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DNC tries to reject God and Jerusalem from Democratic platform mention

Original post made by jimf01 on Sep 5, 2012

This really just happened, today, at the Democratic convention. The Democratic delegates tried to reject God. When that failed, they booed. Is this your Democratic Party? Do you support booing the mere mention of God and Jerusalem in the Democratic platform? Web Link

If you believe in God, support Israel, and believe a marriage is between a man and a woman, and you can no longer support the Democrats, you didn't leave the Democrats, the Democrats left you

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Posted by jimf01, a resident of another community
on Sep 5, 2012 at 4:32 pm

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As all of this is breaking, an interesting stat

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Posted by BobB, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 5, 2012 at 6:02 pm

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I don't believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. It is exactly those kinds of proclamations that drive me away from the Republicans.


Posted by Casanova_Frankenstein, a resident of Old Towne
on Sep 5, 2012 at 10:30 pm

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Bongiorno me buckos! It is I, Casanova Frankenstein!

This is truly shocking news! However, as I will demonstrate, it is only the tip of the iceberg! Consider:

Egypt: no mention of Ra, Bast, Isis, or Anubis in the constitution
Norway: complete failure to acknowledge Odin, Freya, Fafner, Thor, or Captain America in any official policy statement in YEARS
Central American nations: have completely secularized, never invoking Quetzalcoatl, Kukulcan, Tezcatlipoca, or even Tloque Nahuaque
Greece: Hermes, Aphrodite, Pan, Zeus, Dionysus, and Poseidon have been treated as if fictional by the secular government
In the Middle East: Enki, Mithras, Baal, Tiamat, and Ishtar? Fuhgettaboutit!
Don't even get me started on Anansi, Baron Samedi, L. Ron Hubbard, Azura Honda, Haile Salassie, Emperor Hirohito, the golden calf, the Flying Spaghetti Monster and the Great Pumpkin!

Where is the healthy respect for the supernatural here? Why do we not grovel in fear and supplication to these almighty magical creatures any more? We are just begging to have the sun blotted out from the sky or risking a worldwide flood that does not necessarily prove global warming!

I blame socialist smartassism, the National Endowment for the Arts, Terror Babies, and Obama.

In his house at R'lyeh, dead Cthulhu waits spinnning in his grave!

May the Force be ever in your favor, amen.


Posted by liberalism is a disease, a resident of Birdland
on Sep 6, 2012 at 8:43 am

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"I don't believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. It is exactly those kinds of proclamations that drive me away from the Republicans."
LOL, hilarious. Let's just rewrite centuries of history while you're at it. It's those kinds of proclamations that are driving you away from the human race. Could the dems pander to any other perverse special interests just to gather a few more votes? NAMBLA? Man/farm animals assoc? (I made that one up, but it's only a matter of time....)


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 6, 2012 at 2:00 pm

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jimf01,

I interpreted the booing differently. How would you respond if the leadership of your party essentially threw the democratic process out the window by decreeing a change and then holding a sham vote to give the change legitimacy?


Posted by liberalism is a disease, a resident of Birdland
on Sep 7, 2012 at 8:41 am

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Stacey, you're missing the point entirely. Why in the world would they even need to have this public, embarassing vote for the entire world to witness? The party made a decision over a week ago to remove any mention of our Creator and to dis Israel that was not put up to a vote of the delegates.
So, now, after much pressure from the voting public and from O (who was obviously getting heat from his constituents and the press) they try a public mea culpa and fail miserably for all to see. They still don't get that we are a Christian nation and denying in front of booing leftist/atheists only further marginalizes the 'party of the people'.
It's really pretty humourous watching the backpedaling, posturing and twisted rationale for their position, whatever it is today, based on recent polling figures.


Posted by M., a resident of Downtown
on Sep 7, 2012 at 3:04 pm

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Let me see if I can get my head around this notion that this is "Christian nation", I suppose if you base this idea upon the fact that there roughly 76% of Americans are Christians based on a 2008 religious identification survey than what you have is a nation with the majority of its population identifying themselves as Christians. However this does not make our nation by definition a "Christian nation". In fact this means nothing more than there are more people who identify themselves as Christian than those who do not.

Now, in so far as the argument that the founding fathers intended the United States to be a Christian nation, or that the United States is indeed a De facto "Christian nation". There is not one shred of proof to indicate this, let alone any laws, or legal language to back this up.

Whereas there exist many laws, legal language and protections to avoid any such religious identification by the state itself.
To help you understand this I will mention just a few.

With in the First Amendment to the Constitution two particular clauses are key. The Establishment Clause and the the Free Exercise Clause. The phrase "Separation of church and state." was born from a letter Jefferson wrote in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists to explain these clauses to them in essence.

Also in 1796 The Treaty of Tripoli was signed which in fact contains the following language.

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries"

Along with countless court rulings, pieces of legislation, and other language in countless other documents all clearly state that this nation is not, nor has ever been a "Christian nation" to any degree whatever.

M.


Posted by liberalism is a disease, a resident of Birdland
on Sep 7, 2012 at 8:30 pm

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m, You sound like one of those atheist zealots who want any mention of religion or God out of our money and the pledge of allegiance. That's exactly the point I was making previously...you are on the fringe (you even said it yourself, with your 76% stat). To disavow the existence of God (and by extension his son) is to alienate the majority of Americans.
This kind of thinking may be popular in Europe or the Middle East, but it doesn't fly with voters here.
You obviously had your talking points prepared well in advance in anticipation that someone would call the dems on their egregrious mistake. Try as you might, you still find yourself in the minority and out of sync with American voters. nice try, though.......
Jesus still loves you.....


Posted by BobB, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 8, 2012 at 3:22 pm

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liberalism,

I don't believe that you have to reject God or Jesus to accept marriage between a woman and a woman or a man and a man.

Web Link

No one is proposing that we re-write history. People are proposing that we re-write a definition. For the thousands of years we defined the Earth as being at the center of the universe. Galileo and Copernicus gave us a better definition.

As for being out of the mainstream, according to the latest polls, about 50% of Americans support Gay marriage.


Posted by M., a resident of Downtown
on Sep 8, 2012 at 3:35 pm

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I think you are reading far more into my point that is actually there.
I have no desire to remove anything. I take no issue whatever with the Pledge or "In god we trust" etc... I was simply pointing out that there is no basis to the idea that this is a "Cristian nation", it is a secular nation. Where I take issue is when people start using negationism to try and prove a point that reflects their desires or beliefs that simply does not have any basis in fact. Be as religious as you want, worship however you want, I take no issue with this. The nation takes no issue with this, however simply because the vast majority of the population identifies with one particular religion that does not make this a nation of that religion.

The entire point of not being nation of a particular religion is that all people are free to worship as the see fit. The only way to protect that freedom is make the government be secular, as such they have no vested interest in one religious view point or another. It really is just that simple.

M.


Posted by Mitzi Turpin, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 8, 2012 at 8:12 pm

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I didn't watch the DNC but did see the clip where this motion and vote took place. The look on the LA mayor's face was priceless...he didn't know what to do; I guess he didn't expect that it could be possible that Americans would reject so blatantly the God under which our nation was founded. Flustered, he called for the voice vote again and again as the delegates tried to "out-yell" each other. Talk about a house divided against itself...


Posted by liberalism is a disease, a resident of Birdland
on Sep 8, 2012 at 8:29 pm

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m, why the misspelling of Christian...based on your previous posts you are not illiterate, so are you just being disrespectful? what's the point?
"The entire point of not being nation of a particular religion is that all people are free to worship as the see fit.' Those are Christian values you just espoused....very good..this is progress. It doesn't mean everyone can espouse those values and they can worship as they wish. The majority choose Christianity....it's that simple.

Bob, what's your source for your claim that 'about 50% of Americans support Gay marriage'? Is 10 % 'about 50%'? Did you get your 'stats' from HuffoPo, Moveon.org, or some flaming liberal rag?
While you're re-writing definitions, try rewriting perversion to mean mainstream behavior and then you'll get what you want.


Posted by BobB, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 8, 2012 at 10:11 pm

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liberalism,

Please show me where you get the 10% figure. The 50% figure has been widely reported in the mainstream press, for example:

"Poll: 51% agree with Obama's endorsement of gay marriage"

Web Link

Here are a two sources generally thought to have socially conservative bias that also confirm those numbers.

Wall Street Journal:

Web Link

"Polling finds that public opinion has shifted drastically toward support for gay marriage. "

"A substantial minority of voters still opposes same-sex marriage, many polls show."

That's "minority". In other words, fewer than 50% oppose same-sex marriage.

Fox News:

"Poll after poll shows public support for same-sex marriage steadily increasing, to the point where it's now a majority viewpoint."

Web Link

So if you can show me where you got the 10% number, I'll be happy to admit that I was mistaken.


Posted by BobB, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 8, 2012 at 10:14 pm

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Mitzi,

I agree that the way the Democrats handled themselves on this issue was an embarrassment to their party.


Posted by M., a resident of Downtown
on Sep 9, 2012 at 3:41 pm

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Again you are reading far too much into a simple typo.

M.


Posted by BobB, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 10, 2012 at 7:05 am

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liberalism,

I can't find your 10% number anywhere. Can you please provide a link?

Thanks.

Bob


Posted by liberalism is a disease, a resident of Birdland
on Sep 10, 2012 at 2:47 pm

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Bob, I don't have time to track down the article I read, claiming approx 10% support for perverting the institution of marriage, but I did just have a friend send me this link about the majority of states (32 states overall) have voted to preserve traditional marriage.
Web Link
Why so concerned about a fringe issue in regard to this presidential election cycle? Unless.......


Posted by Casanova_Frankenstein, a resident of Old Towne
on Sep 10, 2012 at 6:44 pm

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liberalism is a disease, what do you think of allowing tax money to be spent on vouchers so parents can send their students to a faith-based school?

Also, if you don't mind me asking a personal question, are you married?


Posted by BobB, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 10, 2012 at 8:28 pm

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liberalism,

You said "...what's your source for your claim that 'about 50% of Americans support Gay marriage..."

I provided both mainstream and conservative sources that back up my claim. Then you say " Is 10 % 'about 50%'? " I asked for your sources (only fair, don't you think?), and you can't find any. Could it be that you were mistaken? It is perfectly fine to admit that you were wrong. I won't think any less of you.

"Why so concerned about ..."

A fine question, and I'll let you answer first, because it is obviously important to you.


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