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Reopen the waterslides, urge residents

Original post made on Jun 13, 2012

Pleasanton residents and officials pushed for the reopening of the waterslides at Shadow Cliffs in a joint meeting held midday Monday with city and East Bay Regional Park District representatives at the Vets Hall.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Tuesday, June 12, 2012, 4:15 PM

Comments (18)

Posted by William Tell, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 13, 2012 at 7:15 am

What kind of "land use plan" phases out a family fun venue that serves the community? Is this part of the city's "land use plan" for high density low-income housing, importing poverty, degrading our schools and ruining our downtown?

Look, Pleasanton has continued to thrive DESPITE its political leadership. Hosterman and the other two stooges have really started to make an impact in bringing Pleasanton down. I really hope nobody votes for Sullivan or Cook-Callio for mayor - otherwise we're doomed.


Posted by Friar Tuck, a resident of Del Prado
on Jun 13, 2012 at 10:44 am

@ William Tell - The City of Pleasanton has little if any control over what the East Bay Regional Parks District does at Shadowcliffs. Please direct your wrath at the proper place. EBRPD is responsible for the decision to phase out the waterslides, to meet an unknown agenda, no one seems to know who or what is driving the decisions.

Please get involved by attending upcoming planning meetings and voicing your support for keeping the SC Waterslides.


Posted by Arroyo, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 13, 2012 at 11:08 am

Oh darned! I sure hope listening to the parents of the local children doesn't scuttle that new Interpretive Center that we've all been looking forward to. (Right!)


Posted by olfthfl, a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Jun 13, 2012 at 2:21 pm

I especially want to thank Chuck Bierdeman for the incredible amount of time and effort he has put into trying to save this invaluable asset to our community. My sincere appreciation Chuck.


Posted by avidreader, a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Jun 14, 2012 at 8:55 am

What can residents do now to help the decision to reopen?


Posted by Save Our Slides, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 14, 2012 at 10:29 am

"The slides provide an inexpensive fun amenity for our kids and families, jobs for teens and supports our local tax base by attracting customers to local businesses. All without any cost to the taxpayers because it is privately operated."

Pleasanton has voiced their support for saving the water slides.
EBRPD is responding at a reluctant pace leaving uncertainty for a Summer 2013 reopening.
To help, register support at the Save the Slides website www.saveshadowcliffswaterslides.com.
Attend meetings or send in a "Save Our Slides" picture that we can take to meetings to show your support. See website for instructions.
Send email in support to East Bay Regional Parks District (EBRPD) and the City of Pleasanton.

dsiden@ebparks.org,

awieskamp@ebparks.org,

joconnor@ebparks.org,

wdotson@ebparks.org,

jsutter@ebparks.org,

cseverin@ebparks.org,

blane@ebparks.org,

tradke@ebparks.org

bdoyle@ebparks.org


Posted by cwbierdeman@gmail.com, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Jun 15, 2012 at 10:53 am

Thanks olfthfl! Glad I can play a role. With the local community's support, we have a fighting chance.

As S.O.S points out, the website is ready for action, check it out at www.saveshadowcliffswaterslides.com


Posted by rip off, a resident of California Reflections
on Jun 16, 2012 at 7:38 pm

From the yelp reviews, this place is unsafe with poor management. It needs to go.

From Yelp -

This place is a COMPLETE RIP OFF-- only 3 of 4 slides work since they are not maintained very well. HALF a day for 4 kids cost $56 + $6 parking--- this allowed them to go down the slides twice in an hour and a half --- probably due to overselling admission to the remaining 3 slides. My children said it was wasted time. When I wanted to complain to the owner the children working at the entrance said he is out of state and would not take a phone call. Spend the money and go to a real water park-- CONCORD waterworld or Raging Waters.

Spent a half day here. It seemed relatively clean and the kids were having fun. Long lines didnt seem to deter the fun. Then a child came off the slide with a terrible nose bleed that dripped all the way across the concrete at the end of the slides to the area that you keep your belongings. The blood sat on the concrete (kids walking through it) for 20 minutes despite staff standing around. I advised the manager that it wasn't safe and got a nasty response. 10 minutes later, it was hosed with water. Management seems poor and I wonder about health/safety awareness and training...seems to be lacking. Still the kids had fun, though I left grossed out not to return.


Posted by rip off, a resident of California Reflections
on Jun 17, 2012 at 12:35 am

Sounds like a resurrection of the ill-fated California Splash. Looks like the company California Splash LLC is wanting taxpayers to foot the bill for $6 M that the investors never spent of the $10.5 M that was supposed to be spent by investors to build California Splash.

Here is the Business Plan for California Splash LLC Web Link

Their objective? Well, if you read the business plan, the investors want to make gross revenues from anywhere from $4 million and $5 million a year.

Except they don't want to build the park. They want $6 M of taxpayer dollars to 'refurbish' the existing obsolete slides.


Posted by Mom of 4, a resident of Vineyard Hills
on Jun 17, 2012 at 6:22 am

In 30 years there was not one dollar spent on the Shadow Cliff slides. The proposal was directed at private investors for an expansion that has been off the table for years. These slides are the best deal taxpayers can get, they cost taxpayers nothing.

My kids rode their bikes to Shadow Cliffs to enjoy a day of safe inexpensive fun every summer.


Posted by Mom of 4, a resident of Vineyard Hills
on Jun 17, 2012 at 6:41 am

correction:
In 30 years there has not been one TAXPAYER dollar spent on the Shadow Cliff slides.

The proposed renovation will not be at the expense of taxpayers. The operations of the slides will not and never has been at the expense of taxpayers.


Posted by Mom of 4, a resident of Vineyard Hills
on Jun 17, 2012 at 6:41 am

correction:
In 30 years there has not been one TAXPAYER dollar spent on the Shadow Cliff slides.

The proposed renovation will not be at the expense of taxpayers. The operations of the slides will not and never has been at the expense of taxpayers.


Posted by rip off, a resident of California Reflections
on Jun 17, 2012 at 12:08 pm

Taxpayers have been paying for this for years. This operation is a 'free rider' and a serious threat to any municipal and district budget.

If he wants to open water slides, have him open them on commercial property, where he will have to pay taxes in order to support the public services this operation receives.

He can buy his very own insurance, pay for his own police officers and security guards, pay for his own water, pay for his own electricity and pay for his own Environmental Impact Report. And he can litigate his own lawsuits when he gets sued.


Posted by Mom of 4, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 17, 2012 at 1:01 pm

The slides have paid an annual concession fee and brought in parking revenue to EBRPD, they carry their own liability insurance.

"Rapids Waterslides brought $90,000 per season in concession and parking fees to the Park District."


Posted by rip off, a resident of California Reflections
on Jun 17, 2012 at 3:56 pm

EBPRD loses $340,000 per year running Shadow Cliffs, in large part because of the high cost of the Water Slides.

Tri-Valley Herald : Water park backers launch PR plan - <br>...‎

Tri-Valley Herald - Aug 22, 2003
... which estimates that it's losing $340000 each year running Shadow Cliffs. ... and not supposed to make money, but we need to do what's responsible for our ... California Splash will hold a focus group meeting at 7 pm Wednesday, Aug.


Posted by Mom of 4, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 17, 2012 at 4:11 pm

RO, you posted gibberish there is nothing credible to respond to.
If EBRPD has been running SC at a loss they are going to be in far worse shape without the parking revenue from the slides.


Posted by rip off, a resident of California Reflections
on Jun 17, 2012 at 11:28 pm

Previous news reports including the Aug 22, 2003 Tri Valley Herald (gibberish?) reported the loss of $340,000 running Shadow Cliffs.

BTW -- There is no way to distinguish parking revenue from the slides vs parking revenue from the trails vs parking revenue from the lake area. There is no separate parking area for the slides.


Posted by Mom of 4, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 18, 2012 at 9:18 am

Yes gibberish, there is no link and the point is irrelevant. Public parks do not make a profit and they do have maintenance costs. The slides have been self-sustaining and have brought revenue to EBRPD. The only way the slides have cost EBRPD money is that they make the park more appealing so more people use the park.
At the June 11th meeting EBRPD estimated that 40% of the parking was due to the slides, and acknowledged they will soon find out this summer when they see how much their parking revenue is down. The figure used by Kirstead is probably an underestimate of the revenue generated by slide attendance.


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