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For those who want to complain about unions

Original post made by J, Another Pleasanton neighborhood, on Jul 15, 2009

Apparently there are those who are convinced that the unions are to blame for all the states ills- So I thought I would give them a place to slather full of all the hate they seem to need an audience for.

So, shall we start with blaming the unions for global warming...Or maybe the divorce rate in the state...Or how about the children's low test scores?

I'll blame them for the bird poop on my car! That seems reasonable...LOL

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Posted by To J
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 15, 2009 at 5:00 pm

No J,

We blame people like you with a mindset that cannot be rehabilitated because it doesn't even have the fundementals for reasoning and logic.


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Posted by J
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 15, 2009 at 5:08 pm

Come on now-that was an attack on me. Thought you were eager to blame all the problems of the world on the unions in the state, so go ahead.

BTW- "fundamentals" my "mindset" lacks "reasoning and logic" but I can spell

So how do you propose to "rehabilitate" me?


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Jul 15, 2009 at 5:30 pm

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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Jul 15, 2009 at 5:33 pm

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Posted by Proud Parent of Marine
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 15, 2009 at 9:17 pm

Cholo,
You are a worthless piece of sh__! How DARE you dishonor our Military. I know that you suffer from post traumatic stress and need mental help but I draw the line on your insults to those that FREELY join our military! You are just to stupid to know that it is not the poor kids that join! You are a moron! If you post anything else to dishonor these kids I will personally come over and kick your *** (edited)

And what does your post even have to do with the original subject?


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Posted by Peg
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 15, 2009 at 9:36 pm

How & why would this even be started. Where is this morning's intelligent & relevant forum on the arrogance & greed of the union that dares to charge ahead. This (edited) is beneath the Weekly.


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Posted by Unemployed
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 16, 2009 at 7:54 am

Everyone is trying to earn (note: EARN) a living. Unions? Are they? Are they there just so the Union BOSSES can earn hundreds of thousand dollar a year living on YOUR UNION DUES. While you strike, they sit in their offices and say sweet things into your ears! They only promote from within and no college boys allowed! Is this the type of American you wished for? Why does EVERYONE in a company with a union be required to join? Isn't this a unfair MONOPOLY? Shouldn't someone sue in the U.S. Supreme Court to give people their RIGHTS back? Oh, we can't... Ms. Latino is now in the Court and she won't allow such a thing and she will vote with her feelings and here ethnic background doesn't allow her to vote that way..

Come on everyone! Unions are for the past and for those who want to hang on to the FAT checks they have. How many time have you heard that the union won't have a raise... but silently, they are all getting a COLA (Cost of Living Adjustment) which is usually 2-3 %. Do you know that? Do you have a guarantee adjustment? Don't YOU want to know the truth?

This is NOT about being on the RIGHT or LEFT! This is fundamentally wrong and NO WONDER our businesses are being moved to overseas! BTW, once the Far East (oops Pacific Rim) and India becomes too expensive, the businesses will move their factories to AFRICA. It will be about 10-15 years from now! Don't believe me, just wait and see!

This is NOT ANTI-UNION. This is about free speech! I and (you too) have the right to voice our (your) opinion. This is what is so great about this country. Why should EVERYONE be FORCED to join the UNION? I have rights just like YOU! So, don't force me to join the UNION just because "it's an UNION SHOP". Isn't this undemocratic? Isn't this a MONOPOLY? Is this ANTI-TRUST? Why doesn't ACLU file a lawsuit to stop this unfair practices!

I love to hear your opinion(s).


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Posted by Arroyo
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 16, 2009 at 8:16 am

Unions breed mediocrity in performance by protecting their members with poor work ethic and minimal skills; while neutralizing their better skilled, more concientious, and harder working members.


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Posted by Unemployed
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 16, 2009 at 8:19 am

I would like to hear arguments about why EVERYONE HAS to JOIN the union if the workplace has been unionized? I don't understand this mode of operation. I know it's historical. So, history tells us things and we need to learn from it. There cannot be a law on this promise land that protect such practices? Or is it the fear that if one speaks out, one would end up in a concrete block and be supporting a high rise building somewhere in your neighborhood?


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Posted by Arroyo
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 16, 2009 at 8:29 am

Your California State Legislature is the best that union money can buy. The rules are now made by union officials and their puppets in Sacramento. When the Dem's finished their initial budget proposal, they submitted it to the major public employee unions for approval, before letting the Republican members get a look at it. Organized Labor's stranglehold on the legislature is one of the things that is ruining this once great state.


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Posted by Arroyo
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 16, 2009 at 8:39 am

To unemployed: I'll do my best to answer your question. It is my understanding that the rationale for making EVERYONE join the union is that the union spent their money to negotiate wage and benefit increases that the non-union employees benefit from. Therefore, the union membership and dues requirement is supposedly the payback to the unions for their magnanimous work in your behalf. Unfortunately, a portion of YOUR dues money goes to fund the campaigns of pro-union candidates who you may not agree with. And, the cycle is perpetuated. More union dues = more pro-union legislators.
I'm not sure I'm totally correct, but that's the way I see it.


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Posted by SteveP
a resident of Parkside
on Jul 16, 2009 at 10:08 am

SteveP is a registered user.

Arroyo--all excellent and thoughtful posts. You totally nailed it.

Jeb, can you ban Cholo permanently? His trolling is getting old, no doubt possible by lots of free time and personal drug abuse.


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Posted by D W
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 16, 2009 at 12:32 pm

What's shameful about the state of all unions is that we've done a very poor job separating the unions that have been honest, flexible, and fiscally well-run from the unions that are bad weeds who stick out by blatantly disregarding the needs of the customers who pay for their services. It would be interesting to evaluate all unions both in the Tri-Valley, all of California, and all of the USA, and see if a majority of these unions can be trusted with taxpayer money. Sadly, it sounds like my native state has to deal with mostly suspicious unions on a daily basis (in other words, making soon-to-retire baseball union chief Donald Fehr look like a boy scout). Yes, a lot of these people have families to feed, clothe, and heal, but let's challenge them to scale back as much as we have.
Good luck to those in Pleasanton and Danville who may participate in a constitutional convention. You'll need it when the labor subjects come up like huge mountains.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Jul 16, 2009 at 3:12 pm

all I recall having said is that union workers have earned their benefits. there is no need to be jealous, they're simply protecting what they've earned.

proud mommy has a wire hair trigger...tee hee hee, tee hee hee...

i am so escair...


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Posted by Proud Father
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 17, 2009 at 7:41 am

Cholo
If that is all you can "recall" saying then your recall isn't very good. Too many mind altering substances most likely. Pleast visit the mental unit at the VA in Livermore, you really need help.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Jul 17, 2009 at 9:59 am

never use drugs...i stand by my position re: unions. they have earned every benefit that they have and they have a right to fight to preserve what they've earned.

the jealous bugs didn't make out as well so now they want to take benefits away from other hard working citizens. if you can't tolerate how capitalism works, then go back to where your ancestors came from...PRONTO!

it's normal to feel jealous, it's not ok to try to undermine how businesses do businesses.
businesses give workers benefits with the hopes of keeping them. in exchange, they get a fair shake from workers...problem solved!

it's time to moveon.com




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Posted by J
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 17, 2009 at 11:25 am

Thanks Cholo, nice to see that somewhere here gets it. I don't understand how begrudging someone else their lifestyle improves our own....Guess I don't have the "mindset"

We seem to have some who have forgotten that unions also provide training programs which allow those without the means to go to college to learn a trade and earn a livable wage

They make sure these individuals, without the means to do it for themselves are represented, receive health care, retirement, you know benefits that before the unions formed, the workers had done without.

They also force employers to maintain safety standards for these workers, and update training and certifications.

I won't argue that these unions are without fault, but I will not argue that they are without merit. You only get out of any system what you invest in it. Before demonizing unions as a whole, look into the programs they offer. The laborers union in San Ramon offers training to kids who are "at risk", giving them a career option other then a future in the prison system


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Posted by train owner
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 17, 2009 at 12:45 pm

3000 holding 100x that hostage. this seems very familiar.
You own the trains people - take them back and give someone else a shot at the job.
The alternative is to let the stike go thru and it can be counted toward money saving furlough time. I think this more likely


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Jul 17, 2009 at 2:41 pm

Look...the "100x"can take swimming lessons, take a flying leap into the bay and hope that they make it to the other side. Just pretend that you're swimming the Rio Grande and that INS is after you! Hopefully, this little exercise will help you understand what illegals go through!

Like they say, it's ROOT HOG OR DIE!

ta-ta swimmers....hahahahahahahahahaha...


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Posted by Unemployed
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 17, 2009 at 4:58 pm

Thank you for the nice responses to my posting...

I have not heard from anyone that can answer the question - "Isn't Union rule fundamentally unconstitutional? One has THE RIGHT to work anywhere and for anyone. Why should one join the union if he/she chose not to? Why doesn't anyone challenge this in court? Where is ACLU?

Anyone care to address this? Or we all fear to end up like JH (for a different reason!)?


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Jul 17, 2009 at 6:48 pm

The masses are waiting for YOU to take the first step "unemployed" in the direction of union busting...you don't have the guts do you? hahahahahahahaha...coward!

If you don't like living in a country where there are unions, go back to where your ancestors came from...PRONTO!


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Posted by Unemployed
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 17, 2009 at 9:38 pm

Cholo, Why don't you go take another one of your pills or smoke a few more to put yourself back on welfare! You deserve to be there!

I have the guts to bring up the issue. The issue is more of no lawyers have the guts to take on the union!


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Posted by J
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 18, 2009 at 9:05 am

Unemployed- I'm not certain where you are making the connection between the Constitution and unions. I think that forbidding the workers to organize into groups to represent them would be a violation of their rights, but I don't believe any rules exist to prevent us from organizing. I for one am glad that it hasn't come to every nuance of our life requiring legislation as to how we conduct ourselves. A little free thought is a nice thing

I guess the short and simple answer is that if you object to being "forced" to join a union, there is always the option to seek work in a non-union shop. The union was there before you, and has a written agreement employer you will be hard pressed to break


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Posted by J
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 18, 2009 at 9:16 am

Web Link

This is a link that takes you to a page where it hows info on Supremem Court decisions about constitutionality of union activities. The long and short is they have not found against them


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Posted by J
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 18, 2009 at 9:37 am

Web Link

Congress enacted the National Labor Relations Act ("NLRA") in 1935 to protect the rights of employees and employers, to encourage collective bargaining, and to curtail certain private sector labor and management practices, which can harm the general welfare of workers, businesses and the U.S. economy.




NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS ACT


Also cited NLRA or the Act; 29 U.S.C. 151-169


[Title 29, Chapter 7, Subchapter II, United States Code]


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Jul 19, 2009 at 1:57 pm

Is that your best shot unemployed? Suggestions: Volunteer until you find a job. Get yourself a fake ID and wash dishes in a restaurant. Contact farmers and ask if they're hiring in the central valley. Unless of course, you don't want to get your high heels dirty. Join the military and help out with the war effort; spread Freedom and preserve American values. Teach english to illegals. Carry a flashlight and search for dinosaurs. In other words, you don't matter in this economy. You haven't mattered since Bush came to office. Don't miss your scheduled appointments with your psychiatrist, you may need a change in medications. Get divorced so that you aren't a burdeN for your spouse. It costs to feed 2 mouths you know!

If all else fails, then go back to where your ancestors came from and don't come back.

By the way, it just requires a big mouth and problem with impulse control to bring up a topic. No more no less...looooooooooser! hahahahahahahahahaha...

VIVA UNIONS! VIVA!


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