Obama challenges homophobia in the Boy Scouts: Calls for an end to bigotry State, National, International, posted by Chris, a resident of the Canyon Meadows neighborhood, on Feb 5, 2013 at 10:09 am
Gay kids who want to "be prepared" alongside their straight peers got some big-time support during the Super Bowl yesterday: Barack Obama, honorary president of the Boy Scouts of America and real president of the United States, told CBS News in an interview that the Boy Scouts should lift its ban on the LGBTQ community.
"My attitude is that gays and lesbians should have access and opportunity the same way everybody else does, in every institution and walk of life," he said, calling the Scouts "a great institution" that offers skills that enrich the lives of all children, even boys who like other boys.
The Boy Scouts reaffirmed their longstanding ban on gay boys and adult leaders last July, but are voting this week on whether the decision of allowing gay members should be left to local Scout governing boards. "The policy change under discussion would allow the religious, civic or educational organizations that oversee and deliver scouting to determine how to address this issue," Scouts spokesman Deron Smith said in a statement. "The Boy Scouts would not, under any circumstances, dictate a position to units, members or parents." That means that faith-based chartering groups could (and would likely) continue to exercise their ongoing bigotry while prohibiting gay scouts and leaders, so conservatives don't have to start rambling about the horrors of letting all types of boys learn how to tie square knots , and how it is people's right to deny equal status to little boys. But obviously they have, because this is AMERICA and bigots have the right to speak freely about how gay people shouldn't have rights.
Many bigots, still chafing after golf clubs were made to open their doors to women and ethnic minorities, have already voiced their support for never changing any antiquated rules ever. If the school is private, then let them excluse whomever that want to, some have repeated since Civil Rights legislation was passed. "And if the restaurant is privately owned, let them sit black folk or gay people wherever they want to, or even exclude them altogether." "For the Nanny state to come in and step on private rights to discriminate against gays, women, African Americans is just, well, lamentable," stated yet another bigot.
Posted by liberalism is a disease, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Feb 7, 2013 at 10:23 am liberalism is a disease is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
Chris one of the problems with you people and your bigoted outlook, is that you want to use name calling and intimidation to get what you want.
That should be your first indication that your perspective is wrong.
Your comment about the 'attempt to preserve that white straight male christian power thingy' says it all: you come across as angry and butch and have been passed by as unqualified in business and life.
Posted by Den Mom , a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 8, 2013 at 2:53 pm
FYI people. As someone who was heavily involved in Scouting each troop/pack needs to be sponsored by an organization....any guess which organizations do the most sponsoring??? The largest is Church of Latter Day Saints with Protestant Churches a close second, followed by other religious organizations (Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc.). A report in USA Today a couple of weeks ago mentioned the number of Troops/Packs which will lose their sponsors, if BSA changes their tune. Like certain Christian denominations which have allowed practicing homosexuals to be ministers and changing their ordinations, there will be a mass exodus of sponsors and families who have been the BSA staples. No I'm not a homophobe, I have dear friends and family who are homosexual, and I do believe that homosexuals have a right to be married by the state (or their own religion) and have all the federal and state benefits associated with marriage - what I'm against is them forcing organizations, businesses and individuals to believe as they do - talk about intolerant!
Posted by chris, a resident of the Canyon Meadows neighborhood, on Feb 8, 2013 at 10:01 pm
Den Mom, thump your chest all you want to. Your words are those of a bigot. On your logic, churches should be able to exclude people on the basis of color, gender, or yes sexual orientation. Restaurant owners who 'believe' some races are unclean, would be able to enforce their beliefs by refusing to serve those races. You are no different. Your views are precisely those articulated by the kkk over the past many decades. Wake up and join us in the 21st century.
Posted by Jack, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 9, 2013 at 8:20 am
chris makes good point. I think if a club or restaurant or whatever thinks that some races are unclean or corrupt then it is the club's business who they let in. For all you liberals that is called freedom of association and that is in the constitution.
Posted by Den Mom , a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 11, 2013 at 11:35 am
@ Chris - for your information I am mixed African-American and N. European (my dad dealt with riding in the back of the bus and was in DC with Dr. King), I also have family members and dear friends who are homosexuals. Homosexuality ISN'T a race, it is a sexual preference, lifestyle, and culture. A PRIVATE organization, which has a BELIEF system as part of their tenants is different from a business. All I was pointing out is the truth. Those who believe different from total acceptance of the current homosexual culture are being demonized as intolerant. That in itself is intolerant. BTW I'm not against homosexual scout leaders, UK, Europe and Canada have had them for years; it's only an issue in the US. My issue is with the militant homosexual fringe who demonize anyone who believes differently than them.
Posted by Judith, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Feb 11, 2013 at 11:44 am
And now, supplementing her bigotry with ignorance -- "Homosexuality ... is a sexual preference, lifestyle, and culture" -- Den Mom wants us to believe that her intolerance of gays in boy scouts is really, truly, gays being intolerant of her intolerance. The only difference being, of course, that HER kid gets to join the boy scouts, while gay kids, or kids of gays, not so much. Den Mom should have learned something from her old man about bigotry and the intolerance that accompanies it. Feel sorry for her dad, as he must be very disappointed in his daughter.
Posted by Den Mom, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Feb 13, 2013 at 12:47 pm
@Judith you just go ahead creating your little fantasy of what you think I am in your head. Just pick and choose what you like out of my posts and ignore what they really say. You don't know me, and don't know WHAT I've experienced (like protesting with the homosexual/AIDS community in Canada during the 1980's for more services, research, and treatments!)
I firmly believe that homosexuals have a right to all the civil rights of everyone else in America. Homosexuality is NOT a race, and while it is a natural biological aspect of humanity, it also has it's own culture, preference and lifestyle, just like African-Americans, Asian-Americans, Jewish-Americans, etc. have in our society.
I have never said I am against BSA changing their policies. I was informing people of the reality of what BSA has to consider: How many troops/packs and members they will lose and the troops/packs who will lose their sponsors. BSA doesn't prevent kids of gays from being in Boy Scouts. Boy Scouts don't even talk about heterosexuality among boys, so WHY would one have to make an issue about being homosexual. I do feel the BSA Council that refused to give the young man who worked so hard to complete his Eagle Scout and then "came out" was wrong.
However, I know a lot of people feel like they are being subjected to bigotry and intolerance, especially when their businesses and religious institutions are directly targeted because their beliefs are being bashed. I don't see the homosexual community targeting Muslim or Jewish people as being bigots? Why is that? Their belief system is the same (oh, and they have a lot of their members as part of BSA).
But you just go ahead and believe and spout off how much of a bigot and intolerant you think I am....you just show how much you are bigoted and intolerant that you can't accept others might believe differently.
And yes, I might not like it, but I accept that there are still those in America who are prejudiced against blacks and women. But, calling them names and trying to force them to change through militant anger just makes them see the worst. What did more for black civil rights in America were those who got educated, elected, and proved they were equal, then changed the laws. Honey catches more flies than vinegar - and I am sick of the vinegar being flung at me. I am for the first-time in my life, starting to dislike the homosexual community, rather than support it.
Posted by Judith, a resident of the Birdland neighborhood, on Feb 13, 2013 at 8:48 pm
Dear Den Mom, I thought about responding to you, but then I thought better. For how can I be expected to match the legendary ... Casanova Frankenstein??? All I can say is that I'm humbled in your presence.