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JOB TALK .. too little, too late,.. OK if it works

Original post made by Mainstream middle-class jobless, Another Pleasanton neighborhood, on Aug 2, 2011

Inauguration day is always January 20. Obama was sworn in in 2009. Finally, for debt ceiling, political distraction, Obama 'started talking' about jobs last week ! He's only 2 1/2 years late. But, let us not forget, for the first year and half it was 'health care bill' 24/7....sticking to his campaign agenda, regardless of what was happening..out here !! Even tho we, nor Congress were allowed to read the HC bill.....but the president's focus was that bill. He helped 'underclass' programs which provides no taxes, but he never thought about the average middle-class taxpayers, who normally feed the government tax coffers ! Any job attention was limited to 'green jobs', PUBLIC union jobs, and GM jobs ...period..while the rest of the nation was slipping out of sight.
Much of the housing problem this last year wouldn't have existed or could have been fixed....with JOBS. NO house, no matter how cheap can be bought without a job. Purchase requirements are now tougher than ever. JOBs create demand and create BUYERS.....consumers ! ! No clever costly programs are needed when there are JOBS. Jobs solve the problems. Why didn't he know that THEN ??? I fear his recent conversation conversion is too little, too late. I must say it was welcome talk, rather than his 'scare tactics' about the debt ceiling procedure. It was Obama, as a Dem said on Sunday news shows, who started the usual dirty trick of scaring elderly. Social security could have been paid, regardless. That's a usual Dem campaign trick...scare the elderly with...'false' statements.
Attention to jobs was needed in 2009 and 1010...the damage has been done. Now we have slipped so far it is hard to race full speed, from a standstill.
Thankfully, finally, the president is now going to talk about jobs.
CA is like a world economy. We make up about one-third of the US economy. The nation thinks it's suffering from 9.2% UNemployment...when, in fact this nation of CAlifornia has been 11.5% UNemployed for months ! ! CA is a Democrat stronghold. Why is it OK to tolerate 11.5 UNemployment here. If they want to use CA as a piggybank for campaigning, we ought to have a little truth in national news ....11.5 would be accurate. Small 150 employee manufacturers of widgets have been allowed to disappear.
Obama's position improved last week, when he stopped scaring the elderly and 'started talking' about jobs. May we now stay 'focused' on JOBS, JOBS, JOBS, the medicine for what ails US.

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Posted by Indpendant Voter
a resident of Canyon Creek
on Aug 2, 2011 at 4:15 pm

And you might think I'm just a maalcontent crybaby, incompetnet and lazy and found of casting blame on others, but I'm actually a very smart guy. We need to support our rich heroes who have the jobs to give me. I mean, us. Give us.


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Posted by Reducing the sauce
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 2, 2011 at 5:01 pm

11.5% is an understatement regarding unemployment. Most of the unemployment/underemployment is in the private sector. Unions, especially public sector unions, were rewarded with the bulk of the 800 billion dollar Obama/Biden stimulus package. Most of that money went to help prop up already inflated wages for a class of employees that had experienced little, if any, financial hardship as a result of the great recession. The teachers union banked the money instead of saving Jobs and programs.

We would have been better served to allow the public employee compensation levels to naturally correct, as much as that can happen in the world of public union influence, as opposed to throwing more money at one of our problems - big & bloated government. IMO, the Obama/Biden stimulus is a big part of the problem. I have a difficult time accepting that all has been done regarding the debt ceiling when we continue to fund things that don't need funding.

On that note, I keep hearing about "what can we possibly cut? Should we cut medicare, SSI, etc...Maybe we could start by decreasing compensation back to 2003 levels. They (politicians) only want to frame the conversation in terms of you can't cut this, or you can't cut that. Employee compensation at every level of government has been increasing at OVER twice the rate of the private sector for over a decade. Let's start there.


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Posted by Leland
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Aug 2, 2011 at 6:31 pm

I know, 11.5% is a real shame, though it's been good for many of my companies. I think going after teachers' unions is a good place to start. There and public sector nurses. Frankly, I don't care whose bread is taken off the table, I don't want to pay a penny more on my Daddy's inheritance and the companies I'm now responsible for. Thank God for the Bush tax cuts for the rich, that's all I have to say. Did you notice that spike in jobs growth after the cuts took effect?

Thanks for your support Reducing the Sauce. Remind me so that I can tip you an extra buck before I leave the bar.


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Posted by not good for me
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 2, 2011 at 6:42 pm

"Posted by Leland...I know, 11.5% is a real shame, though it's been good for many of my companies"

Good for you.


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Posted by hummm
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 2, 2011 at 7:57 pm

The only problem with "Obama made it all happen" talk, is that people don't take into account the last 30 years of the attitude that got us in this mess. We are a materialistic society, we live for instant gratification, and we're spoiled. So, we want to blame the last thing that walked through the door. In this case it's Obama. Exuberant greed has been going a long time and its still going on.

As an example our current stupidity, check out the valuation for Groupon. The company is looking to raise close to $1 billion, which would value it at about $20 billion. It recorded a loss of $413.4 million last year, and lost another $113.9 million in the first quarter. Ding! Dong!

Anyway, the loss of jobs is more directly to this idiotic view of wealth accumulation feeding off the dummies that buy it. It doesn't matter who's president.




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Posted by Bob
a resident of Happy Valley
on Aug 3, 2011 at 12:36 am

Yeah, but Obama is a democrat. And he's black.


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Posted by Patriot
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 3, 2011 at 8:24 am

"Much of the housing problem this last year wouldn't have existed or could have been fixed....with JOBS"

Not by a long shot. Interest only, and negative amortization loans and too many people buying homes that they could never afford in the first place is what is still holding back the housing market. It will take many more years to work through this.


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Posted by steve
a resident of Parkside
on Aug 3, 2011 at 8:30 am

Brilliant observation, Bob. You and obama have something else in common, too.....an ability to divert attention from huge problems. The old smoke and mirrors trick that obscures some people's vision from growing problems impacting all of us. Tell us, do you alos have a teleprompter at home? Did anyone show you how to use it yet?


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Posted by Charlette
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 3, 2011 at 8:37 am

@"Not by a long shot. Interest only, and negative amortization loans and too many people buying homes that they could never afford in the first place is what is still holding back the housing market. It will take many more years to work through this."

Quite a mouthful without ever mentioning banks and hedge fund managers making out like bandits. Alas, but maybe that's the way it's supposed to be. I've got an idea, let's blame the little guy who bought on the banker-implanted belief that the accelerating value of a future home would more than offset an inability to make balloon mortgage payments down the road. And lest we forget all the talk about the Dow soon likely to break 20, 30 thousand....


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Posted by steve
a resident of Parkside
on Aug 3, 2011 at 9:26 am

While you're at it, Charlotte, let's not forget the likes of Barney Fwank and his wascally Dem buddies who promoted programs to sell homes to unqualified people. Those of his ilk felt that home ownership was a right, not a priviledge to be earned. They forced/coerced banks into loosening lending standards to the point that any schmoe on the street could move in. The foreclosure situation is a direct result of these questionable practices.


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Posted by Charlette
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 3, 2011 at 10:12 am

Since you so delicately raise the issue, I too think that housing should be a right. I think some countries over in Europe have begun to acknowledge this. But I guess some of us feel good about people being destitute and homeless. Weak egos maybe -- always need to have someone to kick down at?


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Posted by Mainstream middle-class jobless
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 3, 2011 at 3:27 pm

Charlette, it STARTED with those who lied and could not afford the house day one....plenty others were bad in steps 2, 3, and 4.
The US is the wonder of the world, and the land of opportunity. Here, 'Individuals' are free to make 'choices' to study, to work hard, and to chart their course. We are admired by the world for people who start with nothing and become successfull. Oprah, a chubby, raped black female...winds up the richest woman in the country. Good for her for having a spine and being a hard worker. Some others get side-tracked with bad choices, like drugs and babies they can't feed, etc. etc. then they are given government help, but again some choose to rise above and some don't. Many have had decades of help.
Now, those who have worked for 30-40 years, and PAID taxes for 30-40years to help others, have never received a cup of coffee from the government. They get nothing and won't be paying taxes any time soon to help those who never helped themselves in the first place.
OK Charlette, shelter is a right and we have homeless shelters. Nobody, ever, is entitled to a free house. We are lucky individuals have the right to own a home....not like the communist countries where the 'government' owned your home....with restrictions.
Freedom is better, for those who are smart enough to recognize how lucky we are!...there are other places, if they don't.


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Posted by Charlette
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 3, 2011 at 6:47 pm

Mr. Mainsteam Middle Class obviously has never spent time in a homeless shelter. For if he had he'd realize why the overwhelming number of destitute homeless avoid them like the plague.

He says no one has the right to free housing, ever. He gives no reason why. Blind belief? Likely.

Typical of whiners who criticize the state, he claims the state has never given him a free cup of coffee. Guess he forgot about the public libraries he's perhaps never used, the interstate highway system, food regulation, air pollution, fed air traffic control, unemployment compensation, public schools and universities, health care. He's obviously living in churlish denial of how we have evolved as a society. I believe it is a right for my children to have uncontaminated meat that I buy at the grocer's; the right to enter any library and use their resources; the right to attend public school; the right to play with toys not thoroughly contaminated with harmful chemicals. Whiner Mr. Middle Class likes to refer to himself as smart, but he's too dumb to recognize how the state has contributed mightily to the quality of the society he lives in. Think about it, whiner. A right to a home is not all that far removed from a right to vote, or use a library, or receive adequate health care.

I just realized I asked the smart unemployed whiner to think. OMG!


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Posted by Leland
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Aug 3, 2011 at 7:20 pm

Tell you what. I've never been unemployed because I inherited a several hundred million bundle from my Daddy. But if I were unemployed, instead of complaining about how the state doesn't do anything for me, I'd be devoting every minute of every day making sure my public relations staff members and accountants were doing their utmost to find me a job that fit my qualifications.


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Posted by Mainstream middle-class jobless
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 3, 2011 at 9:35 pm

Charlette and Leland, you spin such tales. I was stating facts. I certainly don't ever want a cup of coffe from the government, and being in a free society if I ever want to buy somebody a cup of coffee I am free to do so. However, the government should not confiscate my earnings to buy for selected individuals. Government should not pick favorites.
The only government army should be the US Army,k our founders intended that our government become the Salvation Army ! ! !
And, to repeat my point you avoided, our government's role is NOT to provide a house for any 'special' individual. Charities, comprised of 'voluntary contributions' may provde as much as they wish for any 'targeted' people, but not our government which should not pick and choose favorites.


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Posted by Obama
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 3, 2011 at 9:41 pm

has got to go and has made us the joke of the world. How could we elect someone so lacking in anything except the ability to speak from a teleprompter. I guess the Germans were asking themselves the same thing in 1945 after their country had been destroyed.


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Posted by Charlette
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 3, 2011 at 9:50 pm

It seems to me that Mr. Middle Class isn't very well educated. He makes blanket assertions, gets called on them, then falls back on platitudinous references to the founding fathers, most of whom owned slaves. Guess Mr. Middle Class would argue that the fed govt's role in abolishing slavery was 'playing favorites'.

Well, that kind of 'playing favorites' I think is a good idea, especially since we're over two centuries removed from Mr. Unemployed Petulant Middle Class's deified wealthy white male slave owners world.

So too giving women the right to vote, and blacks the right to vote. This kind of 'playing favorites' is something Mr. Middle Class can't condone. Well, I do. I also condone my govt giving children of all classes the right to a safe and secure home to grow up in. Founding Fathers probably wouldn't agree with me, though had they the opportunity to see how our idea of a person has changed over the centuries, they might be inclinded to give an inch or two.

As for Mr. Middle Class, well, he doesn't have much going for him, sadly. I wonder if he'd care to elaborate on how the idea of a person has evolved over the past two centuries. (Can't wait to hear that one!)


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Posted by Democratic
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 3, 2011 at 10:42 pm

"Obama" provides yet another intelligent perspective from the right. This is why Obama will waltz easily into a second term; there are simply too few idjits out there who embrace the uneducated claptrap that now exists as standard fare of the GOP.

Depending on the level of idiocy, we are asked to accept the idea either of (1) Obama as tyrannical liberty-stealing socialist who is attempting to steal everyone's first-born - this as indicated by higher taxes having been placed on tanning salons or (2) Obama as incompetent bumbler who couldn't attempt to steal anything that isn't tied securely to a teleprompter (unless you consider getting Osama bin Laden something, but no, let's forget about that).

In 2008 the people rose up and soundly defeated the right-wing hate message that was implicitly endorsed by McCain and explicitly albeit clumsily embraced by Palen. 2010 amounted to an unfortunate though by historical standards predictable lapse of attention by a public exhausted by getting a black man into office two years previous.

2012 will be a repeat of 2008. We've moved beyond naive and hate-filled crackers referring to that 'boy' in the white house. And besides, our place in a newly drawn out representational district will guarantee that all Ptown's racist sleezeballs will have no outlet for their hate. What a shame. History moves forward.


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Posted by Patronius
a resident of Carriage Gardens
on Aug 4, 2011 at 2:26 am

It seems Mainstream JObless has disappeared from his own site. No doubt trying to find a wikipedia entry for "person." Good one, Charlette.


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Posted by steve
a resident of Parkside
on Aug 4, 2011 at 8:46 am

Charlette, you obviously have mistaken the founding fathers for Karl Marx. Home ownership is a priviledge, not a right, just like obtaining a driver's license (unless you're an illegal driving to work to tend your pot farm).
I'm not sure where you came up with your utopian philosophies (Berserkely?), but unless you're talking about internment camps, there's not such thing a govt provided shelter (OK, maybe section 8 housing, which is an adject failure).
You sure are one bitter leftist, but then many of your ilk are not happy and certainly humorless. What a pathetic existence you must have. Please seek help from a govt sponsored counselor to ward off your dilusions. Good luck to you and your fellow inmates at the asylum.


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Posted by Charlette
a resident of Downtown
on Aug 4, 2011 at 9:22 am

Oh, the apparent shortfalls of never having read a book. Poor Steve thinks Marx was a slave owner in the 18th century. Like the disappearing Mr. Mainstream Jobless, poor Steve says the world must be as he says it is because he says it is. My reference was to human rights, poor Steve, not internment camps. It shouldn't take a degree from Berkeley to recognize the distinction. But poor Steve, who brags about not being a reader, consistently pays the price with laughably confused positions that get ridiculed by all while he is left casting stones at anyone who has read a book. Represents the 'Hick' in Hickville.


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Posted by Patriot
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 4, 2011 at 9:26 am

"Charlette, you obviously have mistaken the founding fathers for Karl Marx."

Steve, you do understand that many of the people we consider to be founding fathers of America were slave owners and didn't consider their slaves people.

"there's not such thing a govt provided shelter"

You have heard of government housing projects, and housing assistance and other programs like that, right? I can assure you that there are such things.

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Posted by steve
a resident of Parkside
on Aug 4, 2011 at 10:05 am

You self appointed geniuses, who apparently only have read the Communist Manifesto, totally ignore charlotte, the socialist's previous claim that housing should be a right.
I'm sure all you well-meaning, well read, yet pointedly abrasive trolls can follow the posts from top to bottom without losing your train of thought. But, then maybe I'm giving you too much credit.

And Patriot, I mentioned section 8 housing in my post--I thought you guys could read---I'm also hoping you can read between the lines right now. Adios, muchachas


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Posted by I've Read Marx
a resident of Bonde Ranch
on Aug 4, 2011 at 10:16 am

I'd love to hear the genius Steve tell everyone why housing should not be a basic human right. Several times he says it shouldn't be, along the lines of 'women shouldn't be able to vote'.

I'd also love to hear Steve illuminate us as to where in the Communist Manifesto Marx refers to housing as a basic right. And while he's at it, I'd love to hear Steve make the argument that an embrace of universal human rights is somehow Marxist in nature.


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