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"Howard Neely, a former school principal who withdrew from the City Council race for personal reasonsâ€”but too late to have his name removed from the ballotâ€”received 4,312 votes, or 12.17 percent of the votes cast. He threw his support to Pentin and asked voters to cast their ballots for Pentin. If all of them had, Pentin could have received 11,905 votes, slightly more than Sullivan's, to win a council seat."
Are you just adding Pentin's total to Neely's total? To say that Pentin could have beat Sullivan "if all of them had" cast their votes for him instead of Neely doesn't seem correct considering that each person had two votes and cannot cast them both for one person. Perhaps "all of them had" cast their two votes for Pentin and Neely!
It would be more interesting to consider the following: 1) that the number of votes for Neely is close to the number of people who signed the petition to put PP on the ballot (I wonder who is going to show up at every City Council meeting and repeat this fact over and over as proof that Council isn't listening?) and 2) most of Brozosky's support came from developments in the southeast hills (Web Link).
Matt Sullivan and Cindy McGovern are something to celebrate! Hosterman? I chalk that up to 4 more years of "do nothing."
Perhaps we can now go back to talking about non-political things, like why asparagus makes urine smell funny (Web Link). :)
"like why asparagus makes urine smell funny"
And almost immediately as well ;-)
So now we look forward to business as usual from hosterman. She will continue to treat her constituents with contempt, she will ignore the wishes of the voters, she will refuse to address or reply to the residents. But, hey, she will use taxpayer money to attend national meetings so that she can declare the world nuclear free or whatever other nonsense she deems important. Dear Jen, how bout a trip to Alaska to commiserate with Sarah? You can take your kids, bill the taxpayers and call it business, just like Sarah. You are both ultimate losers.
Yes another 4 more years of Hosterman ignoring those she alleges to support. :-(
I wasn't for Janet either, but it's better then the
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There were 74 write-ins for the mayoral election. I wonder who got written in. :)
I wrote in Ken Mercer's name
I think Ben Tarver got the most write-in votes...
The mayor's term is only two years...
In response to those anti-QQ people who were upset by the so-called "poison pill" in QQ, I'd like to point out the Council was being generous in writing QQ in such a manner that PP would still win if it got more votes and not that QQ would kill PP if QQ gained a majority. The point was to prevent conflict in case both won (as those measures did) with deferment being given to the measure with the most votes instead of the charge that Council is not listening to citizens.
Jack -- 4 or 2 years. Either way -- "Do Nothing" and "Waste."
Oh...idea for Jennifer. Maybe we should turn the electricity off in her office and during the council meetings so she understands what it is like to be kept in the dark. *LMAO*
So everything that goes wrong in Pleasanton is one persons fault.... Give me a break. Just like the President dosen't run the country alone, neither is Pleasanton run only by Jennifer. Step up and take responsibilty instead of placing blame. BTW she won by a wide margin which indicates she has likely won over past critics.
I'm really glad we don't have "the walking contradiction" as our mayor!
Sour Grapes -- I'm not sure either candidate was the best Pleasanton could produce. All I'm saying is I see Ms. Hosterman to be ineffective and we're apparently stuck with her for another 2 years. Guess for many BAU is acceptable.
As the late '70s Meatloaf song goes, two out of three ain't bad.
Measure PP effectively beat QQ, and the combination of Cindy McGovern and Matt Sullivan, who both listen to voters, solidly trounced the developers' and Chamber's choice to replace both, Jerry Pentin.
Can't wait 'til Cook-Kallio and Thorne (if he's eligible for another term, not sure) come up for re-election in 2010--beat one of them/win just one more Council seat of someone who doesn't rubber-stamp Hosterman's ideas and guess what? She becomes irrelevant. She better take advantage of her next two years, because methinks her personal party's over come 2010. She'll probably run for State Assembly at that point anyway, since Torrico will be termed out. Watch--you read it here first.
And to Fred, why don't you take your juvenile name-calling back to grade school? Interesting how the Hosterman Weekly doesn't pull personal insults like that (I've seen that derogatory term referring to Brozosky used many, many times on this site).
I think as the mayoral election showed, NIMBY-ism does not make a win. I somehow doubt that Sullivan and McGovern's support of PP allowed them to retain their seats. If you want true representation on City Council, then we should divide Pleasanton into four districts and each Council seat represents a district. Currently, Councilmembers have a responsibility to represent ALL of Pleasanton, to guard the public trust of the greater citizenry, and not to cave in to petty neighborhood v. neighborhood or NIMBY politics.
What happens next with PP and QQ? Does the win for QQ overrule PP, since they both won? I'm confused.
Never mind--I just re-read the article.
So if PP trumped QQ, banning development on ridgelines, does this mean the Oak Grove project is on hold?
Thanks anyone for clarifying.
If you re-read the text of QQ, you'll see there's a poison pill in it that says that since PP and QQ would create a conflict, whichever measure gets the most votes would trump the other.
PP doesn't affect the current Oak Grove project.
"Do Nothing" is good for Pleasanton. Keep it as is. But don't "Waste".
2 or 4 more years of Hosterman is to many. The vacant and going out business signs all over Pleasanton are terrible. I understand slow groth but declining growth? Hopefully the City Council will stand up to her.
They both passed. Hmmm. . . what now. There was nor provision in PP to negate QQ if they both passed. Hmmm. . .
Here's the text of the "poison pill" in QQ for those who missed it...
Section 5 Effectiveness
The initiative entitled Save Pleasanton's Hills & Housing Cap initiative, which appears on the same general municipal election ballot as this Initiative, shall be deemed to be in conflict with this Initiative. In the event that this Initiative receives a greater number of affirmative votes, the provisions of this Initiative shall prevail in their entirely (sic), and each and every provision of the other initiative shall be null and void.
John -- FYI -- The vacant and going out of business signs all over Pleasanton is something we can't give Jennifer credit for. That little crown is George Dubya's to wear all on his own.
Give me a break on blaming him. The next 4 years will be a joke of big promises that Nobama can't meet.
What has she done to bring business to Pleasanton?
Hosterman is part of a policy decision-making group. They hired a city manager to who basically hires for all positions of which one is an Economic Person. That is/was Pam Ott. I don't see much results out of her over the years but besides be economic girl she is also secial projects gal for the city manager. She is quite politically connected as she is Jim Ott's wife, the CEO of UNCLE and the guy who is on Channel 30 talking literary stuff and currently sitting on the school board. Besides garnering business you also have to retain it. That has met with mixed results as well. So.....blame the city manager for not getting more business into town because heis the top dog. Also the Chamber is weak in that area too. Main Street has no personality because it has little diversity in types of businesses. It was more "Main Street downtown when there was a shoe repair place and a hardware store, etc., etc. Now it's restaurants and banks--ugh.......If I have any complaint with Hosterman and other council members it's their being attached at the hip to the city manager.
What he says, they buy into--that and what the League of California Cities spews out. The lovefest between Thorne and the League bothers me. it's taken his imagination away I think. Things seem simple to me---JUST DO THE RIGHT THING
John -- Let's be clear. Jennifer has done little to nothing to help the situation, but our current economic mess is bigger than little Ms. Hosterman.
Jennifer won by a significant amount of votes. Get over it. Seems like the nay sayers mis-calculated the effect Measure PP would have on the Mayor election. We live in a great city and most of us know it. Lets stop the negativity and move on.
Yes she won, however there was no competition. Neither choice was best or of any value for Pleasanton.
Your reading of "this initiative" meant QQ. So, since they both pass they both take effect. There are however over 120,000 ballots left to be counted in Alameda County. So, we wait to see if the vote totals hold. The County has 30 days. Then, assuming vote totals stay same, the City Council would have to deal with reconciling the measures. So, the fun continues...
Main Street Diva,
PP doesn't ban houses on ridgelines. QQ can help clarify the definitions. Neither has any affect on Oak Grove, UNLESS Kay Ayala wins her appeal (unlikely). If she wins, then we would have a vote on Oak Grove.
Sorry, but it won't be Hosterman in 2010 for Assembly District 20. That would be Fremont City Councilmember Bob Wieckowski, Torrico's friend and likely hand-picked successor. The district is drawn to heavily favor Fremont, so it will be interesting what redistricting brings. You heard it here first.
Ah, right! I was interpreting that to also mean that QQ doesn't take effect if it doesn't get more votes than PP. I think it must be wrong then since QQ is supposed to be in conflict with PP.
Either way, if QQ lost PP would still need further clarifying ordinances as per the staff report.
So, does this mean the "Gang of Three" may still get a crack at PP...
What I want to know is if "The Voice of the Community" is going to be catering to the 10,000 people who voted for Brozosky, the 8,000 for Pentin, the 5,000 for Neely, the 9,000 for no on PP, and the 10,000 for no on QQ just as vigorously as he did for the 5,000 signers of the Oak Grove referendum and the PP petition? Or does he just do that when it is politically convenient enough for him to retain his Council seat?
When 9,000 people vote no on PP, that must mean the process isn't working. 9,000 is way more than 5,000 and way more than 3.
I should warn that the above post was meant to be facetious.
Stacey, my thoughts exactly. However, based on the sharpness of some of his comments directed at Cook-Kalio at the last Council meeting, I'm not holding my breath. It was a good sound bite.
Don't be surprised if you see Cook-Kalio take a shot at Torrico's seat in two years. He supported her and gave money to her two years ago for her Council race. She has ties to Fremont by the hundreds of children she's had in her classes over the years.
Jerry, I can't help but wonder if there won't be some kind of lawsuit filed challenging PP once all the ballots have been counted.
I think in hindsight it was a stupid question because I should already know the answer to it.
Answer: It depends upon the attendance frequency and vehemence of the speakers at the City Council meetings.
Hosterman has democrat ambitions bigger than the city of pleasanton. she picked up support (business community) only to advance her "career" in politics.
I wrote in Ken Mercer for mayor as did 7 other members of my family.
Typical that the Pleasanton Weekly's focus is entirely on the Chamber of Commerce-funded candidates. It's less a newspaper than a mouthpiece for the special-interest businessmen in the Chamber of Commerce BACPAC.
The article features photos of the three Chamber of Commerce-backed people: two of Hosterman, Pentin (even though he lost!!!), Cook-Kahlio (who is not running this election)--and none of two the winners in this election, Sullivan and McGovern. (The hidden Sullivan group photo doesn't count.)
Ann, I thought the same thing! Where were the photos of Kay Ayala's PP group, of Cindy McGovern's winning party, of Steve's concession, etc.
Looks like the camera only went to the candidates backed by the PW. Can we say, "Bias Reporting?" I thought newspapers were supposed to be neutral, or try to appear neutral. The PW is a bias supporter of the Chamber & BACPAC.
Karen, then to be fair, you need to also call out the Times for biased reporting as they made NO attempt to contact the candidates and Measures that they chose not to endorse. How can a newspaper make an informed endorsement without contacting the candidates or proponents of a Measure especially when none of their editorial staff live in Pleasanton?
I was appalled to learn that the Times did not hold ANY endorsement interviews. NONE! So how did they make their decisions on who to endorse????
Good comments. It did not occur to me that the Times did not cover the QQ/Jerry P/and Jen H parties. You are right.
One comment that the Times printed that resonated with me was that the Editor was dissappointed in the council's QQ measure put on the ballot to confuse voters. And that is exactly what it did. Lots of my friends said they could not figure out the difference, so they just voted "yes" for both hillside measures. I agree with the Times, that is not a good way to represent the public. Why didn't they just say "vote no" on PP?
Anyway, Hillside protection is way overdue - and the majority seems to agree on that.
"to confuse voters" and "Anyway, Hillside protection is way overdue - and the majority seems to agree on that."
I think anyone familiar with the values and past voting performance of the majority of Pleasanton residents on local issues would only be fooling themselves if they believed that PP would have failed if it stood alone on the ballot and everyone argued PP on its cons alone.
If voters were confused then, well, we all deserve the government we get then for not becoming educated on the issue so we're not confused. I think about all the paperwork and reports and meeting minutes and hours spend following these local issues to read and get educated about them. Now try to imagine that times 11 (for all the state propositions) that one would need to investigate just to make a highly informed decision. It is a mountain of work that the average voter has no time to wade through! Perhaps then the very existence of initiatives on a ballot is what REALLY confuses voters, not that there's dueling initiatives. Perhaps the average voter therefore should really have no business making decisions upon issues they are not prepared for. Personally, I vote no on the majority of propositions for this very reason.
"I think anyone familiar with the values and past voting performance of the majority of Pleasanton residents on local issues would only be fooling themselves if they believed that PP would have failed if it stood alone on the ballot and everyone argued PP on its cons alone."
I meant to add, the PP/QQ issue was never about "if" we want hillside protection, but "how" we should implement it.
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