Posted by KC, a resident of the Rosewood neighborhood, on Jun 15, 2009 at 8:48 am
I am glad they found these plants. Could you imagine if this continued on? it could become like a cartell or something and these people would grow more and more and then we could be living in more danger than we need to. if these guys have guns, whats to say that a couple of hikers stumbled upon them by accident and the guys shot them? we need to keep this under control a bit. i know we cant get rid of all of the pot growers but let them go somewhere else to grow it!
Thank you police officers! BTW,"unknown", they have switched to eating bagels now!
Posted by Mr. Buzzkill, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jun 15, 2009 at 9:10 am
...& they say our tough clay soil makes for difficult growing conditions, Ha! Hey Guys (growers) I'm having a hell of a time with my tomatoe crop & new roses, any chance you can come over & give me some "pointers?"
Posted by George Feller, a resident of the Castlewood neighborhood, on Jun 15, 2009 at 10:25 am
On the one hand we want more money for our schools and on the other we throw away a bushel of money from hard working entrepreneurs. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't use drugs, but I wouldn't mind using some of the money these guys make LEGALLY and give it to the schools. Besides, those that do use marijuana would then have access to doctors to ensure they are taken care of properly.
Posted by anonomous in SMC, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Jun 15, 2009 at 6:27 pm
The cartel imports from Mexico (banned in U.S.) pestisides, and these unscrupulose growers also purposefully kill deer (they don't want thier profit eaten by the critters), and they in advertantly leave a biological hazard for other wildlife critters like squirles and they upset the natural habitat and foul and devert creeks, we don't need this enterprise, they are all over California, look, the sho a D of Fish in Game warden in both knees up in Mount Mumrum, in Santa Cruz County in 2005, go google the activity the cartle actvity statewide, they are doubling the ammount of pot that is confiscated each year by the hard working erradication teams, teach your children to say no to pot!. anonomous in San Mateo County
Posted by Sally Janes, a member of the Hart Middle School community, on Jun 16, 2009 at 6:48 am
A lot of you misunderstand the fact that IF marijuana were taxed, the South American drug lords or kids with semi-automatic rifles wouldn’t run it. When alcohol was illegal, criminals ran it. Once you legalize it, companies become mainstream taxpayers. Try to wrap your minds around "silly mistakes" we've made in creating laws. Sometimes they backfire. The regulation against marijuana is one of them.
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Jun 16, 2009 at 9:40 am Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
I agree, a lot of misunderstanding. Gangs don't "run" legal drug operations, they game them by diverting exports back to the local market and thereby avoid paying the tax on the goods but pocket that tax instead. Look up the term "gray markets".
Posted by Sally Janes, a member of the Hart Middle School community, on Jun 16, 2009 at 10:01 am
According to your logic every product that is legal has a gray market and there are insidious spies lurking on every corner backstabbing each other to sell Pampers, Jell-O and Rago Spaghetti Sauce. We surely must live in a very raucous society. OR, maybe you should look up the definition of "Common Sense". My husband is a VP of marketing at a very important company, and he will verify that marketing products in a good way only bring about good results.
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Jun 16, 2009 at 11:27 am Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Huh? I wasn't talking about every product that is legal. I'm talking about DRUGS that are legal because of people's addictions and the practice of "sin taxes" on these DRUGS that cause prices to be high. How did you make the leap to Jell-O? Does Jell-O cost more than it should because of a sin tax? Are people driven to buy high-priced Jell-O because of their addiction to it? Are there gangs selling high-priced Jell-O and pocketing the tax money?
"Book Review: Gray Markets: Prevention, Detection and Litigation, by David R. Sugden"
"A distributor may legally buy a product at a reduced or wholesale price, and then resell it at a higher price, often in a different market. If the resale value undercuts the brand’s official price point in a given market, the distributor will earn a profit, and the brand will presumably lose a sale. For example, Omega manufactured and sold watches to authorized distributors overseas. Those watches eventually made their way to Costco, who sold them in California. While Omega authorized the original transaction, it did not authorize the importation of the watches into the United States, nor the sales made by Costco. This portion of the book also provides the reader with information on other consequences of the gray market, SUCH AS LOSS OF TAX REVENUE FOR STATES."
"Stiff Tobacco Taxes Inspire Flourishing Black Market in Cigarettes"
"In California, a black and gray market in tobacco products already was costing the state an estimated $50 million when voters approved Proposition 10, an initiative that more than doubled the tobacco tax rates."
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Jun 16, 2009 at 11:36 am Stacey is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
"The Board of Equalization's Maciel and Williams say the state's losses are approaching $150 million a year, and could be higher. That is more than 12 percent of the $1.2 billion in tobacco taxes California collected in the last full fiscal year, 1999-2000."
Now, what do you think will happen with a tax on marijuana?
"The high profit margins achieved through selling counterfeits and gray market products make this a very attractive business for organized crime. The damage that these perpetrators do to manufacturers’ brands and revenues cannot be understated. Nor can the associated job loss."
Posted by Sally Janes, a member of the Hart Middle School community, on Jun 16, 2009 at 12:06 pm
“Sin-Tax”! What in the world is a sin-tax? Don’t get me wrong, when people steal goods from a legal market and resell them, that is called THEFT. In theft, there is no cost of goods or any expense related to the legal operation of trade. Theft is common in all goods. Sin Tax on the other hand seems to be a little arcane. World to Stacey, you can come in for a landing. Sin Tax was abolished with the appeal of 18th Amendment of the United States Constitution. BTW, if you have time look up “US Constitution” when you get a chance.
Posted by frank, a resident of the Pleasanton Heights neighborhood, on Jun 17, 2009 at 9:24 pm
"According to your logic every product that is legal has a gray market and there are insidious spies lurking on every corner backstabbing each other to sell Pampers, Jell-O and Rago Spaghetti Sauce. We surely must live in a very raucous society. OR, maybe you should look up the definition of "Common Sense". My husband is a VP of marketing at a very important company, and he will verify that marketing products in a good way only bring about good results. "
I think Stacey and her cited references blew away any response that Sally might provide. The gray market and counterfeit market on high priced items and highly taxed items is worth billions and billions and billions of dollars.... The latter market related to counterfeit tax stamps, etc. is not gray, but purely illegal.
I personally know Dennis Maciel at the BOE and am involved business-wise in cigarette tax collections technology developed to defeat the criminals. Some titillating tid-bits to add are that industry insiders have information that strongly suggests that the cigarette giants like Phillip Morse aid and abet the illegal trade, both internationally and nationally. Nationally, for every cigarette sold and consumed that is outside the tax collection system avoids their concomitant payment in the Master Settlement Agreement mandated by Law. We're talking really big money here. They not only sell their product at profit but avoid MSA payments, which avoid huge sums that would be owed to the States.
Posted by Anonymous, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Jun 21, 2009 at 11:48 pm
Now I know why I was feeling creeped out the last time I was on Calaveras road. I was descending Calaveras on my bike and had just reached the part where the roads flattens out as I saw a black dual-cab pickup behaving strangely. As I headed towards the reservoir I noticed that the truck had at least 3 young-ish looking guys in it who were driving extremely slowly and looking out the windows, stopping every 100-200 yards or so. At times they were driving right down the middle of the road instead of staying in their lane. It was was still light out, but within an hour to hour and a half of when it would start to get dark. I thought the whole thing was really weird because that part of Calaveras has nothing on it, so it's not like they were looking for house numbers or anything. Now with what the police have reported, I wouldn't be surprised if those people in the truck were up to no good...
Needless to say I felt uncomfortable enough with the behavior of the people in the truck and the way they were handling it that I decided to ditch my workout and fly like a bat out of you-know-where back to my car.