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We need a NEW Constitution

Original post made by RonJones on Jun 17, 2009

Amazing how the problems never seem to keep coming, don't they? And through it all, our government seems terminally unresponsive. Perhaps there is a reason for this.

I believe that there is a reason, and the reason is that we are living under a form of government that has been rendered obsolescent by the passage of time and technical progress. Accordingly, it is my view that we should look at possible remedies which can be achieved by amending the Constitution. Not just one, two, or even three amendments, but a whole host of amendments, resulting in a new constitution.

Comments (18)

Posted by Very Concerned, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 17, 2009 at 10:39 pm

I for one, will defend our constitution. It is the bedrock of this nation. Without it, we are no longer the United States of America.

Perhaps your goal is the end of our nation.


Posted by Ron, a resident of Downtown
on Jun 18, 2009 at 2:14 pm

RonJones, instead of blaming the Constitution why don't you blame those in power? Republicans and Democrats. In spite of our problems we still have the greatest form of government yet devised as dictated by the greatest document of its kind. The problem is that the document which limited federal powers has been trampled and we are now ruled by special interests that have gained great power through the politicians they have bought. If you continue to vote for incumbants you are also part of the problem.


Posted by Freedom isn't free, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 18, 2009 at 2:40 pm

Ron, very well stated.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jun 18, 2009 at 4:59 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Hard to understand this guy's post. Does he mean the Federal or State Constitution? If he means State, I'm in agreement. They should reform the initiative and referendum process while they're at it, use Switzerland's model as a successful example.


Posted by Nope, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 18, 2009 at 5:09 pm

There is nothing wrong with The United States Constitution
or the California Constitution. What is wrong, however, is those messing with it and not thoroughly upholding it.

There is nothing new from Europe or any other part of the world that our young republic needs to incorporate that we do not already have. We are the experiment and the hypothesis is set. It has not failed and will continue to prevail if we maintain it's mission. The Founding Fathers knew what they were doing - running from any European model - and we should leave it alone.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jun 18, 2009 at 5:37 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

"or the California Constitution. What is wrong, however, is those messing with it"

Right, which would be us, the voters, because we have this initiative process...

The Founding Fathers didn't implement this initiative process, they abhorred it!

Just because we're "the experiment" doesn't mean we can't start the experiment over with new variables. We were given this ability in the founding of our country and there's no reason not to use it when things become totally broken.


Posted by Freedom isn't free, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 18, 2009 at 10:57 pm

Stacey, what urks some of us is when you site foreign solutions. Switzerland here, Sweden there. Perhaps we can and should look at what others do. As Americans, we tend to be pridefull and want to figure things out on our own, without the help of our "friends" around the world. Many of us don't especially like to hear: "we should be more like xyz country".

We're a stubborn lot, us Americans.






Posted by Ditto, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 18, 2009 at 11:10 pm

Cheers to that "Freedom"!


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jun 18, 2009 at 11:14 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Hrm, prideful or stubborn. When someone comes up with a great solution, you'll let pride stand in the way? You certainly don't see the rest of the world letting their pride stand in their way to reaping our ideas. Did you know that the EU enjoys the fruits of American scientific research more than us?


Posted by RonJones, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jun 20, 2009 at 1:07 am

Look, the Founding Fathers were from a lost era! What worked then, doesnt work now. Lets faceit folks!


Posted by RonJones, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jun 20, 2009 at 1:07 am

Look, the Founding Fathers were from a lost era! What worked then, doesnt work now. Lets faceit folks!


Posted by What?, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 20, 2009 at 12:01 pm

"the Founding Fathers were from a lost era! What worked then, doesnt work now..."


Yeah,

We should totally punt anything that has held up to the test of time because it is inconvenient.

I say we abolish medicine, democratic principles, reading and writing, and other bedrocks of societal values passed along from the past.

What??

The Founding Fathers presented timeless principles in a document that allowed for subtle changes. When does personal freedom and liberty become outdated???

Oh, you must be one of those "progressive folks" that know better than centuries of tried and true values. I see...

I guess since that is your opinion, I should just give up my value system, trust you know better than those in history who have already tried everything...

Good luck with that...I'm sticking with the orignial intent of the Constitution.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Civic Square
on Jun 20, 2009 at 5:23 pm

He has a point. These geezers were from an era that does not resemble our era. We do need to examine these principals and make a new constitution that would work for the majority.


Posted by unclehomerr.., a resident of Downtown
on Jun 21, 2009 at 3:59 pm


Sounds like the 'gays' are floating a new solution to 'their' problem.

unclehomerr..

[If it don't work (for us) let's fix it!]


Posted by RonJones, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 21, 2009 at 7:08 pm

Stacey,
"Just because we're "the experiment" doesn't mean we can't start the experiment over with new variables. We were given this ability in the founding of our country and there's no reason not to use it when things become totally broken"

I agree! The constitution is not perfect and certainly does not hold up in real life by any means!

Also, people tend to talk about the founding fathers as if they were god!


Posted by Jenny, a resident of Valley Trails
on Jun 21, 2009 at 7:11 pm

In the endless culture wars between the extreme left and the Religious Right, both misuse the words of the Founders to support their political positions. The facts are most of the Founding Fathers Were Not Christian fundamentalists or modern Humanists. Many would in fact be Unitarians or liberal (in the traditional sense of the word) Christians. They believed in God and religious liberty.

PRO

At the time of the adoption of the Constitution and the Amendments, the universal sentiment was that Christianity should be encouraged, not any one sect. In this age there can be no substitute for Christianity. That was the religion of the founders of the republic, and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants. The great vital and conservative element in our system is the doctrines and divine truths of the gospel of Jesus Christ."



CON

Although, many of America's colonial statesmen practiced Christianity, our most influential Founding Fathers broke away from traditional religious thinking. The ideas of the Great Enlightenment that began in Europe had begun to sever the chains of monarchical theocracy. These heretical European ideas spread throughout early America. Instead of relying on faith, people began to use reason and science as their guide. The humanistic philosophical writers of the Enlightenment, such as Locke, Rousseau, and Voltaire, had greatly influenced our Founding Fathers. Unlike the violent atheist' French Revolution, Christianity and its traditions were a counter to Enlightenment extremism.


Posted by DontForget, a resident of Downtown
on Jun 21, 2009 at 8:21 pm

DONT FORGET:

The radical provisions of Pennsylvania's constitution lasted only fourteen years. In 1790, conservatives gained power in the state legislature, called a new constitutional convention, and rewrote the constitution. The new constitution substantially reduced universal white-male suffrage, gave the governor veto power and patronage appointment authority, and added an upper house with substantial wealth qualifications to the unicameral legislature. Thomas Paine called it a constitution unworthy of America.


Posted by WoW, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 21, 2009 at 9:28 pm

Our past government and present government has done and is doing MANY of the following ACTS! So, what do we do now?

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.


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