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Sheriff's deputies raid marijuana camp gardens near Sunol

Original post made on Jun 14, 2009

Alameda County sheriff's deputies found more than 22,000 marijuana plants this week at the biggest outdoor growing operation the sheriff's office has ever encountered, a sergeant said Saturday.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Sunday, June 14, 2009, 8:21 AM

Comments (28)

Posted by Mike, a resident of Highland Oaks
on Jun 14, 2009 at 1:53 pm

With the economy itself going to pot, it seems a shame to stifle productive enterprise. Tax these two, work out a fair rent/lease rate for the land, and wish them luck.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Jun 14, 2009 at 3:07 pm

Was Aaron busted?


Posted by unknown, a resident of Amador Estates
on Jun 15, 2009 at 8:15 am

what a joke i agree with Mike go back to eating more doughnuts .


Posted by sj, a resident of Birdland
on Jun 15, 2009 at 8:20 am

They should legalize it and tax it..Billions of dollars can be made off of it.


Posted by KC, a resident of Rosewood
on Jun 15, 2009 at 8:48 am

I am glad they found these plants. Could you imagine if this continued on? it could become like a cartell or something and these people would grow more and more and then we could be living in more danger than we need to. if these guys have guns, whats to say that a couple of hikers stumbled upon them by accident and the guys shot them? we need to keep this under control a bit. i know we cant get rid of all of the pot growers but let them go somewhere else to grow it!

Thank you police officers! BTW,"unknown", they have switched to eating bagels now!


Posted by john, a resident of Donlon Elementary School
on Jun 15, 2009 at 8:59 am

more worried about the traps than getting shot.


Posted by Mr. Buzzkill, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 15, 2009 at 9:10 am

...& they say our tough clay soil makes for difficult growing conditions, Ha! Hey Guys (growers) I'm having a hell of a time with my tomatoe crop & new roses, any chance you can come over & give me some "pointers?"


Posted by mooseturd, a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Jun 15, 2009 at 9:19 am

Let's see now. 22,000 times 3,000 = $66,000,000. What a shame to waste it.


Posted by legalize marijuana, a resident of Downtown
on Jun 15, 2009 at 10:11 am

wow what a waste!


Posted by George Feller, a resident of Castlewood
on Jun 15, 2009 at 10:25 am

On the one hand we want more money for our schools and on the other we throw away a bushel of money from hard working entrepreneurs. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't use drugs, but I wouldn't mind using some of the money these guys make LEGALLY and give it to the schools. Besides, those that do use marijuana would then have access to doctors to ensure they are taken care of properly.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Jun 15, 2009 at 10:34 am

I think that pot should be legalized & heavily taxed. Billions of tax dollars are waiting...what are we waiting for? The cows to come home?


Posted by anonomous in SMC, a resident of Danville
on Jun 15, 2009 at 6:27 pm

The cartel imports from Mexico (banned in U.S.) pestisides, and these unscrupulose growers also purposefully kill deer (they don't want thier profit eaten by the critters), and they in advertantly leave a biological hazard for other wildlife critters like squirles and they upset the natural habitat and foul and devert creeks, we don't need this enterprise, they are all over California, look, the sho a D of Fish in Game warden in both knees up in Mount Mumrum, in Santa Cruz County in 2005, go google the activity the cartle actvity statewide, they are doubling the ammount of pot that is confiscated each year by the hard working erradication teams, teach your children to say no to pot!. anonomous in San Mateo County


Posted by anonomous in SMC, a resident of Danville
on Jun 15, 2009 at 7:17 pm

Correction: Referance


Posted by anonomous in SMC, a resident of Danville
on Jun 15, 2009 at 7:25 pm

Correction: Referance Google Man killed in Pot raid, warden wounded, Mount Umumhum, Santa Cruz County, 2005


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jun 15, 2009 at 7:30 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

1- All you need to ruin your day is to go hiking in the local parks and come upon some nervous teenage jerk wielding a semi-automatic. And the tax revenue from this is supposed to be worth it?
2- Speaking of taxes, these gangs make a good amount of money by not paying taxes on current legal drugs. What makes anyone think they'd not avoid paying the tax on marijuana?


Posted by Sally Janes, a resident of Hart Middle School
on Jun 16, 2009 at 6:48 am

A lot of you misunderstand the fact that IF marijuana were taxed, the South American drug lords or kids with semi-automatic rifles wouldn't run it. When alcohol was illegal, criminals ran it. Once you legalize it, companies become mainstream taxpayers. Try to wrap your minds around "silly mistakes" we've made in creating laws. Sometimes they backfire. The regulation against marijuana is one of them.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jun 16, 2009 at 9:40 am

Stacey is a registered user.

I agree, a lot of misunderstanding. Gangs don't "run" legal drug operations, they game them by diverting exports back to the local market and thereby avoid paying the tax on the goods but pocket that tax instead. Look up the term "gray markets".


Posted by Sally Janes, a resident of Hart Middle School
on Jun 16, 2009 at 10:01 am

Stacey

According to your logic every product that is legal has a gray market and there are insidious spies lurking on every corner backstabbing each other to sell Pampers, Jell-O and Rago Spaghetti Sauce. We surely must live in a very raucous society. OR, maybe you should look up the definition of "Common Sense". My husband is a VP of marketing at a very important company, and he will verify that marketing products in a good way only bring about good results.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jun 16, 2009 at 11:27 am

Stacey is a registered user.

Huh? I wasn't talking about every product that is legal. I'm talking about DRUGS that are legal because of people's addictions and the practice of "sin taxes" on these DRUGS that cause prices to be high. How did you make the leap to Jell-O? Does Jell-O cost more than it should because of a sin tax? Are people driven to buy high-priced Jell-O because of their addiction to it? Are there gangs selling high-priced Jell-O and pocketing the tax money?

Did you go look up gray markets?


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jun 16, 2009 at 11:30 am

Stacey is a registered user.

Web Link

"Book Review: Gray Markets: Prevention, Detection and Litigation, by David R. Sugden"

"A distributor may legally buy a product at a reduced or wholesale price, and then resell it at a higher price, often in a different market. If the resale value undercuts the brand's official price point in a given market, the distributor will earn a profit, and the brand will presumably lose a sale. For example, Omega manufactured and sold watches to authorized distributors overseas. Those watches eventually made their way to Costco, who sold them in California. While Omega authorized the original transaction, it did not authorize the importation of the watches into the United States, nor the sales made by Costco. This portion of the book also provides the reader with information on other consequences of the gray market, SUCH AS LOSS OF TAX REVENUE FOR STATES."


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jun 16, 2009 at 11:32 am

Stacey is a registered user.

Web Link

"IP Annual Meeting Trademark Counterfeiting and Gray Market Goods"

"New York City specifically presents a challenge to fight against anticounterfeiting,
as it is estimated that NYC's Gross City Product accounts
for 8% of all U.S. counterfeiting on a value-added basis – double the 4%
national average. Id.
a. New York State and New York City lost a combined total of
approximately $2.6 billion in tax revenue in 2003 as a result of the
sale of counterfeit goods. Id.
b. NYC's net fiscal loss - $1.03 billion in lost tax revenue.
i. Unpaid sales taxes ($380 million)
ii. Unpaid business taxes on production and sale of counterfeit
goods ($290 million)
iii. Unpaid personal income taxes ($360 million)
iv. Indirect losses to the city economy and revenue. Id.
c. "The resulting revenue loss to the City of New York deprives City
residents of critical services – such as education – and
opportunities to fund salaries for additional police and fire
personnel. The counterfeit goods trade also presents significant
safety risks to the residents of our City." Id."


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jun 16, 2009 at 11:35 am

Stacey is a registered user.

Web Link

"Stiff Tobacco Taxes Inspire Flourishing Black Market in Cigarettes"

"In California, a black and gray market in tobacco products already was costing the state an estimated $50 million when voters approved Proposition 10, an initiative that more than doubled the tobacco tax rates."


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jun 16, 2009 at 11:36 am

Stacey is a registered user.

"The Board of Equalization's Maciel and Williams say the state's losses are approaching $150 million a year, and could be higher. That is more than 12 percent of the $1.2 billion in tobacco taxes California collected in the last full fiscal year, 1999-2000."


Now, what do you think will happen with a tax on marijuana?


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jun 16, 2009 at 11:42 am

Stacey is a registered user.

Web Link

"Luxury Goods Industry Challenges"
"The high profit margins achieved through selling counterfeits and gray market products make this a very attractive business for organized crime. The damage that these perpetrators do to manufacturers' brands and revenues cannot be understated. Nor can the associated job loss."


Posted by Sally Janes, a resident of Hart Middle School
on Jun 16, 2009 at 12:06 pm

Stacey,

"Sin-Tax"! What in the world is a sin-tax? Don't get me wrong, when people steal goods from a legal market and resell them, that is called THEFT. In theft, there is no cost of goods or any expense related to the legal operation of trade. Theft is common in all goods. Sin Tax on the other hand seems to be a little arcane. World to Stacey, you can come in for a landing. Sin Tax was abolished with the appeal of 18th Amendment of the United States Constitution. BTW, if you have time look up "US Constitution" when you get a chance.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jun 16, 2009 at 6:03 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

I dunno, Sally. All I can do is drop my jaw and shake my head in disbelief after a response like that.


Posted by frank, a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Jun 17, 2009 at 9:24 pm

"According to your logic every product that is legal has a gray market and there are insidious spies lurking on every corner backstabbing each other to sell Pampers, Jell-O and Rago Spaghetti Sauce. We surely must live in a very raucous society. OR, maybe you should look up the definition of "Common Sense". My husband is a VP of marketing at a very important company, and he will verify that marketing products in a good way only bring about good results. "

I think Stacey and her cited references blew away any response that Sally might provide. The gray market and counterfeit market on high priced items and highly taxed items is worth billions and billions and billions of dollars.... The latter market related to counterfeit tax stamps, etc. is not gray, but purely illegal.

I personally know Dennis Maciel at the BOE and am involved business-wise in cigarette tax collections technology developed to defeat the criminals. Some titillating tid-bits to add are that industry insiders have information that strongly suggests that the cigarette giants like Phillip Morse aid and abet the illegal trade, both internationally and nationally. Nationally, for every cigarette sold and consumed that is outside the tax collection system avoids their concomitant payment in the Master Settlement Agreement mandated by Law. We're talking really big money here. They not only sell their product at profit but avoid MSA payments, which avoid huge sums that would be owed to the States.


Posted by Anonymous, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jun 21, 2009 at 11:48 pm


Now I know why I was feeling creeped out the last time I was on Calaveras road. I was descending Calaveras on my bike and had just reached the part where the roads flattens out as I saw a black dual-cab pickup behaving strangely. As I headed towards the reservoir I noticed that the truck had at least 3 young-ish looking guys in it who were driving extremely slowly and looking out the windows, stopping every 100-200 yards or so. At times they were driving right down the middle of the road instead of staying in their lane. It was was still light out, but within an hour to hour and a half of when it would start to get dark. I thought the whole thing was really weird because that part of Calaveras has nothing on it, so it's not like they were looking for house numbers or anything. Now with what the police have reported, I wouldn't be surprised if those people in the truck were up to no good...

Needless to say I felt uncomfortable enough with the behavior of the people in the truck and the way they were handling it that I decided to ditch my workout and fly like a bat out of you-know-where back to my car.



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