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Americans Continue to Support Unions, Despite Weak Labor Laws and Corporate Media Messaging

Original post made by Mike Cherry, Another Pleasanton neighborhood, on Aug 23, 2013

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Posted by Daveg
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 23, 2013 at 2:09 pm

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Mikie continues to spout his "fascism" theories and each time put on the spot to produce some kind of verification, just can't produce. He has been shot down on every posting he has submitted and each time he is called out, he resorts to school yard name calling.


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Posted by Mike Cherry
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 23, 2013 at 2:23 pm

Nice try, Dave. Very high-minded response. Readers will be impressed with your intellect.


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Posted by Angry
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 23, 2013 at 3:12 pm

Apprentice skill unions are VERY DIFFERENT than PUBLIC unions, First and most obvious, very different EMPLOYERS ! In skilled private sector unions, the employERS can DECLARE BANKRUPTCY AND DISAPPEAR !
.... start a different business elsewhere. We the "PUBLIC" are hostages, prisoners, made victims to a system that should NOT exist in a public agency.
We need a Governor who makes both the 'will' and the 'good' of the PEOPLE foremost in his goals and actions. We should be like Boston, New York, Chicago, and not allow PUBLIC unions to strike. Actually, like DEM Pres, Franklin D. Roosevelt believed, it is an impossible conflict, and that PUBLIC unions COULD NOT work.. Here we are with unions lacking decency, integrity, and the basic understanding of balance and economics. WE Americans have lost our basic freedoms and protections. To BE FREE, We must END this CA/San Francisco greed and insanity.


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Posted by Joe
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 23, 2013 at 3:13 pm

Some facts:
--Union membership is down to 11.9% of the workforce. It's been sliding down from a post-WWII high of 32% (Federal Bureau of Labor Statistics).
--Public support of unions is at a new low, at less than 50% (New Yorker Magazine, 2011).
--Twice as many people (68%) think that unions help mostly their members as think they help the broader population (34%). (Slate Magazine, 2012).


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Posted by Angry
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 23, 2013 at 3:23 pm

Mike, you are really misleading readers. BART is a PUBLIC union, which the public despises, and which is what WE have been discussing. You are now trying to interject an entirely DIFFERENT topic. WE are interested in unions where WE are EMPLOYERS against our will, forced to do things against our will! ! !


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Aug 23, 2013 at 4:22 pm

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There is an annual Gallup poll on this topic (typically released at the end of August). The most recent can be found here: Web Link At best, support is stagnant.


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Posted by Mike Cherry
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 23, 2013 at 4:50 pm

Lots of really intelligent feedback. Thanks for the feedback guys. (BTW support for public sector unions is at approx. 66%, higher even than private sector unions.)


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Posted by JT
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 23, 2013 at 6:36 pm

Mike has a ton of hate in his posting. Once again saying anybody who does not believe like him is evil. He has no ability to see there is more than one side to the argument.

Believe whatever you want Mike. However, if you have to keep selling everybody that the public employee unions are highly supported, that is a good sign that they are not. And in the order of support for public employee unions, any public employee union that can hold the public hostage with a strike with way above pay and benefits is despised. I think most people feel the offer by management to the unions is too generous.


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Posted by Mike Cherry
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 23, 2013 at 9:40 pm

JT ... believe what you want, you usually do. (Way to go in developing those 'other sides to the argument'. Bravo.)


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Aug 23, 2013 at 10:05 pm

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Mike, Much as you will try, a thousand words do not launch a picture.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Aug 23, 2013 at 10:28 pm

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Sorry, should have said a thousand words are not worth a picture.


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Posted by Mike Cherry
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 24, 2013 at 10:20 am

Well, there you have it. Even with considerable help from PW editors, the anti-union clown club can only muster what they've provided above, capped off with KR's prescient comments, er, nonsense, in the above two posts. Once forced to step beyond the terms provided by Fox and other corporate media, the anti-union reactionaries, after revealing the thinness of their claims, can only snipe away while showing their bitterness.

Fortunately, a majority of US citizens remain committed in its support of unions, and this in the face of daily anti-union rhetoric and pro-corporation adoration by so many pols and, of course, the corporate media itself.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Aug 24, 2013 at 11:44 am

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Mike, The truth is the slim 2% margin of support in the Gallup poll could be about to shift out of union favor. And we will know that before the 60 day cooling off period expires if the annual report is published on August 31st as usual. You have the actions of three unions in the Bay Area and the numerous bankrupt cities, counties, and organizations across the country that might take support below 50%. Time will tell.


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Posted by Mike Cherry
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 24, 2013 at 12:05 pm

Another extremely insightful comment by KR. Wow. Let's blame everything on the workers. Surely this will be the track chosen by the corporate media, and the gullible will go right along with it. Rest assured, however, once all the facts come out in a case, and the public is able to sift through the propagandistic tripe spooned out by management and the corporate media, a majority of the public will continue to express its support for unions.

What is funny (perversely) to me, is how quick to dump on unions the anti-union clown club is, but with absolutely no acknowledgement of why unions, and especially public sector unions, are necessary for a functioning democracy. No, all we get is a flurry of hand waving and petulant lies from the clown club about how union workers make too much money. Ignorance? Willful deceit? Damaged egos? Envy? Who knows?


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Aug 24, 2013 at 3:28 pm

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Using the Rules for Radicals playbook. Maybe we should organize the AUCC.

First. one has to make a big leap to determine not supporting union demands equates to a conspiracy against unions. I happen to think the offer on the table is generous to already well paid employees. Second, one has to believe unions are necessary for a functioning democracy. I don't. Third, one has to believe you can get rid of unions. I don't believe that either. Fourth, one has to believe that getting rid of unions is a necessary goal. I see no purpose in that goal. Acknowledgement is needed on the correlation between potential earnings and the experience/responsibilities/skills required to do the job.

The petulant lies, as you are well aware, have all been yours.


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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Aug 24, 2013 at 6:45 pm

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From "Rules": According to Alinsky, the main job of the organizer is to bait an opponent into reacting. 'The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength.'"

It is possible to be against union demands without dismantling a union.


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Posted by Daveg
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 25, 2013 at 6:59 am

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After reading this link Web Link it's apparent that the unions have no thoughts of being reasonable in their negotiations with BART.


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