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PUSD Teachers, I apologize

Original post made by So Sorry on May 19, 2009

This is really directed at teachers in general, but I have to tailor this to PUSD teaching staff.

We have created a disaster as a civic community for you.

We have voted for every special interest group and their projects to change what is expected in education, but then we deny the funding and expect you to figure it out. I for one, am sorry.

We ask you to teach our children, but then ask you to take your ever changing State curriculum and "differentiate" it to all the different groups within your classrooms: These groups include Special Education children (speech only, to severely impaired where staff is expected to push into your classroom and disrupt the teaching) and are usually 10% of a school population, ESL kids, and gifted, not to mention 504-plan kids that have "issues" like ADHD, or behavior problems. You have to handle all of this IN your classroom as we deny less and less children the opportunity to leave the classroom for services they need.

You are expected to do all of this because we took away funding for these groups, or voted for help for them, but then won't fund the programs. You are stuck between a state and local administration of standards and the classroom reality that the voters give you. You have more and more expected of you by the governments, which is all well-intended, but then not funded. Parents, particularly those in Pleasanton, are demanding of educational excellence, but we rarely want to let you live like the rest of us.

I am not a teacher. I am a parent, and I am in a private industry. But I want you to know that I have seen all you contend with and have a great deal of respect for you and whether or not you make concessions to the voters in this town, you still are our teachers and you still have a lot to worry about if Measure G doesn't pass.

If my child needed surgery, I wouldn't want my child's doctor to even have to worry about whether or not my check would bounce and if they would be paid for their service to me. I would want them confident when performing the procedure that I would support them and appreciate their work by honoring my commitment to pay them.

I want you to know the same. I want you to have confidence in this community's support for you. If the managment or a union messed up over there with managing the budget, then so did we as the community by not watching them closer. We didn't do our job, but you have done yours and judging by the API scores from 2008 reported in February, you ALL have done yours exceedingly and you deserve a BONUS. Even in this economy, I can make a little more cuts to my family to encourage you in your life to continue to work as hard as you do.

Thank you for all you do and I am so sorry we are making life so difficult for you when you serve us so brilliantly every day.

Comments (55)

Posted by Sounds true to me, a resident of Fairlands Elementary School
on May 19, 2009 at 1:58 pm

Isn't this the truth!

You can argue the budget is a mess; you can argue the past mistakes of this district's administration; you can argue the union leader's and the far reaching hand of the CTA, but you cannot argue that the teachers in this town have done their job. They have earned their paychecks.

Every school stayed or improved their API scores in 2008. If they drop in 2009, it is because our kids are feeling the consequences of the grown ups in this community arguing over things that are not important.

Where are the ones that don't support G in explaining what they plan to do if G fails? What then? Do we continue to remove resources from our kids?

CSR seems to be the lynch pin in a lot of these arguments, and while studies may/may not show a direct correlation in the classroom, I for one cannot imagine having to deal with 30 children and all of their needs as they are just learning to read and write. How can you put that much stress on a teacher and expect them to maintain the API scores and acheivement levels?

How much stress have teachers had to deal with when we decided on the sink or swim second language policy? We couldn't leave it there; we had to require all certificated teachers to get a CLAD at their own expense! A 55+ year old PE teacher I know had to get the CLAD. We don't do ourselves by way of our children any favors by frustrating the teachers and putting too many unrealistic expectations on them.

To the No on G supporters...judging by the performance of our children alone, isn't the improved API scores in this community alone worth the further investment?


Posted by Einstein, a resident of Mohr Elementary School
on May 19, 2009 at 2:03 pm

Einstein is a registered user.

Are you 2 for real? Pretty hard to respond to what you have written. I mean the state of California economically is a disgrace and you are talking about more funding. All I can say is Wow!


Posted by Sounds true to me, a resident of Fairlands Elementary School
on May 19, 2009 at 2:15 pm

Einstein,

Yes, CA is in a mess - I couldn't agree more. But, we still have a bright spot in our community and that's our district and it's performance.

Do you understand how important achievement is? Do you understand if we shoot ourselves in the foot and don't provide for our schools you cannot expect acheivement of our children to maintain also?

You cannot tell me that even in these economic times, when people are doing well at their jobs, they are not getting SOMETHING? A friend of mine works for a non-profit and to say the least they are struggling with lack of funding. She is doing a rockin' job and her boss wanted to do "something" for her, so in lieu of a raise, he gave her an additional week of vacation. It IS happening everywhere - including private business. There are those that are working their tales to get their businesses successful and profitable again and they will receive some sort of credit.

The teachers in this community have done what we have asked: continually increased the kid's achievement in standardized testing, etc. Why can't we give them a flippin' 64 cents/day?

I bet if API dropped last year, you'd be using those stats to justify voting No. At least be consistent.


Posted by Goofy, a resident of Birdland
on May 19, 2009 at 2:16 pm

This is goofy propaganda. Not worthy of a response.


Posted by Disagree with Einstein, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 19, 2009 at 2:19 pm

If you had kids, Einstein, and you could currently live in Hayward or Pleasanton, which would you choose and why?

Probably Pleasanton for safety. Then pay for the cops and fire dept.

If you could live in Livermore or Pleasanton, which would you choose and why?

Probably Pleasanton for the schools. Then pay for the teachers.

You can always move and give your home to someone who is willing to pay for the parcel tax just to get into our district for their kids.

So typical of someone who already has "theirs" and could care less about taking care of it.


Posted by Crazy, a resident of Country Fair
on May 19, 2009 at 2:20 pm

Goofy,

I agree with you this is some crazy, detached from reality stuff up above. They should be happy they have jobs.


Posted by Disagree with Einstein, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 19, 2009 at 2:22 pm

Goofy/Crazy

How far are you willing to let the district drop to? What exactly is it that you are willing to see go? Let's at least be honest about what we do and do not care about.

Can either of you be that honest?


Posted by Sparky, a resident of Castlewood
on May 19, 2009 at 2:24 pm

Goofy and Crazy,

You notice how similar Sounds true to me, Disagree with Einstein, and So Sorry write. Could it be the same person and a teacher on break? Hmmmmmmmm maybe yes.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on May 19, 2009 at 2:28 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Sounds true to me wrote: "Where are the ones that don't support G in explaining what they plan to do if G fails? What then? "

Isn't it government's responsibility to make the plans? If they have no plans then that's pretty bad! Get rid of them now. If all they offer are token solutions intended to allow them to continue status quo spending, also get rid of them. It doesn't matter the outcome of today's or June 2nd's election. The fundamental problem of decreased revenue generation in the private sector will still remain.

So sorry wrote: "We have voted for every special interest group and their projects to change what is expected in education, but then we deny the funding and expect you to figure it out. I for one, am sorry."

Does anyone else see the irony in this statement considering that the CTA is one of the largest special interest groups whose projects we have voted for? I, for one, am not a big fan of initiatives. They were originally intended to give citizens a way to limit special interest groups' influence in California politics and yet these same groups now use that system and game it to their own advantage.


Posted by So Sorry, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 19, 2009 at 2:31 pm

I didn't intend on asking for a pro/con G fest here with my post - I guess I can appreciate your need to vent, however. Perhaps take it to another thread. I just wanted to convey to the teachers that they are doing a super job, especially here in Pleasanton and I, for one, see and appreciate what they have done at the schools my three children attend. My children are very well educated because of the teaching staff in PUSD. And no, I am not a teacher on a break and I don't know the other posters.


Posted by Sound true to me, a resident of Fairlands Elementary School
on May 19, 2009 at 2:37 pm

To Stacey:

You can't have it both ways.

If you want limited government and limited funding, then you have to have more oversight by citizens.

If the citizens can't be bothered, then you need more government for oversight and you have to pay for it.

Pick a side...


Posted by Bob, a resident of Downtown
on May 19, 2009 at 2:48 pm

To be fair to all I had four children graduate from the Pleasanton school system and to be honest some of the teachers were good, some average, and some terrible. More good and average than terrible but the teachers were out there. I felt and feel that the teachers were about the same capability as they were when my oldest went to Mission San Jose in Fremont but what made the difference was the engagement level of the parents and the expectations they have for their children. Teachers are to eager to take credit for the successes and it is not about money as the reason I hear for going into teaching is the satisfaction it gives one to teach otherwise they would go into the private sector and take their chances.


Posted by Sounds true to me, a resident of Fairlands Elementary School
on May 19, 2009 at 2:57 pm

Bob, I think you are right, but I also think that overall we must have excellent teachers AND excellent families. API scores are one measure of that. College acceptance and performance is another. It is like a three legged stool: Without everyone doing their parts, the stool can't stand up (the state/district, the parents, and the kids themselves).

Congratulations on having and raising four children - I have a LOT of respect for you.

I just think the OP pointed out the difficulties of a job where everything can be changed by a vote (do we remember "whole language" reading in the 1970's experiment?). I don't know many professions where the circumstances keep changing, and are subject to every election cycle, but the expectations remain the same.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on May 19, 2009 at 2:59 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Sounds true to me,

You need good citizen oversight no matter the size of government!


Posted by Sounds true to me, a resident of Fairlands Elementary School
on May 19, 2009 at 3:02 pm

Stacey:

Then you need to edit your statement: "Isn't it government's responsibility to make the plans?"


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on May 19, 2009 at 3:17 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Sounds true to me,

No editing needed. We elect representatives to make decisions for us. It's their responsibility. That statement isn't mutually exclusive with needing citizen oversight. The free press are the traditional watchdogs and it was never their responsibility to make alternate plans. I really don't understand why you're assuming that citizen oversight requires the creation of alternate plans.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on May 19, 2009 at 3:18 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Oh, I want to add that WE elect representatives to represent US, the greater citizenry, not the public sector unions and other special interest groups.


Posted by Sounds true to me, a resident of Fairlands Elementary School
on May 19, 2009 at 4:17 pm

As far as I understand the experiment of representative government, we inform our elected officials of our interests and they represent them in government. That goes for local, state and federal. We "monitor" them with our votes regarding how accurately they represent us - with a free press as one tool. As a community changes, so might the representation. This is "oversight" and this starts with citizens. We too often trust that that the elected officials go to the office and know our will when they may not. Too many elected officials use platforms to get elected and then go rogue pursuing their own interests. At any point we can intercept this through initiatives and special elections (remember Gray Davis?). I think it is irresponsible to trust anyone in public office. I think we need to "trust" and verify.

But all of this need apply to Pleasanton. I just don't think that the teachers should be punished when they have exceedingly done their job and those in "charge" of over sight have not.


Posted by In The End, a resident of Country Fair
on May 19, 2009 at 6:30 pm

Stacey,

Under your logic once someone is voted into office they should not be lobbied in any form as they are elected to make decisions and the voters stop playing a part once election day is over.

This is not the design of our system. In the United States WE are sovereign, not our government. For all the talk of accountability in government very few of us are willing to take on the responsibility ourselves. We are government and government is not some detached third party. I'm a no on G vote, but for goodness sake people realize that if Sacramento fails WE MUST ACCEPT THE RESULTS.

Everyone is avoiding the real issue here. NOBODY KNOWS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT YEAR. NOBODY. ALL GUESSES & CONJECTURES!

G will likely fail.
The measures today will go down in flames.

And soon we will see what the effects are. I think this is a good thing for the community and we can call the PUSD's bluff.

If the test scores hold up, if college acceptance rates are steady, if school morale and attitude are consistently strong even with layoffs and lack of programs then we know that all the chat about the need for a parcel tax was a bunch of malarkey.

If scores sharply drop, if college acceptance rates fall and morale and attitude significantly decline then discussions will likely open up.

I'm putting my money where my mouth is. Im no on G, but Im not going to whine when my 9th grader cant take an elective or needs particular special ed services. I made the decision and if it comes back negative I know I did it. Of course I want you all to realize that you are a glutenous district, but I am open to being wrong.







By the way there is a MASSIVE debate about who our elected officials geographically represent, those who elected them in the district or the entire nation or the entire state.


Posted by John, a resident of Del Prado
on May 19, 2009 at 7:15 pm

The world will go on and not stop nor will the scores drop if the teachers do not get their raise. They will not quit in droves because they are lining up behind them for jobs. Our teachers are no better nor no worse than the teachers in Dublin, Livermore, San Ramon, or Fremont. Let's just get over it and move forward.


Posted by Tina, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 19, 2009 at 8:48 pm

I believe you meant 'gluttonous'.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on May 19, 2009 at 9:11 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

In the End wrote: "Under your logic once someone is voted into office they should not be lobbied in any form as they are elected to make decisions and the voters stop playing a part once election day is over."

Not entirely sure how you came to that conclusion. Are you referring to my statement about representing the greater citizenry instead of special interest groups and interpreting this to mean that there should be no lobbying? How do you reconcile that with my earlier statements about the need for citizen oversight no matter the size of government?


Posted by Aaron, a resident of Birdland
on May 19, 2009 at 9:16 pm

"If scores sharply drop, if college acceptance rates fall and morale and attitude significantly decline then discussions will likely open up."

Great. I think you're losing sight of the fact that behind those test scores and college acceptance rates are real kids who will be lacking skills & opportunity. Personally, I'm not willing to play russian roulette with kids' educational opportunities.

"I'm putting my money where my mouth is."

I think a more apt statement is that you're putting your money... in your wallet.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Del Prado
on May 19, 2009 at 9:32 pm

Aaron,

I hope you put a lot of wallets in as I have cast all 6 votes from my home as a big fat NO on G


Posted by Russell, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on May 19, 2009 at 9:46 pm

"Our teachers are no better nor no worse than the teachers in Dublin, Livermore, San Ramon, or Fremont. Let's just get over it and move forward."

Any kind of evidence for that? Just feel like saying it?


Posted by Paul, a resident of Dublin
on May 19, 2009 at 10:02 pm

Russell,

Do you ever say anything intelligent? You must think our teachers were all recruited out of the ivy league..........give me a break as they all came out of the same schools. We have good, average, and poor just like any other city.


Posted by Russell, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on May 19, 2009 at 10:18 pm

I know, I know it is not the teachers, its the students and parents. Those crazy parents paying more for homes in San Ramon or Pleasanton thinking the schools are better are just fools. You could just put a donkey in the classroom instead of a teacher, and it wouldn't make any difference. It is all about the students. Sure.

And what's so special about Ivy League colleges? Their professors are no better or worse than any junior college or diploma mill. They have good, average, and bad just like any other college. I'll have to think about that one.


Posted by lisa, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 19, 2009 at 10:52 pm

Thank-you, Bob!
Really...the level of parent involvement is the greatest factor in a child's failure or success in school. Pleasanton teachers are among the highest paid in CA. They could take a pay freeze to help if they care and are so dedicated....ha...never happen...because they like too many kids they teach, have an overwhelming sense of entitlement...
Yes , there are exceptions....but they are rare.
The teachers here work no harder than teachers anywhere. This is an affluent community, with parent involvement...give me a break....There are no miracles here.


Posted by Lucky Guy, a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on May 20, 2009 at 6:49 am

I have put two kids through the District and we had some great, average and terrible teachers. Those in the "trenches" made the difference. Aministrators were and are "teets on a boar". Even so, I never thought PUSD was that great among good school districts. Teaching to State Test Scores is not a mark of success, it is what kids truly learn in a well rounded way that counts. The best thing I have ever thought the school district did is/was pat themselves on the back or pound their chests and talk about how great they are. They are not in my opinion. There are some individual programs and teachers who have brought credit to Pleasanton and the district.

A "rubber stamp" school board more often than not has failed to dig and ask hard questions. Haven't had a Board member get after the Staff since Cindy McGovern was there and, on occasion, made them squirm and work harder . Julie Testa does that to Casey and he gets in a snit. "Spun" Staff Reports by an inferior School District Superintendent and Staff has caused this "circle the drain" environment. Throwing money at anything without community involvement or parent involvement never succeeds. It is like throwing money only at your kid without love and time. It leads to failure. I had hopes for this school board but those hopes have faded. casey has go to them. Some need to move on and get off the board, some need to work harder for solutions. Maybe Casey needs to read Iacoca's book on Chrysler because PUSD is turning into a Desoto.


Posted by Ken in South Pleasanton, a resident of Downtown
on May 20, 2009 at 9:12 am

Reply to So Sorry and Sounds True To Me:

If you two keep voting for the same people on city and state ballots, then you both SHOULD be apologizing. I feel no need to personally apologize for the mess our elected officials have created and that includes school board members. I'm tired of this politically correct c**p that has permeated our society that says we should all apologize for everything that bad that has occurred to everyone everywhere (the most visible proponent of this is our current President who apologizes on our behalf to every foreign leader in the world except Israel).

Good teachers are to be lauded for their creativity and ability to challenge students with critical thinking and decision making. Mediocre teachers should team with these good teachers to enhance their skills and become good teachers. Thank God for both good and mediocre teachers who have the students' need to learn foremost in their daily curricula. Bad teachers...those who are just taking up space and care more about benefits, unions, and furthering their own one-sided agendas should be removed from their positions and shown the door to another career...the same as would happen if they performed poorly in the private sector.


Posted by Alee, a resident of Highland Oaks
on May 20, 2009 at 10:25 am

It is true, Pleasanton has many good teachers. However there are many not-so-good teachers here too. My daughter has had two sub-par teachers in four years.

Do you know what I would REALLY like? To stop making apologies and give my a refund each year for all of the thousands of dollars that are taken from me in education tax revenue. I would then like to use this money to send my children to a school of my choice. President Obama has that choice, why shouldn't I?


Posted by Einstein, a resident of Mohr Elementary School
on May 20, 2009 at 10:55 am

Einstein is a registered user.

I also believe in the system and that is the system of choice. We keep electing these people to positions with to much responsibility for their capability level and it should be just like business either they do they job or they go out. Our school system suffers from complacency and needs to be changed. I would like to see us given the amount of money which is spent per child annually on education in this state and let us make the choice of where to send them. I guarantee that if eveyone were sending their children to say jane doe high it would create fiece competition for students and the best teachers. I would be pay for performance and the best teachers would move the highest paying school and then we would have something ideal....free market and will and as said above their is a reason Obama's children have never gone to a public school in either Chicago nor Washington DC. While we are at it Obama never went to a public school himself.


Posted by Bruce, a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on May 20, 2009 at 11:16 am

I'm sorry to keep coming back to the real issues here. Yes we have a good school system, but it is the parents that make it so. You can tell by all the enthusiasm and caring put into the yes on G peoples comments. But what is really happening is that the teachers donate millions of dollars each year to the jerks in Sacramento who reward the teachers for that money by passing CRS to give more jobs to more teachers who will donate more money to the jerks in Sacramento. Then the teachers and administration want us to replenish the money that the jerks robbed from the schools in order to buy more votes for more political contributions. If the teachers and administration want more money for the schools, why don't they go to the politians they own and ask for it. Don't ask me to pay twice. The system is flawed and only restricting the money to politicians will fix it. I believe that a politician who takes money from a lobby should not be allowed to vote on any issue that the lobby is pushing. It is a conflict of interest. In most societies, that is called a bribe and you go to jail for participating. That is the only fix. Think about it.


Posted by Privatize, a resident of another community
on May 20, 2009 at 12:19 pm

@Alee

What you want is vouchers.

Web Link

Public schools will whither on the vine.


Posted by D W, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 20, 2009 at 12:32 pm

To all who wonderfully blogged,

Should all 2009 measures fall short and we're already taking on the special interest groups, shall we also confront all talk media pundits who spew the hate disguised as 'entertainment' and 'brilliant communication' that clearly influence the lack of decisive action needed at all government levels in the state to resolve all of our economic, educational, and health care messes?

It's one thing to encourage free speech, it's another to leave it unchecked with no transparency or accountability. The irresponsible rhetoric we hear every day definitely goes hand-in-hand with the pressure to take action that most of our political leaders can't face. If there is an idea that has strong factual evidence and support and we want our leaders to pass it into law or we want to put a vote to make it law, then please find out who the opposition would be and how powerful they would be to stop a great solution because of their own self-interests. It's the people with huge listener or viewing backing who oppose for the sake of attention and with no true purpose that have hurt not just us as people but our community's economy and credibility.

Sadly, opposing words - legitimate or not - carry more weight than we'll ever believe. Let us verbally police ourselves better. You never know who can or will pull the biggest strings.


Posted by Michael, a resident of Livermore
on May 20, 2009 at 12:39 pm

Yes it would appear that shows with a political leaning with no reference to facts like The View, Bill Maher, The Colbert Report, all tend to push us away what made us great as a country.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on May 20, 2009 at 12:42 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Uh, isn't the Colbert Report comedy?


Posted by Get out of the wagon, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 20, 2009 at 1:09 pm

Stacey -

Yes, and so is The View, Bill Maher, and most cable news MSNBC, etc.

I tend to like Fox for the Fox Report (who recently swapped the impeccable Brit Hume after he retired) and other true news based sources. The rest are simply commentators using news to spring board their opinions.

All the local news outlets do it too (why is Gary Radnich on KRON 4 giving political opinions?? Isn't he thier Sports reporter??).

When comedians suddenly get to go on a "talk" show about news, we should be a little more discerning about the information the offer...


Posted by Coal Bear, a resident of Country Fair
on May 20, 2009 at 2:01 pm

When people look to comedy for news, then the problem is with them, "Get out the wagon," not the show.

I'd like to suggest this to FoxNews fans: if somehow all other American media outlets are in some huge conspiracy against the Republican Party and Fox is the lone, true voice of reason in US media, why do international news sources like the BBC and Reuters align with the "leftist American media?" Is it just possible that Fox is one that's skewed? Remotely??


Posted by Get out of the wagon, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 20, 2009 at 2:21 pm

Hmmm - good intellectual reasoning Coal Bear...using the BBC as a legitimate compass is like asking Al Gore wht the weather is like outside...

Unfortuneately for you, ratings usally explain more...and Fox hammers the ratings home every day, crushing AND exceeding all the others COMBINED. I guess we Americans are ALL idiots. Just you Coal Bear know what's up.

In 41 minutes FOX Report will be on. Watch and tell me you have not been informed on issues from both sides.

The only thing skewed here is your stream of consciousness.


Posted by Alee, a resident of Highland Oaks
on May 20, 2009 at 2:23 pm

Yes, Privatize. I would like vouchers. The part that most teachers don't understand is that the highly evaluated teachers would be paid MORE than they are now. Competition is always in the best interest for everyone. A vote for Measure G is a vote for preservation of the status quo as far as I am concerned. No on the PUSD bailout. NO on Measure G.


Posted by Mark, a resident of Bonde Ranch
on May 20, 2009 at 2:29 pm

Coal Bear,

Just came back from Canada and up there watched BBC, CNN, Global, CTV, MSNBC, CNBC et al and the one thing they had in common was dislike of america. My viewpoint from watching is that they are against anything which is not super liberal or disimiliar to what they are. The reason why people are tuning to Fox in droves is because there is no place else to get the facts without a bunch of bull. The ones listed above have lost all objectivity and that is why their ratings are off. People want the truth and the facts.


Posted by Oh how the wind blows, a resident of Downtown
on May 20, 2009 at 2:42 pm

Coal Bear, BBC and Reuters ARE leftist, socialist sounding posts. They naturally align with kindered spirits- CNN / MSNBS/ ABC / CBS / ABC. Don't leave out PBS/NPR and don't forget the absolute take-over of our institutions of "higher" learning. Virtually every college and university in the U.S. leans left, many lean far left.


Posted by Pleasanton citizen, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 20, 2009 at 6:00 pm

Coal Bear, good point. Having been to Europe several times, they do enjoy a wider supply of media than we do here in the States. You mentioned BBC but they have more than that, and that's just Britain. All across Europe they have TV and newspapers that span from the left to the right and all in-between, but we poor saps only have left wing media, for the most part. The problem IS us, we need more variety!


Posted by Get out of the wagon, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 20, 2009 at 7:26 pm

Pleasanton Citizen:

You are right! Why didn't I see that?!!

I know...let's start with Al Jezeera!! I hear they are fair minded and well balanced.

Oops, wrong again! My bad.


Posted by Coal Bear, a resident of Country Fair
on May 20, 2009 at 7:52 pm

Hmmm...so what I'm hearing is that just about EVERYONE is to the left except Fox. Well, if everyone is there, wouldn't it be the middle and Fox the far right?

As to other countries not liking us, well...we've messed up their economies and insulted most of them recently. Oh well, you know what they say: if everyone against you, everyone must be completely wrong.


Posted by Get out of the wagon, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 20, 2009 at 9:22 pm

No, actually, I didn't know "they" said that. Is that what "they" say in your head, Coal Bear? There are people that can help you with that sort of thing...

And tell "them" that it is just you and them that are alone. All in good company I guess.


Posted by Coal Bear, a resident of Country Fair
on May 20, 2009 at 10:30 pm

Wait,was that it? That didn't even make sense. "It is just you and them that are alone?" Yikes...


Posted by Get out of the wagon, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 20, 2009 at 10:37 pm

Come on, Coal Bear...

If you really try...AND you focus and concentrate, I am confident even you can figure this out!!

I'm rootin' for ya!

Go, Coal Bear, go!


Posted by Coal Bear, a resident of Country Fair
on May 20, 2009 at 10:43 pm

So...no response to "global liberal media conspiracy" theory, then? I find that's often the case with Fox News fans--they're told what to think, but not why, so are never prepared to respond thoughtfully to a serious debate.

Fox News: We decide, you repeat!


Posted by Get out of the wagon, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 20, 2009 at 11:42 pm

Wow, Coal Bear. Said with such conviction. Almost like you believe it. You almost had me!

By the way, just a writing tip...when you use quotation marks, it is customary to quote EXACTLY what was previously said. Where exactly did you write "global liberal media conspiracy"?

I do not believe in a "global liberal media conspiracy". There is no conspiracy - it is too obvious. Let me explain basic math to you...

When the majority of journalists, reporters, editors, etc are LIBERAL and you ADD corporations that benefit from government policies that are LIBERAL, then you get a big fat noise that isn't balanced (no, not just you...).

When left unchallenged, you get wing-nuts, I'll exclude you, who think they can tell us whatever they want. I'll leave you to research Jeffrey Immelt yourself.

Now may I ask you a question? Pretty please???

Why so hostile towards Fox News? Issues with your values system, or lack thereof that they get to you? Ah-hah! That explains it.

Good luck with that coronary your setting yourself up for...


Posted by Coal Bear, a resident of Country Fair
on May 21, 2009 at 8:09 am

Thanks for the writing tip. Quotation marks are also used when introducing a phrase or term for the first time. I'll leave you to research punctuation yourself.

A good question about Fox: why am I so hostile? Primarily because if freedom of speech and of the press are to benefit the average American, we need objective reporting. True, Fox sometimes does a good job of this, but they often blur the line with between-story editorializating during news segments, having anchors like Brit Hume spew right-wing propaganda on Sundays, and by supporting Bill O'Reilly at all. Do you really believe that it's coincidence that their news staff is so white, by the way? Journalism is important, but unlike Bill Maher and Stephen Colbert, Fox pretends it is something it isn't: unbiased reporting. And sadly, there are a number of people who are misled by it. Maybe their teachers never went over rhetoric and logical fallacies, maybe they don't do so well separating fact from opinion, maybe they just like the rancor and it makes them feel better to be told that Americans are better than anyone else, no matter what damage we do to the rule of law and human rights. I really couldn't say. What is it you enjoy about their coverage?

By the way, that was what's called a response. Note that to support my ideas, I didn't have to resort to saying you hear voices in your head or that you're going to have a heart attack.

Now you try. Oh, and telling me to look things up doesn't count--all it says is that you haven't.


Posted by Mark, a resident of Bonde Ranch
on May 21, 2009 at 8:39 am

Fox is probably the closest thing we have to just reporting the news and being factual. Perfect? no but far closer than the others and reports things which are revelant and important or should be important to all of us. Iran launches a missle and Fox is all over it and I flip to CNN and they are talking about Obama's dogs. Fox talks about the increase in violence in Iraq and Afganistan and MSNBC is busy attacking George Bush. Fox is reporting about Pelosi's lying about the CIA and CNBC is discussing redoing the BCS tournament.


Posted by WSJ, a resident of Amador Valley High School
on May 21, 2009 at 12:11 pm

The Wall Street Journal is better than any of those. Does anyone else still read it?


Posted by Mark, a resident of Bonde Ranch
on May 21, 2009 at 12:17 pm

WSJ,

yes I read WSJ and also now watch Fox. The two combined give a nice pic of what is really going on?


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