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2 young Livermore teens injured after running into traffic

Original post made on Aug 25, 2011

Two separate car-versus-pedestrian collisions on Wednesday involved young teenagers running into traffic in Livermore, Livermore police

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Comments (22)

Posted by Don, a resident of Walnut Grove Elementary School
on Aug 25, 2011 at 9:33 am

As a school crossing guard I see things that never cease to amaze me. I see parents stop their cars in a lane of traffic and the doors fly open and they let their children out, so that they do not go out of their way. They could easily get rear ended or worse. It seems there are parents who are in such a hurry to get to work they are putting the safety of their kids and others in danger. The school district has arranged for crossing guards in many places and by all means use their services. Wait until you see the crosswalk is clear before proceeding through.

Posted by resident, a resident of Downtown
on Aug 25, 2011 at 9:57 am

The process of natural selection will eventually weed out the truly stupid of these people. If you really want to get fed up with idiot jaywalkers watch the crowds crossing First St for the Friday concerts. Mommie and daddie holding coolers and chairs with toddlers running along behind -- right through the traffic. Too freaking stupid to go to the corner and use the crosswalk. Daddie dearest, there is a hood ornament on an SUV just waiting to impale you. Like I said, natural selection.

Posted by Dead Right, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 25, 2011 at 10:34 am

I've observed even younger adults of today actually believes the world will stop for them. Young parents in parking lots walk behind cars with the assumption they are visible...they are not, no matter how slow, if you have a BUS on each side, by the time my head gets to the BUS bumpers, my car is pretty well filling the thrufair. 26 yr wandering while texting, or a 6 yr old running ahead of Mom INSTEAD of at her hand, it's NOT the fault of the driver creeping out from the BUS on each side...who are ON or OVER MY line..better I should scrape their paint apparently...I'll remember that next time.
MOM learn to PARK your bus, and teach your kids personal safety.
Young children are taught to be arrogant, that they have the "right' of way. True, but that also includes be 'dead right'....little consolation for the parents who failed to teach personal's a basic survival skill, and the duty of parents to teach,,,look all ways, focus on the task of stepping off a curb, walking behind a car in a parking lot, etc. etc.
It's as important as teaching kids to not drink bleach, don't jump off roof, don't play with matches.,

Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Aug 25, 2011 at 1:48 pm

Kids need to be reminded regularly about the risks that surround us.

Most are not necessarily being oppositional. Kids are impulsive and don't always exhibit the best judgement. Keep reminding them of the risks of careless behavior.

They get it but it takes repetition...over and over and over...

never hit kids...

Posted by Dan, a resident of Ironwood
on Aug 25, 2011 at 3:04 pm

Let us remind all pedestrians and drivers-even though pedestrians have the right of way in crosswalks AND when crossing the street at an unmarked crosswalk, please don't just jump into the street to cross-Stop first and if possible make eye contact with the drivers. Proceed when it is safe-As for the wood street incident-the driver was not at fault-the kid literary ran into the path of her car.

Posted by annonymous, a resident of Amador Estates
on Aug 25, 2011 at 4:57 pm

I gotta agree with 'resident'. I see these dumb adults walking in the street on West Las Positas all the time when there is a perfectly nice sidewalk for them. I think when ever a pedestrian is run over by a car (with the acception of crossing within a crosswalk and/or with a light), the pedestrian should be legally liable to the driver of the car for physical and mental damages. No sympathy here for pedestrians (ok, maybe a little for young kids because their brains aren't fully developed).

Posted by parent, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 25, 2011 at 5:21 pm

It is so important to teach kids to be aware and careful when around cars! You cannot just blame the drivers.

As for parents who let their kids jump out -- that usually happens when the traffic is at a dead stop, nothing is moving, and the kid needs to jump out in order to get to school on time. Oftentimes the penalty for following the "proper" drive-through lanes (Hearst is probably the worst....) can be over 20 minutes. If you are dropping off at more than one school, or need to get to work at a reasonable hour (not because you are selfish and don't care about your kids, but because you actually need to pay the bills and can't really roll in to work at 9:30), you simply don't have 20+ minutes to wait in a long line. So parents do get creative and drop off at the curb while the traffic is stopped. The solution is not to vilify the parents who do this but to do something about the crazy traffic patterns that make it impossible to drop off the kids in a reasonable time frame (and oftentimes there are 'no parking' zones all around the school as well, preventing parents from parking and walking the kids in to the school).

Posted by Sarah, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 25, 2011 at 10:20 pm

Parent, you need to bring your concerns about the poor traffic situation to the attention of the school administration, the PTA, the school district, the mayor's office and the city council. If the situation is really so awful, something should be done about it. Perhaps the "no parking" signs can except the half-hour before and half-hour after school, so parents can walk in and pick up/drop off their kids. I often did this when I had a child at Alisal.

Posted by resident, a resident of Downtown
on Aug 26, 2011 at 9:17 am

How about this for an idea -- walk to school instead of driving! I doubt that many students live more than a few blocks from their school but mommie or daddie is too busy/tired/lazy to walk them to school and chooses to drive them instead. Schools should charge a drop fee for every parent who drives onto the property, that might encourage them to start walking.
We aren't talking about walking in snow, sleet and hail for three miles each way. Come on Pleasanton parents, get off the couch and get a little exercize. It's not going to kill you.

Posted by Mike, a resident of Highland Oaks
on Aug 26, 2011 at 5:25 pm

Right. Why aren't more kids walking or riding their velos?

Cars not only cause congestion, but the cumulative effect of all that exhaust concentrated in a limited area can't be healthy for the little ones or anyone living in the immediate area.

I also wonder what effect fewer car deliveries would have on the average BMI of the population.

Posted by Gloria, a resident of Rosewood
on Aug 26, 2011 at 5:35 pm

I drive an Escalade and what really bothers me is that there are cars so tiny I can't see them.

Posted by Mike, a resident of Highland Oaks
on Aug 26, 2011 at 6:18 pm


As we are all responsible for the safe operation of the vehicle we drive, may I suggest a smaller, more easily managed car?


Posted by Gloria, a resident of Rosewood
on Aug 26, 2011 at 6:52 pm

Mostly my husband's idea. He likes big cars because of their safety records. That's why he drives a HumVee. He wanted something safe and roomy enough for me and my daughter, and I wanted something with high prestige value. I'm only 4'10" and so it can be a challenge when looking over the dash. But I love Cadillacs. I think it would make more sense if everyone just got a bigger car. Then we could all see each other. :-)

Posted by Mike, a resident of Highland Oaks
on Aug 26, 2011 at 7:41 pm

Thanks, Gloria, that was worth the wait!

I often wonder why it is we Californians are so attached to megacars for our trips to the mall.

Posted by Jenny, a resident of Jensen Tract
on Aug 26, 2011 at 8:00 pm

"I often wonder why it is we Californians are so attached to megacars for our trips to the mall."

Is there any other way to live?

Posted by J Sebastian, a resident of Castlewood Heights
on Aug 27, 2011 at 10:17 am

Gloria, why does a 100 pound delicate flower such as yourself need a 6000 pound giant SUV? You are barely tall enough to see over the Lancome counter at Nordies, dear.

The VW Beetle would be a most excellent choice for a woman of your stature, discerning taste and obvious good breeding.

I know it sounds unconventionally shocking, but hear me out; The Beetle is a German brand, which smacks of racial superiority and pragmatism, while being a product of the largest car company in the world, which demonstrates your unwavering support of the Proletariat, and it is made in Mexico, which hints at your sympathies for the descendants of the victims of the oppression and subjugation of the Spanish Conquistadors.

I doubt you will much miss the exaltation of looking down on the huddled masses from your lofty Escaladian perch, when you are finally amidst the throng of humanity and able to look directly into the cabin, and eyes, of your fellow motorists.

Get thee down to a VW dealer. There is such a merchant nearby, but one of your station should not be asked to risk the low lands of Dublin. In San Francisco, there is a purveyor of fine autos, one Royal Motor Sales of Van Ness, that caters to persons of prestige and should be quite suitable for your needs.

Posted by Tango, a resident of Vineyard Avenue
on Aug 27, 2011 at 12:09 pm

I understand from talking to other Livermore teenagers that this is the new game in town. We used to call it Chicken. I'm not to sure what they call it now. But a good name would be Stupidity. They don't realize the impact of what they are doing can have on both their lives and the lives of others. The drivers are not expecting someone to run in front of them with only seconds to spare. We all know that even at 5 mph a car can still take a few feet to stop.

Posted by Gloria, a resident of Rosewood
on Aug 27, 2011 at 12:54 pm

J. Sebastian,

My husband and me discussed getting a German car. But not the VW Beetle. It's too small and tends only to be driven by teenage girls and gay guys. Were we to go in that foreigner direction, we'd have selected either the Mercedes G5 Supervan or the Mercedes Sprinter Cargo Van. Like you I like the feelings of superiority that comes with owning a German car, and is always a reminder of the big role of VW in WWII.

But we decided on the Escalade because it's American made. Superior craftsmanship in every respect. Call me vain, but I like it when other people look up to me in envy when they see me rushing past them in the school parking lot. I just LIVE for my daughter's pick-up and drop-off at school where I can show off a little bit the car's power to accelerate and its maneuverability in traffic.

I'm short, only 4 foot ten inches, but my husband is short too. Living in a society that discriminates against short people, the Escalade is perfect if you want to offset that. When my husband drives our HumVee, I think of him not as small but very big, if you know what I mean. Both the Escalade and the HumVee are very sexy cars! :-)

Posted by Disgusted, a resident of another community
on Aug 29, 2011 at 12:54 pm


Are you being serious? How did we get from a general safety alert article to you telling us about your husbands "little man" complex. I suppose you will then go on to digress about how he compensates in other ways too!

You want to show off the cars power and maneuverability and yet you admit that you can hardly see over the hood. I was once hit by an elderly man in a brand new car who admitted he could not see out of his rear window as he was now getting too short.

I am glad that you and your husband make enough money to pay for these expensive least I hope you are paying for them...however most of the rest of us are living in a world where we are concerned about the recession & the cost on our environment as these huge gas guzzling carbon spewing machines are used to drive our children 3-4 blocks to school.

So you "just LIVE" for school drop off and pick up times huh? It sounds like you have a lot of free time. I suppose it would be beneath you to drive that big vehicle to the local food bank and donate some much need items utilizing the large cargo area. There are many places where you could volunteer and expand your life beyond living to simply drop off and pick up your child.

At least you feel good about yourself, and after all, that is all that matters, right? No wonder the children in this generation feel confident enough to dart out in front of traffic, the world and everyone should stop for them because that is what they are taught by their parents. By the way, how much time does it take for that Escalade or HumVee to stop? I hope there is not a life changing tragedy in your future and I that you are well insured.

Posted by Gloria, a resident of Rosewood
on Aug 29, 2011 at 3:05 pm

Dear Disgusted,

I usually sit on a seat cushion to make me sit higher in my seat. Yes, my husband and I saved our money to buy big cars. Isn't that the American dream?

Charity begins at home. And I've taught my daughter to move out of the way of cars that are bigger than her. All cars are bigger than her. And bigger than me too. I hope you tell you're chldren to stay out of the way of me. And others too.

If my car wasn't safe they wouldn't have sold it to us. Its just a much the responsability of chldren to move out of my way than it is for me to stop. I've had a few fender benders, but only one in the school dropoff zone. And I've never hit anyone with my Escalade.

Disgusted, you should smile and be happy. I like my car and I paid a lot for the pleasure. :-)

Posted by Disgusted, a resident of another community
on Aug 29, 2011 at 7:19 pm

WOW!!! Pretty scary Gloria. Why don't you perform a community service and post the color and year of your Escalade so the whole community can watch out for you. I guess you really don't know how long it takes for you to stop since you have had a few fender benders in that monster, but only one in the school drop off zone, we should congratulate you. I wonder what your insurance rates are??!!!!

You believe that the car is safe for you to drive because a commission driven salesman sold it to you? What planet are you from? A car salesman would sell a $75K car to a blind and deaf person if he would get his bonus and I don't mean is insult the disabled community by that statement! Their job is not too weed out those who cannot make good choices for themselves!

It is your attitude that is so disgusting! I think you are a Troll and making this whole thing up!

Posted by Gloria, a resident of Rosewood
on Aug 29, 2011 at 7:55 pm

Dear Disgusted,

I'm beginning to feel like your beating me up. :-( Since you asked, my insurance rates are high. But thankfully we can afford it. That's the reward for working hard. If you hit someone you can depend on insurance to pay for it.

My car dealer is a very kind man. He wouldn't have sold me a lemon. Cadillacs have very good reputation. We paid a lot of money for my Escalade.

My attitude is always to be happy and positive. Even when bad things happen, theres sometimes a silver lining.

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