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Yes or No on Measure G and Prop 1A?

Original post made by Stacey, Amberwood/Wood Meadows, on May 6, 2009

I'm just wondering how many of those who are planning to vote yes on Measure G are also voting yes on 1A and visa versa?

To me the arguments for and against Measure G seem like they could echo the State props.

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Posted by Pleasanton Parent
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on May 6, 2009 at 11:43 pm

No to all


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Posted by Joe
a resident of Downtown
on May 7, 2009 at 12:13 am

Already voted NO to the State Props as Permanent Mail In Voter and can't wait to do the same to Measure G.


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Posted by No Fear
a resident of Civic Square
on May 7, 2009 at 8:58 am

Please read this shocking story by Daniel Borenstein of the Contra Costa Times. This type of abuse is happening throughout the state of California, including Pleasanton. How can you trust government bureaucrats with your hard earned tax dollars. The PW needs to do an investigative report, with a local angle. It's time the lid was blown off the cozy deal making. I'm completely speechless: Web Link


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Posted by Ken in South Pleasanton
a resident of Downtown
on May 7, 2009 at 1:00 pm

This type of abuse really makes you look at the commercials on TV and in printed material in a different way. Many have a tired and dirty firefighter, ostensibly just coming back from a hot fire, telling you how voting for these propositions will help keep our fire and police protection in place. Bah Humbug! What they are really saying is that they want you to support them for life at these outrageous retirement levels. If you are thoughtless enough to vote FOR any of these propositions you will feel the hand of these people in your back pocket for the rest or your life and the rest of your childrens' lives. VOTE NO AS MANY TIMES AS LEGALLY POSSIBLE TO SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE TO OUR GOVERNMENT THAT WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS!


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on May 7, 2009 at 1:17 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

It looks like the Independent has an article on the State props: Web Link


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Posted by weblink
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 7, 2009 at 1:54 pm

Here is that weblink from above. It didn't work, so I found this one...Web Link


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Posted by Donna
a resident of Canyon Oaks
on May 7, 2009 at 4:12 pm

They are using that picture of the firefighter as emotional blackmail. Obviously, there is plenty to cut before going after money for firefighting, but that wouldn't scare us or make us feel bad.


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Posted by Ya I Know huh
a resident of Danbury Park
on May 7, 2009 at 4:30 pm

Ya, I know huh, I'm surprised the Yes on G people don't have a picture of a teacher in tattered clothes for their lawn signs. Oh, wait, a teacher in tattered clothes in Pleasanton ? na that would be Oakland. Slam me with your emotional gicus, it just makes me laugh.


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Posted by Jill
a resident of Birdland
on May 7, 2009 at 8:58 pm

I am voting NO on this measure and am steadfast in my opinion. No offense meant towards teachers. However, I am offended that when I come home after work, I have voice mails from individuals trying to solicit my vote. Who gave you my number??? I am unlisted. Really, who gave you my number? Don't call me. I am informed enough about the issues and your call does not rally me to your cause, but rathers bothers me in that my number is unlisted and you should call me. I think if I get one more call, I am going to become an activist against the measure.


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Posted by Carl
a resident of Country Fair
on May 7, 2009 at 9:05 pm

Stacey - The Independent did not do their homework. They did not mention in the list of groups against Prop 1A:

SEIU
California Federation of Teachers
California Faculty Association

Web Link

California Nurses Association

Web Link

League of Women Voters

Web Link



In addition the Independent misrepresented the positions of the California Democratic Party who FAILED to endorse 1A, 1D and 1E. They endorsed 1B, 1C and 1F.



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Posted by Carl
a resident of Country Fair
on May 7, 2009 at 9:07 pm

Here's the link to the source for the CA Democratic Party positions.

Web Link


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Posted by Eric
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on May 8, 2009 at 8:26 am

I honestly don't understand people voting against Measure G. We have high home values in Pleasanton in large part because we have good schools. Even if some of the Measure G money were misspent, it seems to me that $233 a year is a small price to pay to keep our home values up.


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Posted by John
a resident of Birdland
on May 8, 2009 at 9:32 am

I hear all of the people against measure G saying how the people for it are slamming them with nasty comments, however, all I see is the opposite. It may have started that way but now it is the "not for" party that is making themselves look bad. I personally do not think that if you are for it you are a bad person nor do I think that if you oppose it you are a child hater.

To answer the question asked I am voting yes on G and no on 1A. The way I read 1A (maybe I need to read it more)means they can use it for many things not just education. G is strictly for education and local education at that. Whose to say that the state would even give us the money if they decide to use it for education. I do agree that there should be some clear wording on how the G money gets spent though. Keep teachers and programs yes, salary increases no.


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Posted by Nosy Neighbors
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on May 8, 2009 at 9:36 am

Unfortunately this little e-community is the silent minority in the battle for our tax dollars. If I were a gambler I'd wager that ALL of the stupid 1A-etc. state props & Measure G will pass by at least 11-15% & the only thing that will result from it will be an even more emaciated downtown business district & reduced discretionary spending by the residents of Pleasanton & the surrounding areas. Small & independent businesses will be the hardest hit, mid sized & large retailers & restaurant chains will feel it shortly thereafter, all will result in those low-mid paying jobs being eliminated & the possibility of a summer job for our kids? Forget it! Hey mom & dad, plan on having junior around the house this summer.

..."all for the children..." My big fat ass!


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Posted by Ken in South Pleasanton
a resident of Downtown
on May 8, 2009 at 10:02 am

This little e-community can make a big difference by sharing our thoughts in the community. I'd wager that most of us spend some time in the real world and even talk to people. I've had a great time sharing my thoughts, parrying back and forth on the issues and opinions, and seeing how the community is getting involved. There are many people who are just fed up with the endless demand for taxpayer dollars that get spent without results and without regards to where the dollars came from. I think the legislators and local government officials will be surprised by the NO VOTE this election. Personally, I urge everyone to get out and VOTE NO AS MANY TIMES AS LEGALLY POSSIBLE TO SEND A MESSAGE TO BIG GOVERNMENT THAT WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH!


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Posted by Nosy Neighbors
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on May 8, 2009 at 10:17 am

Carl most eloquently posted the Cal. Democrat Parties stand on the State Props. The apocalypse must be coming soon, Tom (uber-right) Mc Clintocks position here strangely are almost in line.

Web Link


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Posted by No, no, no!
a resident of Danbury Park
on May 8, 2009 at 9:56 pm

I really don't understand the willingness of so many people to continue handing over more and more money to politicians. Your tax money is what gives the politicians power. This is how they control you; with threats of closing fire stations and laying-off teachers. Yet you keep handing them more money. Why? Do you have any concept of how many things can be cut before police, firefighters, and teachers? Do you really understand how much tax money is taken from you every year?


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Posted by Absolutely
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on May 9, 2009 at 10:01 am

It's sad to read how divided this community has become. Support Pleasanton schools. There should be no ands, ifs, or buts. It may not be the best time financially but turning our backs on the schools and teachers who work so hard would be an absolute shame. I'd hate to see how this community would look without the support of a parcel tax. It is only 64 cents a day...


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on May 9, 2009 at 10:12 am

Stacey is a registered user.

It's really $18MM.


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Posted by Nosy Neighbors
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on May 9, 2009 at 10:25 am

I want to thank the supporters of Measure G & their wonderful full page (& how much did that cost?) add in yesterdays P-Town Weekly print addition for enlightening the citizenry as to where all your tax dollars are being wasted.

ADMINISTRATION

Coordinator of Categorical Programs = $120,000
Coordinator of Vocational Services = $120,000
Asst. Dir. of Student Nutritional Planning = $96,000
...just to name a few all totaling $2.146M, all could go or be replaced by existing positions.

OPERATIONAL FUNCTIONS

Worthless expenses totaling $1.8M, again not covered under Measure G

If you add up redundant job functions, meaningless positions & top heavy, well over $100K administration positions (I'd be happy to be the Coordinator of Categorical Programs for, lets say, $65K) I could cut $3,922,000 right now & nobody would have to go through this ordeal.

PUSD you are a bunch of greedy, entitled, tenured mother f&%!?*@s!!


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Bonde Ranch
on May 9, 2009 at 10:34 am

Nosy Neighbors,

You have got to be kidding me!!! If the Assistant director of nutritional planning makes $96,000 how much does the Director make?


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Posted by Nosy Neighbors
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on May 9, 2009 at 7:10 pm

That position isn't being eliminated so it wasn't noted. Typically an Asst. Director's pay should be anywhere from 50-70% of the Directors (in the PUSD it's anybody's best guess though) so you do the math. The Dir. of Nutritional Planning has a sweet gig either way you look at it.


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Posted by Why do we need that?
a resident of Danbury Park
on May 10, 2009 at 9:12 pm

Why does the district need any nutritional planner let alone assistants? Can someone explain what they do and why this can't be done at the state level? Do kids in different communities have different nutritional needs?


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Posted by NO TAXES
a resident of another community
on May 10, 2009 at 9:32 pm

Rush Limbaugh says NO TAXES.

IT IS TIME TO WAKE UP.

TAXES ARE SLAVERY TO POLITICIANS.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 13, 2009 at 10:20 am

I plan to vote YES on G.

I plan to vote NO on all the propositions except for 1F (the one that talks about not giving raises)

I think Measure G is important, and I plan to support it.

I think the state propositions are wrong. The state legislature and governor need to undo much of what Davis did before being recalled, including the outrageous pensions negotiated by the unions.


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Posted by member
a resident of Downtown
on May 26, 2009 at 1:34 pm

As a CPA and VP of Finance I agree that many of the politicians need to be replaced and that we need change how government provides many services. That said, my wife is a principal in the Mt Diablo school district and they had a similar measure to measure G, it did not pass and now class sizes will increase and teachers need to be laid off. In her case she will loose 8 really good teachers due to lack of tenure, worst year break up a cohesive team that goes well beyond what they are paid for. Many people think they are sending a message to the politicians by voting no on G, I am not so sure as the politicians will be no better or worse off, they are too far removed, but you will be sending a message to some of our best and brightest teachers, " Pleasanton does not need your services"


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Posted by John
a resident of Pleasanton Middle School
on May 27, 2009 at 11:51 pm

If you want to contribute to the public school system why don't you pay for it yourself. Property owners are already carrying most of the burden. The school system, will always be receptive to your donations with open arms. The waste that goes on there is outrageous. There is so much garbage on the grounds at PMS that just going for a jog around the track is enough to shake your head in disgust. Why aren't these kids taught some good housekeeping for a change? Like pick up the trash on campus once in a while instead of hiring janitors around the clock. Maybe it's because the teachers live the same way at home - a dirty mess. The fields are usually flooded from over watering. Why is so much land needed anyway? So the landscapers can get rich!? The costs for mowing the grass is mind boggling.

Maybe if they cut the staff by 50% they would get something done. Private schools usually outperform public schools 10 to 1 on 75% fewer resources. Last time we went into the main office at PMS it way over crowded.

Disgusted in Pleasanton
NO ON G! Pay for it yourself!


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Posted by Leigh
a resident of Jensen Tract
on May 28, 2009 at 4:09 pm

I am sick of paying more and more taxes! Where does it stop? It seems that when it comes to schools, there just can't be enough money to run them. They are always screaming for more, and who do they go after? Property owners!. There is something fundamentally wrong with our school system and it needs to be fixed. Throwing more money at it never fixes it! We need to privitize our schools and let them operate in the free market. Then we can choose which school best fits our childrens needs. There is no choice now, so the schools can demand more money with little or no accountability. Teachers good and bad have tenure and can't be fired if they don't perform. This would all change with privitazation.

We would all (especially the children) be winners in the long run.

Stop the insanity - NO ON G.


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