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Original post made by Stacey, Amberwood/Wood Meadows, on Apr 6, 2009

Does anyone else have problems with downloading files from the PUSD website? Specifically, I'm trying to download and save the Board "full agenda packets" from the recent parcel tax meetings like famar0409.PDF Web Link. Adobe Acrobat says these files are damaged and cannot be repaired. It looks like PUSD's web server is Microsoft IIS-6.0 with ASP.NET. There are known problems with this kind of webserver, custom built content management websites, and PDF files. I hope PUSD fixes this!

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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Apr 6, 2009 at 12:24 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

"This code has been in production and working for a few weeks and then yesterday the client posted a new version of the PDF file and all of a sudden Acrobat started saying "There was an error opening this document. The file is damaged and could not be repaired.
...

AH! Now, is it totally obvious what's wrong? After I write the file out to the HttpResponse, the ASP.NET page continues to be rendered. BAH!

So, the solution is to add a call to Response.End() right after the BinaryWrite() and stop further processing of the ASP.NET page. Duh!"


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Posted by resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 6, 2009 at 12:30 pm

220 ... 221, whatever it takes. ;-)


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Apr 6, 2009 at 1:23 pm

I just don't understand all this technical computer stuff but I do understand that if you have to be registered to post and you know that the Editor can control your speech, how come it matters that you're a registered user? I don't understand.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Apr 6, 2009 at 3:29 pm

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The PDF files I downloaded are missing bytes according to the size they're supposed to be reported on PUSD's website. So however PUSD publishes these PDF files, they are being truncated.

Web Link
Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:30 AM 844144 famar0409.PDF
Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:31 PM 1226503 famar0509.PDF

On my computer, famar0509.pdf is only 1218228 bytes long, not 1226503.


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Posted by Russell
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Apr 6, 2009 at 9:48 pm

"It looks like PUSD's web server is Microsoft IIS-6.0 with ASP.NET"

Look at all the "index.php" strings in the URLs. Maybe it is a PHP based site, and not ASP.NET? There aren't any .aspx extensions in the URL, as there typically would be in an ASP.NET site. PW could be translating URLs so that the site appears to be PHP, but is actually ASP.NET, but I'm not sure why you think this is an issue?

"There are known problems with this kind of webserver, custom built content management websites, and PDF files. I hope PUSD fixes this!"

The link you provide has the following sentence:

"Ok. So this wasn't a bug in either IIS or ASP.NET...it was a bug in my code. ..."

It was an error in the code, not a problem with IIS 6 or ASP.NET. Are you saying that the PW programmers made the same error, namely failing to call Response.End()? Did you read that page? If PW had made the same mistake as the blogger on the link that you site, then your downloaded files would be LARGER than expected, but you show the downloaded file being SMALLER than expected on your computer, so PW couldn't have the same bug.

"On my computer, famar0509.pdf is only 1218228 bytes long, not 1226503."

To summarize, I don't know where you get the idea that PW is using ASP.NET. It appears that they are using PHP. If they have a bug with their pdf downloads, it has nothing to do with the link you provided.


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Posted by Russell
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Apr 6, 2009 at 10:06 pm

@Stacey

I missed that the download was from PUSD, and not Pleasanton Weekly, but the what I said above still applies. It can't be anything to do with the but in that blogger's code that you linked to. Your download was smaller than expected, not larger.

They also have cfm extensions in their URLs, so it appears they are using Cold Fusion. Again, they could be using ASP.NET with re-mapped URLs, but do have any reason to believe that they are, and why would it matter?


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Apr 6, 2009 at 10:17 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

PUSD's site, not PW's. Look at the response header received from PUSD's site. It identifies as Microsoft IIS-6.0/ASP.NET. My point in posting the link to some person's blog was to show that this server with ASP.NET has known issues with PDF files due to the way the site has been programmed. I can't say what PUSD's issue may be, only that whatever their server sends is having data truncated.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Apr 6, 2009 at 10:20 pm

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I wanted to know if anyone else was having issues. As I dug into it I saw that the files are truncated so others must also be having this issue. It matters because the problem with their server makes doing research on this budget issue difficult. I may contact them tomorrow to get them to correct the problem.


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Posted by Matt
a resident of Stoneridge
on Apr 6, 2009 at 11:15 pm

Stacey,

I had no problem with those PDF files. You may encounter some quirkiness w/ PDF. If you are using Windows, terminate the Acrobat processes you may have, and try it again. I have had these problem before w/ many other websites.

In most cases, these downloads are controlled by the ASP.NET framework, so you may want to contact Microsoft instead to get them fix it :)


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Posted by Sandy Piderit
a resident of Mohr Park
on Apr 6, 2009 at 11:16 pm

I have occasionally had problems the first time I tried to download a file. When I try the second time, I never have problems.

I use a Mac.


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Posted by Mary
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Apr 7, 2009 at 8:11 am

We always have trouble with our children trying to download files from the PUSD web site for their homework if they use our computer with vista on it, our older computer without vista we have no trouble. Anyone else with vista have this trouble?
PUSD has no money to fix this kind of problem so don't expect a quick fix just because you are a squeeky wheel.


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Posted by Russell
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Apr 7, 2009 at 8:55 am

The pdf download worked fine for me on the first try. I'm running Windows XP SP3 with IE 7 and Adobe reader 8.1.4.

@Stacey

Yes, I see the response headers indicate:

Server: Microsoft-IIS/6.0
X-Powered-By: ASP.NET

But it does appear to be working. Looking at the cfm extensions on the URIs, and the Microsoft-IIS/6.0 in the response header, maybe they are running a Cold Fusion server application in IIS using something like this:

Web Link

But in any case the downloads are working for at least some of us.

Have you tried anti-virus programs? Maybe you just need to upgrade your browser or Adobe pdf reader program.


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Posted by Mark Jones
a resident of Del Prado
on Apr 7, 2009 at 12:52 pm

Stacey or what ever your real name is, you are hiding behind an alias. I observe you are one of the most prolific authors of child abuse in the community. You have taken the position that our children in the PUSD are yet to be important and their education is yet to be considered important for their future. Have you ever had a child? Or gone to a school? And felt the pride of all the children gaining, growing, reaching out for more knowledge, conquering the question, finding the answer? Creating a new opportunity? Being all they can be because there is a very viable, healthy environment, fertilized with encouragement, developing self confidence where our children can excel, grow and be self sufficient and very happy. This is the PUSD school system.

Did you miss out on that opportunity? Is that why you are so angry and negative about our school system? Are you so focused on bring down the very reason we all come to Pleasanton? To give our children a wonderful experience of learning and maturing. And what gives you the fortitude to constantly consistently drag our children down?

I challenge you to go to any PUSD school and sit in the class room and see the quality, knowledge of topic, effort, delivery, support, environment, experience, safety and pleasure our children have as they attend our school system. These kids know this is the best and if they apply themselves they will be accepted in the finest advanced learning systems in the world. They are the best spellers, the best scientists, the best leaders and the best defenders of any community in America.

What gives you the right to want to take that away? To challenge the very core of their education source. Please consider taking the time to go visit a classroom, I am sure you will have to register first, and see for yourself the power of learning excellence provided by the very district you want to wrestle to the ground.

Get a real life, volunteer to be a supporter of our children. Be free of the anger to write negative thoughts from the sidelines of your life.

I am signing this with my real name Mark Jones


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Apr 7, 2009 at 1:05 pm

Stacey is a registered user.

And Mark Jones' post above to me is _precisely_ why those of us parents who are against the parcel tax wish to remain anonymous. Child abuse?!?!?! Say what?! If the parcel tax fails and the District cuts CSR and reading/math specialists, it won't be because of me!

"State deficit hits Pleasanton schools"
Web Link
"This is an unprecedented level of budget deficit for the state," Casey said. "This thing could be going on for two or three more years after the current fiscal year.

Pleasanton may be in better shape to meet one or two years of state cutbacks than other districts because the school district here has maintained a reserve fund of about 6 percent of its near-$100-million budget.


"Fiscal vision spares the ax for Pleasanton teachers, schools "
Web Link

"So why is Pleasanton in better financial shape? Say thanks to a succession of fiscally conservative school boards and a former school district financial guru, Retired Assistant Superintendent Buster McCurtain. McCurtain put any extra funds into a reserve lockbox and then held onto the key.

Pleasanton can move forward while others who let revenue slip away during the short-lived New Economy days now pay the price. "


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Posted by Parent of Two
a resident of Val Vista
on Apr 7, 2009 at 2:04 pm

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Mark,

That type of irresponsible name-calling is what is obscuring the main points of the parcel tax issue. "Child Abuse"???? I have two kids (one at Foothill, one at Hart) that have been in the PUSD since day one, and I'm against the parcel tax. Not because I'm "angry and negative about the school system", but because I think that the district (and the Teacher's union) has gotten bloated and greedy during the boom times, and is unwilling to accept some of the financial burden during this economy.

I've volunteered in the classroom, chaperoned field trips, and contributed extra monies when asked. I'm against the parcel tax because there is no GUARANTEES about where the money will go. Sure, there are "guidelines", but we've seen money be wasted (solar panels?) rather than put towards retaining teachers. And even if it was put to retaining teachers, why are they "pink-slipping" the youngest, freshest, and most enthusiastic teachers? Wouldn't it be a better investment to retain the younger teachers, who might have 30 more years in the district? But no, the union offers them up as sacrificial lambs...

So before you start ripping on the anti-tax posters, learn a little more about what is really going on, and what the real issues are, rather than parroting a politician's screed.


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Posted by wow
a resident of Walnut Hills
on Apr 7, 2009 at 6:54 pm

I'm for the parcel tax and I also agree that Stacey needs to chill out a bit on the chronic posting (simply for the reason that she monopolizes the conversation), but GEEZ Mark. Farfetched accusations such as calling her a child abuser are not doing the pro-parcel tax side any favors. Attack the ideas if you disagree with them, not the person.


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Posted by Get the facts
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 8, 2009 at 5:13 pm

To Parent of Two:

The schoold district has hardly gotten "bloated" during the "boom times". We teachers took a ZERO % increase in pay this past year, and if you haven't been paying attention in the past two weeks, we are taking a two-day decrease in pay next year, which equals out to about the amount of the parcel tax over the four years. If you live in Pleasanton, as I do, you will also be paying the parcel tax (a double-whammy).

The parcel tax is earmarked for specific things, like CSR. They are not "guidelines", they are pretty specific.

The solar panels was not money wasted, we did not buy them. I do not know all the specifics, but they were bought for us and the PUSD gets a portion of the savings.

I'm not sure it would be "a better investment to retain the younger teachers". Wouldn't it be a better investment to save those teachers who have more experience in the classroom? Nothing is more valuable than experience. And just because I am not "young", I still think I am "fresh and enthusiastic". Young teachers might have 30 years left in the district, but under your way of doing things, we wouldn't make it past year 15, because apparently the "youngest" teachers becaome the oldest, the "freshest" become the stalest, and the most "enthusiastic" because the least enthused. This is discrimination, and it is called ageism. There are many, many good older teachers with fresh ideas and truckloads of enthusiasm! I am so very frustrated by your comments on this.

"So before you start ripping on the anti-tax posters, learn a little more about what is really going on, and what the real issues are, rather than parroting a politician's screed." I suggest you practice what you preach. There is a town hall forum tonight, please go. Please also check out the PUSD FAQ section.


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Posted by doglover
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 8, 2009 at 6:47 pm

Mark Jones,
Dogs are good judges of character. I read your remarks to them. One howled, the other covered his ears with his paws. They say it's unfair that dogs are accused of having dirty mouths when people like you say such nasty things.



Get the Facts: Budget FAQ's do not include info that PUSD paid $100K to relocate solar panels at FHS because PUSD administration made big mistake. School Board voted to approve this expense during a February meeting. Email any school board member for confirmation if you don't want to go back and view school board meetings which can be time consuming.
The best teachers can be first year teachers, or teachers who have been teaching 30 years or somewhere in between. Parents are frustrated with a system that values and rewards seniority over performance. Good teachers should be too.


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Posted by Archie & Jughead
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 8, 2009 at 7:13 pm

Mark Jones,
We live with Doglover. We think our names are much more interesting than yours. We would like your address. We have a present for you.


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Posted by teacher
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Apr 8, 2009 at 8:02 pm


"The best teachers can be first year teachers, or teachers who have been teaching 30 years or somewhere in between. Parents are frustrated with a system that values and rewards seniority over performance. Good teachers should be too."

I agree, and we are! There does need to be reform. That's sort of a separate issue from what's going on locally, though, and I don't think letting class reduction, music and reading programs, counseling, maintenance, etc. deteriorate at Pleasanton schools is a way to make that type of statewide (or nationwide) reform happen. It's another battle, and many teachers would be side by side with parents to fight to change it. In the meantime, we need to support our students/children.

One other thought: those of you who like merit pay should not be opposed to column raises. They are awarded for continuing education. Doesn't that have merit?


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Posted by Parent of Two
a resident of Val Vista
on Apr 8, 2009 at 10:52 pm

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Merit raises are NOT automatic increases. When there is an objective criteria that determines the level of your pay raise (and not tenure within the union), then you can call it "reform". And it's not a separate issue, it's related to how the district spends money and whether the teacher's union is really committed to help the district save money, or merely is posturing to save face for political gain.

And it's "ageism" to unload the junior members of the faculty too. Surprised you took that bait so readily.


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Posted by teacher
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Apr 9, 2009 at 7:42 am

You missed my point. Column raises are objective criteria. They have nothing to do with tenure. They are earned for completing a certain number of units beyond your bachelor's degree. That's why I said they are in line with the idea of merit pay. I'm sure if merit pay becomes a reality, continuing education will be a way to earn a "raise" (I see it more as a partial reimbursement for education expenses spread over time).

Not sure if your second point was directed at me, as I said nothing about unloading junior members of faculty being a positive thing. In fact, the quote I copied from a previous poster said the opposite. I'd like to see a system created that keeps the best teachers and unloads the worst, but, frankly, it needs to be a system that protects teachers from the minority of unreasonable parents, students, and administrators who would have a say in their job security. Most families and administrators I have encountered in my career have been wonderful, but anyone who works with the public on a regular basis knows that there are some very unbalanced, unreasonable people out there. I'd hate to embolden that group even more to start witch hunts when they don't like the way they've been assessed, etc. It just needs to be a carefully thought out system that has some checks and balances.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Apr 9, 2009 at 8:00 am

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Teacher,

Have you read about some of the merit-pay systems proposed? They lessen the witch hunts by the unreasonable people by not making performance reviews based solely upon public perception.


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Posted by teacher
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Apr 9, 2009 at 8:20 am

I have, and I'm definitely open to those types of ideas! I think many teachers are. Just stating where the hesitation comes from because there are so many different merit pay ideas out there - each with their own flaws. Too much emphasis on test scores can also have a downside. It just needs to be a balanced system. I really hope it happens sometime in my career. Good teachers are just as frustrated by bad teachers as everyone else. They damage our credibility and make a mockery of a career we care about deeply!

Again, though, I don't think saying "no" on the parcel tax is the best way to facilitate that change - especially because it IS the newer teachers who will lose their jobs if it doesn't pass, and they are the ones who are least invested in the current system (and probably the most willing to change it!).


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Posted by Parent of Two
a resident of Val Vista
on Apr 9, 2009 at 8:53 am

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Thank you, "teacher", your points are lucid and well-stated. And it sounds like you did get my point, which is that the parcel tax is basically peeing into a hole. It isn't FIXING anything. If anything, it's perpetuating a BAD system of planning and budgeting.

Our first reaction should NOT be to simply throw money at a problem, though it appears that the district administration seems to think so. How would you feel if the federal government said "We're going to raise your taxes, and the money will all go to the corrupt banks and mismanaged car manufacturers"?

Tighten the belt FIRST, cut the deadweight (bad, not necessarily young, teachers) FIRST, cut the unnecessary expenditures FIRST.

Then come to the taxpayers so that we know we'll only be paying for the BEST teachers (not necessarily ALL the teachers) and the BEST programs (not necessarily ALL the programs). Or else you're asking us to pump money into a broken slot machine.


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Posted by Sandy
a resident of Mohr Park
on Apr 9, 2009 at 9:42 am

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I think that comparing the district administrators to corrupt banks and mismanaged car manufacturers is overly dramatic. No one has filed any charges against the district for corruption. No one has demonstrated mismanagement to the degree that we can make up the state's $8.7 million in budget cuts without hurting students.

The district has already cut $2 million from this year's operating budget. The planned elimination of 17 FTE management positions is also going to eliminate a significant amount of money. That seems like a significant amoount of belt tightening that has already taken place.

Other unnecessary expenditures? Cell phones? Car allowances? If we take away all 100 estimated cellphones, our principals won't be able to talk to our janitors if there's an intruder alert on campus. We'll save about $80,000 dollars. I don't think that's a good cost-benefit tradeoff. If we eliminate car allowances, we will save how much? Not anywhere near the millions we need to offset the cuts already made by the state. I support eliminating unnecessary expenditures, but I cannot ignore the reality that to balance the budget, necessary expenditures are also going to be eliminated.

I support some versions of merit pay, and I'd like to know more about the strengths and weaknesses of the current performance appraisal system for teachers. Demanding that those changes get implemented first (which would take at least a year) is demanding that our students live with cuts first, and then we'll try to bring the quality of their education back up to historic high levels later.

These issues must be addressed in parallel. It might seem easier to fix one problem first, and then reverse the layoffs, but it's actually a less effective approach to protecting our students. I care about my tax dollars. I just care about maintaining high quality education more.


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Posted by Get the facts
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 9, 2009 at 8:06 pm

Parent of two:

"And it's "ageism" to unload the junior members of the faculty too."

I don't think so. I didn't start teaching until I was 32, a good ten years after a "young" teacher, fresh out of school would start teaching. I had to teach at another school before I got into Pleasanton. It might be "seniorityism" or "experienceism", but it is certainly not "ageism". I have known many teachers who have started teaching later, in their 30's or 40's, I even knew one who started in his 50's.

"Surprised you took that bait so readily."
Huh? Just responding to your post. (I am soooo ashamed you tricked me so badly!!!)


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