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on Feb 28, 2013
Being late for class is not acceptable. High school exists to prepare the student for the next phase toward a productive life. That could mean continued education or not, but the end game is to get prepared to work in a competitive business environment. Being late for work is not acceptable.
I attended the Friday Forum referenced in the article. Dwyer said kids could ask a campus supervisor to go to their car without the pass. It's taking kids 1/3 of their lunch period to go to the office, to their car and back to the office. The go to the office/return to the office pass process is silly and not well thought through.
There are still not enough tables for all the displaced kids who used to escape the crowded situations by going to their cars. When this topic was raised at the forum in January to get parent "buy in," admin implied they would address it prior to closing the lots. They did not.
Dwyer also said they can't implement the late policy until the district signs off on it because parents complaints about the traffic and fear of a lawsuit. Really? The majority of parent and student drivers do not get on the road until 15-30 minutes before school starts. It's not rocket science that if you leave 10-15 minutes earlier, or use other drop off points you won't be stuck in the long backup. A parent at the forum stated they won't put their kid on the bus because it picks up too early. It's a matter of 15 minutes and less vehicles on the road. Do these complaining parents plan to call their student's employers in a few years to complain about the traffic and why their kid can't get to work on time? Maybe they could learn about on-time arrival now when the punishment is a detention vs. losing their job in a few years because they can't be bothered to leave 10-15 minutes earlier. A little less coddling and a little more accountability would go a long way in this situation.
Do they also give the teachers who are late for their class detention? Or do they get an automatic pass? This is hilarious tardy sweeps etc when the admistrators and teachers are late themselves. If teachers and administrators got to school 30 minutes prior to the student body we can minimize on traffic.
Are we sending our children to school or prison?
I think that all children be awarded a daily cream puff!
Is that cool or what?
Maybe half a cream puff for the kids who do extra credit as they have so much already, one puff for the average student and two for those who didn't do their homework because their parents don't care. I'm sure the kids would see the fairness of that.
Oh I forgot, a cream puff a day for life for PUSD management.
By high school these young adults should be able to get themselves to school on time. Knowing there is only one way in requires leaving home with plenty of time to spare. If they hit the snooze an extra time and get to school late and get caught up in a tardy sweep, that is their own fault. This goes for the parents too. If you are carpool, get the kids there early. I never cut my kids slack if they were late to school, and we live out by Ruby and they went to Foothill. This is part of the teaching/learning they experience in high school.
And the stories my kids came home with about what goes on in the parking lot during lunch (smh)...they should have closed them decades ago.
Stop being the snow plow parents...
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It's about time that the schools have stopped catering to spoiled kids and parents who enable them.. Getting to school on time is a step in preparing these kids for the real world.
Problem is not every kid is that way and the good kids have to suffer, I say kicked the sour apples out and let those who want to live normal clean lives get their education.
I recently returned from visiting a friend whose child goes to San Marcos High School in So. California. The "lock out" students who are late for every period, every day. She says that the students have learned to be on time. Their school is under renovation and the portable classrooms they are using are located 1/4 mile from the drop off point, so students and parents have to take into account that extra time. People have to learn to take responsibility for their choices.
The American school system was modeled after the Prussian Military system of the 1800's and was designed to house the children of immigrant factory workers until they could be sent to work in the factories. It breeds obedient order takers and is more like a prison than a modern workplace. To think that High School prepares one for well paying, thinking work in the information age is laughable. I can remember having an office job decades ago where they rated me on how much paper I could shuffle and file and being on time was required. For my current job in high tech I don't even go in everyday and no one pays attention to if I am there or not. I'm paid for my ability to think and influence and explain technology to customers. You might stop and wonder why most of the high tech jobs are not held by graduates of the American school system these days and concern yourselves with how you children are going to get a relevant education so that they can pay back their college loans and move out of your house one day.
Kids in high school need to be mature enough to take responsibility.If it means starting 15 mins earlier so be it. Parents stop coddling your kids.I agree with the comments that these kids will be out in the workforce in a few years so they need to learn. The world is not a kind place and one has to work hard and struggle to achieve success. we are too soft on our kids. No uniforms, no discipline no timings.
Lastly everyone is not smart enough or lucky enough to work in high tech. Some of these kids will be required to punch a time clock.
Amador has always required students to get a pass to go to the parking lot. If lack of tables is an issue then that needs to be addressed....students could bring it up with their parent faculty club, leadership team, student council etc. As for getting to school late, I agree leave the house earlier. My son usually rides his bike or the bus (which is 1/3 of a mile from our house). If he needs a ride we leave the house 30 min before school starts to avoid the traffic. Parents our children are more resilient than we think.
Why not make the school parking lot a revenue producer, ala Bart, charge to park say $3 per day, or annual fee of a few hundred. Then use the money received for drug conseling. That is , if drug use is actually the main concern.
Kids go to their cars at lunch to get high/smoke pot. That has been going on since the 1960's.
As far as being late, give the late students an hour of detention/study hall. They will manage to get to school on time if they know there is a consequence for being late.
Boo hoo....its High School......wait until you get out and you lose money for being late to work or to pick up your child.
give the young folks a chance...they are generally OK...stop picking on them...
Jeremy Bentham designed modern prisons (the Panopticon) and modern day classrooms. Modern day classrooms continue to be based on authoritarian models of which Bentham approved. I love it when the right wingers here wax so eloquent on the need for authority and personal responsibility. Knowledge, depth and breadth of thought, wisdom? No, so much. Let Fox News provide the answers there. Now, back to disciplining our teens....
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I believe it is the Foothill High School *teachers* who are the ones caught and arrested doing drugs like oxymorphone in parking lots. Web Link
Students in Eastern Europe are learning to program over the Internet using tools on Amazon Web Services and forming startup companies to do work for American companies around technologies such as Oracle data base systems. They only meet their clients once a year when they come to trade shows at Moscone Center in San Francisco. The rest of the time they are working independently on projects and no one is paying attention to when they start work or leave. I know because I met and talked with some of these people at Oracle Openworld in San Francisco. There was no luck about it. These people figured out where the jobs were and what the skills were and they learned them.
In the mean time American students are being treated like prisoners and being taught skills that will make them more suited for factory jobs, that no longer exist, than for modern jobs in technology, which is where all of the good jobs are, just down the road in silicon valley. Learning the skills for these jobs requires the ability to explore and be creative. There is no value in learning to sit like a factory worker and absorb canned lessons. The high paying factory jobs where you punched a clock and worked the assembly line are gone. The only jobs that require strict attendance are low paying jobs at Walmart. Is that what you are training your children for?
Children have a natural desire to learn. There is something wrong with the education system if you have to force people to attend. Children succeed when they free to think and explore. Standardized tests breed standardized thinkers. No child left behind means that no child gets ahead. It is no wonder that 500,000 American college graduates are unemployed and living with their parents wondering how they are going to pay off their student loans.
Many of you people on here are stuck in the past and think like the military or authoritarians. You are doing your children a massive disservice and you will pay the price when they can't afford to leave home and you are stuck making their student loan payments.
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