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Insurance officials begin their own investigation into fire

Original post made on Dec 24, 2008

Pleasanton police are working through the holidays on what may become a criminal investigation in the house fire on East Angela Street that left a woman with second- and third-degree burns and displaced two families. Sgt. Jim Knox declined to discuss details of the investigation, but said the fire does have a 'suspicious' nature.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 4:15 PM

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Posted by Curious
a resident of Bonde Ranch
on Dec 24, 2008 at 9:00 am

This fire was suspicious from the beginning yet our community overlooked that and rose to the occasion to help this family. I commend Pleasanton for their generosity. As the facts begin to unravel, is anyone who helped this family upset? I sure would be...


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Posted by Downtowner
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 24, 2008 at 9:13 am

Is that $74,000 a typo or was this some sort of inside deal? Obviously the home is (was) worth $1 million or so.


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Posted by interested Ptown resident
a resident of Birdland
on Dec 24, 2008 at 9:56 am

NO that $74,000 price tag in NOT a typo according to public records! And the house is worth $948,000!
What is the real story here???
Still my heart goes out to the family.


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Posted by Irritated
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Dec 24, 2008 at 9:59 am

I don't appreciate the negativity that is being spread about the "suspicious nature" of this fire. Does anyone even stop to think that the Zuffa kids may be reading what you are posting??? And as someone who knows and was involved in helping them out do I feel upset???...no because what I did was, ultimately, for the kids and because I wanted to. You give because you want to...yo shouldn't give to someone in need with conditions attached.


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Posted by Curious
a resident of Bonde Ranch
on Dec 24, 2008 at 10:48 am

To Irritated-Obviously, you have a big heart and I hope you never lose that. However, these "kids" are now old enough to begin to realize that one needs to take responsibility for their actions. I am a person who gives, however, I would be very upset if I gave to someone who in a big way may have contributed to their own horrible situation.


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Posted by Irritated
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Dec 24, 2008 at 11:05 am

To Curious...the kids are 17 and 12 to be exact and while I don't disagree that they are old enough to understand having to take responsibilty for one's actions but should they also have to be subjected to the constant fodder about whether or not their parents are in some way responsible for this?? When the investigation concludes and the "truth" comes out THAT will be the time for them to possibly have to deal. But right now they just need a roof over their heads and some good will to get them through each day. If you have to think hard before you give or you are afraid of having "gift regret" then don't give.


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Posted by Irritated
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Dec 24, 2008 at 11:30 am

And since when is it okay to make the children pay for the sins or alleged sins of their parents or family members?


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Posted by Come on..
a resident of Pleasanton Middle School
on Dec 24, 2008 at 12:03 pm

We do not know anything at this point, suspicious or not. When the investigation is complete everyone will know what happened and then maybe it'll stop the comments that are being made here..

As someone who has been in contact with the family and who has helped out, I am disheartened with the comments that have been made here.. I respect everyones right to have an opinion and to voice it. But what is hard to swallow is that the speculation is just that right now, speculation, thats it..

Maybe if you had to see what the comments do to the family firsthand you would think twice about what you are saying on here.It's so easy to sit here and type away your thoughts, but for those of us who have given time to this family, who care about them, you're not only hurting the Zuffa's, you're knocking the air out of every single person who has given to this family without having the facts..

And I know what you're going to say next.. What IF this turns out to be something "suspicious"?.. Well then, I would have to say for myself that I don't regret one bit what I have done to help this family..I can say that because I went in not thinking about the "what if's" and "why's", only that this family almost lost their Mom, that the house is only a shell now, one that held many memories and valuables to this family.. It's hard to think that someone would do that voluntarily.. And you don't need call me out on that last statement either, anything is possible.. I know.

It would be upsetting to me if anything came out of this as being "suspicious", but I did what I did to help the way I know how to and won't spend time worrying about it..It's not my place.. I can't speak for everyone who has given, but I can speak for myself on it.. The bigger picture for me is that I helped when somebody needed it, anything after that is out of my hands...




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Posted by Onlooker
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Dec 24, 2008 at 2:06 pm

Whether you agree about the fire being suspicious or not, the fact of the matter regarding monetary gifts is that they are NOT needed by this family. They have been and continue to be supported by an incredibly generous family member. What the boys need at this time is love and prayers to assist with easing them through this obviously difficult time.


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Posted by Curious
a resident of Bonde Ranch
on Dec 24, 2008 at 2:16 pm

I commend Irritated and all those who have given so generously. That is something I could not do. I have some experience with this type of situation and the emotions at the beginning is what drives the generosity. Yes, it's all speculation at this point but the facts are that there is an ongoing criminal investigation. Onlooker, you nailed it...those boys are going to need lots of love and prayers to get through today, tomorrow and the rest of their lives.


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Posted by Agree
a resident of Birdland
on Dec 24, 2008 at 2:31 pm

Curious-You are right. What do we know so far...house in was foreclosed upon, fire that was so out of control in mere seconds it spread to an adjoining house, and police that say, "fire appears to be suspicious and so we're looking further into that". I think this information takes it out of the speculating category.


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Posted by Caution
a resident of Birdland
on Dec 24, 2008 at 3:38 pm

Tread very lightly here folks. If you are not involved in the incident or the investigation, your opinion is empty and you lack any qualification to be discussing it publically. We are a strong community and will continue to rise up for this family, regardless of the circumstances of their need. Please find it in your heart to extinguish your torches until the needs of these children can be met, and the facts can be made public. We are Pleasanton, and will show our compassion and integrity by addressing need before blame, every time. Just watch....


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Posted by Read the article again
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 24, 2008 at 10:59 pm

Read the article again, folks.

From the article:
"Records show the home, located at 839 E. Angela, was sold for $74,000 in a foreclosure sale Sept. 30 to Marilyn and Richard Greenberg and it's unclear the relationship the Greenbergs have with the Zuffa family, which lives there."

So... It looks like the Zuffas didn't own the house. They were just living there. Someone else bought the house for $74K when it was in foreclosure. The Zuffas just resided there. No one should feel badly about helping the Zuffas. Until proven otherwise, they were the victims. They're probably trying to stay afloat somewhere else now. The poor woman is still in the hospital.


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Posted by Read the article again
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 24, 2008 at 11:00 pm

Thanks, Caution, for your thoughful comment earlier.


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Posted by Seriously?
a resident of Country Fair
on Dec 24, 2008 at 11:12 pm

Read the article again: Are you serious? Nice denial.


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Posted by confused
a resident of Vineyard Hills
on Dec 25, 2008 at 1:13 am

I'm confused. What is it that people are speculating happened here? Is there a thought that the family that resided in the house did something to the house because it was foreclosed on or is there a thought that something else was going on? I'm genuinely confused.

From the little I can tell, it seems that the Zuffa's didn't own the house and that they might have been a tenant and then the house was foreclosed on which mean they become a tenant of the new owners by default. Sometimes tenants in these situations don't even know the house was foreclosed on until the new owners or the bank contacts them with notice. So it's hard to say what the Zuffa's knew if they were in fact tenants or if they were given any sort of notice.

I would say that I find it hard to believe that someone would do something to a house on purpose and put themselves at risk for 2nd and 3rd degree burns in the process. I can think of very few other injuries that would be as painful and that would leave the type of scars this woman will probably have. It just doesn't make sense to me. I think this family deserves the benefit of the doubt until someone can produce evidence that they somehow contributed to this as even if someone had a death wish, why on earth would anyone harm themselves this way.

Regardless, the children are victims. No matter what the parents may or may not have been up to, the children are powerless and deserve the support of their community.


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Posted by OOCspending
a resident of Fairlands Elementary School
on Dec 25, 2008 at 7:52 am

Well, thank heaven Pleasanton voted to spend money on that 3rd fire station to match the number of fires we have per year!


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Posted by annonymous
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 25, 2008 at 11:46 am

Next time you need a first responder for a medical emergency, you can reflect on that comment! Or the close call that gets put out, or the traffic accident that doesn't burst into flames because they were there. or the time your relative had a stroke and you needed them, or the kid that gets stuck in a tree!

I have seen them in action! Thanks for making sure we are safe!
Merry Christmas!


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Posted by Caution
a resident of Birdland
on Dec 25, 2008 at 12:12 pm

OOC, that is an interesting comment, coming from someone who lives in a neighborhood with a long established fire station. Perhaps we should curb that out-of-control spending by closing Station 3 and handing your fire services off to a more distant station. We'll just hope none of those 3 fires per year occur in your neighborhood, and that the men who show up to fight them don't have as sarcastic a view of your burning home as you do of funding their ability to fight it.


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Posted by June
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 25, 2008 at 6:43 pm

The kids 'being subjected to constant fodder' doesn't make sense to me. The kids don't have to come to here and read. It's that easy. The Pleasanton Town Square Forum would be the last thing my kids would read. I can't imagine why the Zuffa children would come to this site at all, let alone continuously, especially if it was upsetting to them.
I also don't understand why anyone would be upset about helping the Zuffa family. It's certainly not the children's fault that this fire occurred. Also, I am sure the parents did not intend to start a fire. I would not be surprised to discover that they were not using great judgement, and taking unnecessary risks, but we all mess up. Some of us get lucky and don't suffer because of our mistakes, and some of us are not so lucky.


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Posted by bob
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Dec 25, 2008 at 10:51 pm

The comments of the police officials seem to indictare more than a "mess up". I agree with the last statement inquiring why a 17 and 12 year old would be ready the Weekly blogs. They obviously have bigger issues.


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Posted by Honestly
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Dec 26, 2008 at 9:18 am

See? Everyone was bashing those who were skepital about the cause of the fire. No one's house just blows up like that from a gas leak.

Honestly.


thank you,
Jessica


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Posted by Jessica
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Dec 26, 2008 at 9:20 am

PS: I have to agree with Bob. I don't know why a 12 year old would have any business on the internet-- and a 17 year old should be able to handle it. It's nothing he hasn't heard since the fire...


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Posted by Downtowner
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 26, 2008 at 11:39 am

My comments about the investigation are targeted at the somewhat superficial and incurious reporting by the Weekly, not at the Zuffas, the owner(s), or anyone else. I donated to the Zuffas and do not regret doing so, and I hope for the recovery of their mother. No matter how rich they or their family might be, this is a tragedy and will be very traumatic to all of them.

But it looks like the Weekly buried a sentence about the foreclosure in the middle of the story, did not bother to mention whether the previous owner was the Zuffas or another owner (i.e. they were tenants), or try to interview anyone about the ownership/foreclosure/sale aspect of the case, or about what appears to be a sale at vastly less than the fair market value of the house. That's just sloppy and inadequate reporting.

And remember that if there was in fact arson, it is just as possible that the Zuffas were the target or innocent victim as otherwise.


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Posted by stayhomedad
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 26, 2008 at 11:46 am

Enough about the Zuffa's...Lets have some conversations about the family that lived on next door to them. That family lost their home for at least 3 months. How do you think their Christmas was? Has anyone offered them any help? I guess I'm just saying, lets not forget ALL of the victims of this (alleged) accident.


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Posted by Bob
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Dec 26, 2008 at 12:00 pm

To Stay at home Dad. Considering you don't work, you would probably be the best person to begin a fund for the displaced neighbor. If you feel that badly about them do something about it.


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Posted by stayhomedad
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 26, 2008 at 12:32 pm

Who.....me?? Come on now Bob, I can tell by your smart ass comment that you know I'm in no position to help. I hope you feel alittle better after pointing that out. My intent was to bring the other victims into light, since nobody has mentioned them. I wasn't trying to pick a fight with anyone. I forgot thats what people like you do here.
Its the Holidays Bob, the New Year is coming soon...why don't you try to turn over a new leaf in '09. Life is too short to carry such resentments Bob.
Merry Christmas...


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Posted by Julie
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 26, 2008 at 3:42 pm

Julie is a registered user.

stayhomedad, I think it's nice that you pointed out that there are multiple victims in this fiasco. I'm sure this fire has been hard on multiple families!


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Posted by Reader
a resident of another community
on Dec 26, 2008 at 7:04 pm

Does anyone have an update on Deonna Zuffa's condition? Several of you claim to be in contact with the Zuffa family!


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Posted by wow!!
a resident of Dublin
on Dec 26, 2008 at 8:45 pm

i was NOT expecting to read the kind of comments being made on this story at all!!

how sad that this kind of tragedy can bring out such ugliness in people..

i hope that the family is coping as best as they can during the holidays without their wife/mother. i hope that the extended family is supporting the father and the boys the best way they can while mom is in the hospital with 2nd/3rd degree burns.

my prayers are with the zuffa family as well as other families that were displaced because of the fire.


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Posted by Astonished
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 26, 2008 at 10:52 pm

I am astonished at the nastiness of the Pleasanton folks! Does wealth and comfort bring this out in people?! You should be ashamed of your pious judgements of things you know nothing about - I sure hope none of you are MY friends!


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Posted by Scared/Suspicious
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Dec 27, 2008 at 12:12 pm

I think the neighbors are more scared than nasty! Until the actual cause of the fire is found, I think we are all afraid this could happen to any of us. The house actually blew up! I don't know anything about gas leaks but I know that the vapors from gasoline are highly explosive. The family had multiple race cars and related supplies/equipment. The family hobby never seemed appropriate for such a high density housing area. What are the codes for storing these materials?

Also, is it just a lucky coincidence that the two family dogs had just been taken to the groomers before the fire?


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Posted by Next door
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Dec 27, 2008 at 10:44 pm

My children and I lived next door . I am typing this note from a hotel . I have no idea how this fire started but I do know at some point we will find out. It is upsetting for our East Angela St neighbors on many levels . A woman was badly injured and the cause of the fire remains unknown. Take it easy on each other this will get sorted out . Those of you who have helped the boys do so no doubt with the best of intentions . Take care of your loved ones you just never know what a day may bring


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Posted by Marilyn
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Dec 28, 2008 at 10:38 am

I have suffered second and third degree burns and know that I would not wish that to happen to my worst enemy. Mrs Zuffa is suffering terribly and is probably also in mental pain because she cannot be with her family. If what some of you are speculating cames to be true. What kind mental breakdown could bring a person to act that way. Mental pain can make you do many things you might not think you would do. For all of you who have stable mental health be happy, you could hit rock bottom at any time. Think about and don't be so smug.


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Posted by Disgusted
a resident of Livermore
on Dec 28, 2008 at 7:58 pm

OK.... This one is for "HONESTLY" otherwise known as Jessica! first of all where did you get your facts? yes a house can blow up from a gas leak...duh! there are several things, that if there is a gas leak in the home that could cause the house to blow...... 1. if there is a leak the heater clicking on 2. The Telephone ringing there is a connection with wires that will cause a spark 3. a lighter lighting 4. a match being lit...... should I go on? to all you ignorant people that actually think that these people could or would put themselves or their children in danger there is something wrong with you..... and for you people that think that the children don't have access to the internet HELLO people that is what most 12 and 17 yr olds do these days.... and they are just as curious about what peaple are saying as you are or you wouldn't be here making your "Stupid" comments about their family! and if you weren't so quick to judge and write bad things about their parents then they wouldn't have to read them RIGHT??


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Posted by Thankyou jessica
a resident of The Knolls
on Dec 28, 2008 at 10:22 pm

you are so correct Jessica!!!


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Posted by Jessica
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Dec 29, 2008 at 11:37 am

Disgusted: First off, please do not put words into my mouth. I am in no way saying that someone purposely set this house afire. I am merely saying that this specific fire was not a gas explosion-- If it had been, all the headlines (especially more recent) would have put the rumors to rest, calling it a gas explosion, not suspicious. The reasons you have given for a natural gas leak to occur are completely unrealistic with an investigation like this one. With all these on-going investigations, I believe it's pretty routine to rule out the potential options you provided.

Secondly, in no way am I ignorant. Whatsoever. I pride myself in making un-biased decisions and being fully knowlegable before I make those decisions.

Thirdly, I'd like to comment on this portion of the post you wrote:
"..... and for you people that think that the children don't have access to the internet HELLO people that is what most 12 and 17 yr olds do these days...."

I'm not saying children don't have access to the internet.

If you read what I wrote:
(Posted by Jessica, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Dec 26, 2008 at 9:20 am

PS: I have to agree with Bob. I don't know why a 12 year old would have any business on the internet--"

You'll see here, that I never once said that children have no access to the internet. I said that a 12 year old has no BUSINESS being on the internet. I stand by that whole-heartedly. Where are these parents who allow their young children to be online unsupervised? It's disgusting what's out there on the web, it's a shame to taint childrens'lives by not monitoring internet use.

That's all I'm saying. No fights, no arguments.


And to Next Door: Stay strong. I have to admit the thought didn't even occurr to me how the family next door is doing. I wish you all the best and my thoughts are with you.


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Posted by Merciful Mom
a resident of Livermore
on Dec 29, 2008 at 12:26 pm

To Jessica who claims that she is well informed and writes,"I said that a 12 year old has no BUSINESS being on the internet. I stand by that whole-heartedly. Where are these parents who allow their young children to be online unsupervised?" ...In this case, his mother is fighting for he life with 2nd and 3rd degree burns and his father is probably trying to balance going to work to pay for the family expense as well as tremendous medical care his wife now needs, traveling to and from the hospital in San Francisco to his her. In his "free time" he is probably trying to spend time with his children, buying food, cooking meals, & sleeping. This family is in the midst of a tragedy no matter what the cause and NO ONE should be pointing blame and spreading nasty rumors, but reaching out to help them.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 29, 2008 at 1:39 pm

According to public records -I have no way to verify if they are accurate, but this is what those records show: the Zuffa family bought the house in 1998. Public records show there was some refinancing, and at some point when they refinanced again, the Greenberg Trust acted as lender, and recently in september 2008, title transferred from the Zuffas to the Greenbergs - sale amount shown is 75K.

Whether that is accurate or not, I do not know, that is what public records show.

I do not think that the Zuffas were in any way responsible for this fire. We should all continue to show our support for them. They are going through a tragedy, with the mom in the hospital and now without a place to live.

Maybe the PW should do a thorough article so we can all put rumors to rest and this community can figure out how to properly help the family.


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Posted by Neighbor
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Dec 29, 2008 at 4:20 pm

After reading this and seeing all the speculation and the "did she or didn't she", I can say that it is a fact that the fire was NOT a natural gas leak. Arson investigators have said that as much as 10-15 gallons of gasoline were soaked into the baseboards of the home prior to it catching it on fire and that by the actions of the fire there were possibly other accelerants involved as well. This house fire was not an accident, as much as people may wish that it was, it was intentionally set.

I think everyone just needs to take a step back, focus on their own families, and be thankful that they still have a house to come home to everyday instead of continuing to sling mud back and forth at each other.


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Posted by Thanks Neighbor
a resident of Bonde Ranch
on Dec 29, 2008 at 6:37 pm

Thank you for clarifying what you know, Neighbor. I don't think people are slinging mud as much as we just want to know what happened both out of curiousity sake and to prevent a similar accident if this was accidental.


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Posted by Explorer
a resident of Mission Park
on Dec 29, 2008 at 6:39 pm

Neighbor, where did this information come from? Did you get it from an official source? Has anyone heard what part of the house blew up first? Does anyone have any information on how Mrs. Zuffa's recovery is progressing? Burns can be really awful and she is in a great hospital. I hope the Pleasanton Weekly has an update article this week. And, I hope the neighbors are getting the help they need to start the rebuilding of their lives!


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Posted by One of many Moms
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 29, 2008 at 6:44 pm

Get a clue PW bloggers - kids are on the internet far more than watching tv.

The PMS system demands excessive internet time: homework is on the internet, research projects required the internet (this stuff cannot be foudn at library), grades and other instructions are on the internet.

Get real you cannot possibly supervise every second of internet use when it is not for fun but for school!!


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Posted by Reality will set in
a resident of Bonde Ranch
on Dec 29, 2008 at 7:09 pm

There is a criminal investigation going on. I'm hoping that the Zuffa family is preparing their teenagers for what lies ahead for them. They know the truth. What they read on this blog is quite possibly mild compared to what the truth may be and the consequences to be faced by whoever may have been involved in this potentially criminal activity.


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Posted by rumors abound
a resident of Birdland
on Dec 29, 2008 at 8:50 pm

Rumors flying with no substance...

1) the victim was wearing 2 layers of clothing?
2) the fire was arson/suspicious (stated by the fire dept, now passed to the police)
3) pets were removed from the house?
4) the forclosure was odd


Bottom Line: There are children and families who have been subjected to suffering and loss and need help (regardless of family involvement) and there are profesionals who will find out the truth and provide answers. This speculation is nothing but that. Wait it out folks.


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Posted by Scared/Suspicious
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Dec 30, 2008 at 7:26 am

I believe it is time for one of the local newspapers to do an investigative report on this fire, instead of the "politically correct" articles we have read so far. As the articles progressed, certain relevant information was left out (family dogs out of the house, family's race car hobby) and articles focused on family fund raising efforts. The first article mentioned the family dogs were at the groomers at the time of the fire. I think the biggest question is what the relationship is between the Zuffa and the Greenberg family.

I believe that Mrs. Zuffa is a victim regardless of the cause of this fire and my thoughts are with her.


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Posted by Neighbor
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Dec 30, 2008 at 8:46 am

I have family members in both the fire department and the police department who were on the scene that day and also are working on the investigation. Mrs. Zuffa was wearing two layers of clothing; coveralls over her regular clothing. Both dogs had been taken to the groomers and her car was parked around the corner with valuable jewelry inside.

As of right now that's as much as we know.


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Posted by jessica
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Dec 30, 2008 at 8:59 am

Neighbor seems to have some inside info. I think we should listen to her. So now we know. All the misinformed people can quiet themselves, now. Thank you. I also agree with scared/suspicious.

And to ONE OF MANY MOMS: The PMS system demands excessive internet time: homework is on the internet, research projects required the internet (this stuff cannot be foudn at library), grades and other instructions are on the internet.

If you'd read what I wrote (which so many people have problems doing so, it seems)I said internet usage should be MONITERED, not non-existent. That would be silly!

Anyway, you'll see that you are actually in agreeance of what I said.


I wish to all the families who've been affected by this terrible fire a speedy recovery of yourselves, and your lives.


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Posted by jessica
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Dec 30, 2008 at 9:04 am

Neighbor: Thank you kindly for coming on this site and letting us know what's going on. I really believe we need it. I'm wondering why she was wearing 2 layers of clothing, her just pets happened to not be there, and her car was parked around the corner? Have you any details on this matter?

Please, as you learn more, come back and keep us updated.

Thank you :)


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Posted by Weird
a resident of Downtown
on Dec 30, 2008 at 9:14 am

The double layer of clothing is not all that surprising; given the recent temperatures here in town. The pets not there raises a question, or just a damn lucky concidence for pet lovers. (like myself) Jewlery in the car? Parked around the corner??? Why not in front of the home or in the driveway??? I thought I remembered seeing a vehicle in the driveway in the photos that were printed. All in all, the children are true victims. Not only have they lost everything prescious to them, their mother is laying with severe injuries. The mental aspect of their future is troubling for sure. I hope for their sake that closure to the entire tragedy comes soon.


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Posted by Scared/Suspicious
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Dec 30, 2008 at 9:15 am

Wow Neighbor talk about a smoking gun! Still, I feel very sorry for the children. If this case is so "open and shut" why is everything so secretive? Someone with a lot of power/money must be involved.


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Posted by helen
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Dec 30, 2008 at 4:09 pm

She drove a white vehicle which was always parked in front of the house except when the semi- truck with the race cars was parked in front of the house. Then she put her car across the sreet near the entrance to the church . Their bird was not out of the house and it was killed in the fire. You could often smell gasoline from that home heavily . None of this and more that I know leads to a conclusion . The experts will figure this out .


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Dec 30, 2008 at 4:28 pm

Dear rumor-mongers,

Just because someone claims to have inside info doesn't mean it is a reason to listen to them. Officials are secretive about investigations in order to protect the rights of everyone involved. All the talk about kids needing their Internet activity monitored and yet it is the adults who fall for the anecdotes and unverified speculation. Don't let yourself be deceived. Wait for the people looking at the whole picture to paint it for us.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Dec 31, 2008 at 11:34 am

Keep you big mouths shut Helen & Bob. You are such nerds!

If you have some extra time today, go scratch your ears!

Let the investigation move forward...ta-ta!

In other words, take the HIGH ROAD! IF YOU CAN...


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Posted by shocked and ashamed
a resident of Downtown
on Jan 1, 2009 at 11:30 pm

I can't believe what I am reading from some people. Why does it really matter to you if it was intentional or not.Does it affect you in any way? Or are you all so small minded that you're looking for any gossip you can get your hands on to make your life more interesting. Imagine the despair someone would be feeling to commit this act. IF this was intentional these people need pleasantons love and support. Try to empathise please, I beg you. No one deserves to feel that much despair. I hope the family can come back to a loving supportive community who helps them through this time.


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Posted by Jessica
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jan 2, 2009 at 10:58 am

SHOCKED AND ASHAMED: IF this was intentional these people need pleasantons love and support.



What do you mean? That's silly. Why would we love and support these people who have taken advantage of Pleasanton's kindness?

Pleasanton's citizens have given and given unconditionally to this family, only now to find out that this was not a natural gas leak as Mrs. Zuffa herself had told Officer Braaten.




At this point, my heart goes out to the neighbors who have suffered the consequences of someone else's mistake. Really, I hope all of you were able to have a Merry Christmas and fabulous New Year. Best of luck in 2009. Heads up- It will get better.


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Posted by Kari
a resident of Downtown
on Jan 4, 2009 at 9:42 pm

Do you want to know what is really sad. I log onto this site hoping to hear some news about how the family is coping, how De's recovery is going etc. Instead I have to fish through a bunch of CRAP from folks who have absolutely nothing better to do than sit behind your little computer and trash this family who has been through so much hell already. I can only wonder what some of you did all day before this tragedy happened??? Get a life. Why dont you take your gossip, speculations, assumptions etc. offline and call someone who cares? Give it a flippen rest already! I sure hope that some of you who are posting your negative comments never face such tragedy in your lifetime however, if you do may you be treated as you have treated this family. SHAME ON YOU. Of course the boys are online you idiots. Imagine how you have made them feel today. Make you feel good?? Use your heads. My son is good friends with Devon who is 12 years old and why wouldnt he be allowed to go online and read the friggen Pleasanton Weekly? Take your negative comments offline. Have some respect for gods sake!


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Posted by Doo Doo
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 5, 2009 at 9:54 am

Calm Down Kari....keep your voice down. The court of public opinion is now in session. The Honorable Pleasanton Weekly Forum presiding...


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Posted by Kari
a resident of Downtown
on Jan 5, 2009 at 11:28 am

Again, another respectful annonymous individual.


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Posted by Jessica
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jan 5, 2009 at 12:46 pm

Kari- I'm not anonymous. My name Jessica Schmidt and I live off Amberwood. I have lived in Pleasanton for the past sixteen years and am a mother of two. Anything else you need? If anonymity is the issue, I have just cleared it up for you.

Please don't put your head so far in the sand that you choose not to recognize truth when it's layed out right in front of you. Shame on you, actually, for being so ignorant. Next time think twice about accusing people of issues you, yourself, are guilty of.

In the future, when you "fish through crap", I suggest you read it, as well, because if you had, you'd understand that the opinions formed on this forum have been based solely on factual reports.

I don't really feel as though responding to the rest of your nonsense is worth my time, as the rest of your post is contradictory to the latter. You say this site is terrible (in terms of the posts being written), yet then you ask why a twelve year old child would NOT be reading the "friggen" Pleasanton Weekly? Well, which is it?

Furthermore, no one is bashing the children whatsoever. If you were reading instead of fishing, every post that mentions the children is extremely uplifting. Most are along the lines of these unfortunate children falling victim to their mother's selfish judgement.

Lastly, I hardly believe that a child who is in this situation would be checking back with the Pleasanton Weekly for updates.

I, on the other hand, am; so please, let me.






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Posted by Kari
a resident of Downtown
on Jan 5, 2009 at 2:01 pm

Jessica,
Im sorry I must have missed your name in the previous post as all I saw was Doo Doo....literally.

Im sure the boys are extremely uplifted by all these comments. Please dont respond to me. You are wasting your time and mine.


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Posted by Oh My!
a resident of Downtown
on Jan 5, 2009 at 2:23 pm

Rod Serling, were he still alive, would appreciate that the P-town residents have written a new episode of Twilight Zone.


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Posted by Concerned
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Jan 5, 2009 at 3:56 pm

jessica
How can you say that no one is bashing these poor children? People are basically accusing their mother who lay in the hostpital suffering of having something to do with this incident. I dont think you are "all there" and Kari is right.... some people should get a life. You are one of those people.


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Posted by Jessica
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jan 5, 2009 at 4:31 pm

To each, his own. That's fine... However, for you to tell me to get a life is pretty irrelevant to this incident.


If you don't agree, that's cool, but don't tell me I am not "all there" just because I exercise the ability to reason, and form a fact based opinion.

As Kari said, please don't respond to me. You're wasting your time.


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Posted by Doo Doo
a resident of Valley Trails
on Jan 5, 2009 at 7:48 pm

Kari... You are just like everyone else on here! Don't try to put yourself on a soap box and preach to us. You signed on here and read alittle, and couldn't help but to add your two cents. You need to take your own inventory first.
I would also like to commend Jessica for how she handled herself... Very impressive.


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Posted by Jessica
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jan 6, 2009 at 9:56 am

I read on another post on this site that at one point Mr. Zuffa brought his children to the Farmer's Market, willingly accepting donations. I don't know how long ago, and it's just hearsay, but maybe someone can verify?

Also: If someone's willing, that's where the update can come from. An employee at Pleasanton Weekly (for a justifiable source) should ask for a quick interview of Mr. Zuffa.

Maybe we can ask him where all these donations have been going? How is Mrs. Zuffa progressing? Though it's an ongoing investigation, maybe we can get some more information out of him than the NOTHING he's said so far.


I am also curious as to where these donations will end up? Can the Zuffas' keep them, legally? Is there no law against profiting from a crime? I am just curious. I honestly don't know. I do, however, know that too many families have donated too much money out of the kindness of their hearts to have been scammed like this.


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Posted by Tired of hearing from Jessica
a resident of Foothill Knolls
on Jan 6, 2009 at 11:25 am

Jessica.

It sounds like you have a personal beef with the Zuffa's? Or could it be that your life is sooooo boring that you have nothing better to do in your spare time than thrive off town gossip? Puleaaaaaase give it a rest!!


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Posted by Innocent til proven otherwise
a resident of Bonde Ranch
on Jan 6, 2009 at 2:44 pm

sure Mr. Zuffa has far more important things to deal with than answering questions from people like you who want to believe foul play was involved. And furthermore, if this is under investigation HE CANNOT COMMENT UNTIL THE INVESTIGATION HAS COMPLETED!!! Until then I guess all of you who insist on dragging this family through more hell can continue to speculate, gossip, accuse them of all wrong doing......I mean really, what the heck else do you have to do with yuor uneventful boring lives? Maybe find another tragedy to feed off of? Why dont you negative bloggers go contribute your time to the community....volunteer or something. Turn a new leaf, its a new year


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Posted by shocked and ashamed
a resident of Downtown
on Jan 6, 2009 at 7:51 pm

To Jessica,
You really should think about the things you are saying. To say that the mother made a selfish decision and that the kids are suffering because of it is something you have no idea about. What has made you so judgemental and made you think you're so much better than this woman. Have you been perfect your whole life? Silly question I guess since its obvious you think so. You are so unforgiving. Nobody even knows what the truth is yet and you're already crucifying her. I sure feel sorry for anybody at your mercy. You seem to have a very limited mind. Get a heart.


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Posted by shocked and ashamed
a resident of Downtown
on Jan 6, 2009 at 7:52 pm

To Jessica,
You really should think about the things you are saying. To say that the mother made a selfish decision and that the kids are suffering because of it is something you have no idea about. What has made you so judgemental and made you think you're so much better than this woman. Have you been perfect your whole life? Silly question I guess since its obvious you think so. You are so unforgiving. Nobody even knows what the truth is yet and you're already crucifying her. I sure feel sorry for anybody at your mercy. You seem to have a very limited mind. Get a heart.


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Posted by cody
a resident of Downtown
on Jan 6, 2009 at 9:32 pm

HI everyone (JESICA),
my name is cody and i have been devons best friend since elementary school.JESICA what has made you such a hateful person? how could you come on this public website and down~talk to the zuffas?REALLY? you have that much hate inside of you? you dont even know what happened that day inside the zuffas house,and until you do i suggest you keep your nasty,cruel,hateful remarks not only offline but to your self.YOU SHOULD FEEL ASHAMED!!!!!! not only you but the other people on this website who have said these negative things should just stop!!! and to say MR. Zuffa shouldn't pick up the money for donations at the farmers market is ignorant . i really don't care if it was on purpose or if it was accidental but we still are dealing with a women who is in the hospital with burns all over her body.JESICA I REALLY HOPE THAT THIS MIGHT HAVE CHANGED YOUR IDEA ABOUT POSTING THESE MESSAGES ABOUT A NICE FAMILY ...you should be ashamed of yourself


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Posted by Doo Doo
a resident of Valley Trails
on Jan 7, 2009 at 9:01 am

Cody....Cody...I'll go alittle easy on you because I'm not sure of your age and intellect. Now, you owe Jessica an apology for your abusive tone. She has the right to feel different from you (or anyone). The "mean" things that you're referring to is called physical evidence; and they are not an 'opinion', they are facts. She (or we) have nothing to be ashamed of. The officals put the evidence out there, and the public gets to see it. And maybe you said it best yourself when you said that you DON"T care if it was an accident or on purpose. Well, we do... If she(or they) intentionally set the explosion and fire, then they put not only themselves in danger, but they endangered their own kids and the near-by neighbors. THAT Cody...is unforgivable. If it turns out to be a true accident, then some of us are completely wrong. We will cross that bridge when we get to it. But if you ask me... its much more ignorant to blindly believe what you're told without question; than it is to listen to the facts and evidence and form your own opinion based on the known truths. Who's ignorant Cody?
Now that I said all that...I understand that all of the facts are not out yet. This thing could end either way. So, all we can do is look at what evidence there is now, and wait. Nobody has convicted the Zuffa's here, and we are just sharing thoughts and ideas. I really do hope for the best with Mrs Zuffa, and prey for her recovery. I understand you're close to the family...but can you HONESTLY say it doesn't matter- if she is a completely innocent victim in all this, or a criminal that endangered numerous innocent lives??? It matters to me...


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Posted by tired of Jessica Doo Doo
a resident of Vineyard Hills
on Jan 7, 2009 at 10:16 am

Jessica or Doo Doo


It sounds to me like the boy's got a point. I think he was trying to tell you to keep your negative comments about this family to yourself. What gives you the right to slander a family's name as you have done/are doing? He is absolutely right. Take the high road for a change. You will find that it sometimes makes you a better person. I dont think this young man owes you anything. You might just owe him for attempting to make you a better person.

Wait till the conclusion of the investigation. Then if you have the right to bad talk these folks then so be it. Until then...you are boring us with your evil ways.


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Posted by Too Funny
a resident of another community
on Jan 7, 2009 at 11:23 am

I do find it funny that Cody is gettiung lectured by someone that calls themselves doo doo.. Really? We question HIS intellect?


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Posted by DooDoo is a ditz
a resident of Golden Eagle
on Jan 7, 2009 at 12:02 pm

How does it feel to be told by a young boy that you are acting a fool!!!! Gosh that has got to make you stop and think for a moment how immature you have been.


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Posted by Doo Doo
a resident of Valley Trails
on Jan 7, 2009 at 3:17 pm

If you children would stop throwing cheap insults at me, and point out ONE "immature" thing I have said. Tell me ONE thing that I'm wrong on?.... Stop trying to insult me, and tell me "how" I am any of those things you have called me...And when you go back and read through the posts; how are any of you different from what I have done? You know...share my opinions and thoughts. That is what this site if for.....is it not?


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Posted by Funny
a resident of another community
on Jan 7, 2009 at 4:09 pm

Sorry, Its just funny that you stand on your soap box as doo doo and you expect people to take you seriously..

The point is that a lot of people are feeding off of the "official details" that may or may not be official.

All I am saying is I feel bad that, as she is burned over a huge portion of her body and fighting for her life, that there are complete strangers convicting her in the court of public opinion.

The "official - official" folks are being very tight lipped so just leave a little room that this may not have been arson.


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Posted by Doo Doo is offended
a resident of Bordeaux Estates
on Jan 7, 2009 at 4:32 pm

DooDoo
arguing with a child is pretty immature! You are wrong to go onto a public website and accuse a family of wrongdoing when the investigation is not even complete!


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Posted by cody
a resident of Downtown
on Jan 7, 2009 at 5:26 pm

who are you to tell me iam inmature GET REAL! and dont tell me to calm down you are the one crap talking about the zufffas


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Posted by Doo Doo
a resident of Valley Trails
on Jan 8, 2009 at 9:04 am

Cody ...you're young and I apologize for trying to debate this with you. It's not a subject for me and you should continue. I wish the best for you.
The reason I take the information and evidence "as it comes" and not wait for the lengthy court process is-- "time heals all wounds". By the time they get found guilty, the pain is gone and the community just doesn't care as much. If the Zuffa's are found guilty of anything, it won't be for at least a year, By that time, the displaced family will be back home and all of the damages will be a thing of the past. It will become a "story" around Pleasanton and the case will become unimportant to the masses.
I'm not here to argue with anyone, I just want to express my thoughts. I can take all of the insults and animosity, but I'm still waiting for anyone to point out anything I have said that's not true.


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Posted by Hmm
a resident of another community
on Jan 8, 2009 at 9:35 am

The legal system over rules your "Time heals all things" comment. The punishment will be the same if they were to be found guilty today or a year from now. The law is the law.

Just seems everyone is piling on the person lying in the hospital.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jan 8, 2009 at 1:00 pm

To those of you who donated to the Zuffas I have a rhetorical question. Did you donate out of a sincere desire to help your fellow man or to satisfy your narcissism by elevating your own reputation so you could parade around your goodwill?


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Posted by shocked and ashamed
a resident of Downtown
on Jan 8, 2009 at 1:43 pm

Doo doo,
I understand what you're saying and even though I don't agree with you i can see your reasoning. What I don't understand is if they are not guilty (and so far all we have are rumors) won't you feel pretty awful about your actions? Shouldn't they be innocent until proven guilty? Its just sad that you would agree with Jessica who has so much animosity and has said some really awful things about people who are still innocent.


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Posted by Doo Doo
a resident of Valley Trails
on Jan 8, 2009 at 4:48 pm

I won't feel awful about my actions, because I haven't done ...any actions. I have just shared my opinions on the facts that are known so far... only on this site. I hope I haven't said anything that would "damage" anyone. My opinions are my own, and no one should let ANYTHING said on this anonymous web site effect them. Lets keep all of this in perspective. If they are innocent... then good for them. They should be able to see afterwards that some of the evidence looked "suspicious", and start the recovery process. Anyways, as far as I can see here, I'm the only one implying their guilt. No one is "burying them" around town. No one even talks about this case anymore. Besides, people are still willing to give them money. Why are my comments SO bad?


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Posted by haha
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jan 9, 2009 at 7:28 pm

Doo Doo

If and when this investigation shows the Zuffa family to be innocent of all wrong doing I sure hope you have the big Doo Doo balls to make a public apology (and a personal one to the family would be nice too) I cant imagine you would have the class to do so though. you seem so very class~less


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jan 9, 2009 at 10:02 pm

I'm completely confident in Doo Doo's ability to publicly apologize. I wonder if haha will return the dare an publicly apologize in case of a jury finding the Zuffas guilty of arson.


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Posted by friendly fire
a resident of another community
on Jan 10, 2009 at 1:08 pm

funny....this blog seems to no longer be about the tragedy, intentional or unintentional, but rather a battle of wits....


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Posted by Please stop
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Jan 14, 2009 at 10:27 am

Although we live just a few houses down from the Zuffa's we did not know them personally. Please members of the Pleasanton community, stop casting stones and playing Columbo - let the police do their job, as they are the qualified experts.

Regardless of what truth lies ahead and what the investigation reveals, the two Zuffa boys are forever scared by what has transpired. Please think of them and their emotions and what all of the negative speculation from their community may be doing to their psychological well being. They didn't ask for this and are innocent children. Please stop, please.


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Posted by Nice
a resident of another community
on Jan 14, 2009 at 11:48 am

Well said


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Posted by Think of the kids
a resident of Pleasanton Middle School
on Jan 14, 2009 at 6:53 pm

I agree! I don't feel this is how everyone in the community should act. The boys are now scared for life and will carry the burden either internal or external. Nobody could understand what they are going through and I would trade places to stop their pain if I could. I hope they are receiving counseling somewhere. My daughter has told me the school told the students they can't discuss it with the boys but I am sure they still have some of the kids saying mean things to them and they are being hurt everyday from this. \

To the Zuffa boys: Keep your heads high! You are great kids and deserve respect and community support now. Many of us feel this way!


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Posted by Kari
a resident of Downtown
on Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 pm

Doo Doo

Your comments are inappropriate in nature as you are publicly accusing these children's mother of something and she has no way do defend herself. Again, take it offline. Do it for the children who may I remind you, have been without their loving mother in thier world for over a month and are uncertain of what her outcome will be. Have a heart already.


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Posted by Jen
a resident of Valley Trails
on Jan 17, 2009 at 9:48 pm

To all of the Pleaseanton Community! I have lived here for most of my life and I have seen and heard lot of pleasanton residents talking about other peoples business and butting in where they don't belong!! I can't believe some of the things I have read hear! You can believe what you want but do everyone even yourself a favor and keep your comments to yourselves!!!!! No matter what the outcome maybe no child deserves to hear the crap you people are talking on here!!! Go get a life of your own!!!

Personally I know one of the Zuffa boys and have talked to him about these comments and where you believe it or not it has effected both the boys more than you will ever know. So do everyone a favor and leave it alone!!!

Zuffa boys - Keep your heads up and remember the people who are here for you not the ones talking crap about your family!! Those people don't really have a life if there this busy talking about yours!! So just remember there are alot of us out there that are here for you and would help you out in anyway, no matter what some people may think!!!

I only have well wishes for your whole family and prayers for your mother everyday!!!


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Posted by Doo Doo
a resident of Valley Trails
on Jan 19, 2009 at 9:03 am

This will be my last post on this subject. I apologize to the Zuffa boys. I don't know you or your family and I was ONLY expressing my opinion on the little information that I have. I am only assuming things and I don't know anything about the house explosion other that what I read here. I really don't want to say anything to offend them, if I did, then I apologize.
I can see all of you care about these kids very much!! And by the WAY OUTSIDE CHANCE that the parents did have something to do with it...intentional or being a case of negligence...then what are all of you do-gooders going to say to them then? Remeber that they didn't have to do anything on purpose, they could be guilty of negligence... thats a crime too.... Again, I'm not saying they did....just having conversation...


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Posted by Rae
a resident of Mohr Park
on Jan 19, 2009 at 12:34 pm

DooDoo,
You should have stopped after the first paragraph - the second paragraph really wiped out your apology.


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Posted by Whatever
a resident of another community
on Jan 19, 2009 at 2:26 pm

Typical for Doo Doo. Heaven forbit you make a non snide remark..


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Posted by Hmm.
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 23, 2009 at 9:21 pm

I am so disappointed in Pleasanton Weekly, for it has been many months since we have received ANY information. They must know at least a few things about this fire by now. They've left the story halfway and it seems as the months go by it is becoming forgotten. I am very upset with PW.


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Posted by Good Neighbor
a resident of Downtown
on Apr 7, 2009 at 8:06 am

Hey PW, what is going on with this investigation?????? I know that Mrs. Zuffa has been released and spoken with authorities, but yet we have no information. As a concerned resident I would like some explanation to this unfortunate incident. Are the investigators covering something??? Are the insurance officials done?? Where does this stand, do we as Pleasanton citizens just let this horrible crime go without punishment?!?!?!?!?!?


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Posted by Fioricet
a resident of Ridgeview Commons
on Jun 29, 2009 at 4:18 am

(Post removed by Pleasanton Weekly Online staff as irrelevant to this thread.)


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Posted by Fox 2
a resident of another community
on Feb 24, 2010 at 1:32 pm

This looks like an AOL chat room from 15 years ago.


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