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on Feb 5, 2009
I know how Proposition work! Both sides spent $90M total in lobbying the public. The voters have spoken. Yet, we want to spend more $'s to fight the outcome of the Proposition voting. It's a circus! If a group doesn't like the outcome, a lawsuit gets filed. Why do we bother have any proposition? This issue is a hot potato. If you speak up against it, you are bad. If you speak for it, you are bad. I say, let it be. The voters have spoken and let the issue lie where it is. If we set a precedence on this, lets not bother with anymore propositions! Someone can always come up with a legal argument against whatever the outcome! We can save our precious $'s in today's economy and put it to good use, like helping the hungry or provide more medical clinic services. Enough is Enough!
Well, I don't think a revision to the constitution should have ever been simply a "Proposition".
Yeah, YT, the majority should be able impose its will on the minority, no matter what the consequences!
Of course, it would have been nice (and saved both sides lots of $) if this Supreme Court hearing had happened _before_ the election.
YT = Young Troll
Can I tell everyone how HAPPY I am that this issue is BACK on the table. This topic makes this website SO exciting!
Like the parcel tax issue isn't controversial enough...now there's there Prop 8 battle. Woohoo!
The basic rights of a minority of people should NEVER be up for a vote. Don't you see that human nature is to oppress and control people who are not exactly like you? Can we move past this kind of behavior now? Pleeeeaaaaaase???? I want to belong to a human race that is better than we are behaving with this Prop 8 stuff. Prop 8 can and will be overturned. It's not about the will of the majority. We have the obligation to protect those who cannot protect themselves.
And, if we really don't want to go in the direction of betterment, then I propose a Proposition that bans the marriage of ugly or stupid heterosexual people. Because, those marriages really do have consequences that the rest of us have to live with.
Wow! What emotions! Millions have been spent on both sides. More millions will be spend fighting in the courts. What is the point of having any propositions or even amendment to the 'constitution'. One can always challenge it in the courts. Even an amendment can be challenged - just needs 2/3 vote to carry and a lot more money! So, we guarantee lawyers full employment for eternity while the poor and less fortunate suffer as (high profile) lawyers dine in luxury, lodge in fancy hotels, and fly first class to/from court sessions! And fraternize within the legal system!
This is the beauty of United States. There is always another battle to fight as the economy goes deeper into depression. Maybe there is bailout money to fund these court actions too!
This hate should have never reached the ballot. Where is the seperation of church and state?
I hope prop 8 is overturned, otherwise its a frightening direction we are headed. History tells what happens when a religion is allowed too much power.
I'm not gay but I find that prop 8 hitting the ballot scary, whos rights will be on the ballot next? Mine? My childrens? Yours?
I have two questions for 'Perfect World'.
You said "Don't you see that human nature is to oppress and control people who are not exactly like you"??? Is that part of Human Nature? How do you come to THAT conclusion? I am aware that human history is filled with injustices...but to take that leap and say its IN OUR NATURE as humans to oppress is a wild assumption. Maybe you should stick to stating your own opinion, and not speak for ALL humans.
You also said " We have the obligation to protect those who cannot protect themselves"... Who are we protecting, and why can't they defend themselves? Are you referring to 'gays'? Aren't you belittling them and insinuating that they (as a group) are not equal to straight people? Give them some credit. If you want to fight the battle WITH them, good. You shouldn't see it as you are fighting the battle FOR THEM...
Seriously, you have got to be kidding me if you do not see that groups of humans over the course of history constantly try to oppress one another. I am just saying that there must be some biological drive to cause us as a society to do this sort of thing.
I am not belittling in any way when I say that we must protect those who cannot protect themselves. Obviously persons who would be involved in a same sex marriage are not the majority of the population so if things such as prop 8 are put on the ballot how can a minority get the majority of the vote? Only if the rest of us do what is just. Thats all we need to do, throw this crap out of the courts and allow anyone who wants to get married to do so.
Maybe the backers of the ban on same sex marriages could put the same time, energy and money into fixing the crappy state of heterosexual marriages. 50% fail, and the rest of us pay the price dealing with their messed up kids.
It's just amazing to me that anyone really cares who gets married to one another. Amazing.
Geeeze, what a waste of time & money. The proposition was put to a vote, it passed, JUST ACCEPT IT ALREADY. I didn't vote for Obama but I'm not fighting against the fact he won. That's what the majority wanted so be it.
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"That's what the majority wanted so be it. "
So if the majority of the people vote to take away your rights then that's fine too? I am sure we could start some hateful campaign to take something away from you.
The majority has no right to make these decisions. We will win in court and the world will be a better place for the progress. You haters will die sad and unhappy. It's the only good reason you have for your views. You are miserable so you want everyone else to be.
What's next? The mother marries her son? The father marries his daughter? Why are we excluding those marriages???
Because it's WRONG! And who among us determine that it's wrong? The majority of the people in this society.
I'm sitting on the fence on the prop 8 issue but I strongly support the "majority rules" concept. It's the essence of a democratic society.
Here we go again!!!
This just could have the makings of a "popcorn thread"... :):)
If 2 same-sex humans want to make a union, go ahead and do it. That race will become extinct. Don't rely on the heterosexuals to reproduce for them so more of them will continue. One cannot have the cake and eat it at the same time. Amen!
Nivana said: "Don't rely on the heterosexuals to reproduce for them so more of them will continue."
The problem is that these people ARE allowed to adopt children and raise them as homosexuals. So they are already relying on heterosexuals to reproduce for them.
If nature truly intended for people of the same sex to form a union, as they often claim, then nature should have given every human being 2 sets of reproductive organs, that of a man and a woman.
Oops! Did I just imply a man and a woman is what nature intended??? Shame on me!
Does anybody know the names of the people who gave money for Yes on 8? I want to post a few flyers around so everybody can identify the sickies.
Yes, just call 1-968-328-7448 for a complete list.
This message is being posted for Cholo!
It is a list of Anti-Gay donors in favor of Prop. 8. Please do not support businesses.
As for sherry, look in the mirror, now flush!!!
Committees in Support & in Opposition of Prop. 8
Very very revealing!
Another post for Cholo....HOORAY!
INDIVIDUAL DONORS IN FAVOR/OPPOSITION TO PROP. 8!
EMPLOYERS OF THE DONORS ALSO LISTED...TEE HEE HEE, TEE HEE HEE...
SEEING THE NAMES IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUNNNNNNNNY...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
Pleasanton donors in support of Prop. 8...naughty naughty...
Well well well, it seems that there are some HIGH ROLLERS living in Plutonia! hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahah...
It is absolutely pathetic that names of people who feel strongly about an issue are being named in newspapers. Didn't newspapers in the south at one time publish names of young black men accused (usually falsely accused) of crimes so the lynch mobs wouldn't be bored on some Saturday night. This is no different. When will they start publishing the names, hometowns and amount owed for deadbeat parents? Or, hey, what about listing divorces like they do marriages?
for cholo: donors of more that a hundred thousand in favor of Prop. 8:
Californians Against Hate.
Cholo will return to CA at the end of March, 2009.
What these losers (as the vote goes) don't seem to understand is that their sleazy hateful games in trying to intimidate pro-8 folks by naming local names doesn't make any sense as:
1) It turns people off so it's counter productive.
2) It also would cause the exposure, publishing, boycott, etc in the other direction. There are some local anti-8 sole proprietors, real estate folks, chiros, computer techs, etc who could easily be named and economically harmed as well.
What a pathetic and weak-minded exercise.
Post the names of the anti-8 supporters.
What is fair for one is fair for all.
I don't get it? Why is it BAD for anyone to be on the list? If you believe in something, enough to donate your hard earned cash...Why should anyone be ashamed? What happened to people "saying what you believe"...and "believing what you say"?
I say if you donated...be proud that you were on the winning side this time. If you cared enough to donate 5-10-even 20 Thousand dollars....then you must feel really stong about the topic. You should want to defend your beliefs...don't get scared NOW...
Thank you for sharing your money and your names!
"I'm sitting on the fence on the prop 8 issue but I strongly support the "majority rules" concept. It's the essence of a democratic society."
Majority rules is not the essence of a democratic society. In fact, no civil rights issue has ever been resolved with the "concept" as you call it. Perhaps one of those smart kids from Amador can school you in the area of the Constitution, Bill of Rights and plain ol' democracy in general. Majority rules is not how it works. I am sure you are fine with that because you are probably part of the majority, and well, yeah, it works for the majority. Sometimes the majority is not very smart and thankfully we have a judicial system that will - eventually - protect us from the will of the majority.
God is pretend and the bible is just a book, please stop trying to make up rules for all of us based on your fairy tales. You should try to practice what you preach just a little bit instead.
Who by the way is "for all"? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
Again, I would like to offer an olive branch to the donors in suppport of Prop. 8...creeps!
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