 am
We live downtown and moved here 6 years ago from San Francisco to raise our family and to be in the center of all the action. We probably could have bought a larger home elsewhere, but wanted to live somewhere where we could walk to activities, restaurants and shopping.
Please do not cancel the ice rink. My kids were so excited to see the ice skating lessons in Pleasanton Parks and Recs catalogs.
We support all things downtown and spend the majority of our money downtown because we don't want to see these lovely businesses and restaurant leave. If they leave, we will most likely leave as well.
Posted by not that location, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 9:26 am
The rink should never have been considered for that location. There is no parking (except in front of all of the resident homes), there is no stop light with crosswalk, and having lights, noise and congestion seven days of every week until 10 or 11 PM is just not reasonable.
Those of us who live near downtown knew what we would have in our virtual front yards -- farmer's market, first Wed, concerts, events, etc. We like those things. Those things are for ONE day or less. This is seven days of EVERY week, throughout the ENTIRE holiday season. Imagine not ever being able to park in your own neighborhood (SF anyone?), never being able to go to sleep before midnight (get up at 5 AM for work, too bad, no sleep for you), finding the trash in your front, and back, yards that the slobs throw out at all of these events. Have you come home from work on a Friday night to find a strange car in your driveway and people you don't know setting their lawn chairs up in your front yard because "the park was too crowded"? Have you heard noises in your home only to find a mommie and kid who decided to come through your unlocked front door to use your bathroom because her precious one "can't stand the thought of a porta-potty"? Well we have and it stinks. If the people who attend the events showed even a small degree of courtesy and common sense this argument might not even be happening. Unfortunately, those of us who live downtown, wherever that may be, put up with enough already. A seven day per week nuisance that is proposed for a park where all of the grass will be killed, there is no parking and there is no safe path to the rink is just plane stupid. It has nothing to do with not wanting to participate in downtown activities. I, for one, had my skates out and ready to go to the rink when it was proposed for the Domus lot or the library lot. Get working city council, there are better places than this high traffic corner.
Posted by minority seems to rule, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 9:58 am
I am distress how the minority seems to rule in Pleasanton to stop what would benefit the city as a whole. Most of the things which Arroyo posted above have been in the city plans for years. Another is the West Las Po interchange. In this economy especially, things that help our businesses should not be turned down lightly and certainly not because 3 people complain. I will agree that a parking structure is needed downtown but anyone buying in a city or even in the small town Pleasanton was 40 years ago had to know that the town would go...progress marches on. The vibrant downtown is one of the things that makes Pleasanton an extremely popular place to live in the bay area. It a main reason we chose Pleasanton 14 years ago when moving to the bay area. There are almost 69K people who live here. Continuing to let these small pockets of residents, obsessed with only their self-interest, negatively impact what is best for the city as a whole needs to stop.
Posted by Minority Seems to Rule ?????, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 10:15 am
You're right, the minority seems to rule. But it's not the "three people that complain", itís the business and development interests that control our corrupt City Council majority. Open your eyes - what's happened in Pleasanton is the same thing that has happened to our state and national politics. At least in Pleasanton there is an avenue for common citizens to have an influence. Though that time is rapidly slipping away.
Posted by Pleasanton Hills Resident, a resident of the Pleasanton Heights neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 10:40 am
We have lived here for 18 years and enjoy being able to walk a half a mile or so to the downdown area to dine, shop, and enjoy the many special events that occur throughout the year.
But I am disappoointed that you would consider putting the skating rink on DeLucchi Park. Why would you disrupt the existing use of the Park and surrounding area, 24 hours a day, for more than a solid month!
I agree with the residents who live in the downtown area that this is not a good idea.
There are much better locations for such an undertaking such as already mentioned: the Bernal property, the Fairgrounds, or by the Library....maybe in that vacant lot across the street from the Library near the Ace Train property. If people are going to dine or shop after using the skating rink, they will come.
Why ruin the downtown we love with this event! Move it elsewhere.
Posted by MainStreetDiva, a member of the Vintage Hills Elementary School community, on Aug 19, 2009 at 10:59 am MainStreetDiva is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Ngo Park King brings up a good point, although a bit off-topic:
--> Why is it that Livermore is able to do redevelopment, put in two concert halls, and put in a major parking garage, while Pleasanton is preoccupied with national politics... <--
Over the past 10 years, Livermore has grown its downtown area into a thriving mecca of shops, entertainment, and events, eclipsing Pleasanton's quaint Main Street shops (some of which have disappeared).
What is the City of Livermore doing that Pleasanton is not? Are we not able to attract unique and diverse retailers?
Posted by Downtown, a resident of the Val Vista neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 11:05 am
We have to start thinking about the greater good and stop being so focused on ourselves. The downtown ice rink provides a charm to downtown during the holidays. It is true that people living near the ice rink will see parking congestion, so will downtown business owners, but overall this will generate thousands of tax dollars for Pleasanton and introduce our beautiful downtown area to many new visitors. We can't encapsulate ourselves from the world. Pleasanton thrives because it brings in good business opportunities that generate tax dollars so our city can maintain our outstanding services. Property values in downtown areas aren't affected in a negative way when downtowns survive, in fact the opposite is true. Look at Santa Barbara. State Street is extremely difficult to navigate and parking can be nearly impossible, but property values are higher there than they are here. Don't let a few people lead the charge for a negative result for downtown. When city council reviews this, please attend and voice your opinion. There are plenty of residents on First and Second who fully support the ice rink and other downtown activities!
Posted by Jennifer, a resident of the Valley Trails neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 11:20 am
Just read the above post regarding Livermore. Livermore's residents voted yes for redevelopment money from the state of California a few years ago. They had to admit that their downtown was blighted. Pleasanton residents were given the same opportunity and they voted this down on more than one occasion. Typical politics at play here. The people opposed didn't want the state to frown upon our downtown, so they lobbied hard for a no vote and won. The end result is a great deal of redevelopement money helping Livermore's downtown thrive, while Pleasanton has to look at the private sector and local city funds for redevelopment. The state of California no longer has any re-development money...for obvious reasons. We have to accept what we have and work to improve it as a society. We should be proud of what we have and what we are doing to improve downtown. No one is helping us, so our improvements will happen slowly...but they will happen.
Posted by Park User, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 11:38 am
This ice rink looks like a bait and switch move. The plans fell through at the library and city staff thought they could switch to a new location at Delucchi Park without public getting active. Just goes to show that some events are not well planned when it comes to the City getting involved. Some time back the PW had an article with regards to this rink and there were lots of objections. What about the park site itself. The ice rink will kill the grass won't it? How long does it take to replace the whole park and will it need to be fenced off? The park looks great as is but could look terrible if theres a temp fence around it while a new turf takes hold. Then they're going to do it all again for the next few years. Wow. Find a proper place to do it but don't ruin the park for the sake of a desperate downtown business plan that the city should have helped over a decade ago.
Posted by New to P-Town, a resident of the Vineyard Avenue neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 11:38 am
I just moved to Pleasanton a couple of months ago. In making my decision of buying my first home and where I wanted to live for years to come I kept coming back to Pleasanton and I love it here. I only live 1/2 mile from downtown. It is great that they have the farmers markets, movie night etc. BUT I think the ice ring will be too much for downtown. The park for one is pretty small and there will not be enough parking for all the people they are expecting not to mention the possibility of the riff raff that could be coming and the crime that can come with that. I would like to see the rink be brought to another area of town with more room for a decent size rink, plenty of parking and police patrols. I for one like the small town feeling of the town thats one of the main reasons I moved here. I don't want the town to be like say a San Jose any time soon.
Posted by Member, a member of the Lydiksen Elementary School community, on Aug 19, 2009 at 11:41 am
The city hall parking lot area might work, could use library restrooms. How about the old Domus parking lot? Other locations could work if there was transportation to downtown, something like a cute trolley bus would be great. Some nearby shopping center would probably be thrilled to have this in their parking lot, as it would add a lot of potential customers to their center. Maybe someone should consider having a "Christmas in the Park" event in Pleasanton that would be an event of its own. If you buy a house close to downtown, you should expect what you get.
Posted by Nosy Neighbors, a resident of the Pleasanton Heights neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 11:42 am
On behalf of my bitchy, whiny, NIMBY, neighbors, I apologize for their selfish, myopic & short sightedness in regards to what seems to be EVERYTHING that stems from the Downtown area. I mean, c'mon folks! You mean to tell me you moved to the 1st, 2nd St. & surrounding neighborhoods JUST for the peace & quiet? This is another example of the small yet vocal minority dictating public policy & I'm just about fed up with it.
Yes every Friday for the past summer there is no parking in front of our house on Neal St. for the concerts in the park & yes on Saturdays if I'm dumb enough to try & drive down 1st St. during Farmers Market hours it'll take me 15 minutes. Twilight movies, love em', wine strolls, try & make them all, parades, can't wait for the next one.
I've said it before folks...Mountain House can't wait for you to move out there. I'm sure you'll be more than happy with all the peace & quiet.
Posted by CityofCharacter?, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Don't ice rinks use incredible amounts of energy to make ice outdoors!
How "Green" is the City of Pleasanton? What a farce. Its all about trying to convince us in this town that we need a big commercial ice operation at Staples Ranch. Dublin Iceland has ice available and public skating almost every day. While they're at it, put up a giant meter in the park to show everybody how fast it spins. City should have thought of this. Who's responsible?
Posted by Close to downtown, a resident of the Vineyard Avenue neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 12:13 pm
I don't think its necessary for people to get nasty about this. I mean we are all entitled to our opinion and if you do not agree it that does not make mine or others wrong. When you invest so much money into your home you want to keep it safe and looking nice and be able to park infront of it. I moved here from the Southbay, please do not make this town into another Milpitas! That was once a small, neighborly town too now look at it.
Posted by patricia, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 1:13 pm patricia is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
The stuff that Not That Location details is appalling, and I hope those attending these events clean up their act. They are the ones that ruin stuff for the rest of us. I love the idea of a downtown location for the ice rink, and a big part of the reasoning is to support our downtown businesses, which is important for ALL of us who live here. But I do see the neighbors' point about it being an ongoing inconvenience for them throughout the holiday season -- and am horrified that the city didn't even offer the courtesy of consulting them. It strikes me that we (the people of Pleasanton) own a big huge hunk of land that is supposed to someday be a park on Bernal with all kinds of services. Moving the rink there would give us all a chance to enjoy our 'park-to-be' and there would be space to park on the grass. And running shuttles to downtown would boost businesses and relieve parking there. Come on people, let's stop sniping, think creatively and find solutions that work for all of us!
Posted by Katie, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Wear earplugs??? You have got to be kidding? I suppose your solution for people's dogs defacating on our lawns is wear rubber boots; or that your solution to the air being fouled with pot smoke at the park concerts is to quit breathing!
Posted by PToWN94566, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 2:40 pm PToWN94566 is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
If the 'Chris Bourg' is the same one I know of in Pleasanton that taught at an elementary school, I was informed by another party that she had recently sold her home. Possibly I was misinformed. However, I know where that particular house is and I'm a bit shocked that there is a complaint- should read 'around the corner.' I wonder if the people that have complained about the rink also complain about the traffic caused by Candy Cane Lane, or the people that go on the wine stroll etc.
Here's another suggestion: move to the Dolores Bengtson Aquatic Center. I live in that area and there are a ton of families with children; I bet a large portion of those families would love to have something like that near their homes, especially during the holidays.
Posted by Ride in On a Horse, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Ngo Park King hit the nail on the head. When are the City Council, the Downtown Association, and the downtown merchants going to address the lack of parking? Anytime in the next two decades? Let's quit dreaming up fluff like parades, street fairs, and ice skating rinks and address the primary issue:
Posted by It's Genius, a resident of the Mohr Park neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 2:50 pm
This ice skating rink on First Street is a stroke of genius! Pleasanton has been trying to divise a plan to cut down on cut-through traffic from all those Livermore folks that love development but don't want to pay for roads. Now that we'll have an ice rink on First Street, let's dream up similar attractions to clog up Santa Rita, Las Positas, Hopyard and Valley as well! Do a good enough job and those Livermore folks might actually figure out transit alternatives that don't cut through Pleasanton.
Posted by Mary, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Actually, Katie, I was kidding about the earplugs. I have not totally thought out a thorough plan, didn't have time to really delve into it. But my point, was that with every issue there is a solution, but if an issue is approached by a win win type attitude, things will work out for everyone's benefit. And I mean, downtown neighbors, kids, city, and other folks in the area that are pro new exciting, vibrant activities taking place in dwnt Pleasanton.
We have lots of restaurants but the promotion of activities that stimulate other important facets of life are important and uplifting. I do not want Pleasanton to become like Niles, dull. Folks were always opposing change so it has stayed the same. Mind you, antiques are wonderful, but newness and an energy to a downtown can make a better community gathering place as well as, tax money and higher property value.
Palo Alto is one example of the charm and energy, but they are lucky to be a university town. Besides eating, there should be other activites that families and youth should be able to enjoy in our downtown. And there should be more activities such as the skating that attract visitors to our downtown.
Posted by not that location, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Wear earplugs Mary??? Really? That's just the smarta** kind of comment that causes people to get angry and not negotiate.
The rink is a wonderful idea -- just NOT THERE. We have had 4 pedestrians hit in the crosswalk in the past year where there is a working stop light. The audio walk signal at First and Angela even says that cars may not stop. This is one of the busiest cut-through roads in town and you want thousands of kids crossing where there is no light, and doing this in the dark as late as 10 PM?? Do you really want to see them hit or have you just not thought this through? Although I think the idea of mucking up the cut-through commute might actually be a good one . . . .
People have written about all of the other things going on downtown, which at least most of us moved here to enjoy. The market is 4 hours on Saturdays, concerts are 4 hours on about a dozen Friday nights, first Wednesdays are 4-5 hours 5 times per summer, there are only 2 wine strolls per year. We are talking about 12 hours per day, 7 days per week for the entire holiday season. Why until 10 PM? How many downtown stores are open that late? Not even close to the same thing.
The reality is that the people who come to skate will skate, not shop. The parents who drop off the skaters will fly through town, double park like they do for Friday concerts, and they will not shop downtown either. Pleasanton needs to address the lack of parking. Stop allowing in lieu fees to be paid, as for Comerica Bank, in order for the tenant to provide no parking. How many times do you get those little colored cards in the mail from the planning commission notifying you that you can protest a neighbor, blocks away, who wants to do something really awful like, um, adding 2 square inches to their storage shed? Yet the city council thought so little of all of those who will be impacted that they tried to make this a done deal with no public notification. Arrogance, just pure arrogance.
Posted by Tango, a resident of the Vineyard Hills neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 5:37 pm
I have always wondered why , So few people mess it up for the rest of us? You bought where you did for the Luxury of being close to down town. You knew that with that privilidge came a price. Traffic. The same with Stoneridge Blvd. That was not a dead end road, with a house on it . It was a barrier. What did you think was going there? There are other times when the few make the rest of us suffer. Please remember you are not the only ones in this town. We all have to learn to give and take. Thats is what being in this wonderfull town means.
Posted by Mary, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 5:50 pm
I took the liberty to view website www.restontowncenter.com. We do not have to reinvent the wheel. Beautiful pavilion used for ice skating and other events from Apr-mid Oct. I wonder if there is enough money in Pleasanton to develop something like this in a small scale.
Then they mention free parking 6 garages and 1 surface lot, can we shoot for something similar, too late for this year...I wonder? Very charming...
Posted by 1st Street Resident, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 6:30 pm
I am embarrased to be in the company of these complainers that could potentially ruin the Downtown Pleasanton appeal and growth in the future. I live/own on 1st Street and purchased here for the events and ability to enjoy from my front porch and walk to attractions in downtown. I have people parking in front of my house YES, and a busy street YES, the noise is expected so it doesn't bother me because I don't want to live in Mountain House, I wanted to live downtown. I am disturbed that these complainers could potentially affect the value of my home/purchase because of their complaints about parking or noise. Don't you want the value of your home to go up? Your tune will sadly change when downtown becomes a ghost town... so many business are leaving to Livermore where residents aren't complaining about noise but are very welcoming to the DOWNTOWN activities! YOU PURCHASED A HOUSE IN DOWNTOWN SO deal with it!!!! Pleasanton will never be a San Jose, Milpitas so that is a stretch thankfully, but it can turn in to ghost town very easily so be careful what you ask for!! Besides.. this could be a positive thing for the traffic on 1st by way of diverting the Livermore pass throughs to an alternative path. Think that through!! Relax people - enjoy life!
Posted by Leslie, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 19, 2009 at 6:53 pm
When these folks purchased their property, did their deed say they also owned downtown? Input from other residents that want this activities should also be a forward motion for the project as well as, these 3 people's ability to stop the activity? If they want in on every project that takes place in our downtown, then all residents should also have that power!!
Posted by LNMarat, a resident of the Val Vista neighborhood, on Aug 20, 2009 at 9:26 am
There does seem to be a small but vocal minority in Pleasanton, what I refer to as C.A.V.E.s Citizens Agains Virtually Everything. Every city has them and Pleasanton is no exception. Although the downtown area residents should be considered when making plans that affect their quality of life, they should not be able to dictate what would benefit the property owners in the rest of the city. Living close to downtown does not make their rights to dictate how PUBLIC Property is used. That would be like saying since I live near Donlon Park that I can dictate how that Park is used for other residents.
I certainly agree that disruption to citizens quality of life should be considered, but city council has the job of doing what is in the interest of the entire city, as well as the business in the downtown area. Business owners in that area are crucial to keeping our downtown vitalized and they're having a rough time. Events like the Ice Rink will bring consumers to their doors, they need it, we all need it.
Posted by LNmart, a resident of the Val Vista neighborhood, on Aug 20, 2009 at 10:10 am
to Notthatlocation, I disagree with you about the skating rink not bringing shoppers. Personally, I would love to allow my kids to skate while I went to the downtown area and did some shopping and a quiet dinner with my husband. When the kids need a break from skating they can get a hot chocolate from one of the coffee houses, or a burrito, or even ice cream from cold stone. the ice rink WILL bring money to our downtown area and those business owners have made an investment in our community too.
Posted by D W, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 20, 2009 at 10:12 am
Shall we just ask every business, sports franchise, or any other high-profile entity this following question: Before you propose and prepare a clear-to-be-noisy-to-the-neighborhoods venture, could you please let the neighborhoods know ahead of time? Please?
I'm for the ice-skating rink. However, if it's true that this rink was done behind residential backs, then I'm very disappointed that the San Jose Sharks - whose NHL voices have many Pleasanton ties, including one also attached to the local CBS station - did such a poor job communicating their plans to the neighborhoods that would be affected by the ice rink, even if the hours were to be daytime only. Perhaps the hockey team's first round ouster is another clear indication that they struggle to cover every detail in every other project they work on.
A little professional community courtesy between businesses and residents could go a long, long way toward a more successful venture.
Posted by Cmyart, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Aug 20, 2009 at 10:59 pm
I have to agree with many of the comments posted. Whenever something comes up that I think my kids would enjoy it seems to get knocked down by others. I agree, the city is responsible for communicating openly with the neighborhood and apologies for downtown residents who were taken by surprise. It seems a downtown rink would benefit the businesses who are having a difficult time surviving in these economic times, however, I would be happy to still see the rink in a different location. I'm excited about a full scale rink coming to Pleasanton. I'm only sorry that my kids will be off to college by the time anything gets decided and built.
Posted by Downtown, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Aug 21, 2009 at 2:25 pm
I have read all of the comments on this topic. I for one live downtown. I see both sides of the arguement. And as much as I will not like all the extra traffic it is only for about a month and it would be nice to have an ice ring in our town. Has the city thought of having a parking lot/structure built somewhere on the outskirts of town and providing a regular shuttle service to downtown? Horse and buggy or even old classic cars. Keep the old town feeling but make it more accessible for everyone.
Posted by Tango, a resident of the Vineyard Hills neighborhood, on Aug 21, 2009 at 4:05 pm
I like the idea of a carriage service bringing people from a larger parking area. I for one am a qualified carriage driver and have done down Pleasanton many times. There are draw backs. The insurance is astrinomical and the city has a lot of restrictions . some of which are hard to comply with. I realize some of theses restrictions are for safty, and I am all for safty. We do find it hard to bring our horses into town , when skateborders and motorcycles wiz by us like we do not exist. Some horse can take this some arn't always able, depending their mood. Sometimes you don't know a horses tolerance until you get there. Vintage cars maybe a better answer.
Posted by Jack, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Aug 23, 2009 at 10:41 am
I think the people who are "complaining" are getting a bad rap on this one: The deal was an ice rink at the library. Then, behind closed doors, the deal changed to ice rink at Delucchi. How can you take public input on the library site, and then move the thing to the other side of Main Street?
Posted by not that location, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Aug 23, 2009 at 11:28 am
Thank you Jack -- that is our point entirely. Bait and switch with no input from those most affected. We are NOT against anything, in spite of the nasty comments in this forum, we only wanted input.
Update on the rink as of Friday. The city apparently decided that safety would be compromised as well as the unfairness of impact from this location. The rink will be located in the civic center lot. Maybe next time they will do this the right way from the beginning and not need to generate such bad feelings. The civic center lot will be a win for everyone and it is much more "downtown" than a rink on the busiest cut-through speedway in Pleasanton.
Posted by Leslie, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Aug 25, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Unfortunately using half of the library's parking lot from mid-November through mid-January will not be a "win for everyone."
The majority of downtown businesses are blocks away. They don't win.
Local residents will suffer all of the traffic, litter, crowd, etc. issues already aired at length. They don't win. Hundreds of city employees forced to park nobody-can-yet-say-where every day for two months don't win. Thousands of library patrons - many of whom are seniors or parents with small children - will have to fight for already limited parking, and/or trek significant distances. They'll certainly also have to endure a daily tidal wave of those "just popping in to use the bathroom", and numbers of dropped off & unsupervised children. No win there. And those many hundreds of daily commuters who'll be saved the hazards & inconvenience of the ice rink at a downtown park? They'll just encounter them sooner and with less options as they try to negotiate Bernal, 1st & Main Streets.
I think using this year to thoroughly examine options, build the widest possible citizen support, and carefully lay out plans that will accomplish everything we're all hoping for may be the best answer. Much as many of us love the idea, it just feels like we're not quite ready for a downtown ice rink yet. Yes for 2010!!
Posted by Bait/Switch, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 26, 2009 at 8:14 am
Good point by Leslie. The Sharks must gain community approval for their rediculous facility proposal at Staples Ranch. Why are they trying to build 4 ice rinks? Didn't the Sharks say a couple of years ago that they were proposing 2 rinks? When did it switch to 4 rinks?Hence, we have a B&S or for better terms BS happening there from an organization that should have done their homework on this community before attempting a BS. Sure looks a little greedy by the great white in teal.
Now you have the City of Pleasanton asking for the Sharks to help bail out the town on many fronts including the downtown, parks etc. Can't get a proper location for a downtown ice that doesn't make sense to begin with. Sharks are turning into obedient dogs while the city plays them like a yo-yo. My guess is that the Sharks will eventually figure out what we all know and be smart enough to walk away.