Posted by Mike Hughes, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Jan 20, 2012 at 8:26 am
We recently purchased a Chevy Volt electric car for our delivery vehicle for Baci and Cafe Main. The driving factors were environmental and also how nice the Volt performs. To those who are considering, it's one of the best cars I've ever driven. Been averaging 80 miles to the gallon since we purchased two months ago. I would like to thank Pleasanton for being so forward thinking in providing the charge stations that happen to be blocks from our downtown businesses for free to this point and have no issues paying the fares going forward. I believe you will experience more users over time by investing and promoting charge stations. What a great job!
Posted by Not subsidized, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jan 20, 2012 at 8:46 am
I would say all the local taxpayers should have a voice in the rate. I certainly do not intend, and will not, subsidize anybody that's sucking my electric power. So on a hot day, my AC shuts off, or because of the power drain, I pay the highest tier on my bill, or we have a blackout ? that's not a plan...
Please, Voltie, don't pretend it's about 'environment' when you are sucking off very dirty, dirty, electric power plants. Have you campaigned for nuclear power, so there would be abundant, all-clean, carbon-free supply? Definitely on this subject the cart is before the horse. Sufficient clean power first, then cars ! Until we have abundant, clean nuclear, I think elec cars should come with their own built-in solar system, not taking off my neighborhood residential grid.
Posted by Curious, a resident of the Del Prado neighborhood, on Jan 20, 2012 at 10:34 am
@ Steve - I would suggest going back and doing a little research on the whole "flaming Volt" story put out by Fox News last month. Here are the facts: AFTER roll over crash tests and AFTER the test vehicles sat for 3 WEEKS UPSIDE DOWN, the batteries leaked and started fires. No fires have been reported in any consumer owned vehicles.
Would you hazard to guess what would happen to a gasoline powered car after a roll-over crash? How many car-b-ques have you witnessed?
Posted by tigger, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jan 20, 2012 at 11:02 am
I appreciate the good intentions of the City here, and yet I wonder about the practicality of the charging stations. If it takes several hours to recharge the vehicle, then would seem that those using the vehicles are bound to immediate area for that time...meaning the most likely users would be nearby employees. I heard the Stoneridge Mall has similar plans (perhaps already installed)...guess that might appeal to someone who has several hours to shop. Impractical for most of us working folks with less daytime to wait around.
Posted by Dan, a resident of the Bridle Creek neighborhood, on Jan 20, 2012 at 11:21 am
I'm so tired of the "Fox News" straw man that so many posters fall back on. The story was reported widely by many outlets. Geez...!
Fact is, nearly all Chevy Volts are being recalled because of poor structural design around the batteries.
Lack of sales coupled with federal and state subsidies and poor design (forget about manufacturing quality) and you have a perfect example of why Government should not be in the venture capital business.
Oh and by the way, I was against it when Bush did it too.
Posted by Steve, a resident of the Stoneridge neighborhood, on Jan 20, 2012 at 1:32 pm
I would suggest a little more research on that story reported by CBS News.
Here are the facts: Heavily subsidized companies in the green sector couldn't care less about cost. Just like public sector unions, lobbyists for green corporations easily obtain public funding for their "causes" and products.
Then their products are touted as inexpensive or free alternatives to fossil fuels, while we foot the bill (kind of reminds me of toll roads funding mass transit in the BA). They don't have to answer to the small folk because their political connections make them untouchable, and their connection to reducing global warming makes them seem saintly in the eyes of the unwashed masses.
So Solyndra doesn't care about repaying us, as long as their executive bank accounts remain untouched.
Maybe if you stopped watching so much CBS news, you'd be better informed ;).
Posted by John, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jan 20, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Electric cars actually generate less greenhouse gas emissions per mile traveled than a conventional car, even when relying on coal fired electric power plants. In California, it is even better than most as much of our electric power is from non-coal sources (nuclear, hydroelectric, geothermal and wind). The trick with electric cars is that they are as "green" as your power grid. All electric cars get greener with every improvement in the grid. This cannot be said for gas or hybrid vehicles. That's their advantage. And, despite some people's paranoid fears, the grid can more than adequately support a large increase in electric cars than we have already.
Besides, if you choose to put in air conditioning in your house, or if you want to put in ten million Christmas lights, why should I be forced to subsidize your waste of electricity at peak power times? It is no different than if I would want to plug in my electric car.
Posted by John, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jan 20, 2012 at 2:25 pm
... and to Steve: I find your argument quite compelling. The interesting thing is that exactly the same thing can be said about oil companies, which receive extremely cheap leases on public lands, as well as other billions in subsidies.
Posted by QMike, a resident of the Highland Oaks neighborhood, on Jan 20, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Charging stations are good PR to raise awareness at a time when the public is beginning to consider EVs and there are still few on the road. Clearly, EVs are intended for short-distance runs, the store, the bank and the nail salon, for which a home-charge should be just fine. With the new high-density housing going up in town, maybe we'll see more EVs being used for short-distance commutes to work.
Posted by Bowler, a member of the Amador Valley High School community, on Jan 20, 2012 at 8:56 pm
EV charging stations are not just good PR, they are the law. California adopted the Green Building Code which became effective in January. It spells out the number of chargers required per the number of spaces, much like the way code sets out the number of accessible spaces required. Its a wonderful step forward.
Posted by Steve, a resident of the Parkside neighborhood, on Jan 20, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Just so you won't think FOox News got the scoop or made up this news, here's a link describing the flaming volt problem for almost 8000 cars. It's expensive to perform large scale recalls, so there's a very good reason to question these cars safety and integrity.
Maybe we can plug in espresso makers into those free charging stations. I can go 340 miles on a double espresso, Mike.
Posted by Bowler, a member of the Amador Valley High School community, on Jan 20, 2012 at 10:18 pm
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration on Friday closed its investigation of Chevy Volt battery fires, concluding that there is no defect trend and that electric cars do not pose a greater risk of fire than gasoline-powered vehicles.
Sorry, to keep you anxiously waiting....here's the link I mentioned above. Since this story came out, Obama ordered a new press release regarding his govt motors product in an effort to salvage his latest failed effort, a la Solyndra.
Posted by Not subsidized, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jan 21, 2012 at 8:16 am
Oh John, So you do expect that I won't be able to use my AC here in the tri-Valley. And I have never sent you my gas bill to pay. It's not bad enough, that I have to pay for half your car purchase...I've always had to buy my own cars. But, on top of buying your high price toy for you, you acknowledge you expect me to pay your elec bill, as if sacrificing my 'supply' for you isn't enough. Supply is a big issue. PG&E CEO Darby spoke to an auto conference in Detroit 3 years ago, saying 4 elec cars plugged in at the same time can cause a neighborhood substation blackout. PEAK hours use becomes a major war. There must also be a LAW to enforce only night charging....as it is suppose to be now, th these people somehow think they are special for the car I buy for them. They are not special.
thanks Bowler for reminding us we need to overturn and prevent further 'police state' big brother laws dictating charging stations.. the message is PAY ATTENTION. Certainly the owners of those expensive cars must use their credit cards at the charging stations, that I assume would be drawing off of 'city lights' or at the city lot....which I pay for, so the bills and income would need to be reported to taxpayers.
Also, by law home charging should only be allowed during the night.period.
Posted by Steve, a resident of the Parkside neighborhood, on Jan 21, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Who is the one on drugs, Geez? The kids are on drugs because posters commented about subsidizing power for electric vehicles that may catch on fire? The only thing you left out of your post was the usual name calling that occurs when liberals are criticized.
Posted by Not subsidized, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jan 26, 2012 at 2:07 pm
I saw one being installed in front of Walgreen's yesterday. I chatted with the 3 electricians about where the user's money goes. I was shown the slider for the card...for that company. Maybe there will be billing direct to the user...how LOGICAL is that ! Anything else would be done without support of the public. I do think there should be time limits just for 'boosts' while shopping. I'm sad to have LOST one of the very limited parking spaces right at the 'intersection' from Valley, Santa Rita, Safeway, Hallmark, ALL making it difficult to 'back out' without read vision...and I just want to 'run in' to Walgreen's for one item ! ! ! Why not 20 feet closer to Safeway, across drive CENTERED in lot. Not bad enough there are SO many handicapped spaces blocking Hallmark & Walgreen's. So I wonder what the brilliant explaination is for not moving a few feet into a more open Safeway area,,,literally 3 spaces away, I suppose 'the city' was involved in screwing it up,
Posted by Not subsidized, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jan 29, 2012 at 2:06 pm
OK ! JUST WHO IS RESPONSIBLE ? ? ? I ran to Walgreens this morning for a quick 10 minutes....it's NOT A space that has been stolen, it's TWO Fxxxxxx spaces for ONE car, plus a space with a green painted X..
I honestly think Walgreen should SUE. Their business is fast in and out, averaging sbout 12 minutes.. Already AT their front door toward Hallmark, there were/are FOUR GIANT handicapped spaces (never full).
WHY in this 'center' parking lot of a hundred spaces, were the 7 parking spaces and 4 handicapped AT Walgreen's front door picked on for shortage. Their 12 minute shoppers won't be bothering to plug in. Are there any 'thinking' people involved in this project. Surely the 3 electricians (1 was maybe 18) were not left alone to choose the spots! Explain ! I'll encourage Walgreen's in a suit, which I hope they file. We cannot risk any further stupid choices. This makes people hate the green elite who think they can just encroach and push others aside !! I'll xxxx well stop paying for their cars, and pg&e with arrogance like that.
Posted by Not subsidized, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Jan 31, 2012 at 9:53 am
Apparently, selfish, business destroying types, are also spineless, without the decency to step up to even explain HOW they arrived at their decision, what criteria might have been used to justify their decision-making process. What it a dartboard, or were they paid off by Safeway...to go to extraordinary measures to avoid their 100 spaces ? ? just a question... We'll have to watch the sneeky and ruthless greens from here on, since they obviously have no sense of right and wrong or simple decency. Lack of ethics, like this behavior, only calls for a much rocky future !
Posted by resident, a resident of another community, on Feb 8, 2012 at 6:53 pm
I plugged my leaf in the charger downtown today. It is free until April at which point you can pay with a credit card that has one of the wireless transmitters in them. You can also get a charge point access card that is tied to a credit card. Most places are charging 1-2 dollars an hour for a charge. It still beats gas prices.