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Saturday vigil to honor slain horses

Original post made on Nov 20, 2008

A candlight vigil for Choctaw and Lucky, two horses killed on a private Livermore ranch in October, hopes to bring attention to the ongoing investigations for the person(s) responsible.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Thursday, November 20, 2008, 3:08 PM

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Posted by frank
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Nov 20, 2008 at 4:23 pm

Would not this headline be more accurate if it said "remember" rather than "honor slain horses"? The way it reads sound ludicrous. What are the horses being honored for?

The vigil to remember the horses and their tragedy and the sadness caused the family is certainly worthwhile.


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Posted by B Gal
a resident of another community
on Nov 20, 2008 at 4:42 pm

OMG Frank.....You are ludicrous. These animals should be honored.


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Posted by Another Gatetree Resident
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Nov 20, 2008 at 5:52 pm

Frank, I agree with you -- BUT -- remember we're talking the Pleasanton Weekly here. NOT the San Francisco Chronicle or the New York Times.

It's a throw-away rag and the writing often reflects that classification.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Nov 20, 2008 at 6:10 pm

Did somebody just say the SF Chronicle...hahahahahahahahahahahahha...

I might show up but it depends upon the weather.


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Posted by Another Gatetree Resident
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Nov 20, 2008 at 7:06 pm

Cholo -- Your Chronicle doesn't get delivered? Guess that's because they don't rely on the MAILMAN to make their delivery.

Regardless, the writing far surpasses that found in the Weekly. Not to mention they don't play to "special interest groups."

"Bing!"


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Posted by frank
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Nov 20, 2008 at 8:07 pm

At least the folks over at the Independent have their heads screwed on right. They call it a "memorial". No honoring the dead horses for whatever...


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Posted by M
a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Nov 20, 2008 at 8:12 pm

honor is to show respect for. we honor the deceased. what's the problem, frank? *you* need not honor or remember them. and why are gatetree residents trashing when they're reading?

good luck to you both


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Posted by frank
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Nov 20, 2008 at 9:18 pm

Language has a purpose. Words have meaning. Don't try spinning the meaning of the word "honor" into something else just to fit your ideas.

Below are the first eight definitions copied from the Free Online Dictionary.
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hon·or (nr)
n.
1. High respect, as that shown for special merit; esteem: the honor shown to a Nobel laureate.
2.
a. Good name; reputation.
b. A source or cause of credit: was an honor to the profession.
3.
a. Glory or recognition; distinction.
b. A mark, token, or gesture of respect or distinction: the place of honor at the table.
c. A military decoration.
d. A title conferred for achievement.
4. High rank.
5. The dignity accorded to position: awed by the honor of his office.
6. Great privilege: I have the honor to present the governor.
7. Honor Used with His, Her, or Your as a title and form of address for certain officials, such as judges and mayors: Her Honor the Mayor.
8.
a. Principled uprightness of character; personal integrity.
b. A code of integrity, dignity, and pride, chiefly among men, that was maintained in some societies, as in feudal Europe, by force of arms.
c. A woman's chastity or reputation for chastity.
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But, let's not stop here and instead go on:
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honor·er n.
Synonyms: honor, homage, reverence, veneration, deference
These nouns denote admiration, respect, or esteem accorded to another as a right or as due. Honor is the most general term: The hero tried to be worthy of the honor in which he was held.
Homage is often in the form of a ceremonial tribute that conveys allegiance: "There is no country in which so absolute a homage is paid to wealth" Ralph Waldo Emerson.
Reverence is a feeling of deep respect and devotion: "Kill reverence and you've killed the hero in man" Ayn Rand.
Veneration is both the feeling and the reverential expression of respect, love, and awe: Her veneration for her mentor never wavered.
Deference is courteous, respectful regard for another that often implies yielding to him or her: The funeral was arranged with deference to the family of the deceased.
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Where do the dead horses fit in?


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Posted by Christine
a resident of Del Prado
on Nov 21, 2008 at 9:20 am

Choctaw and Lucky are being HONORED for their years of community service. Choctaw served this community his entire life for both the Shriners and the Hoofprints of the Heart charity organizations. He was used for many charity fundraisers, parades, community awareness, theraputic riding for physically/mentally challenged kids and adults, charity events for the Shriners Hospital. He was also a figure of the mounted Shriners patrol and was the lead horse for their events. So yes Choctaw does deserve to be honored, and I will be there tomorrow to do so, hope every one else how can be there will.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Nov 21, 2008 at 10:13 am

The owners should be HONORED for providing their horses for such causes. Horses either enjoy or dislike activities they are exposed to, but hardly have a say in what the owners chose for them.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Nov 21, 2008 at 10:19 am

Note that Christine of Del Prado still wrote, "He was used" even despite attempts to humanize Choctaw to the degree that the horse had free will in choosing what activities he partook of.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Nov 21, 2008 at 10:23 am

By the way, this is a really funny topic (not the horse killing, but the absurd language usage). Even the subtitle is wrong, "Invistigation continues over killing of Choctaw and Lucky".


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Nov 21, 2008 at 10:34 am

Somebody just ended a sentence with a preposition!

Some people think that horse steak is yummy...


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Posted by Christine
a resident of Del Prado
on Nov 21, 2008 at 11:06 am

The owners have been honored for their community service, the horses also enjoyed what service they did, the horses liked the parades, attention and theraputic rides. They enjoyed being around the children they helped. They would have their show saddles put on for events and would become excited by it. Their owners never made them do anything or "use" them for anything they did not enjoy, they were by no means forced to do any of these activities. Obviously the horses cannot go on their own accord to do this kind of work so "used" is an acceptable term. The whole purpose of this vigil is to bring attention to this horrible crime and try to find the disgusting people who are responsible for murdering two beautiful animals who were an integral part of a family, a family which has been devastaed by this. So grammar lessons aside, the issue is to find who is responsible for killing animals in the area and make them pay for their crime.


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Posted by ?
a resident of Avila
on Nov 21, 2008 at 12:14 pm

Another Gatetree resident --- Perhaps the SF Chronicle or NYTimes forums are better. Go there.


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Posted by mbbl
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 21, 2008 at 1:59 pm

Why so much Weekly bashing? If this is such a bad "rag", why go onto their site and READ the forums?? Stick with what you like & stay away from this one. It's not hard to do.


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Posted by YCG
a resident of Downtown
on Nov 21, 2008 at 4:12 pm

I am completely shocked at the individuals commenting on the language used in the article; and their cold hearted inability to recognize what happened to these animals that did NOTHING to deserve such pain! The animals WILL be honored by 100's or more and your thoughts/comments mean NOTHING but to your own bitter, selfish satisfaction. You should be ashamed of your self. The animals helped people/kids/groups etc. bottom line; regardless of who directed them to. Stop using this tragedy to vent your own unhappiness (Frank). Give these animals some respect - NOW!


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Posted by Another Gatetree Resident
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Nov 21, 2008 at 5:35 pm

Where else would I hear about things impacting my neighborhood if not for the sniping that goes on here?

I don't read the Weekly. It goes immediately in the trash. I do read the forum because there are people here (such as Stacey and others) who speak the truth in various subjects -- even those the PW won't write about, let alone publish as it doesn't benefit them politically or financially.


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Posted by frank
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Nov 21, 2008 at 6:41 pm

I began this thread by stating:

"The vigil to remember the horses and their tragedy and the sadness caused the family is certainly worthwhile."

By this statement I recognized that a tragedy occurred as well as an injustice, and the family has suffered a loss. I sympathize with the family. The tragedy should be kept alive in the public's eye so the perpetrators can be found.

However, I don't honor the horses for anything.

I, like most others in this world, choose to honor people, not animals, who don't have free choice nor the intellect that goes along with it.

I honor the deceased, especially our war dead, who over the history of our country sacrificed their lives for our benefit. Even now, our sons and daughters die or suffer horrible injuries in Iraq and Afghanistan. I honor them.

I honor my parents who were responsible for my life.

I honor the founders of our country who laid the foundation for the freedoms we enjoy today.

I honor people who accomplished great achievements, by their choice to dedicate themselves to their goals.

I honor people who by their choices accomplished things that benefit all of us.

I honor people that sacrificed themselves to feed the hungry, educate the masses, and to help the poor.

I choose to not denigrate the meaning of the word "honor" by choosing to honor animals.

You folks may choose to honor animals, and animals whose owners used them for good purposes, and may certainly believe that the horses chose to give "so much to the community". That's your right. Go honor them.





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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Nov 21, 2008 at 8:02 pm

How come nobody is concerned about all the animals that you kill and eat? They're not being honored?

Shut up YCG...NAZI!


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Posted by Pierre
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Nov 21, 2008 at 10:19 pm

You people are pathetic! The only people with any sense are Christine and YCG. Why don't the rest of you stop crying about words in the article and make yourselves useful by trying to locate the low life scum that did this horrific crime!


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Nov 21, 2008 at 10:29 pm

YCG confuses the issue of poor writing by PW with how people feel about the horse killing.

Another Gatetree Resident (AGR, HRG?),
You flatter me. Thanks. :) I think you can request to stop PW delivery.

Cholo,
Certain animals used to be afforded great respect during sacrifice or during a hunt. The bear, for example, was feared by certain Siberian tribes who performed cleansing rituals prior to a hunt and afterward the bones were hung up on a tree so that the bear may reincarnate and again provide sustenance to the tribe. Not quite the same thing as being honored...


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Posted by frank
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Nov 22, 2008 at 12:01 am

I find Pierre, Christine, and YCG pathetic animal worshippers. My advice to you is to join the human race. Further, you ignore the basic stupidity of the PW article stating the vigil was to "honor" dead horses. What an insult to humanity! The Independent got it right, it is a memorial!


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Posted by Another Gatetree Resident
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Nov 22, 2008 at 3:52 pm

Stacey -- Can you clarify???

(AGR, HRG?),

And you are welcome. I often enjoy your posts for their candor and insight.

As for requesting the stop of the PW delivery -- I'll investigate, but sometimes it does make a good "streak-free" window washing tool. The cheap newsprint used seems to work really, really well.


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Posted by Stacey
a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Nov 22, 2008 at 9:17 pm

Another Gatetree Resident,

It was somewhat of an inside joke. You've got a long screen name. AGR should be your initials. It reminded me of the fan initials (HRG) for a character on the TV series Heroes.

So, you wash your windows weekly? :)


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Posted by Another Gatetree Resident
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Nov 23, 2008 at 5:14 am

Thanks for the clarification, Stacey.

As for windows -- Hardly weekly! But I have a fair amount of them -- and they are big!

I also pass them along to a friend of mine who uses them in her puppy pens. Her latest female delivered 9 puppies, so she went through along of rag material.


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Posted by Mike
a resident of Del Prado
on Dec 1, 2008 at 10:34 pm

Ok, we get it two horses were killed. Remember them in your own way and move on. My dog was killed two years ago and I got over it.

Let the police investigate the crime.

For the record I like the weekly.


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Posted by jkleitsch
a resident of California Reflections
on Dec 25, 2008 at 1:07 pm

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