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on Apr 9, 2009
This is the type of person that goes to these Tea Parties (a really high IQ group):
Lets be honest about the Tea Party and who goes to these events. These Tea Parties are nothing more than a group of homogeneous Republicans engaging in an exercise of pure selfishness and divisiveness. And unless I'm mistaken, the basic idea of the tea bag revolution is to protest against government bailouts and in favor of tax cuts for the wealthiest five percent of Americans. Ultimately, the tea baggers (can I call them that?) appear to be against allowing the Bush's tax cuts to expire. Strangely, they also appear to be against President Obama signing into law the largest middle class tax cut in history. They're also against helping middle and working class "losers" keep their homes. (By the way, your neighbor's mortgage is your problem. Just watch your property values plummet as soon as there's just one foreclosure on your block.)
This series of Obama policies, they say, portends tyranny in America. Of course none of the policies of the Bush administration were considered tyrannical by many of the current tea bag leaders. You know the list of Bush trespasses. The illegal searches and seizures, the illegal electronic eavesdropping and torturing. The suspension of habeas corpus, the record deficits, the doubling of the national debt and so on. None of that was tyrannical. But allowing the tax cuts for the wealthiest five percent to expire is absolutely the vanguard of totalitarianism.
Sorry right-winger, Obama won the election and he is popular with the American public (Boohoo!!! Call the whambulance!!). Where was all this outrage when the great GW Bush ran up America's debt?
Will Anthony Vassallo and Kenneth Kenitzer be able to make the Tea Party? I hope those quality guys can make it, I'm sure they support your cause.
Who likes taxes. I know I don't. Yes indeed we are taxed enough. I did not see that the Pleasanton TEA group (it's really one person-Bridget Melson) has taken a position against the Measure G.
Get a brain, morans!
If this is in opposition for measure G, from a campaign/marketing side, you should really call it a "Save our schools" function, not a TEA party - if for nothing else to prevent any sort of conflicting associations. Additionally, it puts the emphasis on the schools and not money.
We are going to the tea party with our friend, Doglover. Anywhere there are a lot of people, we get lots of pats and sometimes treats.
Doglover says we are all going to satisfy her curiosity and so are lots of her friends.
Uncle Homer, it is not nice to call people names.
Nice to see so many open minded, tax loving, free speech advocates amongst our cities leftists. (unless, of course, your free speech conflicts with their tax and spend Marxist philosophy).
The good folks protesting confiscatory taxation during an economic downturn are only expressing common sense. They know that raising taxes now only prolongs the time required for recovery of the economy.
This basic economic principle apparently eludes our current administration and the Kool-Aid drinkers the support Obama.
I'm sure the additional taxes will solve all of our states problems---look how well the Dems have done with their 40 year rule in California.
I'm really thinking that the far-right (Tea-Baggers) should stick with what they're good at: blindly pushing for massively expensive wars and Christian theocracy. Protests just ain't their thing.
I suspect one of the problems with the Tea Parties is that it's not altogether clear what they're rallying for. I take it they don't like the economic stimulus package, but that's already passed. They don't like budget deficits, unless they're run by Republican presidents. They don't want their taxes to go up, but Obama has already passed a significant middle-class tax cut, which by most measures, is the largest tax cut ever signed by a U.S. president.
So, angry, right-wing activists are going to get together to demand ... what exactly? A 36% top rate instead of a 39.6% top rate? A $3.1 trillion federal budget instead of a $3.5 trillion deficit? It's hardly the stuff of a credible and coherent political movement.
They're going to say that socialism is bad while gathering on publicly-financed park land and outside public buildings. They're going to insist that they don't want their taxes raised even though it's likely that upwards of 90 percent of the tea baggers are getting a tax cut. And they're generally going to emulate an protest from history that was precipitated by a corporate tax cut, which would otherwise indicate that the tea baggers are against tax cuts.
The folks cheerleading the Tea Parties are the same folks who cheerleaded the war in Iraq. So apparently, government intervention to the tune of $650 Billion is okay to spend when it comes to an unnecessary war that in no way advances American interests, but not okay when it comes to building bridges, cutting taxes, helping state governments meet budget shortfalls, or making sure that Americans don't get covered in lava. Gotcha.
I think this TEA Party is great!!! I'll be there.
(Ray - Obviously you do not care for the concept. That's clear since you've made *most* of the posts here so far. I'm curious, with so much time to post...do you have a job & pay taxes??? Or, are you one of those people who will benefit from the "wealth distribution"? Just askin'...)
Keep in mind folks... those "far-righters" may only be 5% of the population...but they're paying 95% of the taxes. Sounds like the "golden goose" in this country has finally had enough.
Bob, Oh the honor!!! Rich people have to pay taxes and they've had enough!!! Boohoo!!! Call the whambulance!!. Where was all this outrage when the great GW Bush ran up America's debt? Can someone here answer that question?
I am having trouble paying my mortgage when can you start helping me out with that?
I was just going to try and work harder, earn more money the old fashioned way but since you and all you liberal friends are offering, I am in for the taking.
Oh and by the way, my son is in harms way defending your right to be stupid.
Marine Mom, I find it ironic that you are having trouble paying your mortgage yet you want to associate with a group of people (Tea Baggers) who think people like you are "losers" for having trouble paying your mortgage. The very person who helped started this "movement", Rick Santelli, sparked a firestorm by calling people struggling to keep up with their mortgages "losers." I understand that conservatives have no concept of irony, but this is crazy.
Ray - Your ignorance of reality leaves me very embarrassed for you.
Let me try to make it very simple for you, if people like you (clearly NOT rich) keep taking from the "rich" so that you don't have to *live within your mean* ... you will find that the "rich" are no longer rich OR have left the country (as many are doing).
Bob, I guess you can't answer my question. Where was all this outrage when the great GW Bush ran up America's debt? Oh forgot, you were too busy worshipping Bush and Fox News to notice. Nice to see you sticking up for those poor, victimized multi-millionaires. How typical. I forgot how badly our economy did when the rich were taxed more during the Clinton years. Have fun watching Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity and whatever source of right-wing, misinformation you seem to follow.
OK Ray, here's your answer: The outrage was building.
BTW, civics lesson: Presidents can't spend any $$$ only Congress has that authority. The debt you refer to was run up by Congress (with help from GW which is inexcusable).
However, when the current administration (White House AND Congress) decided to *TRIPLE* that debt AND increase taxes ... they pushed a whole lot of people (not you obviously...just folks who are paying taxes) over the line. You know are seeing the "boiling point" of something that has been simmering for a while.
Bob, I knew that your copout answer was coming. So after 8 long years of uncontrolled spending, you waiting until Obama becomes president to reach your "boiling point"? Well how convenient for your right-wing agenda! I'm so sure you and your kind were ready to throw a Tea Party when Bush was president. Give me a break; you can't have it both ways. Why can't you at least admit you have sour grapes because a democrat got elected president instead using the "I reached my boiling point" lie to advance your cause? Tea Parties = Sour Grapes
Hey Ray -
It's been fun playing but I've got to get back to work.
BTW, I find it very puzzling that you seem to think only conservatives are rich. Just so you know...I'm a staunch liberal. Taxes are BI-partisan in impact, why these TEA parties are NOT a "conservative thing" & why I will be at one on Wed.
I hope you have a wonderful & blessed day.
I apologize on behalf of the absolute ignorant and disrespectful liberals like Ray who trash the servicemen and women of this country. Please extend my sincere thanks to your Marine son for his service...and thank YOU very much for raising a son who is proud to serve.
We need many many more people like your son in this country...and many many less people like Ray above. However, due to sheer ignorance of people like Obama and Ray (and apparently many more in this country) what sacrifices our servicemen and women have made, our national defense is declining rapidly in the face of escalating danger from all around...including from within.
Ray...I encourage you to read Mark Levin's best selling book, "Liberty and Tyranny" which is brilliantly written. In fact, I recommend that you put it in a brown paper bag and read it with a flashlight in the dark so your other liberal friends don't catch you with it.
I will bring my friends and protest tax, I hate it so much then they take away 35% plus of my heard earned money from my pay check, besides state and fed income taxes there are so many other taxes, I want tax cut not tax increase
Taxes are just a symptom. The real problem is spending beyond our means. There is bi-partisan support for it. Bush and Congress did if for years, and now Obama and congress continue it.
These tea party things look more like temper tantrums to me. Let's talk about fixing medicare and social security, and getting the financial services industry under control so they can't hold the world hostage with these obscene bailouts.
Russell, You and I agree here! Now, can I get you to see that fixing what is going on at PUSD without the parcel tax bailout is also the right thing to do?
I know there is a concern for the children, but one can easily argue the same for senior citizens or for all us who paid into a system for years that will likely go under before we can collect.
Hey % (without the guts to show his/her name), did I ever say anything that "trashed the servicemen and women" of this country? NO! So please don't lie and distort what I've said for your own right-wing agenda. I care a lot more about this country than a Rush Limbaugh wannabe like yourself, who would rather see Obama and this country fail to get a Republican elected in 2012.
As for that book by Mark Levin you mention, it is pure conservative propaganda written by a right-wing hack. Clearly you watch too much Sean Hannity. I'd bet my life you get all your information from Fox News and AM radio.
I just paid my property tax and $494 went to pay school bonds. That's almost $1,000 a year that I am paying to the school district. You want to add another $235???? Forget it. The schools will just have to make do like the rest of us. State tax went up 1%, income tax is going up and now the schools want more too?? My husband lost his job 3 years ago and is now severly underemployed, making less than half of what he used to make. These are tough times and we all need to cut back. A revolt is long overdue!
Ray - Why are you so angry? Whatever it is, it is clearly *way* beyond politics. I'm so sorry for whatever happened to you ... :(
Apparently some here believe that first amendment rights are only to be exercised by the "left" and are threatened by the prospect of large groups from the conservative side of the spectrum (or a mixed bag from both sides) assembling to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
This is a good opportunity, for those of us who are less practiced at airing our frustrations publicly than our liberal friends, to collectively express our displeasure with the rapid erosion of capitalism as our elected officials (starting at the very top) continue to rack up unimaginable debt while nationalizing the banking auto industries. Many of us were likewise angered by President Bush and Congress for starting us down the road of bailouts, when bankruptcy laws were already in place to deal with poorly operated businesses. But that pales in comparison to the spending spree we've witnessed since January.
We are bringing the family to participate in this event, it's a great lesson in civics for the kids. We look forward to seeing you all there conservative and liberal!
Jeff -- Outstanding post!!! I echo your comments. The socialist dems often inaccurately paint capitalism as being equivalent to a system of greed. Capitalism is what made this country great and the fountain of innovation and productivity resulting in our higher standard of living.
I submit that the democrat party is cruel. This policies of this party keep people dependent on government which is a disincentive for people to care for themselves. Our Declaration of Independence addresses our inalienable (i.e. God-given) rights of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
I submit that the democrat party ... ESPECIALLY OBAMA..is AGAINST ALL THREE ... Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness!
See you at the PleasantonTeaParty. (BTW: I have heard that at the LAST MINUTE, the City of Pleasanton is requiring the planners to make a much higher deposit (around $2000) for renting the park and for toilets, etc. So if you or anyone would like to contribute, go to the pleasantonteaparty "dot" com site (linked below) to HELP!!!
At a time when it surely seems that capitalism has run amuck and poised the world on the edge of economic ruin, the temptation is very strong for the pendulum to swing too far left into the failed and immoral territory of socialism.
Historically pure socialism has never worked, philosophically it cannot work, and morally it is inherently evil (because it undermines the right of private property ownership, an inherent human right) and hence should not be given a chance to work.
The common error is to think that socialism helps the poor and disenfranchised. As Pope Leo XIII pointed out as long ago as 1891 in his Encyclical "Rerum Novarum", socialism does not help the poor.
Rather, it reduces everyone to the same lowest common denominator of poverty and misery, while at the same time drying up the very sources of capital.
By: Fr. John Corapi
To Fr. John:
Thank you for your thoughtful posting. I agree wholeheartedly with your comments on Socialism. However, I strongly and respectfully disagree with your premise that capitalism ran amuck. On the contrary, what ran amuck was Federal government inserting itself into the free market where they "required" the banking industry (with threat of severe fines and in some cases ACORN threatened violence upon banking execs) to provide subprime loans to otherwise financially unfit people. I also believe that the larger financial crash on a global basis was 'planned' by George Soros and his extensive relationships -- yes, including Obama and Hillary -- who all have a vested interest that the US financial industry fall into crisis. There is evidence of this in the book entitled "Shadow Party."
We may have to agree to disagree on the Parcel tax. Do you think your position would be different if you thought the school district administrators had been responsible with their money? Is there any circumstance where you would support a tax like this? I see posts about solar panels being bought, but to me it is a distraction. You can find inefficiencies in any organizations. I keep saying that the basic product they are delivering is of high quality. From what I understand, their budget was impacted by the greater economic conditions which were outside of their control. The parcel tax is meant as way to compensate for that. I don't see it as analogous to AIG allowing its analysts to write derivatives that would surely bring the company to bankruptcy, and then demanding that tax payers bail them out when they fail.
Vladimir Putin warns the west against socialism basically saying that the former Soviet Union tried it and it did not work and now France is the country showing backbone.
Ah, people congregating in a public park to protest taxes paid for and maintained by . . .wait . . .wait. . . yes. . . TAXES!
Ah the irony!~
Ray puts his ignorance on display when he accuses a poster of only getting news from Fox News and AM radio. Since the poster is posting and reading news on a Pleasanton Weekly website, does that not count?
Conservatives, we must not get angry at the Rays, for they are angry liberals with nothing to offer but smears and insults. Instead we must promote the Rays as an example of the vacuous and hollow nature of modern liberalism.
Ray's rants remind me of extreme right-winger rants. They're both annoying.
I believe you are mistaken on what people are upset about - it's not about paying taxes, we all need to pay taxes. How about a flat based tax, every one pays the same percentage? We should all know that raising taxes does NOT stimulate the economy, lowering taxes does. We just had our state sales tax increased here in Alameda county to nearly 10%. I for one will not be buying anything unnecessary and most purchases will be on-line, I'd rather pay for shipping than 10% tax. I'm not even in the "rich" bracket but I do know what is fair and taxing hard working people who have had the smarts to make more money than you shouldn't have to bear the entire burden. GO TO WORK AND EARN YOUR OWN MONEY, THAT'S WHAT I DO...
You say I'm angry when you and your right-wing friends are about throw a tantrum aka Tea Bag party. These are not tea-parties. They are tea-tantrums. And the adolescent, unserious hysteria is a function not of a movement regrouping and refinding itself. It's a function of a movement's intellectual collapse and a party's fast-accelerating nervous breakdown.
That is essentially what the powerless Republican have become, nothing short of adolescent teens who can't deal with reality of a democratically elected Obama. The true is, I'm not mad at you Tea Baggers. If anything, I feel sorry for a group of bitter Republicans who are out of power, out of constructive ideas, and out of dignity. All you have to offer is anger, just anger, and little else.
This video is another Tea Party classic. A Tea Party attendee calls for book burning. Hey Republicans, thanks for all the comedy.
I too would like to thank your son for his service and extend my hope that he returns home safely. I have extended family members serving in Iraq and I understand the toll having a family member in the service takes on the entire family.
I must agree with you....raising taxes isn't going to get me to spend more, but to spend less. I'm old fashioned too. I don't use credit unless it's absolutely necessary. I prefer to plan ahead, save, and when I have enough saved, then I buy. I make the items I already have last as long as they can, rather than replacing them to have the latest version of a new thing. I've always set aside money each month to have a cushion for the bad times.
I think it's time for this old fashioned way of thinking to come back into style!
I'm really curious about how these tea-bagger people feel about Obama's recent decisions to change how military spending gets used. Isn't it about spending smarter rather than spending more?? Obama is moving in this direction. Wouldn't you rather have your tax dollars get used on education rather than unnecessary fighter jets. I'm also a little baffled by the misconception on here that rich people are conservative and don't want to pay taxes. In the bay area, most rich people are very well educated and have made their money after college. Education usually (not always) tends to make people think, therefore becoming more liberal. Look at the area's of caliifornia that tend to be more conservative(besides Orange County).. Central Valley, Fresno, Inner Empire... these are not the rich or educated folks. The trend of rich=conservative has changed.
Ray, sorry but I'm not angry. I am very optimistic about the future of America. I'll even do you one better... I am proud that we elected an African American as President. I just wish he or she had been a conservative. The reason why I choose to voice my opposition is that I want my voice to be heard. I would like to warn others who may or may not have voted for Obama that the amount of spending has gone too far. We are on a dangerous path to levels of debt that may make it much more difficult for our children to have the same quality of life that we enjoy. I don't see this tea party as a time for partisan politics or an attempt to get control back from Democrats. I see it as an opportunity to influence people of all different political parties and views about the value of responsible spending. Perhaps this could lead to more structural changes in government spending caps or restrictions. I could care less if Democrats, Republicans, or Independents are in power to implement. I know you are feeling pretty powerful right now due to your party's control over government. I can understand why you feel so threatened by these common sense ideas.
Wow...am I enlightened...no....from assessing your posts I don't think you give a rat's behind about this measure, but am trying to force feed your agenda down the throats of Pleasantonians who are trying to make ends meet and reconcile reckless spending in this state. Talk about ranting and beating a dead horse. You have an agenda and it's ignorantly biased at the very least. I am going to whisper this so no one else hears me....as for your opinion..."sshh we don't care."
To Marine Mom,
I meant to add this to my previous post....please thank your son for me...I am honored for his service to our country and the fact that he fights for poor Ray's right to free speech. We love you Marine Mom's son. Thank you for raising such a courageous and strong man.
Teabagging--an event promoted heavily by Fox News (which no longer makes them news!).
for a funny look at the subject...
How come so many people are all wrapped in this silly event? Haven't you heard that Streits has been banned in Queens & the Five Towns and all you can say is lets have a tea party? feh...
I have lots of boxes which I plan to eat, come by, I have plenty for everybody...
This is a ridiculous argument. I paid my mortgage, and I'm pissed at having to pay extra taxes because other people didn't. End - of - Story. That is why people weren't complaining during the Bush era. We weren't being penalised because of other peoples unpaid debts. To say this is a right or left thing is to completely miss the point.
People are mad because they played by the rules. Now we are getting taxed unfairly because other people didn't. Not rocket science. Wait till the car registration tax kicks in. Then lets see who is getting a middle class tax cut. Not the poor. That's for sure.
If you are taxed and you refuse to pay, you will be in deep trouble and don't you forget it!
Now, PAY UP!!!!!
Yea for the homogeneous Republicans!
ditto on the Marine Mom, my "two" sons have made the choice to protect my (and YOUR) freedom to act stupid.
....more taxation doesn't help... it only hurts the economy.
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I just want to thank the organizers & all the wonderful people we met yesterday. I was on my way to mail taxes at the post office & could not believe the crowd I saw across the street. I happened to have both my sons with me & we all walked from halfway down Black Ave. to mingle with the crowd, talk to many different people (my boys ran into at least four of their friends & their parents too)& hear what was the most interesting topic, the governments abuse of our tax dollars for what really amounts to wealth redistribution. My wife left Venezuela over seven years ago & still has family in that country. Her parents have had their entire retirement savings essentially stolen from the Chavez regime & hears weekly of the trials they are subjected to. Worst yet, she & I see the beginnings of that actually happening here. I fear for my childrens future now more than I ever did under Bush (who we are NO big fan of either!)simply because this administration seems to have no respect for the small business owner or anyone above a simple wage earner. As far as the Prop G issue, I am torn. Both my boys are in Pleasanton schools & one of the primary reasons we moved here was for the schools. I take personal insult however when our teachers have insisted our boys take ESL classes when they both speak better English than either my wife or myself! Our schools have special classes for every possible student that they feel are being "left behind." Perhaps it's time to concentrate on the ones that are succeeding & excelling in their studies than focus on a few stragglers.
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