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on May 10, 2012
Strange... isn't their a gunpowder residue test that can tell if you fired a handgun recently? I have to assume such a test must not be reliable or maybe doesn't work for all types of handguns?
Very sad situation, I pray comfort for Amy and Ainsley's family and friends.
Maybe it's a case of maternal mental illness? BTW: why did she leave her job in March? There is more to this story....
"Maybe it's a case of maternal mental illness? BTW: why did she leave her job in March? There is more to this story...."
Maybe it was done by the young "suspicious male" from Kentucky. Maybe the tale about the young "suspicious male" was a red herring thrown out by the husband to focus attention away from himself. Maybe it was a murder suicide by the mother. Maybe it was a murder suicide by the daughter, etc., etc.. We can speculate endlessly on this. Better to wait for the police to complete their investigation.
I agree with Sam. Let the police finish their investigation before everyone jumps to conclusions. The results of ballistic tests and gun powder residue tests don't take quite as long as they are making out, but the police probably want to have all the information (evidence)in their hands so they can accurately determine what happened. If the police thought this was done by an outsider, I am sure they would have already expressed it, public safety and all.
If it's anything other then a murder/suicide we should all be concerned. I would venture the police have everything they need except may be the time of death.
Excuse me. We are talking about Pleasanton's overpaid and bloated union police force right? And everyone is putting they're faith in them? I suddenly have to barf up my breakfast.
Stephen, apparently you have never needed help from the Pleasanton Police Department. I am HIGHLY aggravated that you would make such an assertion. Those men and women make sacrifices every day to make our City one of the best around. My faith is in them every single day. As for the ones working on this case, I have every confidence they will figure it all out in due time.
However, in Pleasanton, the officers do not have much current experience in angle of bullets, etc. Shooter could be either Mom or daughter....or Dad, or freeway shooter. Do we know about wallets, and if full or empty.
Whatever happened, this is really a very sad story. A mother and a daughter just lost their lives-there could be many great and happy days ahead for them instead.
I don't want to speculate but I really doubt this is a third party murder case because if there are only two shots made, both deadly on the head, the murderer should be really good at shooting, like a sniper...
Never thought this kind of case could happen to this neighborhood. Still can't believe it. And feel very sad about it.
Detectives needed: is so right except for the freeway shooting they were both shot in the back of the head and that would be hard to do with the sound wall.
PPD always needs to bring out the crime manual for these types of crimes. They're use to traffic stops, drug raids, etc but not shootings.
I have been reading the updates on Pleasanton Weekly and KTVU and I think this is more than a murder-suicide because usually both bodies being shot in the back of the head doesn't happen as a murder-suicide!!!! There are too many empty holes in this case.
I hope PPD are able to solve this crime so there is closure for the family and friends.
@ unknown: please reference what article you read that said they were both shot in the back of the head. I have only read that they were both shot in the head.
PLEASE STOP EVERYBODY! I'm a 13 year old student at Hart who was friends with Ainsley. Please stop talking about the case and just take the time to realize what has happened. WE JUST LOST A CLASSMATE. do you know how hard that is? to wake up, and have your parents tell you your best friend is dead? Hart students have suffered more than their fair share from the deaths of Ainsley and Joey. We haven't even gotten over Joey and now we have this being thrown right back in our faces! You "adults" aren't making this any easier. AT ALL. do you know what it's like to have everybody speculating about what they think happened instead of focusing on what's really important? Pleasanton is ALWAYS like this, people talk about irrelevant things that will not make the situation any better. SO, PLEASE JUST STOP, TAKE A MINUTE AND PAY YOUR RESPECTS TO THEM, NOT JUST SIT AROUND AND HAVE ARGUMENTS ABOUT THE POLICE.
#JUSTICEFORAINSLEY #RIPAINSLEY #WELOVEYOUAINSLEY #IMISSYOU
This is so sad. My heart goes out to the victims loved ones. We are not detectives but if you stop & think for a minute it was one gunshot to the head and the gun was found next to the bodies. Doubt that it was done by an outsider and the PPD just like any other police dept investigating a shooting case would've said so by now.
Unless someone fired from the freeway and then tossed the gun into the room.
Such a tragedy!!! My prayers go out the family!!!
@Kellie - please don't read the articles or comments. It is like tv, if you don't like the show, turn the channel. As adults, we question why this happens, you will too when you are an adult. I am sad about this tragedy too. My prayers go out to the family. But as an educated person, I want to know WHY this happened.
[removed] You cannot even see the houses from the freeway, there is a sound wall. I am surprised you didn't say someone came in on BART and did it.
I hope the family and friends find comfort during this difficult time.
love this batch of latest comments and cannot wait to see more or when the truth does come out.
kellie-you say you are 13 and live in laguna oaks yet you got to hart and some of your comment sounds more like an adult. okay so you are smart.
to Detective Needed-you are just a plain . . . as is Stephen. pleasanotn Police are wonderful and do their job-next time you two need an officer-call ghostbuster then.
Mustang Sally -thank you for sticking up for our men in blue.
Now here is what I am thinking but am not pointing fingers at anyone since I am not a detective anymore but was in another life. (Comment removed by Pleasanton Weekly Online staff for containing unverified or personal information.) He working for Ross Stores got transferred to the area where Ross is located? that just sounds too fishy to me. maybe Ross would transfer you out of state but why back to the area where their home office is? hummmm. Just saying. go ahead and tell me I am an . . . not the first time.
And what about the guns? come on he should have known the guns should be registered. Remember people. Scott Peterson cooperated with officials too and look what he was arrested for.
Too many open ends in this one. Rest in Peace Amy and Ainsley
Hey Steven...a mother and daughter are dead from whatever circumstances that went down that day and you want to complain that PPD has a, "bloated and overpaid" police force? How classy of you. Additionally, this is not an episode of CSI and the Alameda County Crime Lab does not churn out ballistic results in hours or even days. It can take WEEKS or months...you know why Steven? Because of a little thing called budget cuts...those most likely "bloated and overpaid" crime lab analysts are under funded because of people like you that want to bash on law enforcement.
Steven...maybe you should take a second look at your third grade spelling level. It's "their" not "they're" but just saying...
RIP to the mother and daughter, irregardless of the way they lost their lives that day. Also thank you to the officers and detectives that had THEIR lives impacted that day when they had to be involved in such a horrific scene. I am sure it is something they will not forget either.
Please hold the wild speculation and do not accuse a grieving husband and father. That is cruel beyond words.
Honestly, based on everything they've said and have not said, I'd be shocked if this doesn't turn out to be a murder/suicide. They've been clear that there's no need to worry about a murderer running around the community do obviously it was someone on the inside, either a murder/suicide or the husband did it which so far this doesn't appear to be the way it's headed. They released a statement saying it was unlikely Ainsley shot herself, yet they didn't say the same about Amy. If they know this about one, they probably know it about the other.
At the end of the day, two beautiful lives were taken way too soon. If it was a murder/suicide, I'm guessing there was an underlying mental health issue, perhaps deep depression, that Amy was dealing with. No sane or mentally healthy person would go this IF THIS IS THE CASE. I don't speak of mental illness lightly as it is a real disease like any other. Amy might also have had a hard time adjusting to the move. Many years ago I moved out of state to the Midwest and moved back six months later. We just couldn't adjust and thankfully had the resources that we could turn around and bone back home. Maybe this was the case for her too but for whatever reason she felt she couldn't go back. Maybe it was financial or even guilt about moving her daughter again.
I pray for a swift resolution and am not here to judge, only to offer up potential things that might have contributed in some small way. No matter what anyone says, two lives were taken and it's profoundly tragic for their families, loved ones and thei communities.
PPD has failed my family numerous times even refusing to enforce a child custody order. They don't make laws or decide if they agree with court orders, they are to carry out the orders of the courts and ENFORCE the law. Until you've had a major need for their assistance, please reserve your kudos because things aren't always what they seem and sometimes you have to learn this the hard way even when you've done all the right things.
Just wanted to apologize for all my iPhone autocorrect mistakes in my last posting.
RIP AINSLEY AND AMY.
You said "kellie-you say you are 13 and live in laguna oaks yet you got to hart and some of your comment sounds more like an adult"
You don't know what you're talking about. Kids from Laguna Oaks go to Hart Middle school.
Please refrain on you ridiculous, insensitive and rude accusations.
I was in middle school when two of my classmates died from suicide and one disappeared - the investigation is reopened after 30 years. I am so sorry for you and your classmates and what you are dealing with. We didn't have internet, but all the people still speculated and all towns are like this...unfortunately, it is human nature. My child was a close friend of the AVHS student who died a few years back. There were nasty things on here at that time too. I have to agree with another poster - for you the best thing is to stay off the PW forums. Stay near your friends and family and talk to the school counselors - that will help you with healing. My thoughts and prayers are with all the families and friends.
I keep seeing people saying that the guns were not registered. Guns are not registered in America, not even in the Peoples Republic of California. This is the United States not Russia, at least not yet. Ownership is not the problem, use is.
Most murders in this country are committed by undocumented pharmaceutical salesmen, relatives or someone known by the victim(s). Because there is no report of signs of struggle it is probably one of the latter two.
Because people speculate about a crime like this it does not mean they have no compassion for the family and friends of the victims. This type of crime is rare in Pleasanton so the public is curious not callous.
I read your assertion above, and you sound as if you do know what you are talking about, but can you comment on this clause?
25. I am moving into California and I own several handguns. What are the new-resident registration requirements? You are considered to be a personal handgun importer as defined by California law. You may bring all of your otherwise California-legal firearms with you, but you must report all of your handguns to the DOJ within 60 days as required utilizing the New Resident Handgun Ownership Report, pdf. You are not required to report rifles or shotguns. You may not bring ammunition feeding devices with a capacity greater than ten rounds, machineguns, or assault weapons into California.
(PC sections 12001(n), 12072(f)(2))
what is the latest real news on this story? Why no update since last week?
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