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The federal government will NOT shut down tonight

Original post made by jimf01, another community, on Sep 30, 2013

Oh yes, the media and the Democrats will be squealing like stuck pigs in the event that no budget agreement passes before midnight EDT that the federal government has shut down.
But a government shutdown is only a shutdown in name, realistically speaking. Here is info on what will NOT shut down

Military will all work and continue to get paid
Web Link

Federal workers who are told to stay home are essentially, based upon previous shutdowns, on what you or I would call a paid vacation. Every past government shutdown has been followed by legislation to order back pay to be given to the furloughed employees.
Web Link

An additional list of government function which will not cease:

-Social Security and Medicare benefit payments
-air traffic control
-Homeland Security
-Coast Guard
-Transportation Security Administration
-Secret Service and other law enforcement agents
-U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services
-NASA Mission Control
-School lunches and breakfasts
-food stamps, known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP
-postal delivery
-federal courts (for at least 2 weeks)
-Federal meat inspections and food recalls
-federal prisons
-Department of Veterans Affairs including hospitals, clinics, and pharmacies
-IRS tax collection

Web Link

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Posted by right
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 30, 2013 at 3:24 pm

As long as obamacare is delayed or defunded, it's all good. Let's hope the R's don't cave in to old fossils like Harry Reid and (Word removed by Pleasanton Weekly Online staff) Pelosi.


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Posted by dublinmike
a resident of Dublin
on Sep 30, 2013 at 5:08 pm

Gingrich, Cruz, et al. are the poster children for the "Me-Party" AKA GOP. You folks keep re-affirming that view with your incredible small mindedness and selfishness.

Also, you folks are not worth having a "debate" because it's like talking to a brick wall. It's just a game to you - win at all costs and people-be-damned.


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Posted by jimf01
a resident of another community
on Sep 30, 2013 at 5:21 pm

jimf01 is a registered user.

Sound a bit like Harry Reid there, dMike. It is hhe who will not discuss any aspect of this with the GOP. No negotiations on debt, when we are near $17 trillion, and the projections are going to $26 trillion if the Democrat offered budgets stay in effect with endless CR's.
I happen to think that alone is something worth taking a principled stand over. The status quo has to change, and the Democrats have stood by and said we will accept nothing less than the status quo, or we will allow the government to shutdown.


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Posted by Daveg
a resident of Birdland
on Sep 30, 2013 at 5:49 pm

Daveg is a registered user.

I find it interesting that Harry Reid said today that they would be receptive to discussions "later" regarding certain aspects of the Healthcare plan, and my question would be why not now? Because that guy is a two faced liar (just go back and examine his last reelection campaign), that's why. The additional thing about this that really galls me is that the President and Congress continue to get paid because they are considered "essential". Who decides that.........oh, none other than Congress and the President! Looking at their record I would hazard a guess that they are the least essential part of this entire fiasco.


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Posted by Can't wait
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 30, 2013 at 7:25 pm

We're on vacation and hiked in Yosemite today and remarked that we might not be able to come back into the park tomorrow.


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Posted by Nomad
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 30, 2013 at 7:55 pm

I'll take a partial shutdown, followed by further sequestration of anything deemed non-essential.


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Posted by Can't wait
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 30, 2013 at 8:58 pm

Glad to know it doesn't matter to you that a couple of thousand vacations in Yosemite right now don't matter to you.

Is your long-awaited 2 weeks a year vacation non-essential?

Well, lets see how you're doing when you have to go home from your next vacation and forfeit your deposits and the plans you looked forward to.

Don't answer. I just hope it happens.


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Posted by Daveg
a resident of Birdland
on Sep 30, 2013 at 9:08 pm

Daveg is a registered user.

I would say that somehow almost anything is more essential than Congress and the President being considered essential enough at this point to justify their continuing to pull down their salaries' and additional perks at this time. However I'm not sure your postponed (not cancelled) vacation could ever be justified as essential. Give me a break..........not everybody gets even the opportunity to take vacation. I'm wondering if in fact one has to forfeit their deposit; after all, the government cancelled, not the individual.


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Posted by Herb Fasteau
a resident of Danville
on Sep 30, 2013 at 9:17 pm

I can't humanly afford an operation on my heart unless Obamacare kicks in. I can't wait another year. I need insurance now. I voted for McCain and Romney. I'll never vote Republican again. Never thought I'd see the day Republicans would throw people's lives away just for the sake of having a one year-delayed Obamacare as a wedge issue during next year's election.


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Posted by Really?
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 30, 2013 at 9:20 pm

The Republican goal has been accomplished. Shutting down the government is exactly what they planned to do at the Williamsburg Accord- a strategic retreat in which Republicans met to see how they can make sure that our President and the Democratic party fails.

Im baffled by this 'win at any cost' form of leadership. As far as Im concerned, its a goal to ensure our country and it's citizens fail. I look forward to seeing how that works out for them in the coming months.


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Posted by Can't wait
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 30, 2013 at 9:35 pm

So Daveg, you don't take any vacation? I doubt that.

Maybe your vacation later this year will go by the wayside too. Let's hear what you have to say at that time. I doubt you will breeze by the circumstances and be so calm and undisappointed - especially if some congressmen sent you home.


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Posted by Really, Really?
a resident of Del Prado
on Sep 30, 2013 at 9:38 pm

Really?, you're so duped you only see that the Republicans are forcing this and it has nothing to do with Obama and the Dems being unwilling to negotiate on anything? Obama negotiates with Syria, Iran, and Russia but he won't negotiate with Congress. With critical thinkers like you, I see why we have these politicians.


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Posted by Really, Really?,
a resident of Del Prado
on Sep 30, 2013 at 9:42 pm

DublinMike; "selfishness"? That's a funny characterization coming from someone who's in favor of grabbing money from those who work and produce things and redistributing it to the non-producers.


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Posted by Can't wait
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 30, 2013 at 9:49 pm

All I'm asking for is a 2 week vacation and health insurance that I'm able to pay for myself. That is not unreasonable.

And if anyone out there thinks they will always have the health insurance that their current employer gives them now, or that their job/employer will always exist... All I can say is that you are not preparing for what might happen.


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Posted by Nomad
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 30, 2013 at 10:10 pm

Asking for health insurance that you can afford, because someone else is paying for it, is unreasonable. Tell me, name one health care cost that is going DOWN due to the Affordable Care Act.


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Posted by Really?
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 30, 2013 at 10:11 pm

Guess you are so duped you dont even know what your party is doing!

This was the GOAL of the Republicans, they planned this- last Spring! Then bragged about it! no negotiations from them, their goal is to see this President fail- they planned this on their retreat in Williamsburg and publicized this loud and clear. To pretend now that this wasnt true is hilarious.

The issue is funding the government. If they want to pass legislation on health care, on immigration, on any subject, then create a bill about that specific subject and pass or don't pass it on its merits. The idea of holding everyone hostage is not only unfair, but it is leading to the destruction of our form of government.

The healthcare bill passed- it's law, the President was reelected- by a large margin. For this dysfunctional Rep. party to purposely work to derail the success of this country is unbelievable- and to hear the sad attempts at repeating Faux news talking points is laughable. You cant even hear yourselves contradict your end goals!


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Posted by Can't wait
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 30, 2013 at 10:37 pm

Nomad, you are untruthful. I said I am paying completely for my health insurance on my own and expecting the premium to be $975. per month. No one else is contributing to paying for my insurance.

My money. Again...MY money. All my money. No subsidy. NO SUBSIDY.

Just for one person. I pay $975 now with a $2500 deductible bc it is all I can qualify for. And, believe me, I have been all over looking for a better rate for 5 years. I have had 4 brokers in the bay area looking for better coverage/rates for the part 6 years.

I can ONLY hope that there is truth to Karma and that you see it yourself.

Employer based health insurance can go away for a variety of reasons.

With your attitude toward me, I can only hope that reality strikes and you come to know what I know about obtaining health insurance and having to pay the full freight yourself -without employer contributions. If you can get it at all!

Life is unpredictable. There is no such thing as a sure thing. If you have great health insurance now... It is not a sure thing.


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Posted by b
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 30, 2013 at 10:40 pm

More Republican dirty tricks. If you lose a democratic vote 41 times, just cheat the 42nd time. Yes, these are the same people who brought you that Constitution-hugging, flag-waving brand of "patriotism." What a joke.


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Posted by Nomad
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 30, 2013 at 10:42 pm

Really - then I guess you don't know what a budget is. Take a look at the amendments to the CR and tell us they don't have financial implications. And just 'who' is the 'everyone' being held hostage. Are you being held hostage?


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Posted by Nomad
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 30, 2013 at 10:45 pm

b, and what did you bring.....'dissent is patriotic'?


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Posted by Nomad
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 30, 2013 at 10:48 pm

b, and did you also bring 'you have to pass the bill to know what is in it'. Both of them rip roaring jokes!


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Posted by Nomad
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 30, 2013 at 10:51 pm

Can't wait - I know all about obtaining health insurance and paying the full freight.


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Posted by Can't wait
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 30, 2013 at 11:18 pm

Well, Nomad. I am in a pickle bc Aetna is no longer offering individual coverage and, as of January 1st, I will have no coverage since I have a pre-existing condition ( that I see my Dr. for about once a year so it is not a big deal).

I'm willing to pay fully for my health insurance and there are a lot of people out here like me - I know them. We are stuck now without insurance. As I said earlier, my best friend was just in the hospital with peritonitis ( that can strike anyone) and in ICU for 8 days with 2 surgeries and many tests to literally save her life and she and her husband expect he bill to be over a million dollars. They currently have insurance although if her husband loses his job, there is no way either one of them would ever qualify for getting a health insurance policy. Without their insurance, it would be a million bucks in cash out of pocket.

Anyone who thinks they will always be able to get health insurance under the old/current system is in dreamland.


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Posted by Nomad
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 30, 2013 at 11:30 pm

And b, you are also from the same people who bring a gun to a knife fight.


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Posted by Huh?
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 30, 2013 at 11:39 pm

How many days do we need to shut down 75% of the government before we save enough to cover the the trillions in debt that we owe since the year began? I'm all for federal gov't furloughs for all but a select few.


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Posted by Nomad
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 30, 2013 at 11:40 pm

Really? - US legal history is replete with laws that have been overturned. Re-elected Presidents have disgraced the office. Overturning Obamacare is a fight very worth having, for as long as it takes. Now onto the debt ceiling fight.


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Posted by Can't wait
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 30, 2013 at 11:45 pm

Nomad:

What goes around comes around.

Watch behind you. Life is known to whack you in the butt.

Good luck to you when it happens.


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Posted by paid vacation?
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 1, 2013 at 5:21 am

the original poster says.... Federal workers who are told to stay home are essentially, based upon previous shutdowns, on what you or I would call a paid vacation. Every past government shutdown has been followed by legislation to order back pay to be given to the furloughed employees.

wow.... yes, I"m sure they are all looking at it as a paid vacation and are dancing in the streets with joy..NOT. It's not a relaxing vacation. It is day to day and they could be called back tomorrow (hopefully anyways). It's not like they are all in Florida relaxing in the sun. They are home wondering if they will get paid, and when. And the stress if double for families that ALL of the income comes from Federal jobs (single parent or dual federal employees).
They SHOULD be paid. They have a job, which is essentially a contract. This is no fault of their own. They have families, need groceries, medicines and have mortgages. They are probably working from home anyways, or if they are 'essential' they have to go to work anyways.
Additionally, there is NO GUARANTEE they will get paid afterwards. With this bunch of crazies in power, I would NOT at all be surprised if they didn't get paid because someone wants to make a point.
Have YOU worked for the Federal government. I have and I have family members that are. Federal employees are good hardworking people, just like the rest of America. They just want a steady job and to provide for their families like everyone else. Isn't that a FAMILY VALUE? Geeze...


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Posted by Vineyards
a resident of Livermore
on Oct 1, 2013 at 9:03 am

They are all schoolyard bullies and the ones who will suffer by their childlike actions (no actions) are the people who are camping in Yosemite and Yellowstone. They have 48 hours to vacate.
They all need to go - It is obvious the 2 party system no longer functions in the best interest of the people they are there to serve. They are self serving small minded, overpaid bureaucrats that need to be replaced.
Ever heard of a Libertarian? Not a Liberal but a Libertarian -
I am thinking of changing parties becase Dem/GOP are full of idiots!

Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others.


We believe that respect for individual rights is the essential precondition for a free and prosperous world, that force and fraud must be banished from human relationships, and that only through freedom can peace and prosperity be realized.


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Posted by sounds like a problem
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 1, 2013 at 9:19 am

Here is the 1 thing that bothers me 'most':

If you don't buy the insurance, you pay some small fine. BUT, if you come down with cancer, have a heart attack, or hit by a car, etc., all you have to do is sign up THEN. No preexisting conditions can exclude you from getting health care.

So, why sign up until you need it?

So many things wrong with the process, and it sure doesn't seem unreasonable to me for it to be delayed 1 more year while issues are figured out. Allowing SOME to be exempt because they are union, big business or whoever is wrong. The 'little guy' does not get exemptions.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Oct 1, 2013 at 9:31 am

Who are you referring to as the "little guy"?


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Posted by Cat
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 1, 2013 at 9:32 am

to jimf01

Yes, Government employees get furloughed and thankfully they will get reimbursed but that doesn't help in the immediate future. It might seem like a "paid vacation" to those who are clueless, but not to our bill collectors. Living in the San Francisco Bay area you are probably like everyone else trying to make it in an exaggerated economy where the housing is overpriced and taxes are outrageous. You don't seem to have any mercy for your own neighbors. Our bills still need to be paid and I don't see civilian companies,landlords or banks giving government employees a pass saying "oh, just pay when it comes in!" We have commitments that we can't pay because we don't get our checks. Government employees get lumped in with Congress and the Senate but we don't get all the benefits of those groups. We are stuck with Obamacare so our taxes will go up like most of America. We are at the mercy of a government that is too busy paying off their lobbies Democrat and Republican to remember who pays their checks and how they got there. I hope you, jimf01, never have to feel the squeeze of how to find money for groceries.


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Posted by member
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 1, 2013 at 10:37 am

GOP government shutdown, just what they and Tea party anarchist want. Hang in there country.


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Posted by jimmy
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 1, 2013 at 11:17 am

Cat - spare us the drama, we all know, federal employees especially, the congress is addicted to spending: Web Link


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Posted by Common Sense
a resident of Downtown
on Oct 1, 2013 at 2:17 pm

Cat - a call to action is not the day before - sorry no sympathy here.


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Posted by Herb
a resident of Danville
on Oct 1, 2013 at 4:24 pm

I'm not alone in this! Millions of us today are going to the exchange websites in order to find insurance previously denied us. This is a great day for America!!! It's truly unfortunate that the Republican lemmings decided to stink things up like they have.

They're saying, "Ok, America, if you insist on following the law of the land, we're going to make many of you and your children suffer. We hate you. We hate you when you receive medicare, we hate you when you receive social security, we hate you when you collect disability insurance, we hate you when you collect unemployment compensation, we hate you when you collect food stamps, we hate you when you demand a hike in minimum wage, we hate you when you attempt to insure your families at an affordable rate. We are the Party of hate, we're miserable and we're bent on making people suffer because, if we're miserable, they deserve to be miserable too."


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Posted by Show me the money
a resident of Downtown
on Oct 1, 2013 at 5:17 pm

Herb,

Just a question for you. Where do you think that they money will come from to pay for this? The young invincibles who are counted on the pay for this are not and will not sign up. It is easier to pay the fine and the fine itself has not teeth for at least 3 years. The dumbest person is me for voting for this idiot and his merry band of fools. Obama, Biden, Pelosi, and little prince Harry are a pathetic group at best.


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Posted by Really?
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 1, 2013 at 5:32 pm

Well said Herb- what they really hate is seeing our President/our country succeed.

Here is a law that was passed by the Senate and House, then deemed Constitutional by the Supreme Court and all the Rep. can do is whine that Dems wont negotiate today. 2 million Americans went to the website today to get going with the Affordable Care Act.

The hypocritical nature of their 'work' is clearer than ever. They tout themselves as followers of the Constitution (TeaParty) and yet this only counts when they agree with the law.


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Posted by Jim Van Dyke (this is my real and complete name)
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Oct 1, 2013 at 7:34 pm

Its easy to understand why so many post here under assumed or incomplete identities: they present assumptions and incomplete claims.

I'm a 25 year Pleasanton resident and an entrepreneur. I fully support the Affordable Health Care Act.

I landed in Washington, DC today for several days of work that included several meetings with hard-working employees of Federal agencies, on may matters of relevance to the safety or well-being of everyone reading this post. Every one of those meetings has been postponed until Congress stops obstructing the will of the voters.

Next topic?


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Posted by Jim Van Dyke (this is my real and complete name)
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Oct 1, 2013 at 7:34 pm

Its easy to understand why so many post here under assumed or incomplete identities: they present assumptions and incomplete claims.

I'm a 25 year Pleasanton resident and an entrepreneur. I fully support the Affordable Health Care Act.

I landed in Washington, DC today for several days of work that included several meetings with hard-working employees of Federal agencies, on may matters of relevance to the safety or well-being of everyone reading this post. Every one of those meetings has been postponed until Congress stops obstructing the will of the voters.

Next topic?


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Posted by Herb
a resident of Danville
on Oct 1, 2013 at 8:03 pm

"Show me the money" asks me: "Where will the money come to pay for this?" The question is na´ve at best, amounting to throwing darts at a dart board well after the game is over.

As we all know very well, over the past few decades health insurance costs have been rising dramatically largely because of what economists call the "free rider" problem. The uninsured weren't paying into the health insurance system so when they get sick and need health care, the costs had to be spread among people who did have insurance in the form of higher premiums.

Well, the ACA says enough of that! Its individual mandate effectively eliminates the free rider problem, bending the cost curve and ultimately lowering health care costs for all Americans. Today, millions who rec'd after-the-fact emergency hospital care will now be allowed to purchase affordable health care. Who pays? Individuals. Who wins? The people. And we'll have a healthier, longer-living population as well! We should have done this decades ago!!! Hurray for Obama!!! Hurray for all of us!!! Republican stick-in-the-muds? They'll pay come election time. They've just committed political suicide.


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Posted by Nomad
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 1, 2013 at 8:06 pm

Jim Van Dyke -
If these are '...matters of relevance to the safety and well-being of everyone reading....' Why are they deemed non-essential?


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Posted by john
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 1, 2013 at 8:30 pm

Nomad,

One possible explanation is that they are related to cancer research, or other longer term medical research. I understand that studies had to be cancelled, and in some cases, samples had to be destroyed. This is sad, especially since scientific research was already underfunded at the federal level.


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Posted by Paul Aguire
a resident of Birdland
on Oct 1, 2013 at 9:32 pm

Herb,

Well where does the money come from. You were asked and then attacked but never answered. Where does it come from. Please explain to all of us dummies. We are 17 trillion in debt and by the CBO projections with be above 22 trillion by the time Obama leaves office without a miracle. So please enlighten us without the insults and attacks.


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Posted by Herb Fasteau
a resident of Danville
on Oct 1, 2013 at 11:08 pm

Well, I suppose for you, Paul Aquire, when confronted with a response/argument you don't like and can't refute, it amounts to an attack and insult. Please tell us how I've attacked you or anyone else. And, while you're at it, you might also tell us why you've changed your name from 'Show me the money' to Paul Aquire.

Your repeated question/insinuation suggests you really don't want an answer. For when your question is answered -- and it has been -- and your insinuation shown to be groundless -- as it has shown to be -- you change your name and repeat the same.

If you desire to mount an argument against what others and myself are saying, please do so. And you really don't need to change your name if/when you do. I suspect, however, you won't mount any argument. Upshot: you lose, and you lose repeatedly, irrespective of how many names you take on. Admit it, "Paul," just like you, your Republicans have lost the fight. And now the Republicans and their cheerleaders have terribly mucked things up for themselves and their chances to gain votes in the future.


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Posted by Spanking Whitey
a resident of Downtown
on Oct 2, 2013 at 7:43 am

looks like a good day for golf - Obama 4 foursome you're on the tee


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Posted by Paul Aguire
a resident of Birdland
on Oct 2, 2013 at 8:50 am

Herb,

instead of just throwing a little hissy fit why dont you tell me and the audience where the money comes from? Does it come from those signing up, increased taxes, reductions in defense spending, reduction in entitlements, printing more money, issuing and buying back government bonds? Where Herb please tell us without the hysterics. last chance to act like a big boy.


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Posted by end GOP shutdown
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 2, 2013 at 9:33 am

Republican shut down of government hurts all Americans. OUr worst enemies could not hurt us more than the radical tea partiers and far right. So sad this is their idea of what is best for US by holding us hostage to their demands. Sick


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Posted by Herb Fasteau
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 2, 2013 at 9:50 am

Well, Paul, yet once again I must tell you that individuals -- those millions who were on exchange sites yesterday and today -- will be purchasing their own health insurance. Clearly you don't like this. Instead of asking silly questions and then pretending you don't understand my responses, why don't you mount an argument for why you don't like ACA? What, you don't have an argument? Oh, I see. Little-boy braying about costs is all you have left; it is what losers do.


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Posted by right
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 2, 2013 at 10:21 am

Since Herbie won't answer any questions directly about how obamacare will be funded, the following is a link to the CBO's latest estimates of the impact of the leftists first foray into the realm of socialized healthcare: Web Link

For you Kool Aid drinkers, the bottom line is an additional 1.363 trillion in debt over 10 years.


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Posted by Homerun
a resident of Livermore
on Oct 2, 2013 at 11:32 am



Herb winds up for the pitch and right waits for the pitch. Herb throws a fastball down the middle and there is the crack of the bat, back, back, back, waaaaaay back and it is out of here..........a home run!!!!!!!!


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Posted by Lonnie
a resident of Vineyard Hills
on Oct 2, 2013 at 1:57 pm

It appears there's some little kid who's using multiple names and saying the same thing.

The claim about a 1.363 trillion debt caused by Obamacare is pure rubbish.

Some people will have their insurance subsidized, to be sure. The primary subsidizers will be the wealthy -- the top 2% -- because that's as it should be. They already pay a tax rate way too low, and because of such, the USA is an embarrassment to most of the developed world. Every civilized nation in the world offers universal health care, but worry warts like the little kid who uses many names somehow are only concerned about additional taxes on the wealthy.

Is it possible some of the burden of subsidizing health insurance will fall upon the middle class? Unlikely, unless that is the Republicans become a majority (not likely). But if they do, they will make every effort to give back to the wealthy and to further erode middle-class quality of life.


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Posted by PW take down this
a resident of Birdland
on Oct 2, 2013 at 4:45 pm

PW,

Please take down this post. Lonnie and Herb are the exact same person and just trolling the others here.


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Posted by Really?
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 2, 2013 at 5:09 pm

I love that Herb and Lonnie actually have something to say. Others have no response to their party turning on the will of the country- as demonstrated through two presidential elections- and can only insult and repeat Faux news talking points.

This deliberate stunt by the GOP is not about what is best for the American people, and for those who dont see that, its time to take a clear look at what the Rep. are purposely doing to derail our President/country.

So why are you not answering to that? If this were the Dems, closing down the Gov. in protest over gun control laws, would you be reacting the same way?

The mentality that leadership is about being the 'winner' is a serious issue that is ruining the GOP and the very structure of our government. Is this the direction you were all hoping to go now?


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Posted by Right
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 2, 2013 at 8:27 pm

Lonnie, what is wrong with you? the CBO provided those number...did you figure out how to click on the link I provided...do you need someone to read the contents to you? When you moved here from Berkeley, did you give all you worldly possessions to the bums on telegraph before you scooted out of town? Your so generous with other people's money, it's no wonder hypocrites like you are ridiculed amongst normal residents of our city.


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Posted by Herb Fasteau
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 3, 2013 at 2:57 pm

Here's Republican teabag libertarian luminary Rand Paul caught on a live microphone, telling the turtle-man, McConnell, that Republicans have to continue "going" over and over again 'We're willing to compromise.' What Paul forget to mention is that there's nothing to compromise after you've waged a multi-year campaign against ABA AND LOST. Here's Paul, whispering into McConnell's ear hole:

"I just did CNN and I just go over and over again 'We're willing to compromise. We're willing to negotiate.' I think... I don't think they poll tested we won't negotiate. I think it's awful for [Democrats] to say that over and over again," Paul said.
"Yeah, I do too and I, and I just came back from that two hour meeting with them and that, and that was basically the same view privately as it was publicly," McConnell agreed.

Paul added, "I think if we keep saying, 'We wanted to defund it. We fought for that and that we're willing to compromise on this', I think they can't, we're gonna, I think... well, I know we don't want to be here, but we're gonna win this, I think."

Again, that's leading Republican 2016 presidential contender Rand Paul, operating from a position of real strength: "I think they can't, we're gonna, I think ... well, I know we don't want to be here, but we're gonna win this [thing we already lost, time and again], I think." [His grammar is worse than the illiterate Right's!]


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Oct 3, 2013 at 5:35 pm

Herb, I don't know if you qualify for a Kaiser Health Plan but I've sure received excellent health care. They have excellent surgeons in their cardiology departments and I would not be the least bit surprised if you quality for a plan that could meet your needs.

I don't know if you're a senior citize? If you are, check out Kaiser immediately.

Herb, don't answer anybody who posts if it stresses you out. There are many folks who don't know you and quite often, they will try to harm innocent people. Ignore them. Call Kaiser and find out if you qualify.

You will receive excellent care. For sure, I'm still ALIVE! BEST!


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