Downtown soldiers parade cancelled; moved to quick drive on First Street to Livermore instead Around Town, posted by Editor, Pleasanton Weekly Online, on Aug 21, 2012 at 8:57 am
Plans were changed suddenly today for a planned parade through downtown Pleasanton involving five active duty soldiers that have been awarded the Purple Heart or have been decorated for valor in Afghanistan or Iraq.
Read the full story here Web Link posted Tuesday, August 21, 2012, 7:51 AM
Posted by Sam, a resident of the Oak Hill neighborhood, on Aug 21, 2012 at 10:00 am
I'm with Cholo on this one. Seems that there is a bit of irony here. We're trying to honor active duty soldiers who have seen so much bloodshed and battlefield horror, perhaps losing precious friends and acquaintances in combat, by taking them deer-hunting??? What, they didn't see enough blood and death already? Seems that anyone who went through an experience like that would come out with a greater appreciation of the value of life and would frown on the practice of taking a life for the purpose of entertainment or recreation.
Posted by Mike Cheney, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Aug 21, 2012 at 11:55 am
Some of you who have never had the experience of hunting with friends and family may never understand that this may be what the Soldiers wanted or liked to do in a time of relaxation and camaraderie among-st friends. A true hunter will make sure the hunted will not be sacrificed for waste.
Please inform us better as to the time and route the parade will be taking so we can show our appreciation for their sacrifice for all of our freedoms.
Posted by Sam, a resident of the Oak Hill neighborhood, on Aug 21, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Mike said: "A true hunter will make sure the hunted will not be sacrificed for waste."
The problem as I see it is that any unnecessary taking of a life - especially an intelligent, sentient life of a large animal such as a deer - is a waste in itself. If the primary purpose of the hunt were to put food on the table, then fine. In that case, the hunt would be a necessary one and consistent with the rules of nature. But this hunt isn't a necessary one. It's just for entertainment. A deer's life is sacrificed for an afternoon's worth of entertainment, and then its life and death are forgotten and it's off to the bar for a few cold beers. Are we humans really that cruel as a species that we find enjoyment out of the act of killing other animals just for entertainment? Maybe we haven't changed that much since the Roman era when large numbers of wild animals and gladiators would be slaughtered in a great arena for the pure entertainment of the audience.
I respect the soldiers being honored at this celebration for the work that they did overseas. But at the same time I feel a tinge of disappointment at the thought that perhaps they did not grow and gain a wider perspective of life as a result of the experience.
Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore, on Aug 21, 2012 at 7:55 pm
i can't imagine anything more sane that taking a hike, canoeing, cards with friends, painting & drawing, working in my garden, and catching up with friends.
animals are gentle beings...they deserve to live...i don't believe that war veterans have a need to kill animals...leave the deer alone...interview the vets on tv prior to the hunt and ask them straight out if killing animals gives them pleasure...my guess is that it doesn't...
i lived in the UK at one time and I had opportunities to hunt and i turned down ever offer...my father was very proud of me...he was a kind man and never harmed any living creature...
Posted by Pleasanton Resident, a resident of the Canyon Meadows neighborhood, on Aug 22, 2012 at 8:48 am
Oh come on guys…how many people shop at Safeway where they have a large amount of meat just thrown out each day because it is past its “useful date?” At least the hunter kills only what they can eat and use the whole animal for jerky, sausages, etc. Let’s get over this whole killing deer issue and support our troops who risk their lives daily to keep us safe. I support them wholeheartedly. Happy hunting!
Posted by Snapshot, a resident of Livermore, on Aug 22, 2012 at 9:33 am
It article states the parade will start on Main Street about 5:30. THIS IS INCORRECT.
The escort will begin about 6:00-6:15 pm. A group of people from the Pleasanton Military Families, and the VFW will be near the Arroyo Bridge, near the Main St. Brewery with flags and banners about 6:oo Please join them if you would like to, or anywhere along Main Street would work as well. I know that the escort will be turning onto Stanley by 6:30 or so, as I will be in a Huey Helicopter taking photos from the air.
Posted by Sam, a resident of the Oak Hill neighborhood, on Aug 22, 2012 at 9:52 am
Penelope said: "Whats the difference from hunting "innocent wildlife" and killing a cow in a slaughter house?"
Killing a cow in a slaughterhouse is done to provide food, not for anyone's entertainment.
Killing a deer in the case being discussed is done primarily for sport and entertainment.
Now let me ask you a question: What's the difference between a neighborhood bully who sadistically likes to kill neighborhood cats and someone who goes and hunts deer for sport? In both cases the killing is done for pure entertainment.
Posted by Mike Cheney, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Aug 22, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Thank you Snapshot for your info to help all of us that were looking for the answer. Hope you have a great flight.
If you could ask the deer if it would like to die by the bullet or by being chased down and possibly eaten by a mountain lion while still being alive in some cases. I think they would side with the bullet. Happy hunting to the keepers of our freedom.
Posted by Sam, a resident of the Oak Hill neighborhood, on Aug 22, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Mike Cheney said: "If you could ask the deer if it would like to die by the bullet or by being chased down and possibly eaten by a mountain lion while still being alive in some cases. I think they would side with the bullet. Happy hunting to the keepers of our freedom."
OK, you want to put it that way. Well, if you were to ask me if I preferred dying by (A) a bullet from some robber or (B) being chased down and eaten by a mountain lion, then I guess I would opt for choice (A), being killed by a bullet, too.
So what is your point? That all those innocent people killed by bullets in robberies or in the Colorado massacre should at least be thankful that they did not suffer an even worse death by being eaten by mountain lions?
Posted by Rose, a resident of the Parkside neighborhood, on Aug 22, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Hunting is sport, and all hunters I know consume their catch. It really is ingnorant to dis all hunting just because it is not part of your cultural upbringing...also, why do you think the deer are hunted on the ranch? To deal with overpopulation so that the deer don't starve to death - hunting may be opened at Angel Island soon for that very reason. Try to think about the big picture before reacting, and for heaven's sake - respect our soldiers who fight for our every freedom, even dumb soap box babble.
Posted by member, a resident of the Valley Trails neighborhood, on Aug 22, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Mountain lions eat deer to survive. When we kill the mountain lions' food, mountain lions go towards areas where there is cats, dogs, and people. People see the mountain lions and freak out and call the authorities. The Park Ranger says mountain lions can't be relocated, so they shoot and kill the mountain lions. If you must hunt, go to areas where there isn't residential areas close by.
Posted by Kristina, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Aug 22, 2012 at 8:45 pm
To Pleasanton Resident of Canyon Meadows-I have no problem supporting the troops but geez bring Safeway into this. the meat at any grocery store was raised for people consumption-the poor little Bambi's up in the hills of Livermore are part of nature.
I agree with Cholo for once and really see a soft side to him/her.
Posted by Hunter, a resident of the Parkside neighborhood, on Aug 23, 2012 at 10:19 am
Unfortunately, many who oppose hunting have truly never understood the idea of wildlife management. Hunting is VERY REGULATED. Wildlife biologists determine the holding capacity of the available habitat along with population of the species to be hunted, and many other variables. These animals are not endangered….but they are IN danger if the populations are larger than what the habitat will hold.
Have you ever seen what happens to a herd of deer that is too large for their habitat? Or seen the effect of too many waterfowl on too little water/wetlands? Disease runs rampant and spreads like wildfire. Thousands of birds died earlier this year up on the Oregon border? Why? Because there was not enough water and habitat provided in the place they have migrated too for generations. Too many birds, not enough water and food = die off. Over 10,000 died alone.
It is hunters that spend hundreds of millions of dollars each year to support and purchase new habitat. The state and fed government isn’t buying land for new habitat like private citizens are. Yes, they have refuges around the country, but NO WHERE NEAR ENOUGH habitat and water is provided by the government to keep any species healthy all by itself.
Private citizens are putting money to work to ensure habitat is there….and water available. The deer herds can, and should be maintained at levels that keep the overall herds healthy. Hunting is a managed way to support their health. You may think that is counter intuitive…but it Is not.
One last example; There are millions of ducks and geese that travel the central part of our state as they head south during the fall and winter. MILLIONS. I am not talking about the park ducks you see around a city. I am talking about birds you will never see unless you get out in the marsh – far away from city life. Pintail, Widgeon, Teal, Scaup, Canvasbacks, etc etc. Duck populations are at all time highs in populations as determined by Spring surveys this year. And, they will need food and water as they migrate. Do you think the refuges in this state can support these by themselves? No way.
Without PRIVATE duck clubs providing the water and habitat for these migrating waterfowl, you would see a drastic decline in their numbers. Hunters have a vested interest in keeping healthy populations of the species they hunt. They want to pass on the tradition of hunting for one’s own food to their kids and grandkids. They harvest some animals, and they also make habitat available for the masses.
Those against hunting will most likely never change their opinion. But, I am certain – after seeing years of research on this issue – and being a hunter myself, that hunting has improved the habitat we have, and has spent the BIG bucks to ensure new sources of habitat are purchased and kept from development.
These soldiers – going on a deer hunt - deserve our respect and anything we can do for them. They hunt, and find a peace in the outdoors that those not participating will never understand. Some may harvest a deer. Some may not. But, they will be a part of something bigger than themselves, and they will enjoy meals of fresh meat – unspoiled by antibiotics, added hormones etc.
God speed to these soldiers and their guides for the hunts.
Posted by Sam, a resident of the Oak Hill neighborhood, on Aug 23, 2012 at 12:54 pm
"Unfortunately, many who oppose hunting have truly never understood the idea of wildlife management."
Well, when it comes to hunting and "wildlife management", I think that you have to admit that hunters as a whole have a spotted history. Many species have been driven to extinction by hunters such as the passenger pigeon, the Javan tiger, the Caribbean monk seal, the Quagga zebra, and the Tasmanian tiger. If those aren't shining examples of complete failures in "wildlife management", then I don't know what is. Did I mention that hunters were responsible for all of these extinctions?
Furthermore, as for your boasting about hunters supporting "millions" of ducks by setting up habitats, did you know that in the time of Lewis and Clark there were reports of there being so many migrating ducks in the sky that the skies became dark with ducks? Yes, habitat destruction had a role in that, but long before habitat destruction became a factor decimation of duck populations by hunters ended that era.
If hunters have become more enlightened about protecting wildlife, then fine. Congratulations. Just remember that hunters as a group still have a long way to go in order to fully redeem themselves for their long string of past failures in "wildlife management".
Posted by Hunter, a resident of the Parkside neighborhood, on Aug 23, 2012 at 1:43 pm
A lot has changed over the years. For example, Market hunting was outlawed…and HUNTERS were a part of that decision. They realized that unregulated (or weakly regulated) hunting was not sustainable. Back in the day, many did not realize the need for a diverse animal population. But, with proper education, and with time – hunters have become very, very responsible and contribute far more than you may know – to the benefit of wildlife.
There will always be those who abuse the law, but then – they are not called hunters. They are called poachers. And should be treated as such.
Millions of hunters and fishermen/women enjoy the outdoors, and they do so in a responsible manner – as well as spend time, money and energy to ensure those fish and animals will be around forever. Hunters work hard on restoring grasslands and watersheds, replanting forests, acquiring land and conservation easements, etc.
Trust me - Times truly have changed. And sportsmen and women are in the forefront.
Posted by Lola, a resident of Livermore, on Aug 23, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Thanks for everything guys!!!!
To the people complaining about hunting....do you eat steaks? Bakon?ham?Turkeys on Thanksgiving??hot dogs?? How bout McDonald cheeseburger?? If u do...i dont really think u should ne complaining much... Some of the best meat i have ever tasted was from my uncles hunting trips....no added preservative or anything.tasted fabulous too.the stuff you buy at the store im sure was sitting in its poop and was being filled full of steroids and whoknows what else. They live sorry lives compared to the wild game.....any ways can i please ask that we show these men some respect???they put there lives on the line for us....stop complaining....its getting annoying....AGAIN THANK YOU "GENTLEMEN" ;)
Posted by Proud WWR , a resident of Livermore, on Aug 23, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Mission accomplished, Thank you for your service . You are our American Hero's God Bless and may you all get a big buck.. When we came down tesla and saw the flag flying above us, I looked over at the riders and they were in aww some had tears in their eyes. And to see the men that are being honored with the biggest smiles on their faces it was priceless ... Happy Hunting and there is some big bucks out there...
Posted by Mary Finn, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Aug 24, 2012 at 7:29 am
This should be an annual thing. Especially since corporate America hires vets at a rate of almost half of hiring of nonvets. This year, a deer shoot. Next year, maybe a lamb slaughter. And the year after that maybe a cow shoot at an area slaughter house. It might catch on and become a great American pasttime.
Posted by Proud WWR , a resident of Livermore, on Aug 24, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Earl Boehm thank you for your service, I know that you never had a welcome home from the community when you came home. That is something we as WWR'S will NEVER let happen again so thank you God Bless...<3 WWR
Posted by Mary Finn, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Aug 24, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Actually, vets who have served recently in the middle east are treated far worse than those who served in vietnam. Today's vets are twice as likely to be unemployed as are non-vets. Why? Our patriotic corporate America has decided it doesn't like having to deal with possible return calls to duty, and then there's the nasty issue of PTSD and other psychological maladies. Thank God, however, that we give them deer shoots and then slap ourselves on the back for being so receptive to returning vets.
Posted by Matthew "Santo" Boggs, a resident of another community, on Aug 25, 2012 at 9:22 am
I will start this by saying I am pro-fire arm but am not an avocate of hunting as I do not see the need as my local store has more then enough food. that being said, I support the rights of all citizens to participate in hunting, fishing and like events as they choose.
To be very clear, this event, the program and the entire concept might include hunting but isn't solely about hunting, killing or maiming innocent animals. These people being honored and those that have been honored in the last four years this event has occurred have been witness to examples of our species at its worst. The core desire of the event is to bring these Heroes that were selected by their peers to places where they can spend time with both people that have shared similar experiences as well as be surrounded those that appreciate their sacrifice. They do more than just “go kill things” and not every recipient is a gun totting war machine. In general, earning a purple heart pertains to being wounded or killed during a time of war; nothing in the criteria that requires the recipient to have fired a single round as there are more than just infantry serving in the front lines. One of the six honorees this year was a NYFD Fire Fighter who was on site for both the 1993 bombing of the Word Trade Center as well as reporting to his fire house on September 11th, 2001 and suiting up to head into the fray. That was after learning his crew had already responded and perished giving their all for their fellow citizens (he was off that day).
This event isn’t about killing, it’s about living. It’s about these men learning to live with what they’ve experienced, learning to rejoin everyday life and get back to participating in the same events their fellow citizens enjoy; including hunting. The participants are taken out to hunt but it’s the comradery and companionship they share that is the most important part of the healing process. This event share similarities with the healing and reconnection the occurs every time the East Bay Stand Down (another Pleasanton-based event) occurs. The venue is different but the sharing and healing are the same. Fortunately, most of us will never be privy to the horrors witnessed by these men and their fellow Heroes. The warrior does not choose the war, only to serve his Nation with pride, honor and integrity. This event is about helping recuperate these warriors in a venue that is non-confrontational, rustic and a place they can relax and open up. These are not people that sit in a circle of chairs on a Wednesday night in an empty elementary school classroom while they talk about their feelings.
The event is hunting themed and oriented mainly because the local ranchers, business owners, conservation groups and hunting entities host and fund the event. These are NOT YOUR tax dollars at work. These are private citizens allowing hunting on their private lands as their way to say thanks. You might put a yellow ribbon on your car, wave a flag on the 4th of July or in truth simply do absolutely nothing to honor them. That is your right and it’s exactly what they served to protect every time they put on their uniform before walking into the unknown. Regardless of the banter, venting or venom in the previous posts this event is import to these heroes and the others around our Nation that are honored every year. Thanks to our Constitution and its supporting documents we ALL can have those opinions and share them openly. If you don’t like the hunting, start your own program funded with donations and help honor these men with camp outs, nature hikes or something else of a rehabilative nature. Until then, enjoy your rights to have an opinion and not have to fear retribution for your response; regardless of how it makes the blood of others boil… Your freedom has a price as does mine, these men paid it and this is a way to repay them best they know how.
Posted by BambiSchmambi, a resident of the California Reflections neighborhood, on Aug 25, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Santos says "To be very clear, this event, the program and the entire concept might include hunting but isn't solely about hunting, killing or maiming innocent animals. These people being honored and those that have been honored in the last four years this event has occurred have been witness to examples of our species at its worst."
Okay, so as antidote, let's go shoot a few defenseless deer and everyone can slap themselves on the back. Okay, I think I get it. Because, see, hunting with guns that kill other species as well as members of our own is very therapeutic; and it allows us to honor those who have fought valiantly by putting a gun back in their hands. Got it!