California Teachers Associations State, National, International, posted by Prop 8, a member of the Amador Valley High School community, on Oct 27, 2008 at 10:09 am
A pledge of $1.3 million to fight Prop 8.
Every time we turn around we are asked to give money for various events and projects at school. Oh, the teachers are so under paid. or we don't have money for books, supplies or various other school requirements, yet they can waste over a million dollars on this initiative. It will be so much easier now to say NO for every request we get for money for various events and projects at school
Posted by Julie, a member of the Vintage Hills Elementary School community, on Oct 27, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Well, maybe if the Prop 8 supporters had not *lied* & dragged curriculum into the issue, even though there is NO mention of education/curriculum in Prop 8, the teachers union would not have felt compelled to make such a donation. MSNBC reports:
"The gift was prompted after television ad's from supporters of Prop 8 suggested it would stop schools from teaching about gay marriage."
Posted by MYOP, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Oct 28, 2008 at 7:06 am
Teachers NOT underpaid, the work only 75% of the year plus they can either buy benefits or pocket the cash which most of us cannot. Don't forget the unions will bankrupt CA in the not to distant future.
Posted by Julie, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Oct 28, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Andrew, your web link is to an ad that *misleads* you into thinking that education is an issue in Prop 8. For your reading pleasure, the complete text of the proposition from this website: Web Link which is not an ad, but a government website voter's guide. Do you read any mention of educational policies? Curriculum? It is short and sweet.
This initiative measure is submitted to the people in accordance with the provisions of Article II, Section 8, of the California Constitution.
This initiative measure expressly amends the California Constitution by adding a section thereto; therefore, new provisions proposed to be added are printed in italic type to indicate that they are new.
SECTION 1. Title
This measure shall be known and may be cited as the “California Marriage Protection Act.”
SECTION 2. Section 7.5 is added to Article I of the California Constitution,
SEC. 7.5. Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.
For the record I am not against gay relationships being included in a discussion of relationships, just as I am not against Hetero, interracial, elder, disabled, etc. type of relationships being discussed. I do not believe in discrimination which is why I am voting NO on Prop 8.
Posted by Andrew S, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Oct 28, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Thank you for your response.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you're saying that you are for the teaching of gay and all other relationships to public elementary school students but feel that that issue is not related to Proposition 8. Is that right?
As to a link of public education and prop 8:
The California Department of Education’s own website says that 96 % of public schools provide instruction under the Comprehensive Sexual Health and HIV/AIDS Prevention Act (Educ. Code Sec. 51930, et seq.) and every school that provides instruction under that Act MUST provide instruction and materials that teach about marriage (WHICH WILL INCLUDE GAY MARRIAGE IF PROPOSITION 8 DOES NOT PASS).
Additionally, the Department of Education’s own checklist for instruction under the Act confirms that instruction about marriage is required for the school district to be in compliance with state law.
So there is a clear link between Proposition 8 and education in our public schools, isn't there?
Posted by Julie, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Oct 28, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Andrew, I will be honest with you. There is nothing that will convince me that it is okay to use our constitution for the purpose of discriminating against a specific group of people (in this case, gays).
I see the line of logic you are trying to follow in regards to schools, but I still consider it misguided. One article I found at this website: Web Link that more or less presents both sides states:
“Current law does not require school districts to teach anything about marriage or same-sex marriage at any grade level,” the judge noted. “Moreover, for those school districts that choose to include instructions about marriage . . . (the) education code requires that they allow parents to excuse their children from any such instruction conflicting with the parents' religious or moral grounds.”
I truly believe that Prop 8 supporters need to accept the fact that WHETHER OR NOT PROP 8 PASSES, the proverbial ship of marriage/couples/relationships/etc. being defined as "one man, one woman" has sailed! Children ARE going to be taught tolerance gay families. If anything, they will need to teach MORE about it if Prop 8 passes. Parents who believe in discrimination can keep their children home on the days tolerance is taught.
And thank you Andrew for hanging in there with me. I may not agree with you. And, I may not be able to change your mind, but I enjoy trying :)
Posted by John, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Oct 28, 2008 at 10:43 pm
The point is the CTA should not be giving 1.3 million for this. We need a pay increase or we need school supplies, or what ever the flavor of the day is to hear about their hardship. They work 3/4 of the year, from 8-4 and have numerous in service days which means days off. They have Halloween off give me a break. This is even low on Hallamrks list of holidays.
Posted by JD, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Oct 29, 2008 at 12:34 am
John, teachers do not have this Friday as Halloween off, as you say. Our kids are off, but not the teachers. It is the end of the quarter for the secondary levels. The day is considered a staff development day, but now I see that you consider those as "days off."
Posted by Julie, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Oct 29, 2008 at 7:48 am
I'm not sure (don't jump all over me) and I don't have time now to research it, but it's *possible* that the 1.3 million pledged is not money that would EVER have gone to pay increases or school supplies.
I think the teacher-bashing that some of you engage in is disgusting. If you think being a teacher is so easy, go for it! I hope you enjoy working your butt off and then barely being able to support yourself!
Posted by John, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Oct 29, 2008 at 10:04 pm
I'm well aware of the teachers that have a positive impact on my kids and go above and beyond. I'm also aware of those who express their politicals views to the kids, who attend rally's in Sacramento, and have scheduled parent teacher conferences that never occur. Today when I got home I had another request from school for money for supplies.
Posted by Mom of 3, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Nov 1, 2008 at 12:01 am
I really don't like the teacher's union because I think it promotes mediocrity and protects underperformers. And I think parents need to be very wary of the union. That said, I do think teachers are generally in a position of having too many critics (parents like me)and it must be discouraging because they can't please everyone. My kids have had some fabulous teachers at Amador who are totally involved in their profession (I love that school) but there were some real stinkers in the lower grades.
The thing that gets me down is that we have 3 teachers in our family and they admit they are doing it for the summers off...They don't know what it's like to have a job where you're on a plane for 20 hours, 10,000 miles from home, week after week, with 4 hours sleep on many nights and 3 weeks off a year at the most and a quota to meet. Talk about pressure...teachers do need to see what other people do. (Getting Halloween off is not OK.)
And they need to correct their papers on time and post grades on time.
Posted by Julie, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Nov 1, 2008 at 1:47 pm
I earned a multiple subjects credential some years back and I don't recall any of us doing it for "summers off". That's really interesting. If they are relatively young people then I think it's a comment on that generation. I've observed that the next gen. doesn't seem to want to work as hard as previous generations. Most teachers I've met go into the field because they love children, or love teaching. They have to love something about it because they are going to receive a wage that doesn't likely allow them to live comfortably on their own. Have you compared your salary with those of your teacher relatives? I have 2 degrees - more education than my spouse (non-teacher) who will always earn several TIMES what my potential earning capacity is.
For those of us who are parents - think about being around your own kids. Do they ever drive you nuts? How is it getting them to do chores, other things they aren't motivated to do? Now picture 20-30+ of them - some with languages, cultures, attitudes, parenting, etc. that all differ from each other and from you. Teachers need lots of time off - who could do that full time 12 months/year? And many teachers put in extra time and spend their own money. I've also known many teachers who take classes in the summer to keep their credentials up to date, or simply to remain "current".
Posted by Oliver Heaviside, a resident of the Val Vista neighborhood, on Dec 21, 2008 at 7:14 pm Oliver Heaviside is a member (registered user) of PleasantonWeekly.com
This is late to the party, I suppose, but yes, the schools and teachers are on a tight budget. So where did CTA get the 1.3 million it spent? Teachers' dues? Perhaps you need a union that doesn't waste your money.
Heck, maybe you don't need a union at all. Lots of people don't have them, and seem to do okay....