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by John, Country Fair,
on May 19, 2009
You sure are new. The Shop lifters and muggers have been licking their chops for months. Don't believe me? then just lokk at the Bayfair Mall in San Leandro.
BART's website says it's supposed to open sometime this year:
What discussion if any has taken place regarding safety, shoplifting, robbery, and the like? Are there any additional security involved here? Sure seems to me like we are just inviting crime to come to our cities. What is the Pleasanton city councils position on this? oh and thank you for the information.
Our town does have a very low crime rate so we shouldn't be panicked but definitely informed and vigilant to protect against and control crime.
I was curious and did a check of police records and news reports on the broader issue of non-residents coming into Pleasanton and committing crimes.
This is what I found:
The following pertains to the very serious crime categories of homicides, sexual assaults, aggravated assaults, robberies, burglaries, larcenies/thefts, motor vehicle thefts and arson.
80% of the arrested suspects for these violent and/or property crimes were non-residents
81% of the arrested suspects for these violent and/or property crimes were non-residents
87% of the arrested suspects for these violent and/or property crimes were non-residents
62% of the arrested suspects for these violent and/or property crimes were non-residents
76% of the arrested suspects for these violent and/or property crimes were non-residents
Here are just some of the samples from the Pleasanton Weekly:
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Some more examples from the Pleasanton Weekly:
I have heard that there is a lot of discussion (doesn't necessarily translate into action) re: increased crime at the mall and surrounding areas. I think it's a legit concern since it's WALKING distance to many businesses in Pton/Dublin. I don't think it's a trade off to safety, but I'm sure the cities are looking more at revenue and alleviating commute traffic. I'm glad I'm on the other side of town and frequent mom and pop stores downtown like you all, right?
Wow so not ony will the percent go up but the number of crimes will go up as well. Is this really worth putting in the station
The station is going in. It's a done deal. Lot's of us knew this would be a problem. Livermore should have gotten a station. They have paid into the system from the very beginning, back in the early 1960s, if I'm not mistaken. Expect BIG increases in crime at Stoneridge Mall and the homes around Foothill High.
Maybe the Bart Police will help patrol the Stoneridge parking lot and the surrounding are. Now just how scary would that be-a Bart cop with a loaded gun and another incident in the making.
Law inforcement will be a major issue -- it already is, since I'm sure you have all heard about the increase in auto break-ins.
Mutual aid, I respectfully disagree with you. My take on the January 1 BART station death is that it was a terrible tragedy. The second tragedy has been the attempt to convict the former officer before he had a trial.
The BART shooting was only a single strange event and we need to get additional security going to protect ourselves and our loved ones.
Barf, ya a terrible tragedy due to carelessness and lack of professional training. We don't need half trained arrogant "law enforcement" in Pleasanton.
Are you referring to the one BART officer in this one tragic incident or are you speaking of the entire BART police department?
A BART station at Stoneridge Mall was planned many years ago. Then I think it went through a period of years of questioning whether to put a station there, partly because the existing station is only a mile or so away. Many Pleasanton residents also opposed the Mall station for fear that it would attract non-residents to the Mall who would create crime problems. I think that extending the BART line to Livermore would have served a lot more people in positive ways. I am not sure what the rationale was/is for putting two stations in Pleasanton a mile or two apart rather than using that money to extend some other aspect of service. I don't think the Mall station was ever popular with Pleasanton residents or Mall leadership.
Here are several reasons this station was put in:
1st, strong lobbying from special interests to build a mixed use corridor in Dublin retail/small business/condos/rental housing. Based on current economic conditions, this build out won't come anytime soon.
2nd, and here's the big one the cost to extend BART, on a per mile basis is now estimated to be well over $250,000,000 (million) per mile, thanks to the contractual obligation that requires union work every step of the way (Google "BART extension cost per mile").
The Pleasanton BART station is now very many years old. Can anyone cite any factual references that associate non-residents who committed crimes in Pleasanton and used BART to get here?
Don't these criminals drive here on the freeways and escape on the same freeways on which they came!
What criminal is going to use BART as his/her/their escape means? You mean they don't have cars? Escaping in a car is not better than walking or taking a bus to BART to get away?
Everytime this Dublin BART station comes up people go gaaa-gaaa over crime perpetrators using it as their transportation means, and yet most reports that I have read over the years are always people in cars being observed as the perps.
It cannot make sense to anyone to put one BART station one mile from another where it is not needed and not extend it to Livermore where it is needed? Can it? If it costs $250,000,000 to lay one mile of track using union labor then we need to put it out to competitive bid to reduce cost. That is ridiculous. Violent crime will probably not pick up unless it is an affect of something such as shoplifting but I suspect that shoplifting, car theft, breaking and entering will go up significantly.
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