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Pleasanton Stands Out in the News

Original post made by Melissa, Another Pleasanton neighborhood, on May 9, 2009

Last night on the CBS channel 5 news, they showed a news segment about Pleasanton Real Estate and how hot the market is here, even in this economy. Check it out:

Web Link

Interesting side note: listen to why they say buyers are moving here...

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Posted by janis
a resident of Southeast Pleasanton
on May 9, 2009 at 5:13 pm

VOTE NO ON G


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Posted by For Reals
a resident of Val Vista
on May 9, 2009 at 5:51 pm

Ya, real hot market! Thats why the house down the street which sold for 810,000.00 14 months ago is now pending sale for 680,000.00. Big whoop, I guess we can thank the schools for that.


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Posted by Why bother
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 9, 2009 at 6:17 pm

Don't you all know that "Melissa" is a real estate agent ? I don't know why she/he bothers to post-probably cheaper than paying for ad space.


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Posted by Russell
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on May 9, 2009 at 9:28 pm

Look at price per square foot declines in the surrounding areas. We're doing a lot better. Try plugging in both Pleasanton zip codes into the sfgate and normalize for home size. We haven't seen near the declines other towns have.

So many people came here in the last ten years for the schools, I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that it hasn't had an impact on home prices. Does really think the quality of Pleasanton schools is not a significant factor for the average home buying looking to buy here?


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on May 9, 2009 at 10:18 pm

Russell, So losing $200,000 in 14 months isn't a serious decline? People are coming here because they can still get a screaming a-- deal on a house in a great little community that also happens to have good schools. It's a great bonus, but not the driving factor, particularly if you are trying to make a leap from a potentially less desirable community.


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Posted by Joe
a resident of Downtown
on May 10, 2009 at 10:31 am

So Melissa is a realtor and then that must make Russell a teacher because no matter what the subject of the post he always seems to turn it into how great the schools are. And everytime Russell posts Kathleen is right there to smack him (or her) down. Russell, Kathleen has you on the ropes, wise up.


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Posted by Foolish
a resident of Foxborough Estates
on May 10, 2009 at 10:36 am

Anyone who dosen't believe in today's market that the school system isn't the #1 purchase factor is foolish. If you watched the linked news story it is the API rating that people look at which has stayed consistent even in the "down" market. Absolutely values have gone down, but compared to the relative market only a small percentage by comparison. PTown residents should feel blessed in this regard.


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Posted by Russell
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on May 10, 2009 at 10:57 am

Kathleen,

A 20% decline from the peak here vs. 25%, 30%, 40%, 50%, and even greater in other communities makes Pleasanton look awfully good to me. It is easy to plug the numbers in at sfgate. For the entire East Bay, the two Pleasanton zip codes are doing the best.

On top of that, there is plenty of anecdotal evidence the schools are an important factor. For instance, I moved here for the schools. Plenty of my sons' classmates moved here for the schools. You're not really doubting that, are you?


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Posted by Joe
a resident of Downtown
on May 10, 2009 at 10:59 am

Opinion and myth. Show me a survey with numbers that wasn't done by real estate interests or the chamber of commerce and you might convince me otherwise. School are only a part of the equation...remember @60% of the families living here do not have children in the schools...they are not #1


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Posted by Joe
a resident of Downtown
on May 10, 2009 at 11:06 am

"anecdotal evidence"...is still just an opinion. The burden of proof rests with you, since you are the one promoting what many of us percieve to be a myth. You moved her for the schools and so did you son's classmates, well I didn't and neither did my family or my friends. You're not really doubting that are you ?


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Posted by Russell
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on May 10, 2009 at 11:10 am

@Joe

" that must make Russell a teacher "

I was a teaching assistant in graduate school and graded papers. That is the extent of my teaching career.


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Posted by Russell
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on May 10, 2009 at 11:12 am

@Joe

Your logic is flawed. That fact that some people didn't move here for the schools doesn't lower demand. The fact that some people did move here for schools does raise demand.

QED


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on May 10, 2009 at 11:29 am

Schools are a part of the mix for house hunters and probably high on the list for buyers, but I don't think it comes before affordability or proximity to jobs or even low crime rates. Otherwise, many of us would have chosen Piedmont or communities on the peninsula or any town where schools are better than Pleasanton's. That's not a shot at Pleasanton . . . we chose to live here twice . . . or the schools, which leads you back to the question of why student test schools are high.

Neither test scores nor why people live where they do is so simple a question that you can say "it is this one thing, _____, that made me move here" or "we have top schools because of _____."


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Posted by Joe
a resident of Downtown
on May 10, 2009 at 11:35 am

My logic is flawed ? You are the one who initiated the "logic" ? of "anecdotal evidence", I just threw it back at you from the other side.


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Posted by Just passing by
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 10, 2009 at 11:53 am

It sounds like you are arguing religion. Russell has faith and he believes what he believes without proof, and others don't because they demand proof.


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Posted by Carl
a resident of Country Fair
on May 10, 2009 at 12:09 pm

According to trulia.com Web Link

- year over year sales is down 55% in the Feb-Apr period.
- median sales price is down 5.3%

Look at the 9 year sales trends on the link above. Compared to the last 8 years, looks like a sales freefall to me.

What do you think?

Let's get some real sales facts on the table, and not a one-off anecdotal report where a news reporter talks to one real estate agent.


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Posted by Mom of 4
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on May 10, 2009 at 1:50 pm

I think this is the wrong argument.
I believe that good schools play a large role in the strength of our real estate values but I DO NOT support measure G. PUSD's budget is broken and this parcel tax will not fix it. With the money coming from the fed we have time to work on identifying and fixing the real problems.
Not passing this parcel tax will not damage our schools but not fixing the real problems will have a devastating affect on the district and our community.

No one G!!!


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Posted by Look Beyond...
a resident of Parkside
on May 10, 2009 at 2:35 pm

Those who think they know the profession of those posting here - I can assure you - you are wrong.

In addition, too many are trying to pigeon hole every comment posted in order to further their own agenda.

Fine....but this was not a video posted by Yes on G, No on G or any other "lobbiest".

This is a GOOD news story! Yes, home prices have fallen. Mine sure has. That's not the point brought up by this new channel.

The NEWS...and yes it is good news, is that perhaps the home buying habits are changing. Spme people that live outside the Pleasanton area now find themselves in a postion to move to Pleasanton...and are WILLING to pay more than the asking price the buyer has placed on their home, in ORDER TO LIVE HERE. The news reporter is telling each of us that School matters in the overall home buying decision. What part of that is hard to understand? Makes sense to me that a person buying a home would want to be in a good school district..right? Of course.

For those that wish to continue the discussion about schools not having an impact (positive or negative) to home prices.... I just don't know what to say.

Do people move to Pleasanton for the schools - YES, they do. Do they move here for the Community spirit, the downtown, the quality of life, etc etc ..YES, they do.

A buyer puts a lot of thought into their purchase of a home these days...always have. One factor IS the schools. It is one factor...and for many, it is the deciding factor.

It may not have been for you...but it was for me...and certainly is for many buyers.

Be Glad that is true. Everyone should be very happy that our community is seen as having an abudance of factors that cause a person to want to live here.

Embrace all of them - they do make a difference, and as we all hope the economy turns around - it is good to know that Pleasanton may be a little out front on the factors used to make those buying decisions. Schools matter according to the news report.

This is a GREAT place to live......for Many reasons.





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Posted by Carl
a resident of Country Fair
on May 10, 2009 at 2:54 pm

Look Beyond -

Maybe this wasn't posted by a "Yes on G" supporter, we won't know until the anonymous poster identifies themselves.

Why then, did Save Pleasanton Schools just send an e-mail blast today to it's supporters with a link to this video?

What misleading and false message are the Pro-ParcelTax leaders trying to send?

Can any real estate firm show the data that homes are going for 20% over the asking price? That Pleasanton properties have multiple bids on them?


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Posted by jay
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 10, 2009 at 3:18 pm

While I believe that schools is one of the main attractions to Pleasanton, just spending more on the schools through a parcel tax does not make it better.

Pleasanton was an attractive city before classroom size reduction so one could argue that eliminating classroom size reduction would not affect the attractiveness. It might but people were moving here, because of the schools, before we had it.

I believe many posters have identified ways the district can be more efficient with our existing tax money. If we make better use of the money we have and do not have a parcel tax, that gives Pleasanton a leg up. Great education and you do not have to pay an additional tax for it. That is a selling point to purchasing a house in Pleasanton. Many people on this blog have identified structural problems. If we use the federal money, we do not need a parcel tax and it buys us time to fix some of the structural issues now. If we just give the district more money through a parcel tax, we have not fixed any of the problems, so they will continue with us, requiring us to renew the tax every time it expires or we will then have to layoff teachers because we will be dependent on the parcel tax for our core programs. I would rather see a parcel tax that pays for an extra program instead of paying an extra tax and we do not gain anything. At this point I don't know what additional program I would want to be taxed for but I keep an open mind. That would be an honest election as you can concretely identify what the tax money would go for. The current election is a list of potential things it could be used for, and we know that most of it (15 out of 18 million) will go to raises anyway.


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Posted by Look Beyond...,
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 10, 2009 at 3:33 pm

Carl,

It may very well be a supporter of Measure G. The point was that it was not Measure G supporters that created the video or put words in the mouth of the reporter.

This was a CBS news video.

Let's be real here. If the news had reported that there was no correlation to homes and schools, don't you think someone from the No on G side would have posted up? Of course they would. They would post it up here, and send e mails also. So, it would not surprise me that anyone would take the opportunity to post about something positive going on in town - and certainly if that un-solicited report was going to support a view you held.

You may not agree, but there is no doubt in my mind that home buyers want to be in a quality school district with higher test scores. Would anyone think that most would not?


I am not saying this is the end-all-to-beat-all reason…but that it is a factor in the buying experience. I speak from my own experience. I have asked my neighbors this very question and every single one of them said that the quality schools here WERE, in fact, in their top 3 reasons for moving here.

Ask around…you may find some too.



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Posted by granny
a resident of Bonde Ranch
on May 10, 2009 at 4:33 pm

CBS just reported that Measure G passed. "78% yes" This blog are the only no's according to CBS news. How much are we to believe? Write to Sacramento!!!!!!!!!!! That is our only hope.


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Posted by huh
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 10, 2009 at 5:26 pm

granny, we have not had the election yet for Measure G.


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Posted by fact checker
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 10, 2009 at 5:32 pm

Check your hearing! Measure C passed in San Ramon. It was their school parcel tax and it passed with 78%! Certainly a forward looking community interested in retaining the quality of their schools.


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Posted by just the facts
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 10, 2009 at 5:42 pm

San Ramon needs this parcel tax just to have the same dollars per student that Pleasanton receives. Pleasanton receives so much more state money than San Ramon, almost $700 per student. So San Ramon's parcel tax puts them at the same funding as Pleasanton.


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Posted by Carl
a resident of Country Fair
on May 10, 2009 at 5:57 pm

Save Pleasanton Schools (Yes on Parcel Tax) posted this misleading 'news' video on their website.

A realtor I spoke with said that the real estate facts mentioned in the report are not substantiated.

An examination of real estate transactions in the last 3 months yields an entirely different picture.

More details on the way.......

I suggest SPS take this down as soon as possible.

I suggest SPS send out an e-mail to all their supporters apologizing for sending out misleading and unfactual information.


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Posted by just the facts
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 10, 2009 at 6:24 pm

SPS take it down? That would only be done in a community of character. Oh wait, I forgot we are supposed to be a community of character. I think the school district should just give up on this community of character thing. If the district and their worker-bees of the parcel tax cannot live by the community of character, how can you expect our kids to listen to them?

Compassion - Being kind to others: got to remove this trait (personally attacking a person who disagrees shows no compassion)
Self-discipline - Practicing self-control: got to remove this trait
Honesty - Telling the truth, being trustworthy: got to remove this trait
Respect - Being considerate, honoring the feelings of others: got to remove this trait
Integrity - Having the courage to to the right thing: got to remove this trait


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Posted by Look Beyond
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 10, 2009 at 6:25 pm

Carl,

You are right....

It is a conspiracy. Watch the sky for black helicopters…..Place tin foil on your head……Measure G supporters are now in control of the local media – and looking to go national next.

I honestly can't stop laughing….my stomach hurts.


I guess those of us that did consider the school system in Pleasanton as a factor in our buying decision are all Measure G zombies.

Holy cow. Measure G did not even exist when we bought our homes. They must really have had an amazing "advance team".


God save us…………………. LOL LOL LOL


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Posted by You're right Carl
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 10, 2009 at 6:40 pm

...my personal favorite anti-G post was the person who said that there wasn't a formal anti-G group, website, signage etc. because it would make them (or their children) the targets of harassment.

Can't have a yard sign, a pro-G person will harass your child, ruin your credit, and date your sister!

Seriously, this is a pretty strong accusation over something that hasn't happened. I'm struggling to find one case of harassment over a yard sign.


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Posted by Fairlands Resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 10, 2009 at 7:07 pm

All some of the Yes on G people can do is name call or try to make fun of the No on G folk - haven't seen any real facts come from the Yes side on this thread, just a lot of attempted bullying.
There's no reason now to even consider the parcel tax that's on the June 2nd ballot. I'm glad we don't need a parcel tax and would think everyone else would be glad too.
For anyone to keep pushing for an unnecessary parcel tax is proving what was posted earlier - the people who are pushing for the parcel tax are more interested in winning than they are in doing what is best for the community.
Cholo said it earlier and I agree - Measure G - down in flames.


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Posted by Carl
a resident of Country Fair
on May 10, 2009 at 7:18 pm

Look Beyond -

Thanks for the laughs! Black helicopters? Nah...I'll stick to the facts.


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Posted by the way it is
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 10, 2009 at 8:20 pm

>just a lot of attempted bullying

I call BS on this one, FR. Show us one example of "attempted bullying." Has someone gone after you personally over your political beliefs? Your kids? What's the scoop?

FR, there are plenty of facts supporting the pro-side. The primary one is that the state inflicted mid-year budget cuts, affecting every district in the state. It's down to fundamentals. If you think the schools in Pleasanton are good, and if you think that has SOMETHING to do with the PUSD's staff and administrators, then give them the tools they need to mediate the damage done by the Legislature.

Alternatively, if you think that PUSD's response to a statewide crisis is lacking, or if sufficient cuts elsewhere in the budget can be reasonably made, or if staff are making too much $$$ and need a pay cut/freeze/furlough/take your pick, then make a different decision.

Me, I think that it's a mistake to believe that all can be made well (and even save CSR) by going after cell phones, car allowances, etc. Staff will tolerate balancing the budget on their salaries in the near term, longer term this is is likely a mistake. Again, my opinion, but it's down to fundamentals.



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Posted by Look Beyond
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 10, 2009 at 9:55 pm

Carl,

This will be my last comment to you on this thread. It is just ridiculous to argue that NO ONE has bought a home in Pleasanton - using the school system as a factor in the decision. Even Kathleen R. and Stacey would not agree to that....would they? ;-)

You are against G. Fine. Just for giggles, I will go ahead and vote Yes. There....we are no longer relevant. So, you can go about your normal business now, and so will I.

I think you are so angered about taxes...any taxes, and therefore everything you do and say on here is 'colored' with that in mind. Fine. But p-l-e-a-s-e don't tell me that the school system did not play a role in my purchase or those of every single neighbor I have spoken too.

I am sure that the realtor you spoke too, that says it doesn't matter is doing a great job in selling homes around here. What realtor would not mention schools in their bid for a sale? Come on....You have got to be joking.

I can hear it now. "Hey, dont even think about the test scores in Pleasanton. Just buy because it is a great place to live. Who cares about the schools" There you go, making me laugh my tail off again.

You seriously know NO ONE that moved to this city because of good schools?

If you are serious and you say "Yep - it's all a lie. No one would buy here because of schools"....then, as stated before: God Save Us.


Remember - I said am done with this thread, so don't expect another response. It's all yours.

uh oh.....Look up - the black helicopters are circling.



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Posted by Fairlands
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 10, 2009 at 10:05 pm

TWII
If you read up on bullying, you will find it includes the following behaviors:
-saying hurtful and unpleasant things
-making fun of others
-telling lies
-spreading false rumors
-trying to get others to dislike another person

The individuals who are against the parcel tax and have posted on these blogs with their own names have experienced these behaviors. Remember the poster who wrongly stated that Kathleen had been fired from PUSD? That was information put out to try to discredit her because the poster didn't agree with Kathleen - or maybe disliked Kathleen's ability to provide facts. Even those posters who don't use their real names get abuse, or do you think being called anti-child, anti-teacher and anti-community are compliments? What about being called morons?

There has been plenty of factual information provided on these threads about the tools PUSD had to avoid being in a situation where they had to react with panic.

ARRA funding will give PUSD the time to do real work on their budget and make long term plans. That is something to celebrate.

Sorry you don't see it that way. Your own post is exactly why so many No on G people choose to stay anonymous. Hectoring people is not the same thing as having a discussion.

Stacey ----do you think the poster meant to use ameliorate rather than
mediate?








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Posted by Carolyn
a resident of Vineyard Hills
on May 10, 2009 at 10:14 pm

THe only reason we bought in Pleasanton 1.5 years ago is because of the "good" schools. If not for the well-rounded schools, we would have stayed in San Francisco or moved to Berkeley. We didn't want to have to struggle with whether or not to do private schools. We are highly educated people and believe strongly in education. I have since joined the Pleasanton Mother's Club. 90% of the people I meet who have moved here in recent years did so because of the school system. This is A LOT of people. You are being ignorant if you don't believe this. Just talk to any young family who has moved here within the last 5 years. If you don't believe this you are NOT actually talking to people. If the community is seen as not supporting the schools, why won't people just move to San Ramon? We might move but our house has lost a lot of value. Pleasanton is actually quite boring, but at least it has decent schools and parks. Good for kids, boring for adults.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on May 10, 2009 at 10:24 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Let them move to San Ramon. :D All these strange people moved into Pleasanton and ruined it.


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Posted by Russell
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on May 11, 2009 at 6:45 am

It is a strange thing to want good schools?


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on May 11, 2009 at 7:02 am

Russell, I asked this on the other thread in another way. I don't think it is strange to want the best schools the community can and is willing to provide, but we don't need the parcel tax now with the $6.7 million coming from the feds. So, in order to have the best schools possible and with the time now to determine what that means to all of us, why wouldn't we vote no or cancel the vote and do that homework first?


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Posted by Carl
a resident of Country Fair
on May 11, 2009 at 8:37 am

The Bay East Association of Realtors shows a 38% year-over-year sales decline in March of 2008. Web Link

The same reports show that selling/asking price ratios are below 100%.

Trulia (data aggregator) shows 2009 sales in Pleasanton at the lowest level seen since 2000.
Web Link

Maybe April 09, or the first week of May 09, turned out to be different? Any realtors able to provide market data for April that backs up the reporter's claims?


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Posted by Carl
a resident of Country Fair
on May 11, 2009 at 8:39 am

Meant to say:

The Bay East Association of Realtors shows a 38% year-over-year sales decline in March of 2009 compared to March of 2008.


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Posted by Tu Hung Lo
a resident of Pheasant Ridge
on May 11, 2009 at 8:42 am

Joe,
Are you the same guy that did the "Jughead" post today (see NO PARCEL TAX NECESSARY & PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT NOT NEEDING A TAX?)? I'm guessing it could have been you because both you and that person are both jugheads.


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Posted by doglover
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 11, 2009 at 9:04 am

We don't know Joe.
Tu Hung Lo -Doglover said the meaner people are the more they lack in self esteem. Doglover laughed about your name and said those that have to bring attention to their "tu hung lo" are the kinds that don't have any. Whatever that means.
Doglover says pity people like you because you probably never got enough love as a child. Maybe if you tried being nicer, someone would love you.


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Posted by Parent of Two
a resident of Val Vista
on May 11, 2009 at 9:28 am

Parent of Two is a registered user.

Asking realtors about home sales is like asking school administrators about parcel taxes. You're only going to get an answer that leads to them getting more money.

Why ask a realtor for anecdotal information when the real sales figures are available for anyone with an internet connection? Shoddy journalism at best...

Why not ask Nancy Pelosi if Congress needs more money? Same thing.


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Posted by you all suck
a resident of Laguna Vista
on May 11, 2009 at 9:43 am

All the name calling and finger pointing all of you do behind this blog is cowardly. The funny part is that you are the same people that smile and say hello to each other at the farmers market, store, and on Main ST. When you are pulled out into the public your big bad attitude is gone. This is for people on both sides of measure G. Shut your mouth and we will see what June 2nd holds.


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Posted by Bruce
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on May 11, 2009 at 9:45 am

It would be nice to know where all these people that are moving here for the schools are moving from. Oakland? San Jose? Union City? If you work in Silicon Valley, how far do you want to comute? Pleasanton is 15 to 30 minutes closer to work than San Ramon, Livermore and Danville. Schools are similar but the comute is shorter. I'd pay more rather than spend all that time in the 680 parking lot. Also have the ACE train that the communities to the north don't have. You will never convince me that the schools are the only reason. Our test scores are increasing because we have more Asian students than we did 10 years age, not because we have such good teachers.
It's the parents that demand excellence from their children that make the school system good, not CSR or our overpaid administration.
Think about it.


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Posted by John
a resident of Birdland
on May 11, 2009 at 10:01 am

Bruce,
You are right on many of your points. I do think that the schools are a large part of why people move here. NOT the only reason but a big one. (not sure about the Asian comment) All my neighbors seem to be Indian (not American Indian). One question. If the tax (measure G) was worded different so that the kids would really benefit and it would not be used for raises but keeping programs and equipment would you then vote yes? I do support it and think it is necessary but would like to ensure it is spent on the right things and not just to balance the deficit.


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Posted by Parent of Two
a resident of Val Vista
on May 11, 2009 at 10:07 am

Parent of Two is a registered user.

John,

The problem with the parcel tax is even if those funds are specifically allocated to programs (which they are not), the district will just take money out of those programs in order to pay for raises and other things taxpayers might not want.

It's not exactly a blank check to the same people who pillaged the reserve account, but it's pretty close.


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Posted by John
a resident of Birdland
on May 11, 2009 at 10:36 am

Parent of two:

Yes, I understand. That is why I ask the question about if it were worded different. I know that they can always take from Peter to pay Paul but if we had some sort of action that we could take to ensure the money went to the right place would that help people that are against it? Anyway it is not designated money now but I think it should be. If we are asking people to pay for the kids then it should go to the kids (not in the way of raises for teachers).


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Posted by Parent of Two
a resident of Val Vista
on May 11, 2009 at 10:43 am

Parent of Two is a registered user.

John,

Your concerns are well-founded, which is why this particular parcel tax is a BAD idea. NONE of your concerns are addressed in this tax. It is a knee-jerk reaction to a financial shortfall, and not a well-planned, well-thought-out part of a comprehensive program.

"Hey, we're losing some of our budget because the economy is collapsing. LET'S RAISE TAXES! WHEEEEEEEEEEEE!" isn't responsible financial planning.


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Posted by Bruce
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on May 11, 2009 at 11:13 am

I am against the parcel tax no matter what. The problem is not just that our school administration spends too much, the problem is Sacramento is so busy paying off special interests that they are taking earmarked school funding to pay for benefits for illegal aliens and any other group or union that will vote for them. Let's do something to force our elected representatives to do the job they are paid to do.
Let's hold them fiduciarily responsible for balancing the budget or take their assets to make up the shortfall instead of them taking the shortfall from our pocketbooks.
I just read over the weekend that the CALPERS retirement system lost 25% of their assets and now they want us to make up the difference. How about they make up my losses in my retirement account first. If the funds are not in the plan, let them take a reduced retirement.I am sick and tired of mismanagement being rewarded out of my hard earned dollars. It is time for a TAXPAYERS REVOLUTION.


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Posted by Patricia
a resident of Vineyard Hills
on May 11, 2009 at 1:38 pm

Isn't Kathleen Ruegsegger like 70 years old and she's using terms like "screaming a--". Lol. Does she also frequent the Popi? My two cents: Kathleen, if you're looking for credibility, keep it classy.


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Posted by Disappointed Pleasanton Resident
a resident of Mohr Park
on May 11, 2009 at 2:26 pm

I just have to say how disappointed I am in the tone and ugliness shown in many of these and other postings about the parcel tax. I love this town mainly because of all the wonderful people living here. But I have seen behavior that frankly embarrasses me as a Pleasanton resident on the topic of the parcel tax. I also see that many of the postings lack any education on what the true facts are and seem to be purely negative emotional postings. I see so many awful mean postings that are just not true. It disappoints me so to see this community divisiveness when we should all be pulling together to solve the problems we AS A TOWN can effect.

I am sure I'll get flamed for this posting, but if one person stops to think about what they are saying or checks the facts before posting, then maybe it's worth it.

Just stop for a minute and remember that not only is there a person on the other end of the posting that you are attacking, but they are also a member of YOUR community. We do not have to be ugly to one another. Let's work together and come up with positive solutions instead of attacking one another as it does no good at all.

This isn't representing the town I choose to live in.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 11, 2009 at 2:33 pm

Good schools attract families. This is a great community, and many families (mine included) move/buy a house here for the schools and get to enjoy the rest: community, parks, a great town overall. If you have ever lived in other towns in the Bay Area, you can certainly appreciate all that Pleasanton has to offer, and the schools are a big part of it.

YES on G.


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Bonde Ranch
on May 11, 2009 at 2:52 pm

I guess at issue here is need and affordability. It seems in these times many people are unwilling to spend money that they cannot currently afford and possibly it is this parcel tax. Would any be opposed to exclusions for seniors (they already have one) individuals who are either unemployed or have had their pay reduced this year to be excluded until such time as they gain employment or are made whole financially again? This seems to be fair as otherwise you would be expecting people out of work or financially negatively impacting to be paying for raises for others?


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Posted by Mohr resident
a resident of Mohr Park
on May 11, 2009 at 3:59 pm

Two points to consider.
1) The budget short fall can be made up two ways, taxing the citizens or a 5% cost cut from the schools. Let THEM fix their own house, don't come running to me. I've already voted and it's NO on G.
2) Not sure how accurate the story was regarding the "Hot" housing market. I live virtually across the street from the house in the story and it has been on the market for almost 6 months. That's not an indicator of a hot market. Plus, the house is selling for 25% less than the seller's paid for it appx. 18 months ago.
The reporter got one thing right, Pleasanton is a great place to live.


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Posted by Now that's classy
a resident of Downtown
on May 11, 2009 at 4:58 pm

Patricia,

Thanks for "keeping it classy" with your personal attacks.


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Posted by Dominus
a resident of Danbury Park
on May 11, 2009 at 5:22 pm

You know, you might be right about people moving here for the schools, but it won't be got F-Hill or A-dor it will be for the new Catholic College Preparatory High School in Livermore-Pope John Paul II. Go to the 680blog and read that valley realtors think "Catholic schools are highly regarded high schools academically...." They got that one right.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on May 11, 2009 at 6:57 pm

Patricia, Less than 60 actually. I suppose I could have used SAD instead in the texting and twittering vernacular (i.e., LOL or LMAO). The example was about a home deal and the extra "punch" was appropriate. I didn't call anyone an --- after all.


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Posted by David
a resident of Happy Valley
on May 11, 2009 at 7:28 pm

I have no idea why everyone keeps talking about measure G as I believe it is a dead bill and stands no chance of passing. What is the next step?


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on May 11, 2009 at 7:37 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

The comment above about Asian students being great is a myth. Students are great because they've been given high expectations and family support of education. What we're seeing is families who value education self-select communities which value education and first generation immigrants usually come from cultures which place high value on education.

Schools are not just great on their own. The community that gets involved shapes those schools. And I'm not talking about just throwing money at them and listening to everything they're told. Even the critics help shape districts. Perhaps if there were more involved watchdogs in Oakland, that district wouldn't have spent itself into receivership. I wouldn't know though as my interest is only Pleasanton issues.


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Posted by Patricia
a resident of Vineyard Hills
on May 11, 2009 at 8:15 pm

Stacey what in the world or who in the world are you talking about or to? What does Asians or Indians for that matter have to do with anything. What are you talking about Oakland for?


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on May 11, 2009 at 8:37 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Patricia,

Without being patronizing, see "Posted by Bruce, a resident of the Pleasanton Heights neighborhood, 10 hours ago"


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Posted by Patricia
a resident of Vineyard Hills
on May 11, 2009 at 8:53 pm

Stacey,

Without being patronizing, please read Bruce's comments again as he is not saying that our teachers are bad only that there are many reasons for test scores and honestly he is right about the involvement in the asian parents and also the high expectations they have for their children. Asians and East Indians bring up the test scores in any school or school districts they attend.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on May 11, 2009 at 9:47 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Patricia,

Then heck, what in the world are YOU talking about?!

Bruce wrote: "Our test scores are increasing because we have more Asian students than we did 10 years age, not because we have such good teachers."

Asian students are doing well not because they're Asian, but because of parental involvement. Bruce didn't exactly make that distinction in his post, as evidenced afterward by the response from John.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on May 11, 2009 at 9:52 pm

Ladies all, Please read "Outliers" by Malcolm Gladwell. I promise it won't disappoint, and it even addresses some of what you are addressing.


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Posted by Patricia
a resident of Vineyard Hills
on May 11, 2009 at 10:06 pm

Stacey, in reading what he wrote and what John wrote I think it would be a stretch for you to imply that he is slighting teachers nor is he saying that Asians score high because they are Asian but rather by the engagement and standards their parents have. As a point of clarification if anyone thinks that people move to this town because of the teachers or that teachers are the majority of the reason for our test scores I believe all would agree that they are sadly mistaken.


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Posted by Russell
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on May 11, 2009 at 10:17 pm

People do move to the town for good reputation of schools. Living in Dublin isn't a whole lot different from living in Pleasanton. But people do pay more to live in the better school district. I think that's common sense.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on May 11, 2009 at 10:55 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Kathleen,

I saw some of his argument from: Web Link

"In Chinese languages, numbers are shorter, allowing Chinese to both speak and remember those numbers in two seconds -- a fraction of the time it takes to remember those numbers in English."

I don't think length of the numbers in Chinese has much to do with it. Almost all of 1-10 in English are one syllable too. In fact, most of English's most commonly used words are one syllable.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on May 11, 2009 at 10:59 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Gladwell's idea is reminiscent of the Sapir-Whorf linguistic theory. Web Link


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Posted by Patricia
a resident of Vineyard Hills
on May 12, 2009 at 6:34 am

Russell,

how many homes are there in pleasanton and how many of these homes have children?


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Posted by Claudette McDermott
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 12, 2009 at 9:35 am

We lived in Fremont for 17 years and loved it at first. Then the face of Fremont changed in the last 10 years. The school system was lousy and teachers were telling me not to supplement my children with more challenging school work even though they were getting bored in the classroom. The neighborhood started looking like no body cared to keep it up... kids roaming the streets in groups, looking like gangs and I rarely heard English being spoken in the supermarket. I felt like a visitor in my own neighborhood. We left and came to Pleasanton because my husband got a job out here and we did some research on the schools to find them among the best in the state. We stretched our dollars to buy a home and now we are happy we did. Don't get me wrong, there are things and mentalities that need to be changed here, but it's as close to perfect as I think I can get at the moment.


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Posted by John
a resident of Del Prado
on May 12, 2009 at 9:45 am

Claudette not buying most of what you wrote but in Fremont the largest population growth was Asian and East Indian and guess what? The largest growth in population in Pleasanton in the last 5 years has been Asian and East Indian! Better get versed on mandarin and punjabi.


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Posted by Russell
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on May 12, 2009 at 5:09 pm

It is pointless to argue that school quality isn't a factor for many home buyers in Pleasanton.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on May 12, 2009 at 5:49 pm

Russell: It is mindless, however, to look at the facts provided, look at the mismanagement of taxpayer dollars, look at the money coming from the federal government (nearly $7 million), and still say we need the parcel tax. I said this a while back, the statement as presented can be: we should do this because we should do this. People who don't need a reason will accept any reason.


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Posted by Mac
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 12, 2009 at 6:50 pm

Russell,

Shame on you for thinking that people choose Pleasanton over Dublin simply because of schools. THere are many obvious differences, for one, the town structure. Pleasanton is a planned community with a many wonderful features including a fantastic downtown and great parks. Dublin is still trying to find a downtown. Dublin is seeing some tremendous growth and development now, and will work on these issues, but it is no Pleasanton. That said, it too is a great place to live. But in the end, we've picked Pleasanton for a MYRIAD of reasons.


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Posted by Carl
a resident of Country Fair
on May 13, 2009 at 7:15 am

Back to the original topic. Real estate professionals are not backing up the claims in the video. For good reason.....

The Bay East Association of REALTORS has published the April 09 real estate market statistics. See them here: Web Link

Not exactly a 'hotbed of activity' is it? All relevant indicators are down, including the sale to ask price ratio that the reporter was all ecstatic about.

As another thread points out, Save Pleasanton Schools still has the misleading news clip on their website.


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