Posted by js, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Jan 16, 2009 at 1:48 pm
In response to "Clean up after your dog"
I too would love to see dog owners be more responsible about cleaning up after their dog(s). I have often thought about what words would motivate such dog owners to be more responsible. All I have is "please pick up your dogs poop."
I recently spent time cleaning up tracked in dog poop from my house and had to throw away my child's boots because the material would not wash properly.
We walk to school and see numerous piles, just waiting to be stepped in.
I've been a dog owner and always picked up the poop. When I ran out of bags I would go back and pick it up...It's just the right thing to do and actually very simple.
I appreciate the "Clean up after your dog" letter. I truly hope it works to clean up our town.
Posted by Another Gatetree Resident, a member of the Amador Valley High School community, on Jan 16, 2009 at 2:28 pm
As a dog owner who is responsible, I get totally frosted when I see other people walking their dogs with nothing in tow to clean up with. It gives those of us who are responsible a bad name and frankly, I resent that!
As for a good line -- I like to use, "Would you walk away and leave that in your own backyard? Can I follow you home to validate?"
That seems to work from a shame factor, if nothing else.
Posted by Julie, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jan 16, 2009 at 2:56 pm Julie is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
I'm a dog owner and agree 100% with everything that has been said. I'd like to add something though: "And clean up after your CATS or keep them INSIDE". My dogs must be leashed (i.e. with me) whenever outside, I do clean up their poop (though don't allow them to poop on private residences in the first place), and if they bark I am responsible to ensure that they don't disturb anyone. All of that is fine. I am simply tired of the cat poop on my front lawn, the paw marks up my freshly washed car, etc. My kids always have understood that they need to be careful on the backyard lawn as it's our dog(s)' bathroom. Unfortunately, they also have to be careful on the front lawn too. Gross, but dogs tend to like to eat cat poop so I also have to be careful if I do escort them out onto the front lawn. I really don't understand why cats, unlike dogs, are allowed to roam free without any restrictions wrecking havoc on other people's property.
Posted by sl, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jan 16, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Kudos to all of the above. As a dog owner, I am tired of seeing "responsible pet owners" walking their dogs on a long leash and letting them poop and pee on peoples' front lawns. Not only don't these owners pick up after their dogs on lawns and grass but also on gravel and tan bark. You only have to walk in the parks and on trails, including right next to trash receptacles and have to constantly watch where you tread. There is no excuse for not carrying trash bags. The pet stores have cute ones to attach to a dog's lead. Also perhaps the City could provide containers with bags like some other cities do, in parks and on trails. Regarding cats - some owners believe that outside cats don't require litter boxes and their neighbors' flower beds and lawns suffice.
Posted by The Jackal, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Jan 16, 2009 at 7:56 pm
I once heard that cats don't relieve themselves in their own yard but rather another yard. This supposedly is to mark the territory beyond their own home. . .can anyone confirm they have observed this?
If so the only revenge to your neighbors cats going in your yard is to get a cat yourself to return the favor.
Posted by Annalisa, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jan 17, 2009 at 3:56 pm
I walk my dog and clean up after her. While we walk through Pleasanton parks, I see crap all over, and sometimes step in it. I've noticed that some dog owners like to pretend that it's okay to leave dog crap in areas that aren't manicured. For instance, there is a path that runs alongside Harvest Park Middle School. It's paved and on one side there is ivy, leaves, trees, etc., not manicured grass. There is always dog crap in there. I suppose the narcissist's thinking is...no one walk there, so it's okay to leave the crap. Well, kids don't stay on the paved path, kids run everywhere, and you have ruined a kid's day when they step in your dog's crap. The same goes for the semi-wild park at the end of Mohr Ave. Because it's not a manicured area, there is loads of crap from narcissist's dogs. It's a great area for kids to run around, but they're going to pay for their fun.
I walked my dog at a park off Harvest Drive recently. There were many gentlemen of retirement age walking their dogs. I noticed that these men left behind many large piles of steaming dog crap as they walked on home. I know they come from a generation when people didn't clean up after their dogs, but they must realize that children are going to step in the excrement. Obviously, they don't care.
I do not enjoy picking up after my dog. It's gross, but remembering how bad it felt when I was a kid and stepped in dog crap keeps me doing it.
Posted by Bob, a resident of the Highland Oaks neighborhood, on Jan 17, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Pleasanton needs to pass some ordinance to deal with these problems. Dogs should be confined to designated dog run area in selected parks and not let loose into the kids area of our parks. It's insanitary and DANGEROUS for our kids to roll around in grass that were pooped and pee'd on by pets. It's disgusting and a health risk. Keep dogs in dog run area!!!
Posted by Bob, a resident of the Highland Oaks neighborhood, on Jan 17, 2009 at 5:08 pm
I love dogs but unless dog owners bring some anti-bacterial/anti-viral sanitizers and bleach with them to clean out the poop and pee, dog owners should NOT allow their pets to use our park as a public toilet for their pets...PERIOD. Just picking up the poop doesn't eliminate the health risk it poses to others.
Posted by Kurt Kummer, a resident of the Highland Oaks neighborhood, on Jan 17, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Bob, there are already ordinances on the books that cover these things. Dogs in Pleasanton are not to be off leash except in certain designated plases like the dog exercise area in Muirwood Park. Dogs are not allowed to run free in city parks, or on city trails, and dog owners are to clean up after their dogs. The question is how to enforce those laws. Do we have the P.D. sit in parks and write tickets? That's probably not the best use of their time. And not many of us would want to get into confrontations with our neighbors about it. So what is the best way to educate folks? Any suggestions?
Posted by Claudette McDermott, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Jan 19, 2009 at 10:26 am
Yes, I'm with the gang here that is really tired of picking up dog & cat poop in my corner yard lot. I've sat in my car after pulling up to my house watching a walker while he would let his dog sniff and wander on my lawn waiting to see if the dog would "let loose" of something. Wondering if he brought something to put it in.... Once he spotted me he left. **I walk my dog quickly, because I am walking her for exercise, not to go to the bathroom. Yes, dogs & cats should be using their own home to do these things. It's not hard to make sure your dogs eliminate waste before their walk. It is impossible if you let your cat roam the world. Cats should be an indoor pet unless walked on leashes just like dogs. They can be just as destructive.
Posted by Another Gatetree Resident, a member of the Amador Valley High School community, on Jan 20, 2009 at 11:42 am
If we're going to go nuts about where dogs can and can not venture in PUBLIC parks, then I would also suggest we start ticketing the kids who like to pee along the back fence on the Amador High School Sports Field. When PEOPLE can't use proper facilities in an appropriate manner, how can we ever expect them to do the same for their dogs.
Posted by westsider, a member of the Foothill High School community, on Jan 20, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Hi 'another gatetree resident.' Just a quick clarification from your post: when you say 'if we're going to go nuts about where dogs can and can not venture in PUBLIC parks...' are you suggesting that it's OK for dogs to go off-leash in the parks?
Posted by Another Gatetree Resident, a member of the Amador Valley High School community, on Jan 20, 2009 at 1:52 pm
"Westsider" -- Absolutely dogs should be on lead unless in a designated and fenced dog park. I am a true believer in leashes -- as protection of the dogs on various fronts.
My comment was in response to Bob's posts and his over-the-top statements that dogs only be allowed in a "designated dog run area in selected parks." My intent was to compare this and his "anti-bacterial/anti-viral sanitizers and bleach" comment to the fact that HUMAN BEINGS think it's okay to piss up against a common fence line when attending sports events at Amador rather than walk to a bathroom or porta-potty. If we can't get humans to do what is appropriate with THEMSELVES and their elimination, how can we expect them to do right by their dog?
Posted by Julie, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jan 20, 2009 at 3:23 pm Julie is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
I disagree that dogs should be relegated ONLY to "designated dog run areas". For goodness sakes, we are already required to have them on leashes. I live near Tawny Park - there is no "designated dog area" but I enjoy walking my dogs there. Parks aren't just for *kids* - for example, Tawny Park has a climbing area that's obviously for children, but what about the huge expanse of grass? That should be for everyone to enjoy with either their kids or pets or both.
And the sanitizer idea is a complete JOKE... Bob, do you think that dogs are the only wildlife that urinate/defecate in public parks? Do you expect squirrels, birds, raccoons, etc. to remain only in "designated areas" as well? I've never let my kids consider the grass as "clean" - I've seen *people* vomit on it, spit on it, leave food to rot on it, etc. You walk in the STREET and SIDEWALK before getting to the grass - do you think the streets and sidewalks are sanitary? And remember, people are not required to keep their CATS on leashes or indoors. Childcare centers are required to cover their sandboxes because cats use them as toilets. If you are THAT concerned with cleanliness I suggest you stay inside!
Posted by Bob, a resident of the Heritage Oaks neighborhood, on Jan 20, 2009 at 6:26 pm
The city should begin to enforce those leash laws and issues citations to people for not keeping their dogs on a leash or allowing their pets to urinate/defecate in public (including parks and people's lawn). The fines from these citations should be more than enough to support the extra enforcement.
Phone numbers should also be posted in the parks for people to report offenders. Harsher penalties should be enforced for multiple offenders. Through these actions, we can begin to keep our parks and streets free of pets' waste. Alternatively, we should outlaw dogs in public parks altogether, with the exception of those that are designated for dogs. If pet owners cannot be responsible enough to let their pets finish their business before taking them in public, then they should pay up.
Posted by Another Gatetree Resident, a member of the Amador Valley High School community, on Jan 21, 2009 at 4:51 am
Bob stated: "If pet owners cannot be responsible enough to let their pets finish their business before taking them in public, then they should pay up."
Again I will point out that there are HUMAN BEINGS who believe it is okay to piss up against a common fence line when attending sports events at Amador High School rather than walk to a bathroom or porta-potty. If we can't get humans to do what is appropriate with THEMSELVES and their elimination, how can we expect them to do right by their dog?
Would the same citation principle hold true for these folks as for the dog walking offenders? Would public urination be considered an offense worth citing? Would each additional citation for public wiener exposure and relief be increased?
Better yet, will the offenders numbers be posted in parks? Who knows, after exposure, some might find they have a new career ahead of them in porn.
Posted by Dog Owner, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jan 21, 2009 at 9:45 am
Bob, Great plan! Where else has this been successful? I have never heard of a city or town executing a harsh crack-down on pet owners. And just to be clear, are you suggesting that the city of Pleasanton hire additional police officers exclusively for pet detail. What about after they place an officer at each and every park in Pleasanton on rotating 24 hour shifts. After awhile the tickets and fines will be eliminated by their presence, right? Then where will the funds come from? Anyways, does anyone know how many parks are in this beautiful city?
Why don't you put a little more thought into this subject and then get back to us, Bob.
Posted by ravanza, a resident of the Danbury Park neighborhood, on Jan 22, 2009 at 1:36 pm ravanza is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
I was walking my dogs in Orloff park today and was offended by the amount of dog poop that I saw on the sidewalk. I was contemplating a stern letter to the editor, but I see that you guys beat me to it. I just want to add my two cents worth which is that it is NOT that hard to pick up after your dog and if it is too much (or too icky) for the owner to do it, then they don't deserve to have a dog. I figure that a person who doesn't pick up after the dog in a park probably doesn't take care of it in other ways, either.
Posted by Dog Owner, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jan 22, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Some people are mad at the ones that don't pick up after their dog, and it sounds like others are just mad at the animals 'going' in the parks in general. After reading this thread, I feel like its us (dog owners) against them (non-owners). That is not the way it should be. This is a GREAT community. I want to give other owners an idea worth trying. When you visit the park, just bring extra bags with you. When you come across some poop, pick it up. Even if its not yours. The park near my home is visited by all of the neighborhood children...and dogs. I don't try to 'clean the park' but if I see some, then I pick it up. I don't want my kids getting in it, and I don't wish that on anyone either. It doesn't take much time and there is trash bins every twenty feet. As an owner, I can't expect a non-owner to stoop down and pick up poop. I am already equipped with bags and a feeling of responsibility. If others started doing this, then Pleasanton parks would be clean enough for everyone.
Posted by Another Gatetree Resident, a member of the Amador Valley High School community, on Jan 23, 2009 at 4:41 am
"Dog Owner" -- I also do the same. While it frosts me to pick up after some other lazy-(_!_) dog owner, I also feel I'm doing my small part for the community. However, I still believe if we have parents and their kids urinating in public at large sporting events, we can likely assume these same individuals -- if dog owners -- are the ones leaving their crap (pardon the pun) behind.
Posted by A Dog and Cat Owner, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jan 29, 2009 at 9:56 am
This whole conversation is absolutely hilarious. Let's just put diapers on our dogs and lock our cats in our houses. I truly believe it will be impossible to train a dog to not go while on a walk. Their instinctive nature tells them to mark their spot. They also need daily excercise. I've always told my kids that if they are going to roll around in the grass whether it be at home or at a park to not put their hands near their face or eat until they've been able to wash their hands. Plain and simple. As for our cats (and we have 2), they are allowed to roam outside during the day. And yes, as I garden around my house I do step in cat poo and yes it is a pain and smells bad. There are 4 cats living across the street and they too go in our yard. Let animals be animals!
Posted by Another Gatetree Resident, a member of the Amador Valley High School community, on Jan 29, 2009 at 10:28 am
A Dog and Cat Owner;
No one is stating animals can't be animals. They are simply stating they should be cleaned up after -- especially when allowed to do their business in public parks. How tough is carrying a bag and taking responsibility for what your animal leaves behind?
You may find the conversation hilarious, but your position is frightening to me.
Posted by A Dog and Cat Owner, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jan 29, 2009 at 11:46 am
Maybe my comments were a little harsh (my apologies) I too pick up after my pets and others and I tend to carry more than 1 plastic bag on my walks. I've even been picking up trash if it's not too nasty and a trash can is nearby. I'm sorry that you have to put up with the rude behavior of students during AVHS games. There really isn't any excuse for their actions.