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negotiating teachers' contracts

Original post made by Sandy on Apr 25, 2009

I have done some homework about the process for negotiating teachers' contracts. According to the CTA, school districts and teachers' unions are required to negotiate a new contract once every three years.

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According to Trevor Knaggs, the president of the Association of Pleasanton Teachers, the current contract between the APT and the PUSD expires in the summer of 2010.

This is the reason that the current salary schedule is in place -- it was negotiated two summers ago, and once the contract is finalized, it is not possible for one party to the contract to unilaterally reopen negotiations.

Cost of living adjustments are apparently not negotiated as part of the 3-year contract, but are set annually.

The recent memorandum of understanding between PUSD and APT that decreases the number of paid professional development days from 3 to 1 was established by mutual consent.

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Posted by Stu Gazzo, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 25, 2009 at 5:20 pm

Bull, it can be reopened. If the union is given a choice of a freeze or layoffs, they will take the freeze so they don't lose their lifeblood THEIR DUES. Its time to play hardball.


Posted by Chris, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 25, 2009 at 5:42 pm

So the APT members would prefer to lay off teachers than accept a wage freeze?
Who needs enemies when you have friends like those in the APT?

This link was posted earlier and is an eyeopener particularly for anyone who thinks the teachers union makes children's education a priority.



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Posted by granny, a resident of Bonde Ranch
on Apr 25, 2009 at 5:48 pm

An MOU that holds ups? hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Give me a break!


Posted by granny, a resident of Bonde Ranch
on Apr 25, 2009 at 5:51 pm

Parcel Tax will pass easily. Who is anybody kidding?


Posted by Chris, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 25, 2009 at 6:04 pm

The MOU between PUSD & APT is ONLY if the parcel tax passes. 30% of APT's members didn't approve the MOU. Maybe that 30% are the ones who really do put kids first and would have accepted wage freezes in order to allow PUSD time to figure out what their true financial picture is and where they could make other budget cuts.
We'll never know because PUSD didn't attempt to raise the subject of a salary freeze with APT.

There are individual teachers who do make student education a priority - but the teachers' union's purpose for being is not to provide a quality education for students, but to get the maximum amount of money and benefits for its members.


Posted by Pleasanton Parent, a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Apr 25, 2009 at 8:06 pm

" it is not possible for one party of the contract to unilaterally reopen negotiations"

There is the key, it takes both sides to agree to re-open negotiations. I think the fact the PUSD and teachers union haven't done so speaks volumes to where their priorities lie.

Measure G is wrong. Give us the opportunity to help our schools through these tough economic times, but do it in a manner that is fair, ethical, and responsible. Don't become the next AIG.


Posted by the, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 25, 2009 at 8:26 pm

"30% of APT's members didn't approve the MOU. Maybe that 30% are the ones who really do put kids first and would have accepted wage freezes in order to allow PUSD time to figure out what their true financial picture is and where they could make other budget cuts."

APT broke from the CTA. CTA does not want any local giving anything. The 30% didn't want ANY concessions. That's why they voted no. You may not like the MOU but ATP didn't have to do a thing. They could have just sat pat and not been any help.

Let the sarcasm about unions begin...



Posted by question, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 25, 2009 at 8:27 pm

I thought the purpose of a union was to benefitits members. So, this shouldn't be an eye opener that the teacher union is to benefit the teachers and not the students.


Posted by Get out of the wagon, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 25, 2009 at 8:31 pm

When will these people see beyond rainbows an unicorns?

"Should do", "deserve", "serve our children", "quality education", "teacher bashing", blah, blah blah.

No one has argued to "screw the teachers!" in this forum or set out to do any harm. Unless I have missed it, I have not seen anymore than requests to freeze the salary increases until we get the programs funded and under control. Hasn't anyone at the Union heard the phrase, "Don't bite the hand that feeds you!" ?

There are some families in Pleasanton that can not only afford a tax, but they want it. That is great! Support the Measure. But don't condemn the rest of us that not only can't support it, but also those of us that won't support it because it isn't right.

This is just a time when the district and community is finally reaping what we have all sewn for years. Fiscal irresponsibility on the behalf of the union, and lack of demands for it on the community's part. We not only have to look into things because we are all struggling at this point, but it is also the right thing to do.

How can the public sector stand there pointing at the private sector with a judgemental face and wagging finger accusing them of getting into the cookie jar, when the same public sector has chocolate and crumbs smeared all over their face?

Let's take our lumps as a community and get it right, right now, so we can not only give our kids a terrific education, but also give them a good example for the future.

"No!" on Measure G, but "Yes!" on coming together as a community to support our kids and the teachers to get this right!


Posted by the, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 25, 2009 at 8:58 pm

Question,
Chris was making the point that only 30% of APT care about the students because they voted against the MOU. That 30% would have voted for a freeze.?

I'm say that this 30% would have never voted for a freeze. They didn't want to give up 2 days let alone a freeze.

Yes, unions want to keep their members employed. But they ALSO care about the job. Support for its members does not stop at the bargaining table.

Wagon,
This forum has continued to ask for much more than a freeze.
The hand that has fed teachers have led California to 47th in the nation in school funding. Should teachers be thankful?


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Apr 25, 2009 at 9:12 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

Get out of the wagon wrote: "There are some families in Pleasanton that can not only afford a tax, but they want it. That is great!"

I suggest that these families donate directly to the schools.


Posted by Russell, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Apr 25, 2009 at 11:58 pm

"I suggest that these families donate directly to the schools."

Many are, but many don't even know about Measure G. An all voluntary tax system sounds so attractive, but could never work. Can you imagine how many people would pay income and sales taxes if they were voluntary?


Posted by Sid, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 26, 2009 at 2:01 am


This is funny.
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The contest allowed anyone 13 and older to nominate the worst union-protected teachers in America through CUF's website www.TeachersUnionExposed.com. After receiving over 600 nominations, CUF has identified the ten worst and offered each of them $10,000 to quit the profession forever. The purpose of the contest was to illustrate that unions have made it so difficult and costly to get rid of bad teachers that it can be easier to pay them to quit.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Apr 26, 2009 at 8:54 am

Stacey is a registered user.

Russell,

You're ignoring the difference between a "general" tax and a "special" tax by making that comparison. Neither was a "voluntary" tax suggested.


Posted by Russell, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Apr 26, 2009 at 10:28 am

@Sid

How does that have anything to do with Measure G? Getting rid of bad teachers has nothing to do with Measure G.


Posted by Carl, a resident of Country Fair
on Apr 26, 2009 at 10:38 am

Russell - Removing ineffective teachers, along with merit pay and other performance management practices, is one of many educational structural reforms that will improve the overall use of tax dollars. It has everything to do with Measure G. There are many options PUSD and the unions refuse to consider to make the school system better. When they get serious about making structural reforms, I'll get serious and pay more taxes. Until then...No on the Parcel Tax, No on Measure G. No on Propositions 1A-1E.


Posted by Penny Pincher, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 26, 2009 at 11:03 am

I've said this on another thread.
I think Russell's posts are designed to waste the time of those who are presenting information that doesn't support Measure G.
Having spent 30+ years around engineers, I have found that engineers are interested in data that can be verified. They like to have all the information they can possible acquire before making a decision.
This isn't true of Russell.
It's time to stop responding to Russell's posts. He's not interested in even evaluating the information provided; he's just interested in playing sniper.


Posted by Russell, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Apr 26, 2009 at 3:01 pm

@Penny Pincher

"He's not interested in even evaluating the information provided"

Do you have any specifics? Why would I ask questions if I weren't interested in the answers? Is anyone who questions the "no on Measure G" people a troll? I've even said on other threads that I would be willing to change my mind on the issue.


Posted by Russell, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Apr 26, 2009 at 3:03 pm

@Carl

"to make the school system better"

But people are saying that is not the issue here. Pleasanton has a high quality school system.


Posted by Carl, a resident of Country Fair
on Apr 26, 2009 at 3:11 pm

Russell - You missed the point. If you want to pick words/phrases out and deflect the conversation, go right ahead. I won't bite.


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