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77% of Bay Area residents don't support a BART strike

Original post made by Joe on Oct 5, 2013

This is up from the mid-60s when the cooling off period began. You can view the poll at any of the Bay Area newspaper, TV, or radio sites.

Only 6% believe that BART management should accept the union's latest offer.

The strike go/nogo decision point is midnight this coming Thursday. Trains may not run on Friday.

Support for the union demands has never been high, and it's quickly dwindling to nothing.

Comments (18)

Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Oct 5, 2013 at 5:51 pm

Who makes the decision re: strike or no strike?

i rest my case...


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Oct 5, 2013 at 6:03 pm

Size of sample?

% does not = HARD NUMBERS...tee hee hee...


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Oct 5, 2013 at 7:52 pm

What I find confusing is that some folks want the US government to shut down but not BART?

What is that all about?


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Oct 5, 2013 at 11:07 pm

Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.

Money, Cholo. Other people's money. You can't keep spending it like it will never run out.

Here is the Mercury coverage on the poll. Web Link


Posted by Connie, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 6, 2013 at 8:53 am

It's about rich people not wanting to pay higher taxes on account of improved health care for all, Cholo. And rich people in the form of big business not wanting their exploitation operations disrupted by a strike, regardless of issues of fairness for those involved.

Whether the public supports the strike or not is immaterial. The public is not privy to the details of offers and counteroffers; the public is not privy to the day to day operations of BART, the kinds of salaries and pensions earned relative to skill and work, the nature of past promises during times when raises and cost of living hikes were withheld. The public's (mis)information on this is dependent on many things, including how the media selects what to print and what to censor. (See, for example, PW editors' machinated coverage and treatment of its posters.)

It's fun, however, listening to the righties twist every issue of justice into one where they squawk out their mantra about higher taxes on millionaires and billionaires.


Posted by Joe, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 6, 2013 at 10:23 am

Everybody benefits from BART in one way or another. It's great for people that work and need transportation to get there. Business owners benefit because they can hire people that can actually get to work, reliably. And BART does provide jobs for the people needed to run the system. There are literally hundreds of thousands of people in the Bay Area that benefit from BART, either directly or indirectly.

What people are objecting to are the demands of a minority in their attempt to bring the entire system down, for only their own benefit. That's the key here - they are threatening to hold the entire system hostage for only their own benefit. It's apparent to all that BART workers are not underpaid, nor are they mistreated. They simply have, at the present time, a chance to get more from the system that supports them, and they are using the threat of a strike in order to force their will upon all.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Oct 6, 2013 at 10:47 am

My goodness, how noble...tee hee

Since the public is not privy to Union/BART negotiations, how is it that you know so much about nothing?

The public will have to be patient and wait for the STRIKE!

As long as mgt. continue to negotiate in BAD FAITH, there will likely be a strike. VIVA UNIONS! VIVA!


Posted by Connie, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 6, 2013 at 11:06 am

Joe says: "It's apparent to all that BART workers are not underpaid, nor are they mistreated. They simply have, at the present time, a chance to get more from the system that supports them, and they are using the threat of a strike in order to force their will upon all."

Note how PW Editors allow all of Joe's unsubstantiated, hearsay comments to stand. Because, when they're written/uttered by the right, that's okay. But have some lefty forward some substantive claims, and the site gets shut down.

Please hurry, Editors; Cholo is making fools of Joe and the administrator bootlickers. Time to protect your fellow right wingers!!!! Shut Cholo down! Shut the whole site down!


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Oct 6, 2013 at 11:48 am

Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.

Connie, the people that will be affected most are the riders. They will inevitably pay more, which means you are hurting customers, not to mention (as already posted in other threads), nearly the majority are not earning what BART employees earn (and who themselves ride for free, forever). And we've already discussed the necessity of correlation to job responsibilities and the highest pay achievable.

This isn't about not wanting to pay taxes, although BART will have a very hard time convincing voters to approve bonds if they give the majority of their reserves for improving the infrastructure to the unions.


Posted by Connie, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 6, 2013 at 12:00 pm

Ah, but it is about money. Hasn't been proven that higher wages and salaries will translate into higher fares, though management has used this ploy, and the gullible are only too happy to gobble it up. So, anything management tells us is gospel (even though they are public employees, too), because management is bad, but unions are really really bad.


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Oct 6, 2013 at 1:00 pm

Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.

Well, then all we have to do is wait to see how long it takes for the fares to increase or not. I find it interesting, though, that you might think wages can be increased (a permanent change) without a permanent source of income to cover it.


Posted by Right, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 6, 2013 at 3:59 pm

Kathleen, mittens is playing you again, using his alter ego Connie this time. Unless he had one of those free sex change operations promised to all state prisoners, you're being baited by mittens, mike cherry, Connie, the troll.


Posted by Daveg, a resident of Birdland
on Oct 6, 2013 at 4:04 pm

Daveg is a registered user.

Mike Cherry, alias many, with the most recent being Connie has risen his slanted, unrealistic head again. Poster "Right" is correct. Don't bother with Mike Cherry's(Connie)posting as all he is doing is trying to bait you Kathleen.


Posted by Connie, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 6, 2013 at 5:22 pm

For years now BART management has been telling workers it can't afford to give them a raise because BART has been in the red. Now that BART is in the black, suddenly its not about deficits but about raises translating into higher fares. And the surplus? Who knows? And who cares about how surpluses might be used to cover raises in wages/salaries. For, after all, this IS all about union bashing is it not? Really impressed by all the above posters' trenchant comments. You guys should be writing copy for the Tea Party. Mike Cherry (whoever he is): BOOOOO! Scared out of your britches, eh? So, all of you Tea Partiers and TP wannabe's: keep on slurping down that swill being provided to you by BART management.


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Oct 6, 2013 at 5:50 pm

Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.

And the union says this is about safety . . . as long as none of the surplus funds actually goes to pay for it. That should come from a bond, right?

Thanks, Right, but s/he pretty transparent.


Posted by Connie, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 6, 2013 at 6:05 pm

They have to come to each other's aid, Cholo. They're not good enough to refute you with a single, coherent argument. All they can do is wave their hands, call you names, and pile on with lies, distortions, and nonsense.


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Oct 6, 2013 at 7:22 pm

Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.

Answer this Connie: Where is the permanent source of funds to cover the cost of the raises and benefits? A reserve it one time funding.


Posted by Spacini@yahoo.com, a resident of Birdland
on Oct 6, 2013 at 8:07 pm

Poor Connie, mittens, mike cherry...still trying to push a boulder uphill. You've most likely noticed that the momentum of your rock (not your head) has stopped and been reversed. You're fighting a battle you and your union thug compatriots cannot win. BART mgmt doesn't have to continually produce new contract proposals because the union has decided to negotiating with themselves, producing new contract proposals daily. It's comical......one wonders what all these 'highly qualified' union workers will do once they figure out they no longer are being paid by BART! Maybe they can work at the health care exchange propaganda arm of the Obama administration.


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