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on Jun 7, 2013
Sorry to hear that there has been a fatality. My husband is Bay Area trucker and he's been stuck in the ensuing traffic for over an hour and has only moved 3 miles...nightmare all the way around.
...or are they? I love how motorcyclists think they are invincible. Regardless of who's fault, if you collide with a car, you're going down. Motorcyclists think they are such tough guys.
Its appalling that these guys think they can weave through traffic, disobeying traffic laws. When they crash and cause traffic backups, there should be a calculus so that their family members are made to make restitution to the taxpayers. I'm tired of paying for other people's stupid mistakes.
It is legal in California to "split lanes": Web Link
A motorcyclist explained this was because older motorcycles would overheat (air cooled?) idling for too long. Supposedly that is no longer the case for the majority of motorcycles, but the law has remained.
While I disagree with the law, even the best motorcyclist hasn't got a prayer against anything bigger riding on the road. So it's legal and the article doesn't say who caused the accident and snarled up traffic. Maybe it's time to change the law.
The law says its okay to lane share when traffic is stopped or slowed. It doesn't say its okay to weave in and out in a dangerous manner, cutting me and everyone else off like there was no tomorrow. No wonder these guys die like flies. But the real issue is who gets restitution? Why does the state have to use tax payer money to scrape these guys off the pavement? If they have any money or an estate left over, the state should first collect everything that is owed before a single scent goes to the family. I'm tired of paying for other people's stupidity, especially those that die and leave john q. taxpayer holding the bag.
Steve, the coverage is sparse on this particular accident and its cause. What if another driver was at fault?
It seems the insurance companies must pay for some of this already--tow trucks, ambulances, etc. Perhaps they would cover the cost of police (CHP or local) and the coroner, no doubt at great expense to individual drivers (the state would surely mandate the coverage to ensure they are repaid the expense).
Barring that, I think the law should be changed. A motorcycle shouldn't be allowed to split lanes anymore than a Fiat 500 or Smart car (or get away with the bobbing and weaving).
The riders that weave through traffic are a danger to all drivers
Why not have a motorcycle only lane? That way they can race each other and not endanger the rest of the drivers on the road. Every accident increases everyone's insurance
HOV lanes are open to motorcyclists. Maybe just having more of them would be easier than creating another privileged lane. I think you'd still need to change the law so they act like cars in any other lanes, especially to get to an exit.
Yes, absolutely Kathleen. I can tell you're really into this. So perhaps you can find out more for us about the conditions of the road, who was at fault, what kind of motorcycle, prior offenses, was alcohol/drugs involved, was he insured, and if so what was on the policy.
Then perhaps someone else among us can begin to write up a petition on changing laws regarding lane sharing among bikers.
I'll be happy to continue pressing for restitution from the deceased's family, because taxpayers shouldn't have to pay one penny for traffic back-ups, scrap up of body parts, and all the other factors involved in these kinds of thing. It's kind of galling that the state can't do this work for us, but instead makes us conscientious taxpayers have to do all the heavy lifting.
Kathleen, we'll expect to hear your report at your earliest convenience. This is a very important matter.
"I'll be happy to continue pressing for restitution from the deceased's family" I'm not sure why you believe the deceased's family should pay without knowing if s/he caused the accident. If you said the person who caused the accident should pay, it would be a different discussion. You are just hellbent on the motorcyclist paying. Having never been in this situation and hoping neither you nor I ever are, I don't know what insurance companies cover versus taxpayers. I'm happy to write to the powers that be asking they consider changing the law allowing lane splitting. What will you do?
Great work, Kathleen. Hope you'll share your letter with us before you send it off. I'm pretty decent at proof reading, so I'll put in my fair share. But we're still awaiting your full investigation of the motorcycle accident in question, and the degree of the culprit's culpability. I can't go much further on my end until you provide us with all the details. Keep at it! We're really making progress on what is becoming a more and more significant case!
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I sympathize, Jill. And I think the (Word removed by Pleasanton Weekly Online staff) deserves to make restitution, not so much to your cousin who is now deceased, but to all of us who were unwillingly brought into the situation and made to pay for the clean-up.
Kathleen has kindly consented to investigate the recent motorcycle death that will cost us all dearly unless we can get his family to make restitution. Perhaps she'd agree to investigate the loose board incident that took the life of your cousin and cost taxpayer citizens much too much in the process. Good luck. I think we're on to something very exciting!
Simple, lane splitting causes accidents/deaths. Not all are the motorcyclists fault. I'll let you use your "skills" to find the statistics.
That isn't much of a letter, Kathleen. Surely the above isn't what you intend to send to the state, is it? You've rather let us down on this.
My own skills are best directed toward editing. Perhaps we can recruit Arnold to uncover the statistics, which he is really good at. And that'll free you up to uncover the facts of the accident and other dirt, which you're really good at.
Simple, any type of driving causes accidents/death. Other causes of death include pollution, tax cuts that rob the needy of services, guns, knives, piano wire, second-hand smoke, first-hand smoke, bacteria, viruses, allowing enough time to pass, dehydration, drugs and alcohol, ham sandwiches, OJ Simpson, fire, poverty, natural disasters, falling anvils, ricin, American military aggression, sunlight, lack of sunlight, CHUDS, gravity, gang violence, faulty organs, and child-friendly toys.
As always, Staceleen, thanks for sounding like you're saying something when you're not really saying anything at all.
By that measure, living causes death. Have a wonderful Sunday!
Perhaps you've seen the "Share the road" campaign. It doesn't seem very effective given there is still loss of life. Half the time motorcyclists are not at fault yet still lose their lives. If you want lane splitting to continue, you can write your own letter on the topic.
Staceleen, where are you getting your statistics, may I ask? From your own imagination, or are they from the usual gossip mill from which you pull your info on Gene's Fine Foods union activities and Obama's secret birth certificate?
You've never posted a link to anything to support your comments. I actually did do the research on motorcycles; it's there for for you to find.
Yes, we've already discussed the incorrect information I got from speaking to a Gene's employee. At least I can admit the error and apologize.
I'm not a participant in the conspiracy theories about the president. We can talk about his policies separately though.
Ah, back to the old "yes, I have proof, but I won't show you" routine, eh Staceleen? Just like you secretly donate to the schools, even though you've taken every opportunity over the past several years to poison the discourse every time people try to help solve PUSD's funding problems.
That kind of crap probably convinced the dumber kids in your clique when you were little, but grown ups provide facts to support their claims.
Back to goading. The people who need to know about our support already know. You know my stance is specificity will get my vote, no matter the amount. I see a request for second grade CSR. Bring it.
Yesterday, Kathleen expressed a willingness to write a letter on our behalf to the state. "I'm happy to write to the powers that be asking they consider changing the law allowing lane splitting."
Then, later, she states: "If you want lane splitting to continue, you can write your own letter on the topic."
Kathleen, again I implore you. Can you not extricate yourself from the entanglements you seem always to create and write the letter you assured us you would? I for one, and I know I am not alone, await your letter with baited breath. Please! Make haste! We need you.
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What I have said is I believe lane splitting is dangerous to both motorcyclists and motorists, and that I would write a letter to state my concerns. It represents only how I feel on the topic. Despite assertions on another thread, there is compassion in my request to end an outdated practice that causes injury or death to any driver of any vehicle. It is not, however, an insistence that lane splitting is of monumental importance nor a request to remove motorcycles from the roadways nor to lower my taxes nor to do whatever other fantastical notions you wish to claim.
"How does one know if she has forgiven? You tend to feel sorrow over the circumstance instead of rage, you tend to feel sorry for the person rather than angry with him. You tend to have nothing left to say about it all." --Clarissa Pinkola Estes You certainly don't need my forgiveness, and I most definitely have nothing left to say.
I'd say sloppy or 'tuned out' driving was more than likely, from a texting or talking car driver, who was not alert or driving defensively. I certainly hope the police have checked the driver's phone company for the moment of accident ! ! !
My much older son, a grad of Amador a long time ago, commutes to work on a wide bike with side compartments.
different but related..... I cannot believe the number of drivers who stupidly drive along a rear bumper, which is a BLIND SPOT...either go forward or fall back. Keep your mind 'engaged' when the engine is running!!
Who said it was the motorcyclist's fault? The cyclist could've been minding his own business when the truck not, not paying attention to the stop and go traffic in that area, could've rear ended him.
Check the facts before you call hell on cyclists.
Wow, others can go on and on...But I can't come on and not only stick up for my cousin, but explain exactly what happened...Nice, "P", real nice. Oh well, it's in the new update anyways, so whatever.
Poking around on Google, I found out that this guy hit a big board in the middle of the lane. One eye-witness wrote he was one of the more sane people on the freeway that day. The board got stuck in his back tire. He hung on as long as he could. Someone suggested tying down whatever you're hauling securely. One random board on the freeway killed this rider. He has left many many behind and was loved deeply. RIP
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