Car hits pedestrian by Tawny Park - who knows anything? Crimes & Incidents, posted by Chuck Bierdeman, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Dec 22, 2011 at 6:19 am
Yesterday afternoon a pedestrian was hit by a car near the intersection of Tawny and Norton. It was hard to tell but it may have been a student that was hit. I cannot find any reports in the news. Does anyone know any details? How is the person who was hit?
Posted by Chuck Bierdeman, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Dec 22, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Thanks Mary for the info. Glad to hear that the injuries were "minor" (per the article on CCtimes). My family and I moved here from the Del Prado area back in February and the intersection at Tawny and Norton has always bothered me. In Del Prado we lived near the tennis courts, and they did it right over there. The street by the tennis court has all-way stops with crosswalks at each intersection. Here at Tawny and Norton there is one cross walk - thatís good - but Norton does not have one. Additionally, Norton only has a yield sign. I did some checking and see that this isnít the first time that kids have been hit by cars there.
Posted by Lilliebelle goldenrod, a resident of the Canyon Creek neighborhood, on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:10 am
I bet it was the kids fault. yes it sounds rude and uncaring., BUT have you noticed how many kids disobey the crosswalks and red lights? maybe someone that is that nosy that wants to find out about the accident can call the PD themselves. obviously more things were important yesterday such as the lady at the bank with a broken finger nail.
Posted by resident, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Dec 23, 2011 at 8:52 am
For CB -- during one recent year there were FOUR people hit in the crosswalk at Neal and First St. They were all crossing with the light, the cars that hit them were all turning left from eastbound Neal onto northbound First. There are lights and crosswalks on all four of those corners. People in this town are so focused on their cell phones and their next nail appointment that they pay no attention to driving.
Posted by Don, a resident of the Ironwood neighborhood, on Dec 23, 2011 at 9:25 am
OK, this gets my attention because I am a crossing guard. I see everything at my corner which is very busy. Regardless who is to blame, it is the speed of the cars that is scarey. Yes, people talking on cell phones and texting is still a big problem. Wherever you see children please be aware as you cannot second guess what they will do. If there is a marked crosswalk and one with a crossing guard present, and any person in that crosswalk, you must wait until they have reached their destination, and it is clear. And while on the subject, adults as well as children should follow the instructions of the crossing guard. We are fortunate to have the guard program here in Pleasanton and keep our people safe.
Posted by Mary, a resident of the Vineyard Avenue neighborhood, on Dec 23, 2011 at 9:29 am
WHO CARES whose fault it is!! the fact that ANYONE was hit in our town should have at least been reported by the LOCAL news.. ptown weekly Included! There are ridiculous articles posted everyday.. and yet here is one where someone was hit by a car and nothing.. and then to find out it was a kid.. yeah.. it is disturbing the Weekly STILL has not posted anything on it... I am glad the kid is ok, and only minor injuries, but it seems to me that, that intersection needs something more than what it has...
Posted by Robin, a member of the Foothill High School community, on Dec 23, 2011 at 10:42 am
I live near an elementary school, yesterday as they were getting out I was driving back to work. I saw a parent with their child crossing about 20 feet from a marked crosswalk with a crossing guard. With more and more cars on the road these days, it is a good idea to teach your young child the proper proceedure to crossing the street. The extra 20 feet to walk down to the crosswalk would make a big difference. Children learn from their parents the difference between right and wrong, this child just learned the "wrong" way to cross a street. Fortunately, they crossed safely, but with so many SUVs and Vans being driving by parents searching to pick up their kid, it could have gone bad.
Posted by Dead Right, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Dec 23, 2011 at 7:38 pm
Resident, I fear you are right. I get outraged at cars that cross lines and don't signal, park ON parking lot lines, etc. etc. I but really, really get raving angry at inconsiderate, incompetent pedestrians ! ! When they have no responsibility or caring about their own lives, why should drivers. Walkers can stop a foot mid-air, a lot easier that a 2 ton vehicle can stop. If texting is more important than their lives, so be it. And in parking lots, there is literally no way to see both rear sides at the same instant opposite 'walkers' are on our corner bumpers.
I would like a movement for a total change in our laws. Equal responsibility for both autos and pedestrians, UNLESS the person has both feet in the crosswalk. Laws should be on a case by case basis...both have a vested interest, both should be equally responsible. And if a mobile device is in action at that moment, slam dunk, walker's fault.
Posted by Chuck Bierdeman, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Dec 24, 2011 at 7:36 am
It's nice to see the interest in this topic. Sounds like there are a few things we can all agree on:
1: Pedestrians and drivers both need to be accountable for practicing safety
2: There are times pedestrians and drivers do dangerous things (darting into traffic or texting while driving)
3: When its car vs. pedestrians, car wins, so pedestrians must be EXTRA cautious
4: Parents must teach their kids how to safely cross streets both in words and actions
So I'm wondering (and I intend to find out) are there certain safety standards that are applied by municipalities when it comes to streets near parks and busy traffic areas? What are Pleasanton's policies (if any), and are they applied equally?
I believe that I will drive around and do an inventory of our parks and streets. If anyone is interested in helping out, let me know and we'll divide and conquer. Look for further postings. In the meantime, drive (and walk) safely.
Posted by Tango , a resident of the Vineyard Avenue neighborhood, on Dec 26, 2011 at 11:56 am
I agree with a lot of what was said above. I also think that because Tawny is next to a park , that there should be a three way stop at Tawny and Norten. There are a lotsdWshq of children and adults that cross Tawny from mid park to the shopping center. It happens all the time. Driver please take notice that there is a park and lots of children use it, they are not being taught where they should cross. Takes to much time and effort to go to the crossing lights. If the police would watch this area ,they could help by giving jay walking tickets. Make the parent think about what they teaching children,
Posted by resident, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Dec 26, 2011 at 1:16 pm
For CB again -- "are there certain safety standards that are applied by municipalities when it comes to streets near parks and busy traffic areas? What are Pleasanton's policies (if any), and are they applied equally?"
The absolute worst example of Pleasanton's lack of policies was the ice rink that Fialho tried to shove down our collective throats two years ago. He insisted that it be placed in the park on First St and Angels near the bathrooms. There is a crosswalk there with flashing lights only, no stop light. This ice rink would have drawn thousands of kids who would have been out in the dark, crossing one of the busiest streets in the city, without a stop light at the pseudo-crosswalk. Does Pleasanton have safety policies about things like street crossings? Not even in your dreams.
Posted by Chuck Bierdeman, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Dec 27, 2011 at 10:03 am
I contacted the Pleasanton PD and gained some additional information today:
The pedestrian was walking east crossing Norton at the intersection with Tawny
The car was traveling west on Tawny and turning left/south onto Norton
Sun glare was a contributing factor
The driver did not see the pedestrian
The place that the pedestrian crossed on Norton is legally considered "an unmarked crosswalk". Meaning that there is no actual crosswalk but since it is an intersection and people cross there it is considered an unmarked crosswalk.
I will propose that this intersection become a three way stop(like Tango suggests) with full crosswalks with the following reasoning:
1: This is the second car/pedestrian accident at this intersection
2: In both instances sun glare was a factor
3: Near a park heavily used by children
4: Near a bus stop used by kids going to school
Having not pursued such an issue in the past, open to suggestions of the best way to do so. City council meeting? Speak to the traffic division? Petition?