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Unionized Castlewood workers ask City Council to support labor agency's rule to end lockout

Original post made on Aug 22, 2012

Union members, who said they are among those who were locked out of their jobs two years ago in a wage and benefit dispute at Castlewood Country Club, asked the Pleasanton City Council Tuesday night to support their efforts to get their jobs back.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Wednesday, August 22, 2012, 7:36 AM

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Posted by Jorge M.
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 22, 2012 at 9:14 am

What a travesty. Another prime example of the the coordinated actions of SEIU, illegal immigrants, and socialist politicians (including judges). When are people going to wake up to the evil represented by this troika? If Cook-Callio or Thorne vote, as council members to support the SEIU, any sensible person sure as h*ll would not vote for them to be Mayor, as it would be clear their primary purpose in being Mayor is to be a pimp for the unions.


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Posted by Spudly
a resident of Laguna Oaks
on Aug 22, 2012 at 9:15 am

I am confused...I thought their contract had expired and Castlewood simply decided not to renew it. How can they be at fault for that?


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Posted by Pleasanton Neighbor
a resident of Del Prado
on Aug 22, 2012 at 9:31 am

This is wrong, wrong, wrong. Contracts end, companies change their minds. We have had to lay-off three (all legal Americans) to stay competitive.

The Pleasanton City Council needs to stay out of this. They need to take care of the City not private businesses.




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Posted by local
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 22, 2012 at 9:36 am

Castlewood is not even in the city of Pleasanton. It is in the county.


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Posted by Mike D
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 22, 2012 at 9:49 am

Citizens have the right to petition their government for support. The council has already passed a resolution requesting both parties settle this dispute in a manner equitable for both sides.
Castlewood decided not to follow this advice and now are paying dearly.
It's about time the Castlwood members wake up and recognize that their board has led them off a cliff. They should have listened to the City Council from the beginning.


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Posted by Wake Up
a resident of another community
on Aug 22, 2012 at 9:50 am

When will the members of Castlewood wake up to the fact that the Club's leaders continue to chart the wrong course? Whether it's the dispute concerning the workers, the dispute with area residents over water issues, etc., the Club's anachronistic, self-interested approach helps neither the Club, its members, nor those who interact with the Club.

Castlewood needs new leadership.

Hello? Castlewood Members? Do you see what's going on? Are you listening? . . . .


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Posted by Disgusted
a resident of Castlewood
on Aug 22, 2012 at 10:43 am

As Castlewood residents we don't even get to vote for Mayor or City Council, so why would they have the right to be involved??
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Posted by local
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 22, 2012 at 11:57 am

Mike said, "Citizens have the right to petition their government for support. "

You are right but the City of Pleasanton is not "their government". That business, and their union, are not in the City of Pleasanton so I don't want any city time or money spent on this. They pay their taxes to the county, so go to the county.


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Posted by Ptown Native
a resident of Stoneridge
on Aug 22, 2012 at 12:18 pm

If you're fired YOU'RE FIRED! Why should they
get their jobs back! The rest of us have to live by
this reality, so why shouldn't these whiners too?
Lousy liberals and unions think they are so much
more special than anyone else. Nobody owes them
a thing! Bunch of thugs! They WILL bring this country
down. It's disgusting. It's all organized crime. I agree
with the fact that Castlewood is unincorporated and
our city counsel should stay out of this. Where will it
end? Are they going to tell us 'regular folks' how to run
our businesses too.? California is becoming a thug state.


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Posted by Toady Bartender
a resident of Stoneridge
on Aug 22, 2012 at 4:16 pm

... socialist scumbags, all of them, the unions, the judges, the politicians, and the sick liberals that support them. Now there going to take my scab job away from me or, worse, make me work alongside those who for years were locked out and had to watch scabs like me take their wages. There oughta be a law! Well, okay, the laws are socialist. But somebody needs to stand up for the scab.


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Posted by member
a resident of Dublin
on Aug 22, 2012 at 4:48 pm

Unreal. My husband and I have our own company, we now have to pay $300 a month more for health care, an extra $1,200 a year and $50 copays insted of $20. The Union people should be going after the health care system. We had to charge employees more for health care or fire them...........The union did not give Castlewood a choice. Pleasanton Council needs to stay out of this. Castlewood members are hard working people with budgets just like the rest of the world.


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Posted by None of the Above
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 22, 2012 at 4:53 pm

This "non profit" made 64 mil a year in its heyday. Now it's down to 10 mil a year. They seriously can't afford to pay employees more for health care?


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Posted by mittens
a resident of another community
on Aug 22, 2012 at 10:42 pm

I call BS, None of the Above. Let's see your source for your claim about their non profit earnings.


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Posted by oh no
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 23, 2012 at 1:09 am

mittens is back from his vacation, you had a long one - it was nice. please go somewhere else to post.


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Posted by Jaclyn F.
a resident of Foothill High School
on Aug 23, 2012 at 8:36 am

"None of the Above", it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!!

CCC is a private organization, what they do with ANY money from their proceeds is used at their discretion and is mostly funneled into little things like repair and maintenance of their roads & streets (not city maintained roads, remember?) landscaping of the grounds & golf course, maintenance & upkeep of the clubhouse & its facilities, security, etc.

I love how the liberal mindset of wealth re-distribution never wavers whether it's on a national, state, local or even private level.


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Posted by Facts You Should Get Them
a resident of Amador Estates
on Aug 23, 2012 at 8:43 am

Why do so may people confused the issue. The judge ruled that Castlewood locked out the workers and did not continue to negotiate a contract. It's not about healthcare or wages it's about fair barganing. Castlewood does not have to agree with the union terms they only need to continue to bargan in good faith.


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Posted by Victor
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 23, 2012 at 8:56 am

City Council stay the hell out of private business, you are doing just a fair job of running the City,you can't handle anymore than what you have, besides what do you know about running a business.
How many of you have ever signed he front of a paycheck ?


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Posted by Mr. Geeneyuss
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 23, 2012 at 9:37 am

Facts you should get them, you should read them.

The NLRB "judge" is as much a judge and has equal legal authority as Simon Cowell.

Do you actually think a LABOR RELATIONS BOARD "judge" would side with management?

Pardon me while I laugh hysterically for a moment...


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 23, 2012 at 9:42 am

lets be fair...the law is the law...now give the folks their jobs back and moveon.com...i men it!


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Posted by Heads up !
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 23, 2012 at 9:44 am

I hope anyone, younger especially, are paying attention ! ! Don't ever, EVER , allow a union to start in any business enterprise you might ever be connected with. Check all investments. Don'e ever let yourself or enterprise be vicitimized by union mentality. You can see their connection with warped politicians too. So don't allow yourself or ANY BOARD be helf hostage by this mentality. Just hire competent and worthy individuals. The mistake goes back the to board that was ever gullible enough to buy into the union concept, allowing it to destroy the club, like they are destroying cities, counties, states, and countries like socialized....just don't go there.


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Posted by Klisvak
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 23, 2012 at 10:02 am

JACLYN F., thank you for your comment. I wish I could say it better. We need more clear minds in the Pleasanton community. BTW the "None of the above" commentator is either uninformed or completely delusional.


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Posted by ca94566
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 23, 2012 at 10:11 am

They do not want a Union, why do they have to continue to "bargan"?


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Posted by Brian
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 23, 2012 at 10:49 am

If I walked off my non-union job because I thought I wasn't getting paid enough or getting enough benefits, I would be fired. How come a union employee thinks they can walk off the job and then get their job back after they are fired? The whole idea of unions is to give workers some additional leverage in negotiations. It is not intended to give unions workers unlimited power and control over a company. If the market is flush with job seekers and the company thinks they can more cost effectively replace their entire workforce than give into the demands of the union, then let them. The unions should be aware that if they strike, there is a possibility they will loose their job and be replaced. That's the way it should be. Sometime a strike will work and sometimes it will backfire. Without this possibility, the unions would effectively have unlimited power. In this case, they lost. They should now focus on finding another job.


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Posted by AV '79
a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Aug 23, 2012 at 7:35 pm

Maybe someone should ask Mr. Sullivan about his views on the golf course actually in Pleasanton and one that he has management input, Callippe. The workers are non-union and their wage and health benefits are not close to what has been offered the union members at Castlewood!!


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Posted by Shiva
a resident of San Ramon
on Aug 23, 2012 at 9:32 pm

Brian. Where do you get your facts? The workers DID NOT walk off their jobs. CCC locked them out. Do you understand the difference? They were NEVER fired. They have been locked out employees since Feb.. 2010. Do your homework before you post .


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Posted by Foothill 81
a resident of Laguna Oaks
on Aug 23, 2012 at 10:13 pm

AV '79,
The Callipe workers haven't voted to unionize. Castlewood workers did. Do you see the difference? If calippe votes for a union and councilman Sullivan doesn't support them, you have a very valid point. Before posting, please try to understand the process.


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Posted by Mittens
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 23, 2012 at 10:34 pm

Shiva and foothill, enough with the condescending putdowns of citizens of our city that despise the unions manipulations. The bottom line is, if these former employees really wanted their previous jobs, they would have compromised, otherwise , there are plenty of other jobs available in his obama recovery.


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Posted by AV '79
a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Aug 24, 2012 at 12:08 am

Foothill '81,

The issue is not union vs. non-union. Sullivan says Castlewood is the bad guy because they won't pay a fair wage and offer fair benefits. Yet, at the same time the City is paying Callippe much less than what was offered at Castlewood. Seems a bit hypocritical.


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Posted by Foothill '81
a resident of Laguna Oaks
on Aug 24, 2012 at 6:45 am

AV,
Good point. No one should say that CCC isn't/wasn't paying a fair wage.
But they are required by law to allow their employees to collectively bargain, and that's where they got into trouble, and are open to criticism.


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Posted by Foothill '81
a resident of Laguna Oaks
on Aug 24, 2012 at 6:58 am

Mittens,
You are like every ultra conservative I know. Throw incendiary language all over the place, then cry "you're being condescending" the minute someone contradicts you.
The union did compromise, the club didn't want to and now they will pay.
I know, it's the end our great nation.


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Posted by Toady Bartender
a resident of Stoneridge
on Aug 24, 2012 at 7:21 am

Like many other posters here, I never read much in my earlier years. I don't no anything about how the law works, what are the legal foundations of collective bargaining, how the question of whether to be unionized or not is up to workers, whats the porpose of the NLRB. Then the Democrat party decided to put a Kenyan socialist muslum into office. Now I no enough to hate Democrat liberals (there all sick) and unions that are the scurge of our nation. BTW, I may be losing my scab labor position at a very prestegeous country club. Does any body have any suggestions on where a loyal scab like me can find a job?


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Posted by P-Town Neighbor
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 24, 2012 at 8:43 am

Toady,

Well if you are a Wal-Mart shopper and have a Asian built auto, then you can go work at Wal-Mart with their minimum wage jobs that do not give enough hours to entitle someone to qualify for medical benefits.

However, if you do not shop Wal-Mart and own an American made vehicle then yes, I truly do hope you will get a good job. If you are smart and personable then go work at a restaurant that you can get tips at. Or better yet, study to become a bartender.




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Posted by ca94566
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 24, 2012 at 9:20 am

P-Town neighbor

"Own an American made vehicle"? Get a grip, those are loooong gone All the parts are made elsewhere and put together by overpaid union workers here. It is very difficlt to find MADE IN THE USA and to be able to aford it. We are in Global competition, sorry, it's cheaper to be made elsewhere.


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Posted by Heads up !
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 24, 2012 at 10:14 am

Brian, they do have unlimited power. It is theft. It is not a fit practice for a civil society. This exactly what happened in Greece, and the EU is about to let Greece crumble....they were dumb to allow the socialist unions to run the country. Sadly, our country will eventually collapse, too, unless something happens to break this cycle.
Unions operate with zero personal integrity. Right now, our city is still conning us. There has not been any fix. When the unions have power over the people, they ultimately destroy the people. It's not IF, it is only WHEN. Public servants use to have integrity, followed with respect. But they sold their integrity for big bucks. And without integrity, they certainly cannot expect respect. They made the choice, when they sold their souls.


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Posted by anonymous
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 24, 2012 at 10:42 am

Unions??? Know the % of union membership in this area? 10%, that's it!
Includes teachers!



I still can't understand why this is the focus and not Wall Street and the government bail out of Wall Street???


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Posted by Brian
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 24, 2012 at 11:32 am

Shiva

I may not have my facts completely straight. Are you trying to tell me that Castlewood never told their employees "you're fired!" and instead simply locked them out and refused to say anything to them? If so, then Castlewood may be liable for some damages because the workers could complain they didn't know they were fired and therefore showed up for work but never got paid. However, I assume at some point Castlewood told them the reason they were locked out is because they had been terminated.


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Posted by Malcolm Gee
a resident of San Ramon
on Aug 24, 2012 at 2:34 pm

Well put Anonymous...it's very chic to knock the union employee, but to knock white collar plundering of US Funds is apparently just not cool!
Not sure why support of the city council even matters...at the end of the day the club did not negotiate in good faith.
CCC has the equivalent of David Duke and Tom Metzger leading the club down a path of disrepair...love the union or hate it, the current management is doing more to kill the club than the union ever imagined it could do themselves.
Ignorance is bliss, but the venom spewed in this blog is amazing...and based on the tactics used in the original "negotiation" With the mostly Hispanic CCC staff, it's consistent with the club.
Clouser showed his love "for others" best in the February 2009 Forecaster report by stating;
"In order to survive economically, we must continue to attract new members from all economic groups to continue to be a viable entity-especially during these economically troubled times. As Board members, WE STRIVE TO OVERCOME OUR OWN BIASES BASED ON OUR PERSONAL DEMOGRAPHIC TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THE
ORGANIZATION-TO SEEK BALANCE"
Holy Cow, did he really write this in a club report to members?
It is a shame to see such arrogance and ignorance being shown just 5 exits away from my home. Sleep well CCC Members, your clubs value just sank another couple thousand this week.
If your not careful, your value will be so low that guy mowing the 6th fairway may be teeing off behind you at the next hit and giggle........


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Posted by Shiva
a resident of San Ramon
on Aug 24, 2012 at 5:49 pm

Brian. Yes, I am saying Castlewood did not fire the union employees. They are currently locked out employees. STILL employees. And now we find that the lockout 2 years ago was ruled illegal.

Did CCC ever talk to their employees? Yes. They met with them and tried to convince them to vote to decertify their union. They failed.

These are facts. If any Castlewood member disputes them, they are either very uninformed or they are lieing.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 24, 2012 at 8:31 pm

well...if any Castlewood member has nothing nice to say...sit by me...


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Posted by Mary
a resident of Castlewood
on Sep 24, 2012 at 4:56 pm

How about that little skinny guy who's always there leading the protest... how's about he sell that $5000 straw hat he wears and spread that wealth around. I live in Castlewood and I couldn't afford that hat.


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