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There are already stirrings of another measure working its way forward. If you want to get in touch with the PTA and schools and you can help too. I believe there will be more of a "get out the vote" approach this time, and more advertising. A lot of the people who stayed home were surprised at the result and would have voted for it.
Don't worry about the few shrill voices you may find at Pleasanton Weekly Town Square. There is a loud minority here who may be just a little angry that politics in this country aren't going their way, and like to vent here.
You're stretching the situation like many of the supporters did. Opponents of Measure G, for the most part, are against the School Board wasting the money they have and then threatening us unless we 'pony up' more on their terms. We've 'ponied up' so much, many of us are dizzy from going around and around in 'pony circles'.
We support our teachers.. we support the programs the school board is threatening you with.. we support the lower class sizes.. we don't support them creating a budget, accepting a budget, and then doing as they damn well please.
We are/did not vote against the kids! We voted to demand fiscal responsibility and accountability.
Don't let them coerce you [and other supporters] into not standing up for sound business practices. We've reached the bottom of the pot! [or feedbag in this case.]
Yup..I think you're a fool for moving back.
It continues to amaze me that so many people are willing to blame their neighbors for a situation that is the direct result of poor leadership and fiscal irresponsibility at PUSD.
For me, voting against Measure G had absolutely nothing to do with politics and everything to do with not wanting to toss more good money into the PUSD void. We've done enough of that. Stop blaming your neighbors for their "short-sightedness" and direct your ire at the PUSD board. I would think one of the definitions of short-sighted is the depletion of the PUSD budget reserve for salaries and raises! We should expect, and receive, excellence in leadership and fiscal responsibility from the officials we elect to oversee Pleasanton's education system.
Given the saturation of pro-G campaign litter this time it's hard to imagine how there could be more. But it really doesn't matter how many glossy cards and newspaper ads are thrown my way. Until PUSD steps up to do the job they were elected to do, and listens to the . . . whole . . . community, I will continue to vote against any measure that gives money without restrictions to a board that is not managing it in the best interests of our schools.
On the other hand, I will gladly support Pleasanton's two educational foundations, PPIE and PSEE, who are now working to raise money that will be earmarked and directly applied to programs we want for our students - not raises and perks.
I agree with unclehomerr and Rae - your anger is misguided.
Make a donation to PSEE of PPIE. Those of us who supported measure G should all do that, I know I have. Tell your friends, neighbors and everyone you know to make a donation.
Here are the links to psee and ppie:
The "get out to vote" approach is the sheepish way to deny this Community a valid approach to learn, in context, from those changes taking place over the last 2 years involving administrative and newly elected board members. Approachability with an hear for listening but not hearing has hurt the cause. Our educated Community understands that our public school system depends on federal,local and state funding, often times with specific uses.
Consider spread space within the Independent or Weekly that administrative or board members could respond to questions asked by the public. This could promote an area of reform in itself to familiarize ourselves with these new persons responsible for the accountability of our school district. Sounds like a beginning. My problem has always been, how to work with others? The world is not equipped for that any longer. Help the Community.
Well you were foolish if you expected everyone to want to pay the teachers raises when out of work. Just wasn't and will not happen. You should be lucky all the voters did not come out or the margin would have been larger.
"wanting the community that we enjoy but are not willing to pony up for its price"
There are some of us who understand that "community" is not necessarily something that is bought.
Thank you for those links. A lot of Measure G supporters have given more than their $230 already, and many more will probably be giving.
I also have a child that is about to enter Kindergarten, as the OP does, and I am already spending time with my child teaching them to learn to read and it is going well.
I will not stress myself over the class size. I will however, place the well earned responsibility at the feet of the district admin and Board, for STILL not asking the Union to take a freeze and cut of their ridiculous salaries at this time in the economy.
I will only donate to the foundations mentioned above if one, the district asks the Unions for concessions and the district office admin rolls back their raises from last year, two, if Dr. Casey resigns from these foundations, and also if they don't hand the district a blank check of funds. If the foundations raise the monies needed for a specific program, then I would expect they would get it in writing that we have just purchased class size reduction, for example.
Giving the money anyway goes against the very reason I voted no, unless the district does some major clean up first.
My child will be fine in any class because the class is not the only place they will be learning and educated.
You are foolish, indeed, and you also have some anger issues. I suggest some anger management and better educate yourself on the wasteful spending by PUSD. Your anger should be directed toward those at the district who mismanage our hard-earned money. Let's start there. Move out of here if you still have anger issues.
Foolish, no. Pleasanton is a great place to live. Maybe you're fiscally ignorant or naive, either way, your thoughtless comments are uneducated. You use the same rationale as if I asked my meighbors to 'pony up' for my motgage if I default because I've purchased a home I can't afford!
In the last 10 years, has sending your kids to a Pleasanton school every been thought of as undesirable??
I'd be glad to send you a check for $230 so you can complete your GED.
No on G wrote:
"I will not stress myself over the class size. I will however, place the well earned responsibility at the feet of the district admin and Board, for STILL not asking the Union to take a freeze and cut of their ridiculous salaries at this time in the economy."
At UC Berkeley, the LARGE trades union group IS GLADLY freezing pay increases in the new UNION contract for 09/10. The rational is "we would rather all pitch in and sacrafice, so our UNION Brothers and SISTERS are not laid off.
It's difficult to see why the school board can't balance a budget. Asking the admin's to cut from the top down only seems reasonable. It's too bad you feel your child is being mistreated by the taxpayer, when it's really the school's management system that should take the blame. Why is this so hard to understand.
Well, I guess you could have moved to Richmond or Oakland. Maybe East Palo Alto or East LA. My point is that Pleasanton is a wonderful place in the context of other more desperate location. You seemed pushed out of shape, but when you think about it, we all really have it pretty good (again compared to other parts of the world)
See what I mean about the few shrill voices here. There is plenty support for the local schools.
"You are foolish, indeed, and you also have some anger issues. I suggest some anger management and better educate yourself on the wasteful spending by PUSD"
Don't worry the community is changing and remember that San Ramon took two tries to get theirs passed. "Get out the vote" efforts can accomplish a lot if done well.
The majority of voters voted against the measure, indicating that the majority of voters felt it should not pass. What exactly did you learn about the democratic process when you were attending school in Pleasanton?
Please, if you disagree with the majority vote, work within the system to effect change instead of lashing out against a group of people who our founding fathers felt would have the collective wisdom to arrive at at solutions.
Actually the majority of voters voted yes at 10,995 votes - 63% compared to no 6,546 votes or 37%. Measure G failed to get a super majority at 2/3 + 1. Hardly a "No On G" landslide.
There are over 60K residents in Pleasanton. 1/6th of Pleasantonians voted Yes on G. With the stats on the side of the special election supporters, as outlined by the consulting firm that PUSD hired, it was theirs to win...and they lost.
This has nothing to do with a "majority".
You lost this time and you will lose again if you choose to thumb your nose at this riled community and put another parcel tax on the ballot. Put the money towards the programs that are needed and not another losing special election, teacher raises, or admin perks.
You will lose by a wider margin if you seek to put this on the ballot again. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, you might get slapped.
There are 40k to 45k registered voters in Pleasanton. Over 25% of those said Yes on G. 63% of those who voted said Yes on G. PUSD did not hire a consultation firm. They were volunteers who, in turn, did not hire a consultation form. Volunteers who got $60K in private citizens' donations for the cause of campaigning for the success of Measure G. Volunteers who got 63% of the vote. Personally, I'm grateful for their efforts.
That's typically how the democratic process works in this country whether Democrat or Republican. Raise money and then campaign. If you've successfully raised money, it can be assumed you have a cause worth fighting for. I grant you, this anonymous PW blog-based opposition was a novel twist.
"Don't bite the hand that feeds you, you might get slapped."
And you guys accuse pro parcel tax posters of being emotional, angry and accusatory?
I don't care how you try to slice it, 63% > 37%. That's called a majority. Just not a super majority.
I'll quote your own Mike:
"Please, if you disagree with the majority vote, work within the system to effect change instead of lashing out against a group of people who our founding fathers felt would have the collective wisdom to arrive at at solutions."
Still waiting wrote: "If you've successfully raised money, it can be assumed you have a cause worth fighting for."
Is this a joke?
PUSD has a consulting firm under contract.
Measure G lost, get over it. The economic fundamentals and PUSD Board attitudes that contributed to the loss aren't changing anytime soon. More 'novel twists' (that don't cost the opposition any money) are lining up for parcel tax 2. Bring it on...keep wasting your time and money.
The KKK successfully raises money to operate. That must be a cause worth fighting for!
"The KKK successfully raises money to operate. That must be a cause worth fighting for!"
Fair point - LOL. My context was this debate.
GUESS WHO ELSE IS MOVING TO PLEASANTON! Good choice....yup, very good choice!
WORD HAS IT THAT THE "NO ON G" CROWD IS NOW GOING AFTER BENEFITS FOR SENIOR CITIZENS. THEY WILL BE TYING DEFEAT OF THE FORTHCOMING PARCEL MEASURE TO A CUT IN SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE BENEFITS. THEY ARE TRYING TO GET THE MONEY FROM SENIOR CITIZENS AND PEOPLE WHO NEED IT THE MOST. IT IS TIME TO PUT A STOP TO IT NOW. THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO WANT TO CUT MEDICARE PRESCRIPTION DRUG BENEFITS, AND DON'T THINK THEY WON'T COME AFTER YOUR CHECK. YOU WORKED FOR THAT MONEY AND EARNED IT FAIR AND SQUARE.
"You lost this time and you will lose again if you choose to thumb your nose at this riled community and put another parcel tax on the ballot. "
San Ramon passed theirs the second time, and Pleasanton likely will too.
"Bring it on" -- You're not quoting George Bush are you?
Rick, welcome back. Don't get discouraged by the nay-sayers. If Pleasanton, and other local communities were so bad, then why are people still moving here?
Good, bad... it's all part of living in ANY community.
And for people like Stacy, what does a reference to KKK have to do with this issue? Sad. Using your logic then I would have to say that people of color have no right to vote, after all, whites kept them from voting for decades and "That must be a cause worth fighting for!"
Geesh, dublinmike. Even "still waiting" got the punchline.
@"Don't give up"
No, what good would that do?
Pleasanton is still a great place to live, regardless of the outcome of Measure G.
I agree with others who have stated your anger is misdirected. However, in addition to addressing issues you may have with the fiscal management of the District, I would also ask folks like Kris Weaver and those associated with the Amador Boosters about their use of funds. Seems like "prioritization" is an issue that many affiliated with our schools need to address. Let's see -- new stadium sound system or teachers...gee....guess who won?
"Let's see -- new stadium sound system or teachers...gee....guess who won?"
I would remind folks that school finance is notorious for restricted funds called categorical funds. The sound system might have been paid for by grant or state program that would have been illegal to use those restricted funds for anything other than facilities improvements. It's only due to this state budget crisis that the GOP and Governor successfully removed these kinds of restrictions for what they feel are certain non-essential programs. That's what were seeing at the school board meetings now - an evaluation of categorical programs, like GATE, to see if they should be killed for their money to be used in other educational areas.
It's the old question:"Why are teachers being laid off when that gym is still being built?" Answer: state categorical funding
Yes, I think you were stupid to move back to Pleasanton. Look at the post from Miriam London. If you don't appreciate what Pleasanton brings to your life, maybe Oakland or Richmond or maybe El Paso Texas would be a better fit for you. Please send us a postcard. I'd love to hear about the weather in Tulsa.
Pleasanton! Love it or leave it!
As I understand, the money for the new sound system was raised by the Booters club. It wasn't tied to any categorical funding requirements. Another Gatetree Resident will know more details on that.
The Amador Boosters is a club specifically for supporting athletics. Money from dues and fundraisers are earmarked for specific *athletic department* goals, for example:
*Assistant Coaches - Boosters fund stipends for many asst coaches not paid by the school district.
*Athletic Trainers who provide first aid and assistance to athletes at practices and games.
*Lower Costs for equipment, uniforms and transportation through Boosters Club Fund Raisers.
*Current Completed Special Projects: Softball fence, soccer goals, large gym sound system, starting blocks, new scoreboard, pop-up tents, golf cart, batting cage improvements, wrestling mats.
Those of us who support the boosters know where our money is going. Measure G was opposed by many because you did not know where the money was going. This example given is not a matter of a sound system being more important than a teacher. It's an example of the money going where it was intended!
Other fundraising groups could take a few lessons from the Amador Boosters who have run very successful fundraising campaigns and programs for years.
They not only provide funds for projects, but also provide student scholarships for those who are unable to pay athletic participation fees and for graduating seniors.
My kid doesn't participate in any sports, but I still give the Amador Boosters a donation each year because they do support Amador and its students and they are very clear on how their funds are used.
Stacey is correct in her statement. Boosters did raise the money that upgraded the sound system in the stadium.
However, Julie may also be correct in stating Measure G was opposed by many because of lack of clarity regarding where the money was going. Perhaps "many" did view it that way but I personally did not vote for Measure G purely because of how the stadium sound upgrade was handled.
While some may rationalize the two as not being connected, I can not separate the two. If sound systems are more important than teachers, textbooks, and classroom sizes, then any measure of this type will never gain my support.
Contributors to Boosters can "suggest" their funds be channeled differently. They choose to do otherwise. That alone speaks to the priorities within our community and yes, the OP should feel foolish.
I'm sorry I disagree with your reasoning, AGR. In your example the PUSD was not deciding to upgrade stadium sound over, for example, maintaining CSR. I do not see the two as being connected. People voluntarily contribute to the boosters specifically for the athletic department. So you think it fell to a single athletics club to save the PUSD school budget? Are you saying that people who donate to the "Arts" in some form are bad people because they should be donating to more important causes, like, hunger? I think we should be allowed to donate to what we want. I can't speak for all boosters members, but I think most of us expected our elected officials to be fiscally responsible. The boosters club fund athletic projects that the regular budget doesn't cover. I have greatly appreciated the fund for extra coaches, trainer (she's amazing), uniforms, etc. and will continue to support it. I will also donate funds to other causes I find important (like elementary strings). So it sounds like you consider teachers, textbooks, etc important and yet...are you doing anything to support those things? What have you *chosen* to do?
You are free to disagree with me. Nor did I ever state "it fell to a single athletics club to save the PUSD school budget." Nor did I say those who donate are "bad people." I simply believe there are more important things on the table that benefit the students than a stadium sound system. Such as Teachers. Yet, if that's how those that have "chosen" to give feel their funds should be spent in light of hard times, so be it. However, thinking like that will never gain my support for anything that looks like, or smells like, Measure G.
As for what I have chosen to do -- there have been several items important to the District (and Amador specifically) where I have donated a fair amount of personal time to the benefit of the students. That is how I *choose* to support and give.
Not everything can be answered through giving of money.
I don't see the need to have a gossip session. Lots of BIG TALK
.how many of you VOLUNTEER in the schools ??? Find out in person
why class size makes a diff?????
Too busy talking or spending $$$ on yourself?
AGR, you are right - there are other ways of giving besides money. I applaud you for volunteering your time. I remember a few years back when I *couldn't* donate money, but I was in one child's class 1x/week and in the other one's almost daily! It was actually more rewarding than writing a check :)
Is it really true that "No on parcel tax" people want to end medicare and social security benefits for seniors? I thought the other poster was kidding, but now it keeps coming up in random conversations. Seniors depend on these benefits, and would be harmed by cuts. Maybe they're just speaking philosophically.
@ Another Gatetree Resident:
Good to have you back. What happened to your other name (Raven)?
Julie -- Giving of time often has far greater rewards than the giving of money. Thanks for the response! :)
resident -- I've never posted under Raven. You are mistaken.
"Is it really true that "No on parcel tax" people want to end medicare and social security benefits for seniors?"
Is this a serious question?
Yes it is serious. I've heard it from two people now. They're trying to cut prescription drug benefits and raise the retirement age. It is some of the same people. They're saying it is not about seniors, it is about fiscal discipline. It was two of the exact same people that were at the no on G booth at the tea party.
I'm not sure overhearing two people discussing something in a booth on the street really means it's true . . . now, if you'd overheard two people talking about it at Blockbuster, well, then I'd know it's true!
Rae, LOL...but only if they were Muslim, right?
So true, Julie!! :o)
I think this thread has definitely run (overrun?) its course!
In short, with an attitude like yours yes.
You asked, I answered.
Let me know if you need moving boxes. I think I have some stored in the garage...I'm staying.
It keeps coming up again and again. The people who opposed measure G also want medicare and social security money to be invested in risky stock market scheme or eliminated entirely. Voting no on measure G did put your retirement at risk. I am told by people who are certainly in the know that when the next measure comes up, the threat to your retirement savings is real.
Vote yes on the next parcel tax. Stand up to those who want to take away your retirement savings.
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