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Calif Teachers Indirectly Own 6% of Bushmaster

Original post made by A Neighbor on Dec 17, 2012

The nation will be faced with a great number of questions as talk turns to how to prevent the next massacre. We will talk about strengthening gun control legislation. We will talk about improving access for those needing mental health treatment. Both are valid areas of discussion, but have you considered holding your financial investments to a higher standard of responsibility?

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If any union or endowment or nonprofit foundation truly cares about stopping the next mass killing, then they should not provide capital that produces the instruments of such destruction.

This is not an anti-union post. It is strictly anti-assault weapons, and I agree with this article that rebalancing my investments away from such funds as one way to put a bent in the personal weapons industry.

Comments (32)

Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 17, 2012 at 5:45 pm

I doubt that there will be any "serious" talks about guns in the USA.

I wouldn't hold my breath...ain't gonna happen. As soon as this crisi blows over, it back to parading about a pistol.

This country is full of dangerous people. Give up your guns if you please.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 17, 2012 at 5:53 pm

I believe that the above post by A Neighbor is anti-union and sick.

I guess it's time for slime like A Neighbor to politicize the murder of American children.


Posted by A Neighbor, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 17, 2012 at 6:17 pm

Cholo, as I mentioned in the original post, it is not anti-union. In fact, I am a 22 year member of my union, and deeply proud of the fact. I forwarded this column to my union representative and asked for further breakdowns on my pension investments. If you feel that is politicizing the murders, I deeply apologize.


Posted by Kacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Dec 17, 2012 at 7:38 pm

Stevie the Sick debating Stevie the Sick is not a pretty thing. Nor does it fool anyone.


Posted by liberalism is a disease, a resident of Birdland
on Dec 18, 2012 at 9:48 am

liberalism is a disease is a registered user.

Kacey/Mittens/casanova, who appointed you site monitor? Do you have anything to add to this post other than your casual observation regarding whose opinions resemble each other? Apparently, not......

Time to train and arm teachers, if theri union will allow them to protect their students..........combined with adequate mental health screening (which would also benefit 'kacey'), we'd have a better chance of avoiding most of these infrequent rampages.


Posted by Get Real, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 18, 2012 at 10:26 am

Guns do not kill people. People kill people. If you really want to stop the mass murders, you need to address the people problem. The three mass killings in CO, the mass killing in San Francisco, the mass murders in AZ, the recent killings in OR, and the recent killings in CT were all done by NUT JOBS, and most of them had a known history of using drugs. The nut job that shot up the theater in Aurora CO was considered very dangerous by his psychiatrist and she alerted the University of Colorado police, but nothing happened. Even now the prosecution can't get his mental medical records because they are "confidential". Much more needs to be done to identify mentally ill individuals, stop the drug trade (i.e. Singapore style drug laws), ban violent video games, ban crazy-violent movies, ban gangsta rap music, and resume teaching moral values to our children.

Banning guns will result in only criminals having guns. Chicago has the toughest gun laws in the country, and it also has the highest murder rate in the country. Connecticut has some of the toughest gun laws in the country - those laws didn't save those 26 people. It is a proven fact that the murder rate is lowest in states that have few restrictions on guns.

So, let's stop the insane "ban guns" bull by the left-wing loons and talk about real solutions as to why our society has become so violent, and what we are going to do to stop the mind-altering drug explosion (and yes, even marijuana is mind altering).

And, by the way, the Obama Administration has not brought the mass-murderer that shot up the Army base to trial. Furthermore, that nut job is not being charged with mass murders, but workplace violence. Are you kidding me? Obama gets on TV and does an obviously fake crying job over the CT killings, and he still hasn't brought this Muslim-terrorist mass murderer to trial. Obama wants to ban guns, but he continues to nothing to the purps!

Get real!


Posted by Steven, a resident of Stoneridge
on Dec 18, 2012 at 10:56 am

Steven is a registered user.

Why don't we examine the drugs being used to treat our children. I've seen reports that at least some of the dosages are simply guesses based on adult testing. Are these drugs hurting our children? Maybe pension funds should not invest in pharmaceuticals until they do the necessary testing to protect kids and the people being killed by them.

Also, we need to emphasize that if you have a child with emotional or psychological issues, you need trigger locks on all of your guns. In this case, the mother and many little kids paid with their lives because a mother didn't take her parenting responsibility seriously.

Gun manufacturers have NO responsibility in this case. The mother failed the kids in that school, and they paid with their lives. Perhaps the father of the killer needs to pay back the community for not being at home with this special needs child. At the very least, the mother's estate should be split among the affected families.


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Dec 18, 2012 at 11:09 am

Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.

Probably most disturbing is how many times each of those killed was shot. It wouldn't have been possible without semi-automatic weapons. Maybe, and I'm guessing, fewer people might have died.

I can't say that the right to bear arms would have included those kinds of guns. Practically, there is no need for them--not for protection or hunting.

As to pension funds, of course it's unfortunate that STRS chose to invest in Cerberus. I doubt teachers or other holders of this kind of portfolio know exactly where the money goes.


Posted by Steven, a resident of Stoneridge
on Dec 18, 2012 at 11:26 am

Steven is a registered user.

I don't find any problem with investing in any weapon manufacturer.

I do have a problem with a mother of a special needs child purchasing a military-style weapon and not installing trigger locks. She was a crazy person trying to raise a child with special needs. Where was the father again?


Posted by Kacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Dec 18, 2012 at 11:55 am

Steve, posing as Cholo, presents the most sophisticated arguments I have read from the NRA. He's certainly convinced me! Thanks, Steve/Cholo, because you've really raised the intellectual bar for us all.


Posted by Steven, a resident of Stoneridge
on Dec 18, 2012 at 11:56 am

Steven is a registered user.

Cholo - Lots of clergy rape and murder children? We need names of these masses of clergy raping AND murdering children please.

Or maybe that was just hyperbole to make some sort of point.

In any case, I think we need to improve the ability to report crimes against kids, and somehow provide better oversight over organizations that have responsibility for kids (schools, churches, foster homes, scouts, pediatricians, etc.)


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 18, 2012 at 1:29 pm

BishopAccountability: Web Link


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 18, 2012 at 1:34 pm

Child Molesters: Web Link


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 18, 2012 at 1:36 pm

Practice Areas - Child Sex Abuse by BoyScouts of America: Web Link


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 18, 2012 at 1:39 pm

Other clergy sexually abusing children: Web Link


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 18, 2012 at 1:58 pm

sex abuse of children country by county by priests/nuns: Web Link


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 18, 2012 at 2:05 pm

A very LONG list of ORTHODOX Rabbi sex offenders: Web Link


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 18, 2012 at 2:40 pm

BOY SCOUT SEX ABUSE RECORDS RELEASED IN OREGON: Web Link

names of 1,200 perps...


Posted by Mike, a resident of Highland Oaks
on Dec 18, 2012 at 3:25 pm

Unless you are dealing with a self-limiting pathology, then a cure requires that you treat the cause rather than the symptoms.

Fewer guns would mean fewer injuries, and that would be intrinsically valuable; but we have to interrupt the process before the individual reaches for a baseball bat, knife, car, gun, airplane, or whatever.

Mike


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 18, 2012 at 3:55 pm

What do you mean by "cure"?


Posted by me, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 18, 2012 at 4:05 pm

I'm so tired of people saying "Teachers should be armed". The last thing we need in schools is more guns. They would have to be locked away... exactly how would a teacher go get it, after he/she gets the students to a safe place.
I doubt that even in this case arming the staff would have helped. This came out of nowhere. I'm not a gun owner, the shooter came in shooting away an assault rifle. Could the principal really run to get her gun from it's locked storage, loaded it and taken the shooter out all while under fire? I don't see how that could have worked, really?

IMHO, the real solution is to make sure the weapons don't get in the hands of mentally unstable people to start with.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 18, 2012 at 4:42 pm

curious that so many folks are dumping on the "mentally unstable" folks...have you ever considered going hunting with Vice-President Dick Cheney?


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 18, 2012 at 4:46 pm

Normal folks kill their families: Web Link


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Dec 18, 2012 at 6:05 pm

Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.

According to NPR, STRS contacted Cerberus and requested they divest themselves of gun manufacturers. I don't whether that played a role in the fact that Cerberus is doing exactly that.


Posted by Steven, a resident of Stoneridge
on Dec 18, 2012 at 7:30 pm

Steven is a registered user.

Cholo - I know that there have been many cases of sexual assault committed by clergy, but I don't think the term "lots" really applies to at most 5% of a population. Also, my real problem with your statement was that "lots" of clergy murder children?

Any names for that accusation?


Posted by Steven, a resident of Stoneridge
on Dec 18, 2012 at 7:31 pm

Steven is a registered user.

Cholo - have you gone hunting with a mentally unstable person? It's quite exciting.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 18, 2012 at 8:11 pm

The 5% that you post is misleading. What matters most is that if you haven't been raped by a priest, nun, imam, rabbi, or other individuals wrapped in religious trappings or read the literature re: clergy sexual abuse of children, then you are going to be easily misled by numbers.

You can contact Richard Sipe online and discuss the numbers with him. The numbers of rape are under reported as many of the victims and their perps are deceased.

If you're interested in investigating, check out the literature related to the thousands of deaths of children on indian reservation in the US and especially in Canada.

If you read Canadian history, you will discover that millions of indigenous people were murdered in various ways and Catholic clergy played a large part in committing the genocide. It also happened in the US and in the Americas and the Caribe.

Richard Sipe is an authority on the matters re: Priest/nun pedophiles. Happy trails.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 18, 2012 at 8:15 pm

Two of the most trustworthy priests are Fr. Tom Doyle and Richard Sipe, now married.

Web Link

Explore the Sipe page and read about Tom Doyle. They are scholars and activists. They don't lie.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 18, 2012 at 8:18 pm

Fr. McGuire, now in prison, former confessor to Mother Teresa.

I know a member of the McGuire family and when we met, I was informed of McGuire's dangerous past. I can't be more explicit.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 18, 2012 at 8:39 pm

If you're interested in reading about genocide in Canada, look up Fr. Kevin Annett. He's an authority on the matter of the disappeared native populations of Canada.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 18, 2012 at 9:49 pm

I don't hunt animals.


Posted by Bug Zapper, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 19, 2012 at 11:00 am

Speaking of the mentally ill, is anyone keeping tabs on Cholo?


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