Posted by Christian, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Jun 30, 2009 at 5:42 pm
They are loud, offensive, aggressive and very rude! They do provoke confrontation and direct very questionable language towards families with toddlers. They condemn people they don't even know directly. They are way beyond offensive and I have sen them claim that guy is the messiah as well, which is bizarre!
They are a very poor example of attracting people to Christ!
Posted by Jessie, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 30, 2009 at 5:51 pm
SPF Preachers Exhort
The National Organization of Wackos, Witches & Whores
WASHINGTON, D.C.- The Street Preachers’ Fellowship traveled again to the Nation’s capital to preach to the NOW Parade of rebellious women, made up of 250,000 witches, whores, wackos and weight lifters who failed at being women. No commentary is needed to describe the ridiculous onslaught of failed feminism that marched through the streets of Washington, D.C. trying to be anything but a “Lady”.
Posted by CryToGod.Com, a resident of another community, on Jun 30, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Matthew 4:17 From that time on Jesus began to preach, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near."
The message today is the same:
R E P E N T !
Noah Webster’s 1828 dictionary defines REPENTANCE as follows:
3. Real penitence; sorrow or deep contrition for sin, as an offense and dishonor to God, a violation of his holy law, and the basest ingratitude towards a Being of infinite benevolence. This is called evangelical repentance, and is accompanied and followed by amendment of life.
Repentance is a change of mind, or a conversion from sin to God. - Hammond.
Godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation. 2Cor. 7 Matt. 3
Posted by StreetPreacher, a resident of another community, on Jun 30, 2009 at 5:59 pm
On dealing with the police:
Always speak in a professional manner. Yes Sir, No Sir is the absolute rule of the Fellowship. No Street Preacher serves a righteous cause in being publicly rude to an officer. Your attitude will go on the report and will meet with the same disrespect.
Always designate one person in charge to talk with the police. This is a no exception rule. More than one person talking to an officer confuses the issues, and will ultimately bring more officers. In every incident, only one officer is the designated call officer, and he will do most of the talking. The others are assist officers. If it is a 2 man unit, one officer will be the senior officer and will do most of the talking. Never allow any other preacher to speak to the call officer, or his assists. This will leave only one preacher’s response to show on the record. Unless asked for identification, other participants should refer all questions to the designated spokesman and person in charge. If this person is preaching when police arrive, he should immediately cease, and another takes his place.
Always make a point of asking for the officer’s business card. Every officer carries one. It will help set the atmosphere, if you immediately do this, and even give him yours. If he refuses, or does not have one, ask “Do you mind if I write down your name and badge number before going any further?” (Write down every officer’s name).
Always stand facing the officer, and slightly away from his gun side. Never stand close to the Officer’s gun side. Most will not allow you to do so, and are very conscious of where & how you are standing. Always remain relaxed, and stand just within his reach (he will keep that distance if you do not). They are taught to keep just within reach of a person, but far enough away to execute an elbow defensive block. Standing so, will make the officer less apprehensive of you. Standing too close to an officer, or too far away, makes him nervous, and he will pay more attention to this than to what you are saying.
Never stand with a sign in your hand while talking to the officer. Most will not allow this. Make it a point to place the sign down, or hand it to another.
Determine the temperament of the call officer before you commit yourself to making decisions that will be irreversible. The officer is doing the same to you. Confrontations with police are often caused by failure to do this, and will ultimately drag you into an argument that has no solution beyond a physical stand off. There are a number of things to do immediately, to help you determine the temperament of the call officer. A. Upon his approach, smile and attempt to shake his hand while introducing yourself, and any other preacher close by that is not preaching. B. Attempt to maintain the lead in the conversation, and inquire as to how the officer is doing today...They keeping you busy?...Nice weather today!...etc. C. Behave naturally as if nothing is wrong. If the officer is arrogant and proud, he will immediately cut you off, and you will know that he has already pre-determined you are doing something wrong! If the officer resents allowing you to take the lead, and talks down to you, immediately shut up, and listen quietly and politely, and when he is finished, ask him to call a supervisor. You cannot deal rationally with this type officer when he has already made up his mind you are breaking the law! He will not be taught Constitutional law from you! If the officer is calm, and does not mind allowing you to lead the conversation, and is polite answering your inquiries, keep him in this mood, while politely explaining the situation, and your knowledge of your Constitutional Rights to preach in the open air. Refrain from attempting to teach the officer what the law says. Confine your remarks to explaining your knowledge of the law, the Constitution, and Supreme Court/ Federal Court rulings. You will get further framing your conversation as to what you know about the law, than about what he doesn’t know! Proverbs 15:1 is always the rule!
Never go out on the street without first determining before God what your set options are, and what you are going to do with His help! You will never demonstrate confidence in your position to the officer, if you have not ahead of time made up your mind to go to jail, if need be! Indecision on your part, strengthens an officer’s confidence in attempting to bully you into submission. Decisions made under stress, are many times the wrong decision, unless you are trained by experience to work that way. Be very, very careful in allowing pressure, fear and stress to change your mind on the street, about a plan you prayerfully constructed when not under the stress of this moment.
Defying a police order to cease. This is a difficult time in any preacher’s ministry, and in any officer’s day. Never do this disrespectfully! Never do this except in matters pertaining to free speech and right to assemble. Never do this unless you have conducted yourself lawfully in everything you have done that day. There is a difference between legal conduct, and lawful conduct. The right to preach, distribute gospel tracts, and display signs are lawfully protected Constitutional activity. However, there are times and places that those lawful activities can be restricted in the manner by which you exercise such lawful conduct. When those restrictions are narrowly drawn by the authorities so they do not unreasonably interfere with the lawful exercise of your Constitutional Rights, the police are within the law in enforcing those restrictions. To defy those restrictions makes your lawful conduct illegal. However, the personal opinion of the police officer is not considered by the Supreme Court as meeting time, place and manner restrictions, but is itself unlawful. Examples of conduct Police can restrict: Passing out tracts to people in automobiles driving/stopping in the street; Blocking entrances to stores; Blocking pedestrian traffic; Attempting to force people to take literature after they have refused it; Preaching in a residential/hospital district, or an area restricted for the protection of government officials, Etc. It is not the position of the SPF to defy the police in areas that can be restricted. But it is the position of the Fellowship not to allow the police to defy the Constitution and our God called command to preach the gospel to every creature.
How to refuse an Officer’s order. Always be polite, but firm. If you need a moment to advise the people preaching with you about what you are about to do, most officers will allow you time to “consult with folks”. It is wise to excuse the women and minor children to move away from the vicinity (across the street). Always allow one person to remain at a safe distance to film any arrests and verbal exchanges. Without delay, offer one of those quick Nehemiah prayers (Nehemiah 2:4), and advise the officer in charge that you respect his authority, and understand he has an unpleasant job to do, but that you cannot conscientiously adhere to his Unconstitutional, and unlawful demand, and that you will have to continue preaching even at the cost of imprisonment. If at all possible, avoid having to defy an officer’s command when the police are overbearing, and over reacting. It will not always be avoidable, but try your best. Once you have advised the officer in charge of your intentions to continue preaching, then without further conversation, step away from the officer and continue preaching. He will do the rest!
Submit to Arrest. When an officer places his hands on you, whether he advises, “You are under arrest”, before or afterwards is immaterial to the arrest. From the moment he places his hand on you, you are lawfully under arrest. He is required by law to advise you that you are under arrest. However, the law does not govern his every action, nor how quickly he tells you. His specific department has rules of arrest governing the procedure, but these differ from city to city. Most officers will tell you immediately that you are under arrest, and physically constitute that command by grabbing you by the arm to either handcuff you, or search you for weapons. (Never carry a weapon on the street, permit or otherwise). When the officer takes hold of you, immediately cease preaching. Anything beyond complete submission can and may be construed by the officer as resisting arrest, and to do so, places your loud vocal expressions out of the realm of true preaching, and into the arena of vocal diatribes. You are now numbered with the transgressors, and the wisest court in this land will tell you, the wisest thing to do when arrested is “Remain silent”. You have had your say, now let them have theirs.
Things to watch for and avoid while being arrested. You are a preacher, not an activist, or a protester. Behave like a minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ. You came there to stand and preach. Do not sit down in protest because the cost of standing to preach is going to jail. Stand up like a man, and “be subject” to the arrest according to the scriptures (Romans 13:4,5) for “obeying God rather than man” (Acts 5:29). When arrested by an over-reacting, arrogant officer, be very careful, and constantly alert. There are officers who will physically rough you up, to provoke even the smallest reaction from you, so they can escalate it into resistance, and either harm you physically, or charge you with resisting arrest. From this point on, you are required by law to give your name, address and birth date, but nothing more. Keep your mouth shut, and resist the temptation to speak further.
Do not sign any statement, or promise to do anything other than show up for trial. Police and magistrates are infamous for trying to sucker a street preacher into signing a promise not to preach anymore until the trial is over. Under our judicial system, you are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Until the state can prove your actions unlawful, they are to be presumed legal, and you cannot be forced by threat of further imprisonment for refusing to promise not to preach until after the trial. This is a serious violation of your Constitutional Rights to due process of law. If they confiscate any property (signs, tracts), they must give you a receipt for that property. Failure to do so, constitutes theft! Beware of what you sign when they are either keeping, or giving back your property. Verify everything before signing a return receipt. Do not sign anything whatsoever when they unlawfully confiscate your property without a warrant. When released, rejoice as per Acts 5:41, and call your State Director.
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Jun 30, 2009 at 10:40 pm Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
What do you mean,
Are you asking about the cup of tea? It means these people come here looking for some sort of confrontation because Pleasanton is apparently some sort of den of sin. They seem to thrive on the expectation that someone won't like what they have to say. Sit down and talk with them instead. Be nice, generous, compassionate, and courteous to them instead.
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Jun 30, 2009 at 10:46 pm Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Let's pretend for a moment that Jesus was sitting outside of Tully's and nobody recognized Him. Suddenly a group of people arrive with large and confrontational signs and get loud. Not only are they preaching God's Word, but they are calling others names, suggesting that their audience is homosexual or other baseless accusations. What do you think would happen? What if they called Jesus a homosexual to his face? Boy, egg on their face, right?
Posted by What do you mean?, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 30, 2009 at 10:56 pm
(I sure chose an annoying screen name to type over and over!)
I see your point, but I would also hazard a guess that in your depiction Jesus would understand them - He is supposed to know the motivations in our hearts, right?
I think there is a marketing problem with these people, not a motivational problem with their actions.
Dare I say that their words are consistent with God's Word? I haven't seen their handywork first hand, but I haven't read where they have hurt others. Perhaps there was name calling, but 'sticks and stones', right?
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Jul 1, 2009 at 10:44 am Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
You did see my point and you even understood it to the extent that your guess is also spot on. That's exactly what I was trying to say. Jesus would not only understand them, but he'd treat them with understanding. He'd probably share a nice cup of tea with them.
(Also, the name calling is in their videos on their website...)
Yes, it's a marketing problem. I'm not sure I understand why these people feel they need to be confrontational. I think that it really turns others off to the message they're trying to broadcast, thus rendering their efforts somewhat futile.
Posted by Jon, a resident of the Danbury Park neighborhood, on Jul 1, 2009 at 2:06 pm
"Posted by What?, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, 20 hours ago
What is your problem, Jon? How can a group of people talking about God get you so bothered? Is it you think they are right about you...hmmm?
I think I know the true answer, whether you want to admit it or not!"
MY PROBLEM IS: I would NEVER go down town Pleasanton, or anywhere else for that matter where people were quietly and peacefully enjoying themselves and....
A)Yell at the top of my lungs for hours
B) Walk up to people with kids or not, crouch down and get within two inches of their face and yell "your going to hell" "your money and success will not get you to heaven" "your children are going to become homosexuals" "you are fornicators" Bla Bla Bla...
It's a TURN off, its disrespectful and its flat out unacceptable behavior.
The police said that if these guys came up quickly on folks in this threatening hostile manner and were punched, that it could easily perceived as a threat and self defense would be justified.
Last time I checked we were grown ups and know exactly where to go to get gods word. We know exactly how to be saved. These folks are a total turn off and out of line.
Posted by George, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Jul 1, 2009 at 2:38 pm
So its Kevin Farrar, a roofer from Fremont? What a piece of work this fool is!
Kevin Farrer, a roofer from Fremont, earned his infamy earlier this week during a protest outside San Francisco’s City Hall. While Del and Phyllis were inside getting hitched (again) after 55 years of togetherness, Farrer was outside preaching hate.
But when a guitar-playing supporter of marriage equality dropped with a heart attack, Farrer was right there to scream, “God killed him for loving fags!” (At last report, the man stricken with a heart attack was hospitalized and in guarded condition).
Farrer is part of a “street preaching” crew called Cry To God which seems, like most of these outfits, to be fixated on gay people. They’re often called “confrontational evangelists,” and you’ve got to wonder how effective they are, considering that they’re cut from the Fred Phelps cloth of negativity.
Farrer didn’t get to dance on any graves, but he did manage to diss Sacto’s parade (“Can’t you do any better than this? This is a lame parade!”) and tick off city councilmember Lauren Hammond (“You’re no Christian! If you support homosexuals, you’re as much a Christ-hater as they are!”) before he agreed to turn off his megaphone. Hammond didn’t respond to him, but her evil look said it all.
Frankly, those megaphones should require permitting. C’mon, if amplified music needs a permit, so should amplified preachin’ of hate. But then, Farrer seems to have a powerful set of lungs on him, so maybe it wouldn’t make much difference.
Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore, on Jul 1, 2009 at 4:23 pm
It must come as a shock to many Plutonians that the Street Preachers are living breathing human beings just like you! Yup, and they have not hurt your community, your families or children, they not have disrupted the flow of business or caused traffic accidents. They are merely preaching the gospel as other christians do in various other settings.
Pleasanton has: alcohol & drug abuse, petty theft, blue & white collar crime, suicide & homicide, drunk drivers, families in crisis, divorce, child molesters, people that defend child molesters, schools in crisis, and excellent police and fire departments. Oops, I forgot, there are lots of busy body types and high schools that rank 496 and 552 respectively! Not so bad huh...?
I would also note that the extreme right wing zealots are even unable to find peace of mind in the Bible? Have you found no comfort since the election?
Posted by Julie, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jul 1, 2009 at 6:12 pm Julie is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
I think those who are hurt most by these people are the surrounding businesses. Yes, there is a right to free speech. Although I don't believe that right should infringe on my family's right to a tranquil evening outside Cold Stone, I also have the right to move somewhere else - and that's exactly what I would do if I found these nuts on the corner. I would let the businesses know that I was leaving because of the evangelicals. The business owners are the ones who should feel motivated to do something about this if it is truly a problem.
Posted by don, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Jul 3, 2009 at 10:30 am
NO, they do NOT speak the TRUTH! And what IS the TRUTH? Nobody really knows. The bible says in the first few pages that the writings are a work in progress and that Jesus actual words are NOT written in the bible.
There is as much validity that several other religions are the, or rather a Truth. Christianity is one of the newest religions and is practiced however modern man feels fit.
Churches are some of the most profitable business in the US. Non-profit at that! And they try to get 10% AFTER TAX dollars out of their members!
There is a HUGE motivation to keep this going and to rile up the Christian and have them thinking this is the time to get even more radical.
Posted by Truth, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jul 3, 2009 at 3:09 pm
I can say with authority and certainty that there is one truth, and I am just one of countless that know what it is. You can too.
It isn't elusive and doesn't neccesitate anyone to do anything special.
Don, you are not speaking the truth when you say, "The bible says in the first few pages that the writings are a work in progress and that Jesus actual words are NOT written in the bible."
That is utter manure.
There is no thing written in the Scriptures about the Bible saying it is a work in progress. But if it did, why would you choose to believe that one thing it said and not the rest of it? That is a seriously flawed argument you're using!
Posted by Alison, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jul 3, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Does anyone else find it odd that the community is all up in arms about guys that are talking about the Bible, but we could care less about the uglyness in our community like underage drinking and drug use, violence against women, children and the elderly, and poverty, hunger, etc?
I think I'd like to see people a little more stirred by those things than a bunch of preachers! Wow, you all need to get your priorities worked out!
Posted by Jon, a resident of the Danbury Park neighborhood, on Jul 3, 2009 at 4:25 pm
What we do find odd is all these Christians preaching morality and pushing family values on the rest of the world, while they are getting caught cheating on their spouses, having sex with the same sex, and molesting children!!
These activities and crimes are far more prevalent in the conservative religious community than any other group.
That's why a LOT of people thing your full of beans!
Posted by Alison, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jul 3, 2009 at 10:24 pm
So basically because you do not prefer what it is that these guys are saying they should have their First Amendment rights taken from them? Restricted according to you? And is it also you that gets to decide who gets to say what?
What I don't understand is your assessment above is that somehow these people that come to preach and speak their minds are teammates of anyone that has morally faltered. How can you say that, believe that or even think that?
When exactly did the memo go out that those who believe something have to live up to it with 100% accuracy? Isn't the point of personal conduct and morality to reach for an ideal? Is that what you are in opposition to? Ideals and morality? This means nothing to you? Are you in favor of complete depravity - or do you hold to a personal virtue?
I think you need to spend a little more time examining your own actions before you examine those of others. Reaching toward a goal and encouraging others is not invalidated when you fail.
Expecting others to never fail in spite of honest aspirations is. If that is your argument then you, in fact, have more in common with how you characterized Christians than you think.
"As the ass spilled his wine, the pig laughed at him from his mud pen."
Posted by Jon, a resident of the Danbury Park neighborhood, on Jul 3, 2009 at 11:36 pm
"I think you need to spend a little more time examining your own actions before you examine those of others. Reaching toward a goal and encouraging others is not invalidated when you fail."
The difference is that I practice my values and morals and don't stand on the corner screaming at people. I don't scream directly at people and yell,"sinners, your going to hell, homosexual, adulterers, you bikers, go to your movies, drive your fancy cars, live in your fancy homes, your all going to hell, repent"
I live my life and don't force my values upon others on the street corner. I don't PREACH about what others should and should not do, EXCEPT that others should NOT stand on the corner, screaming at families and little kids.
The trouble with the religious conservative right wing fanatics, is that they publicly denounce the very actions they get caught engaging in, time and time again.
And YOU say "Reaching toward a goal and encouraging others is not invalidated when you fail"..
YES it is invalidated to the fullest extent when you condemn others for immoral acts, you capitalize on a facade that your for family values etc, your are elected and front and center in the public eye, and you get caught stealing public funds, cheating on your spouse or having sex with little kids. This is happening over and over again with the religious conservatives and it is NOT O.K.
These people are INVALIDATED when they fail and get caught IMO!
And you would probably poop your pants if I were to say I am a Conservative Christian!!
Posted by Jon, a resident of the Danbury Park neighborhood, on Jul 3, 2009 at 11:41 pm
AND just in case you have never heard these fools, go to the link and listen to the video's for an hour.
Everyone is "going to hell" and will be condemned for riding a motorcycle, going to the movies, going to a fancy dinner, listening to rock and roll, living in a nice house, wearing nice cloths, and the list goes on!
These idiots are flat out lunatics and that Jesus thinks they are fools.
Posted by Dan, a resident of the Civic Square neighborhood, on Jul 3, 2009 at 11:44 pm
Enough is enough already people. I agree, these nuts should go to a big church function and blow off some steam. It's not right for them to come to Pleasanton to scream at everyone, judge and condemn every stranger that walks by.
Posted by 2ME4U, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Jul 6, 2009 at 5:28 pm
It's the yelling, not the verbage or message. No yelling, no problem. He's yelling to cause a problem, problem = people. Juggle, do whatever on the street you think you can do to draw a crowd for 5 minutes thn look up and count your spectators. At the same place set up a loud fake arguement between you and a friend and 5 minutes in look up and count. People love watching fights, like car accidents on the side of the road.
Psalm 35:20 (King James Version)
20 For they speak not peace: but they devise deceitful matters against them that are quiet in the land.
Lamentations 3:26 (King James Version)
26 It is good that a man should both hope and quietly wait for the salvation of the LORD.
Quiet can be good. We should try to avoid getting a crazy person's, or attention seeking person's religious beliefs tied to the person actions. Then you would hate Christianity because this guy or hate Muslims because 9-11. These people are in every town and village in the world.
Posted by Wow, John, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jul 6, 2009 at 5:29 pm
You seem to really enjoy stirring the pot and keeping your original posts at the top of the forum by continually commenting within. Why are you so motivated to encourage others to do the work you yourself would like? Have you looked into your own heart lately?
So they yell. People are free to walk away - even leave a restaurant in the middle of a meal (which I highly doubt ever even happened after the stellar examples of your "stories" you've given...just too far out..). People are free to yell and if someone doesn't like it, move along. They can come right up to you, but if you walk away, they don't run along side of you or chase you.
You are keeping this ridiculous thread going for some wierd self-interest and I think it's time you sat by yourself.